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Do you ever feel stuck in self-limiting and at times even self destructive patterns, that no matter how much you try, you just continue to bang your head against the wall because they are not changing?

Patterns of;

Avoidance because you're afraid of getting judged or being criticized.

Overachiever; where you always strive to reach higher and higher goals but never really feeling a sense of self worth, or simply being good enough.

Fear of intimacy and deeper connections that don’t allow you to open up to others.


Have you ever wondered where those patterns come from?


The reasoning for these patterns otherwise known as  our “core wounding” may be found and understood through the Chiron placement.


… but what does that mean?


Join me for this week’s episode with special guest Lisa Tahir as she talks about this very topic from her latest book  “The Chiron Effect; Healing Our Core Wounds Through Astrology, Empathy, and Forgiveness”.


Meet Lisa Tahir:

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Friedemann Schaub, MD, PhD, is the award-winning author of The Fear + Anxiety Solution. Dr. Schaub has helped thousands of people with his Personal Breakthrough and Empowerment program to overcome their fear and anxiety by addressing the deeper, subconscious root causes of these emotional challenges.


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Well, welcome Lisa, thank you so much for taking the

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time to being on good real.

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Dr. Friedman, thank you so much for having me on. This is such a

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delight, knowing that you're in France. And I'm just honored to

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be here. Thank you.

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Well, I was very happy to read your book, because I always love

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reading my guests books, but this one touched me very much,

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because it is such a wonderful combination of two modalities

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that I just find fascinating. Of course, psychotherapy is

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something I do but the other one is astrology. And the

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combination of both is something I have to admit I wasn't so

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aware of until I read your book. So what is actually psycho

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astrology. This is something that you came up with, or is it

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something that exists?

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Well, it's certainly existed. I put the words together and

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trademarked psycho astrology, because like you're saying, I

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saw this really unique intersection of where our

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personal psychology intersects with our natal astrology. And

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for me that has to do with the placement of Chiron c h I r o n.

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Specifically, I am trained as a psychotherapist, and astrology

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has been kind of a newer language for me to familiarize

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myself with, I see astrology as a symbolic language that can

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help us understand patterns in our lives, propensities, the

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gifts we have. And yet it's through our freewill and taking

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personal responsibility that we can live in to those potentials,

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or choose others for ourselves. And I found that unique that

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Chiron in your birth chart will be present in a sign Chiron will

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be an Aries, Taurus, Libra Scorpio, it's different for

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everyone. And that leads to a deeper understanding of the area

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of our lives that we might hide or edit from others. And even

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from our own awareness, because we tend to judge ourselves, we

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might have low self esteem and not want others to know that. So

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we'll compensate in different areas to try to hide that part

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of ourselves, for example, yet it causes us to feel sometimes

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even ashamed, or less than, and we know that that sense of

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unworthiness really can have some negative effects in our

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lives of it might show up as depression or anxiety or not

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quite living in the way you most deeply desire. So I'm just going

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to pause to check in with you. I'm curious what you think about

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that?

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Well, one thing that I find surprising about Chiron was in

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your book, you kind of laid out how to find the placement of

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your own Chiron and you know, usually in astrology, it's very

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specific time of your birth, the place of your birth, and but

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that seemed to be a very wide range of yours, that was

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basically determine your Chiron placement. So for me it was in

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Pisces, for example. And it was through a stretch of I think 10

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years. So that does that mean that really all those people

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born during this time have the placement in Pisces? Or is there

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a more specific way to determining where your Chiron

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is?

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It's actually both things that you're saying. And Chiron does

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spend about eight years in a sign. So people in your age

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range of eight years will all share Chiron in Pisces, which

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has to do with a core wounding and your sense of the immaterial

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world that could include spirituality, or a lack thereof.

