This episode is about Avoidant Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (ARFID) in IBS, highlighting its prevalence and overlap with functional gut disorders for Eating Disorder Awareness week.
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Would you like to try and eat
more foods, but your fear of the
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:digestive consequences of vomiting
or choking or just bloating is
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:so strong you cannot try them?
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:Maybe you are Are you scared to eat
new foods or foods that you haven't
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:prepared yourself in your own home?
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:It could be that you've got sensory
issues with texture, taste or
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:smells, just finding certain foods
overwhelming and maybe even disgusting.
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:In this episode of the Inside
Knowledge podcast, I'm talking
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:about ARFID, Avoidant Restrictive
Feeding Intake Disorder, in IBS.
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:You'll learn how to identify signs
that you could benefit from some
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:extra help with managing this type
of eating and what you can do next.
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:Welcome to episode 43 of the
Inside Knowledge podcast.
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:I'm Anna Mapson.
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:Today I'm talking about ARFID.
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:It's Avoidant Restrictive
Feeding Intake Disorder in IBS.
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:This week is Eating
Disorder Awareness Week.
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:So I thought I would focus on ARFID
in IBS because it's probably It's one
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:of the least known types of eating
disorders and there is a big overlap in
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:functional gut disorders and IBS and these
kind of restrictive eating practices.
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:In fact, people with IBS are twice as
likely to have ARFID as people who don't.
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:I'm going to talk a little bit about what
it is, what it would look like, and then
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:a little bit about what you could do next.
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:Most people with IBS and almost everyone
I work with Has had some sort of dietary
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:Recommendation maybe from another
nutritionist a doctor or just on dr.
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:Google and Commonly avoiding food groups
like dairy, maybe they've gone low carb,
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:maybe you've gone on a low histamine
diet, you've tried the low FODMAP diet,
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:like, it's a really normal reaction to
try to modify your diet because you've
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:got digestive symptoms, because, after
all, the digestive system is dealing with
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:the food that you eat, so surely it would
make sense to modify what you're eating.
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:In some ways, That makes complete sense.
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:But we also know that IBS is a
disorder of the gut brain connection.
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:And it's not only about food.
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:And there are other things that
influence the way in which we digest.
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:Most people report some
sort of issues after eating.
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:So they notice a change.
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:Maybe you get more bloated
after eating certain foods.
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:Or that you get pain three hours
after eating a certain meal.
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:This is really common, also to
notice it, to monitor it, and
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:to find these associations.
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:So it seems natural to want to cut
more and more foods out of our diet
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:in order to manage those symptoms.
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:What is not so clear, I suppose,
is at what point do these efforts
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:to keep your digestive symptoms
in check become disordered.
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:At what point is it not okay
to keep going with them?
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:So that's what I'm going
to explore a little bit.
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:I just wanted to be really clear
up front that although I said
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:at the beginning of this episode
that ARFID is an eating disorder.
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:and it is classified as such.
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:People who have ARFID aren't necessarily
focused on their body size . It's not
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:about trying to lose weight, where
you are focused on eating less food in
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:order to change the shape of your body.
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:Of course, not everyone who has IBS
and is on a restrictive diet has ARFID.
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:This is a particular set of symptoms
and there is a classification for ARFID.
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:They use something called the DSM, which
is the way they classify mental health
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:conditions and eating disorders, have
their own categorization within that.
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:And ARFID is defined by an eating or
feeding disturbance as manifested by a
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:persistent failure to meet appropriate
nutrition and or energy needs
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:associated with significant weight loss,
significant nutritional deficiency, a
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:dependence on feeding tubes or a marked
interference in psychosocial functioning.
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:So whilst in this episode I am talking
about people who have very restrictive
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:IBS diet, and particularly how
ARFID affects people who've got IBS.
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:That is the way that they classify
the eating disorder, and that is
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:how people get diagnosed with ARFID.
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:It's important that if you feel
like this is something that affects
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:you, you do go and see a doctor.
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:It does need a doctor to diagnose,
and a particular specialist,
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:psychiatrist, or eating disorder.
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:medical practitioner.
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:So just up front, be really clear.
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:It's not just about being a bit picky.
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:It's not about, oh, you don't like certain
vegetables because of their texture.
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:It's about where the restrictions that
you have that are around the fear of
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:eating or the fear of the consequences
of eating, have led to weight loss or
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:have led to a Nutrition Deficiency,
like it's affecting your body or
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:that it is affecting your life, as
in it's affecting your interactions
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:with others, relationships and so on.