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And it manifests in of a pattern of where you'll put other people

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first, but to an extreme, where you'll feel depleted and often

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others might not know and you could actually harbor a secret

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resentment for doing so much for others. And because they don't

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know that you are over extended for example, you know, they

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might be surprised that you suddenly are angry about it or

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you might say something kind of cutting or edgy and others it

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might push them away when what you desire is more closeness is

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some more help is some more co creation together. And Mother

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Teresa is an example she had her Chiron in Pisces and she

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obviously healed that so deeply to be of service to the world in

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huge ways. So it's really about learning to put on your oxygen

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mask first, as they say, in aviation, and then aid and

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assist others to give from your overflow. And I sense this is

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something you have most certainly naturally healed in

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your life. Dr. Friedman, Is that Is that accurate? Well, your

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work that work in

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progress, because it's definitely something that I feel

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that was, you know, something I enjoyed about your book that are

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very accurate in regards to that what you call core wounds that,

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you know, we all are dealing with now I call it survival

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pattern. And I certainly attribute that to my upbringing,

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which was very much me being the designated to help her and

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Peacemaker. That's why my name is freedom and man of peace. So

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that's definitely something that resonated with me. And, and I

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can very much see how this is something that's also in that

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specific generation that I grew up in, you know, very

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predominant where children were often just put into that role

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having to be those little helpers and little pleasers. And

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but what I'm wondering is with Chiron, how do you see that as

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you know, the the Chiron effect is actually something that stars

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create? Or is it just a map that basically gives us then the idea

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of okay, you are in that area right now, where this core wound

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is quite, you know, a parent or predominant what, what is the

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Chiron effect?

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Sure. And before I go there, Dr. Friedman, just to let people

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know that, though, someone eight years of your age range will

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share the same Chiron placement, as we were discussing Chiron in

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Pisces, but based upon if you have your time of birth, that

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will reveal the house, the astrological house that Chiron

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is in. And that's different for everyone, whether it manifests

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in the first house versus the third, the first house having to

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do with self esteem, the third house having to do with

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siblings, and communication. And so just to delineate that, that

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if you do have your time of birth, you'll be able to read

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about that added layer of where Chiron manifests in your life,

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if it's personally or in your professional life. But even if

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you don't have your time of birth, knowing what your core

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wounding or vulnerability is, will help you you'll pretty much

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know where that manifests intuitively, if Oh, you know,

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your patterns, which is what the Chiron effect is the Chiron

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effect is the patterning in our lives, that we can only go as

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far as our largest limiting belief. And if you think about

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that, for a minute, it's kind of a unique way to look at things

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that we can go as far as wide and deep, as we believe is true

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for ourselves. And that's the people places and things that we

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habituate that we orbit, I see us all and I talked about in the

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book, we're like little solar systems, we're planets,

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habituating, our friends, the places we go to these people,

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places and things daily, weekly, monthly, yearly. And that

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becomes, we orbit them, and they orbit us. And for the most, you

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know, I see a lot of people being mostly happy with their

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orbit with their little solar system that they've created. But

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often there's one area of our lives that it's like, wow, if I

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could only be have more financial success, or if I could

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have more professional recognition, or I'd really love

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to be in a relationship romantically that successful or

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enhance the one that I'm in. And so that's what the Chiron effect

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speaks to, it speaks to really looking at the thoughts that we

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have, we have up to 60,000 thoughts per day. And I talked

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about though, we're not able to identify or capture all of

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those, we don't need to, it's just a matter of every day if we

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could capture one or two of our negative and fear based

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thoughts, and really look at it and say, Hey, I don't want to

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believe this. I don't want to be limited by my beliefs about

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myself. I choose to release, for instance, that I'm not good

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enough for that I can't have what I want. And I replace it

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with wanting to believe that I can actually live the life of my

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dreams that I can actually have that financial backing that

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support that flow and ease in my life. And I give affirmations

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that you can write and take away like for Chiron in Pisces, their

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affirmations like I forgive myself. I love myself as I am. I

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am enough And you can take these and write them down. And I carry

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an affirmation around every day that says everything is always

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working out for me. And it's in my wallet. And when I go to pay

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for something, it's like a nice little surprise. And it's in

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this way of reprogramming our minds our subconscious mind. In

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fact, it's our life starts to change, our orbit starts to up

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be upgraded, our frequency is higher and clearer, and we start

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to have some new experience some new people come into our lives,

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does that help illuminate what the Chiron effect is?

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Yes. And a lot of people that do have a problem with astrology

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would say, well, am I a victim of my stars? And how do they

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suppose to influence me? And what is this to do with how I go

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through life? So just for those people that are, you know,

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already feeling like, well, this is too, out there for me, how

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would you ground astrology into their consciousness?

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Sure, Dr. Friedman, you know, that's why I began with that

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when we first started our conversation, that astrology is

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a beautiful symbolic language. And like I had said earlier, it

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it offers you some potential patterns, some gifts, some

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propensities that you have in your life. And yet, it's free

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will, it's taking personal responsibility for ourselves.

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That's how we change. So astrology is the diagnostic

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point, to look at where your Chiron falls in your birth

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chart, and therefore illuminating on a spectrum, what

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I call core wounding on one end and vulnerability on the other.

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For some of you, if you've experienced childhood abuse and

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trauma, this would be a deeper wound of neglect of abandonment,

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for instance, and for others of you, you might have been

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naturally healing yourself, because the body heals

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naturally, just like when we get a cut, you know, immediately,

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there's healing that starts and we don't have to do much at all,

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but put a bandaid over it for the body to heal itself. And our

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psychology is the same, we're really made to heal naturally.

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And so for you, for others, that might be an area of

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vulnerability, that you're you have awareness that, you know, I

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might lack the skills of, for instance, a healthy, romantic

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relationship. But yet, you've been reading you've been

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studying, you've been in therapy, to really beef up and

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strengthen and support yourself and having communication skills

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and learning to listen more empathetically, for instance, to

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others and yourself. So you'll find yourself on the spectrum.

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And I believe in personal responsibility, it's up to us.

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And I talk about in the book that though the things that have

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happened to you might not be your fault, especially in the

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instances of trauma and abuse, it is our responsibility to heal

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ourselves from what has happened to us by by accident, or by our

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own doing. And I see that journey really being about

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forgiveness. And I know Dr. Friedman, I was taught that

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forgiveness is for others. Yet forgiveness is also for you. And

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it's really the thoughts you're thinking in your own mind about

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yourself, to learn to be a supportive coach, to learn to

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really tune in to what you most deeply need today, and start to

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show up and give yourself those things. And I'm curious what you

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think about that being in the healing profession?

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Well, I feel forgiveness especially is a very important

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aspect of the healing of self and the healing also, of our

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relationship with ourself. And, and one of those things that I

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find so interesting about this whole concept that you

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introduced, is that for many people, they get stuck in the,

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in the symptoms, you know, in the symptom of I'm feeling

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depressed and feeling insecure, or I'm feeling down on myself

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and I love your cat there in the background walking around.

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Thank you. She loves being in interviews. Oh yes, alertly my

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cats do that too. And all that sweet.

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And you know and so that you with the psycho astrology also

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help people to really go beyond the symptoms of the emotions

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because in our society, we are often so focused on Well, I am

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anxious, that's what I need to focus on. Or I am someone who

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has struggled with low self esteem. That's what I focus on

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it. And we are not going to what's actually underneath that,

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you know, of course, we can always chase the symptoms we can

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always try to, you know, make ourselves feel a victim of our

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emotions and we're not seeing them really as just little

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messenger that tells us hey, there is a core belief there is

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a core wound. That is really the origin of what you're feeling

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your feelings are not wrong. similar to ours being a map. I

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think our feelings need to be seen as maps to So, I feel like

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you know, being able to forgive ourselves also for how we feel

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and realize there is nothing wrong with our feelings. It's

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just something something that, you know, connects you to

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something deeper, is a part of the journey that I'm teaching my

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clients and that I have been on as well, because it's, I think

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it is a way to find back to wholeness, which ultimately what

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healing is about. But we talked about my, you know, the core

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wounds of, or the Chiron core wounds of the Pisces, what other

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examples do you have that, you know, what other signs and core

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wounds

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are work with, you know, one that I think is interesting that

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I've been working with clients recently that have this

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placement of Chiron in the sign of Gemini. And that speaks to a

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core wounding slash vulnerability again, on that

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spectrum, having to do with empathetic attunement. And

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that's just a fancy way of saying that when you were

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growing up, there was this Miss attunement to your emotional

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needs. And it left you feeling like people didn't understand

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you, that you were often misunderstood. And it's so

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frustrating to be misunderstood, stood or feel like you're not

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being heard, I think all of us have had that experience from

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time to time where someone doesn't get us or we say

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something, and we believe it to have been quite clear, but

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someone else hears a completely different, has a different take.