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:It's about the consequences of eating.
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:and the feeling you get when you eat.
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:There is, of course, though, a difference
between picky eating, like fussy eating.
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:This is where It's hard to draw the
line, and some people, it can be
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:quite complicated to work out where
the border is between disordered
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:eating and an eating disorder.
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:But, the way ARFID is broken down
is more about sensitivity, so like
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:a sensory sensitivity to food.
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:Maybe you struggle with a
really strong flavours, taste.
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:It could be a lot about texture.
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:Other people with ARFID might
just have no interest in eating.
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:You have a very low appetite and
you're just not interested in food.
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:There's no desire to eat.
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:But the most common type of reaction that
I see is people who are afraid of what
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:the digestive consequences are of eating.
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:So, like I said, every time you eat
you feel bloated or every time you eat
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:I don't know, apples, you, you have
really bad gas, whatever, that's going
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:to stop you wanting to do it again.
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:This is much more the common kind of issue
that I see with my clients is people who
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:just don't want to eat certain foods or
don't want to eat anything new because
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:of the worry of what it could do to you.
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:You might worry about choking or vomiting
and fear of vomiting is quite common.
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:And if you eat foods that make you feel
sick, give you nausea, then doesn't
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:mean you're actually going to vomit,
but then you're going to avoid those
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:foods because you don't want that
sensation because it drives your fear.
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:And this is partly down to how we learn.
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:Pain is a danger signal that
tells our body something is wrong.
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:We therefore tend to get fear of
those conditions that create pain.
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:Oh, I was thinking about how to try
and explain this and I was thinking
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:if you were trying to fix, I don't
know, a bit of equipment in your
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:home and last time you did it, you
trapped your fingers and it really
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:the next time you go to repair that.
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:door or whatever it is, you're going to
be really cautious and you're going to be
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:quite fearful of doing the work because
you're worried about trapping your finger
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:again, because it really hurt last time.
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:So this time you're not going to do it.
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:Maybe you're going to ask someone else to
do it for you, you're going to get someone
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:in, you don't want to get that pain, and
so you're avoiding the situation where
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:the pain might come, but what it's not
doing is teaching you how to do that job.
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:And so actually you are avoiding it.
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:And by avoiding it, you're creating
a whole load of situations, more and
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:more experiences as you go through your
life with the same digestive symptoms.
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:They're not going away and yet you're
adding more and more situations
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:that you just can't do, places you
can't go, and all of these sort of
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:maintenance behaviours are in place to
avoid feeling that horrible feeling.
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:So to translate it into sort of digestive
symptoms, maybe you felt really full and
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:uncomfortable after a meal and you want
to avoid that feeling in the future.
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:So you start only eating half your
dinner and you try not to get too full
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:because you had a horrible experience,
feeling really stuffed, really bloated,
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:maybe quite distended and gassy.
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:So then, because you're only getting
to the point of eating half a meal and
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:you're afraid to have a full stomach,
it's negatively reinforcing this cycle.
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:The problem is as well that you get the
opposite of that, so that is hunger.
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:The opposite is feeling hungry is the
safe feeling, because you're less likely
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:to get the bloating and the pain and
the gas and those feelings, or maybe
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:the urgent diarrhea, whatever it is.
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:I had a client a few years ago who
just Realized through working with me.
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:I am afraid to have a full tummy and
she'd worked that out when I was trying
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:to push her to eat more and more.
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:I think she was on a low FODMAP
diet, but she was worried about
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:having a full stomach, even of it.
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:the foods which she knew would be okay.
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:So when we know that hunger is the
opposite of the bad feeling and we
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:feel like hunger is the safe place to
be, it's hard to move out of hunger
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:and that gets you trapped in this
cycle where you don't want to eat.
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:You can then get into this cycle
where you are getting fear of
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:normal digestive symptoms as well.
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:So you're getting a normal amount
of gas, a normal amount of gurgling,
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:maybe some bloating, or just feeling
of general fullness that's not
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:starved, but you're just full enough.
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:But That sensation in your
mind is associated with
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:really negative consequences.
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:And so normal digestive feelings can
feel danger, can feel very scary.
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:And therefore, when you're feeling
scared, you can actually then
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:affect your digestion even further.