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And it's it causes a miscommunication, that then you

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have to clean up and there's some frustration and, and even

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like, you know, how did you even think that's what I said it

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wasn't. But for the person with the Chiron in Gemini, it's a

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really profound and pervading experience of being

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misunderstood. And this person might have even been bullied,

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when they were younger, or conversely, they were the ones

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to do the bullying, they might have been bullied in their

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family and with their siblings, or bullied their siblings. And

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so as they're an adult in the world, having this you know,

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sense of being misunderstood, they might either close down and

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not really share their emotions at that deep level for fear of,

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of those things happening again. And so they're feeling kind of

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depressed and cut off from their authentic selves. And you know,

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for for just not showing up not being authentic are saying what

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they truly think or feel. Or conversely, in the shadow of

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Chiron in Gemini, they they're perceived as being that no at

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all, kind of person. And again, that's really painful when

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people think you're a No at all. Because, you know, 10 out of 10

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times, you really just want to share something of value and

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importance to listeners, but the way it's coming across again,

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it's like this not being empathetically attuned to. So to

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heal that placement, it has to do with, you know, gaining some

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other communication skills. And first and foremost, identifying

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what you most deeply need. And it's centered around really

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being heard, really being seen, you know, being valued for who

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you are. And it starts by valuing yourself, valuing your

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own contribution, your own thoughts, your own, what's

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important to you matters, knowing, you know, at your

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deepest core value and worth that what you have to say

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matters. And then progressively, taking a few trusted even one

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trusted person, and working on this together, and even

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exercises like you know, saying something and then asking, What

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did you hear? What did you hear me say? And it's a communication

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skill, as you know, when couples and relationships sharing some

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of your deepest needs and then checking in and saying, What did

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you hear and then mirroring back, if that's accurate or not,

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and kind of tweaking it till both people are really hearing

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and empathetically attuning to each other? So I just think

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that's a really interesting placement to work with.

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Yeah, that's an I think that's a very common one, I certainly

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have plenty of examples in my clientele who had been

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struggling with that and, and I think that that lack of empathy

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and the lack of empathy with yourself is something also that

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you know, many of us maybe not even in that placement, but

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beyond that are struggling with and it's one of your, you know,

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kind of pillars of healing with forgiveness, this empathy. And I

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wonder how do you help people to feel more empathetic with

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himself?

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Well, I think it starts with the work that we do Dr. Freeman that

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we empathize to our clients experience. And for you

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listening or watching it's, it's most simply put as putting

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yourself in their shoes, suspending your own judgment,

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suspending your own experience of reality, and really just

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trying to feel into often I'll just close my eyes, as someone's

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talking, be it a client or a friend, and just really just Try

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to imagine, you know, myself, if I was having those thoughts if I

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was having that experience, okay, I can see how they would

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feel this way. And it's really a true just temporarily setting

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aside your own paradigm and beliefs in life, to just feel

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into this other person's experience, because we all make

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sense in the context of what we've lived. And when you have

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that ability to put yourself in someone else's life experience,

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to understand why they're showing up or not showing up a

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certain way. That's how you really connect through empathy.

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It's like a superpower to me, it's not meaning that you're

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abandoning your belief system or changing your mind. But just for

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a few moments, you're actually seeing what it feels like to be

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in this other person's experience. And I know that if

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we did more of that, our world would be such a kinder plays

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such a more collaborative place, there would be less competition,

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there would be more cooperation and understanding. And so I

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invite you to do that in your life today, be it with your

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spouse, your partner, your friends, your clients, the

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person at the grocery store, just to practice some empathetic

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listening to really listen, and not be thinking of what you're

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going to say next. And if you're on the spot, you can even say,

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Hey, I was really deeply listening to you. So I need a

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moment to gather my thoughts about this, you know, and people

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will be maybe taken aback at first, but in a really positive

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way, that you're actually listening, that you're, you're

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asking questions and care to hear, it can really enhance and

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expand all of your relationships to practice this.

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And I think we can probably really learn a lot from just

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feeling where other people come from, rather than just having

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our own judgments. But what I wonder is the empathy with our

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own self, because I think often we are so disconnected from

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ourselves that we don't even feel our feelings, we don't even

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have a sense of this is where I came from. Because we are, you

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know, either in our own judgments with ourselves, or we

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are believing that we have to be different, or we should be not

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this or that. So how do you help people to get more empathetic

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with himself, you know, self compassion, self empathy,

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whatever you call it.