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:If you go back and listen to episode 4
as well, where I talk about the gut brain
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:connection, I talk about how when you're
feeling scared, stressed and anxious.
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:Then your blood supply is not
majoring on your digestive system.
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:It is flowing to your muscles, to your
brain and putting you on high alert.
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:And if you're in constant state of
stress and anxiety and worry and
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:feeling very tense, that is not
optimal for your digestive system.
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:You have lower, output of
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:stomach acid lower digestive enzymes,
which means you're not going to break
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:down your food as effectively and
therefore It's almost gonna cause
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:more gas So learning how to feel calm
when you eat is also very important.
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:A small sensation in your stomach does
not necessarily predicate a massive
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:flare up, and that's what you need
to start to learn to deal with, is
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:like how to tolerate normal bodily
sensations, and not go into that sort
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:of real distressed, cycle and mindset.
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:So that's one way that the fear
of eating actually causes you
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:to not digest your food as well.
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:But also there's research that shows
that people who have ARFID, are only
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:consuming up to like 60 or 70 percent
of the amount of fruits and only 50
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:percent of the amount of vegetables that
a group of healthy controls were eating.
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:So this extreme food avoidance can
also lead to problems with not eating
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:enough food which can slow down gastric
motility, so slowing down the speed
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:with which food goes through your body.
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:which can increase bloating, constipation,
and digestive distress symptoms.
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:There's also a big link of
anxiety between People who have
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:IBS and people who have ARFID.
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:So there's the anxiety and sometimes
disgust around food that contribute
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:to avoiding food in people with ARFID.
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:And that kind of heightened sensitivity
to food, texture, taste, may be linked
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:to the visceral hypersensitivity.
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:That people have in IBS.
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:So we know people with IBS are
hypersensitive to small changes in the
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:gut and other people can have the same
amount of gas as you and not experience
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:the pain and the discomfort and that
sensitivity that you feel In IBS.
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:So there's a heightened nervous system.
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:It's like on overdrive, listening
out and really overreacting.
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:But that is another kind of
link between people who have
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:IBS and people who have ARFID.
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:It's that heightened sensitivity and
heightened, perception of food and what's
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:happening in your digestive system.
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:And linked to that, thinking about the
The fear, and I was talking about the
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:pain, you're, worried about pain, so
you don't do the thing that's going to
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:lead to the pain, but in IBS, it's so
unpredictable, and for a lot of people.
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:when it's not well managed, you
don't know what your triggers are,
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:you don't know what might set it
off, and therefore, Every meal
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:could be potentially quite scary.
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:Some of the questions that I ask my
clients at the beginning of working
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:together include things to find
out to what extent you're avoiding
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:things, and what might be the drivers
behind you avoiding certain foods.
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:So I ask, for example,
are you a picky eater?
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:Or do you dislike most foods that
other people seem to eat okay?
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:And one interesting question is,
is the list of foods you like and
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:that you will eat shorter than the
list of foods that you won't eat?
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:And this is quite an interesting
question to get to the bottom of
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:whether people are on a really
restrictive, small amount of food.
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:What people normally say is, I do like
these foods and I want to eat them.
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:I just can't because of the gut symptoms.
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:So those first three questions are just
about understanding like your preferences.
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:And then I ask a little
bit about, your appetite.
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:Do you have a very small appetite
compared to other people?
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:Do you ever enjoy
eating ? That kind of thing.
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:So maybe you can think about this.
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:Do you have to push yourself to
really eat a normal size meal?
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:And even when you're eating something
that you really enjoy, do you have
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:to force yourself to eat enough?
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:Or can you eat a big meal then?
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:And then the next set of questions
are really about do you put off eating
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:because you're afraid of gut symptoms
like bloating or choking or vomiting?
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:Do you just not eat?
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:Do you ever just restrict yourself to
a small subsection of foods because
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:you're trying to avoid gut symptoms?
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:Or do you only eat very small
portions, for example, because you're
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:worried about your gut symptoms?
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:The problem is with sort of trying to
screen for things like ARFID in IBS
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:is that Everybody I work with says
yes They restrict their food because
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:they're worried about gut symptoms
and that doesn't necessarily mean that
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:you've got an eating disorder It means
that you've got a severe gut issue and
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:you're taking Reasonable and moderate
steps in order to manage those symptoms.
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:So just because you think oh
actually I recognize myself
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:in some of those statements.
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:It wouldn't necessarily diagnose
you with an eating disorder.
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:However, if you feeling that
This is a problem, in that
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:food is taking over your life.
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:Food is becoming all you think about,
and you're anxious before every single
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:meal, and you can't socialize with
people, it's becoming difficult to
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:maintain relationships, and then
physically signs that You are not
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:getting enough food is obviously that
you are losing weight unintentionally.
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:If you're losing weight and you don't
want to be or maybe you are already
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:in a small body and you can't really
lose any more weight or just that
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:you don't want to be in a smaller
body size but weight is coming off
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:because of the restrictive diet.
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:This is another big sign
to go to your doctor.
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:You might have physical signs like
Your nails are very thin and brittle.
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:Your hair is dry.
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:Your skin is dry.
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:You are feeling very cold all the
time and finding it hard to get warm.
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:Your circulation is slow.
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:You could be struggling with insomnia,
so you're not sleeping well because
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:your body cannot switch off at night
because it hasn't had enough food
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:during the day or it's only had a
certain amount of food because you're
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:eating the same foods on repeat.
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:Part of the reason I wanted to cover
this topic is that people often
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:think about picky eating in children
and Oh, they'll grow out of it.
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:And adults don't seem to have
this problem with picky eating.
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:What I find is people hide it very well,
and you might be quite embarrassed about
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:the limited diet variety that you have,
and you know, logically, you know, as
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:an adult that you should be eating more.
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:But this is not about not having
the right knowledge or not
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:understanding enough about nutrition.
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:Often people are very well versed
in what they need to be doing.
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:But this fear or disgust or just total
lack of interest in food is making it
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:hard for you to actually get the food in.
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:So this is why I wanted to do
this episode just to call out to
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:people to say, it is okay to go
to your doctor about these things.
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:Is not just about kids.
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:And ideally your doctor will refer you
to the relevant mental health support,
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:because if you actually get diagnosed with
an eating disorder, which ARFID is, then
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:you should be able to access the help.
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:And I know the waiting lists are
exceedingly long, the threshold
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:for getting help is very high,
and so there isn't always
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:the right help available but it is
important to go to your doctor and try
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:and see what is available in your area.
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:The other things you can think
about are non food interventions for
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:supporting your gut because if your
digestion works better then You can
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:tolerate a little bit more food now.
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:I know it's not going to help you get
over the fear of it But if you can
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:reduce the symptoms through non food
related things You've got a better chance
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:of being in that place where you are
feeling more Open to trying new foods.
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:The things I'm talking about when I
mention non food interventions for IBS
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:include mindful eating, chewing your
food really well, sitting at a table.
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:So if you go back and listen to the
first four episodes of this podcast,
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:I go through a lot of the basics
of things that you can do that
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:don't involve changing your diet.
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:They just involve changing
how you eat, but also really
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:prioritizing self care activities.
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:So things that help you support and
nourish that gut brain connection so that
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:you feel a little bit more resilience.
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:to help you get through the challenge
of working out how to expand your diet.
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:You might also be interested in episode
22, which was all about supplements
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:for IBS and what would be worth taking.
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:So thinking about, for example, if
you've got constipation, are there some
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:things like psyllium husk, like PHGG,
that's partially hydrolyzed guar gum
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:that can help you to get things moving
without necessarily changing your food.
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:Maybe you can take magnesium to support.
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:A looser stool.
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:Psyllium husk also, by the way,
can be used in people who have
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:IBSD, like diarrhoea predominant.
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:So helping you to form a softer stool,
but also increasing some of those
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:foods within the foods that you find
safe that would contain some soluble
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:fiber helping to form a good poo.
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:Now also you can think about exercise
that also brings down the stress
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:levels, helps you release cortisol
and just kind of reset your body and
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:exercise can also help you sleep better.
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:So there are a number of
things that you can be doing.
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:Even if you feel like tackling what
food you're eating is too far off
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:where you are right now But I would
consider those questions that I have
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:placed into this episode really think
about them Are they a problem for you?
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:And then also think about what
you're prepared to do about them.
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:What resources have you got within
yourself to tackle this right now and
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:try to get some help so there are eating
disorder registered nutritionists and
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:dietitians who specialize in this who
can give you the right kind of support
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:as well as your doctor or eating disorder
trained counsellors and therapists.
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:Thanks for listening this week.
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:I'll be back next week.
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:I hope it's been helpful.
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:Thanks for getting the inside knowledge.
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:Better digestion for everyone.