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Yeah, and it's the same process is you would with another, but

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you're just imagining yourself, you're really taking time to

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slow down. And for some people that actually might be there,

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they're so in their feelings, that it's like you're blinded by

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your emotions. And we all know what that feels like. It's like

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you're so in this experience of I think anger can be like that

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depression can be like that anxiety can be like that, where

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you're just so in the experience of it, that you lose

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objectivity. And it's such a powerful experience that we

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often want to just shut it down and, and maybe medicate too

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soon, for instance, before going into asking some questions that

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my book offers you like, what, what is happening right now for

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myself? What is triggering this feeling? When have I felt this

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before? Is this familiar and to slow down your reactivity by

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tuning in by going deeper, or being curious about this emotion

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that you're having? Like is if you're curious, like on this

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journey to understand more, and it's by slowing down and being

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with that feeling, instead of wanting to eradicate it,

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suppress it, medicate it, drink it away, drug it away, you know,

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have seek peak experiences, to kind of take you out of

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yourself. And while you know, all those things can be enjoyed

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in moderation. You know, it's really about leaning into first

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what does this emotion want me to learn? Because it's

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communication. Like you said earlier, Dr. Friedman, these

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emotions are trying to get us to notice something within

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ourselves. And so to take some time there can really illuminate

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something that is actually going to make you happier and

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healthier and feel better, if you can, if you can go there

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with yourself.

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Yeah, often doing exactly. The softening with ourselves. And I

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just talked to a client today who was really struggling with

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anxiety for a long time and in every time she felt anxiety, she

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basically wanted to run away from herself. I think a lot of

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people can relate to that feeling of overwhelm and it is

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too much but when she learned to just soften her gaze and the

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anxiety and understand more, this is actually where it comes

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from. This is what triggered it. This is the child inside of me

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that was obviously in that moment, wanting to please

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someone and didn't get the response he hoped to get and

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that created anxiety and fear of abandonment and everything

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changes and that's why I find like you know, your your

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placements and your Chiron effects are so helpful because

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it does really pull To that, what we need to ask what we need

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to look at in regards to understanding better, why we are

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feeling and why we are thinking and why we are acting the way we

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have been acting and so very, very helpful tool for people to

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have now people can actually do the test, I think on your

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website to find more specifically, their their

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placement. So how do they get there? What's your website's?

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Yes,

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sure, my website is no law therapy.com and ol@herapy.com.

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It stands for New Orleans, Los Angeles therapy. That's the two

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places that I live. And I'm at Nola therapy on Instagram,

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Facebook and YouTube as well if you want to follow me and reach

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out and connect there. And it just simply takes having your

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date of birth and place of birth to find the sign your Chiron is

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in. And there's in fact a chart in the book to do that. There's

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also an interactive website at Nola therapy.com. If you click

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on the button that says order my book, it'll take you to the

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interactive plugin where you can enter your your birth

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information, you don't have to buy the book to do that. There's

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actually a synopsis about the book so you can see if it's for

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you some links to order as well. But you can find out your Chiron

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before even buying it. And and you know, see what that's about

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for you more specifically. But it's been such a good tool, Dr.

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Friedman, for even in my own life, I've been a therapist over

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20 years, I've been in therapy almost the same amount of time.

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And I wrote the book because I felt frustrated with myself. And

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with the process of like, oh my gosh, do I really have to think

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about that experience from my childhood again, like, Are you

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kidding me? Like do I have to keep going back to the story of

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the problem. And so it was through meditation that I just

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asked, you know, the universe, Universal Mind, God, Spirit,

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whatever you call that energy. I just said like, what's next,

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like what is beyond this. And that's when I started to hear

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Chiron which I knew loosely was a reference and Carl Jung's work

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about the collective unconscious. And as I felt pride

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in led to research more, I saw how Chiron connects to our

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patterns. When Freud talked about the repetition compulsion,

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and the object relation is talked about this patterning in

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our relationships that comes from our childhood template of

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how we were loved or not loved enough, for example. And I

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started to see these really profound connections between

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this Chiron placement and psychology and spirituality. So

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you know, that's where I got excited, because it's helped me

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to heal my sense of value and worth, Chiron and Aries, and

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then really be able to offer this to others that you can do

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on your own or bring it to your therapist bring it to the person

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you're working with, to just really hone in on the main area

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of vulnerability that your patterns have been sourced from.

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So your pattern is self worth.

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It's been this sense of value and worth that just I know about

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that outwardly, I've had successes and things that I

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really cared about manifest come to fruition, yet, I didn't feel

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like like I felt on that performance wheel, like I have

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to do more, you know, it's never enough, like this constant of

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achievement. And yet, I wouldn't allow myself to just delight in

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the achievement and be like, oh, like, I'm enough like that, if I

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never do another thing, it's plenty. And my value and worth

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doesn't have to come from this constant, you know, performance

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and achievement and, and offering value that it's okay to

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just do nothing. And you're still valuable. You know, if

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you're sitting there watching TV, or, you know, like just

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being quiet with yourself, and I think a lot of people can relate

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to that hamster wheel, it's often called of performance and

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you just get exhausted. And for me, it's been about, you know,

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feeling loved sourcing love, just from my beingness not my

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doing Ness.

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And so your formation that you're using is

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things like, I'm enough, I'm good enough as I am. That even

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in the wellness in the trip, personal transformation space

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and the higher consciousness community, you know, the key to

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the pursuit of healing of growth of like, oh my gosh, there's

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always more like these layers to discover. And certainly that's

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true. Yet on the other hand, to really balance that with a deep

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sense of I'm okay just as I am. And like pausing like more

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mindfulness. Mindfulness has been a wonderful practice with

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meditation in my life to just really be in the moment In The

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Now, and like, except without judgment, just like this

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unconditional love and this presence of the moment like that

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we're having that this is perfect. This is plenty. And

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like, you know, to really learn to appreciate and just have

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bring a little more stillness and presence to each day of my

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life and, you know, appreciate the flowers, the grass, you

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know, really like noticing your surroundings, even though you

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might have lived in them for 1520 30 years, kind of fresh

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eyes, you know, on your environments. And I'm curious

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what you think about that?

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Well, I can so much relate to it, because I certainly was an

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overachiever all my life, based on also some core wounds of not

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being told I'm good enough or smart enough or, and I think,

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for me, the value of achievement got replaced by the value of

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peace, really being at peace. And once I realize it feels

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actually so much better to be in peace, than always having to

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next you know, next hoop to jump through or next goal and next

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mountain top to reach. Mate, a lot of sense to me, at some

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point, I realized it's not sustainable to have another

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doctor read another book, another whatever, you just have

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to really realize, what is it for? What am I really looking

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for? And so yeah, it's living up to my name peace men, but not

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for others necessarily only, but also for myself, made a big

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difference. And so I think, you know, like you said, changing

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our beliefs, which is also changing our value system,

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changing our preferences, is really what healing is all

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about. But one thing I wanted to ask you as a last question,

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there is also Chiron, obviously affecting the whole planet.

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Since you know, you talked about these different time periods

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where Chiron has been present. And what do you feel like is

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right now or the planet dealing with? What's the global Chiron

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effect that we are right now in?

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Oh, that's a good question, Dr. freemen, you know, right now,

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Chiron is in Aries, and it entered Aries, I think, a year

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or two ago, I'd have to check that. So it'll be in Chiron will

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be in Aries for the next, like, say, six years. And so that

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speaks to a core wounding a vulnerability in the areas of

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value and worth. And I think we've been seeing that played

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out. Globally, and I'm just going to say in the way, you

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know, some that countries don't take care of their own

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inhabitants, I think we see that with health care, you know,

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like, not being accessible affordably in the US, I can only

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speak for, in my experience, but you know, I like and here in the

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US veterans, the high suicide rate, the homelessness rate of

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veterans, and there's not adequate services for them so

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that they have housing and mental health treatment, and

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such. And here, the schools in urban and rural areas, don't

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have books, or some of them don't even have plumbing. And

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it's like this, you know, value and worth of our own people and

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really needing to strengthen that. And so you can also pull

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up the birth chart of your relationship of your LLC of your

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business, and find out the Chiron placement, which has been

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so interesting. And therefore find out the area of

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vulnerability of your business, for instance, or in your

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relationship, it will help you understand whether you choose

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your first date, or the date you got married, I would check both

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and see which Chiron placement resonates more for kind of the

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patterns, the arguments you might have, or the places you

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both feel frustrated, and there might be an impasse, you often

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come to, it can help really open that up, so that you have more

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compassion for each other. And in your business. It might

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reveal, for instance, that you need to really read contracts

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more carefully if the Chiron of your business is in Libra, that

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has to do with professional and personal contracts. So it can be

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really illuminating to just play and enter dates, you know of

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your relationship, your business and see what comes up so that

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you can just have more awareness.

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Absolutely. And the beauty is even if something is not totally

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in the moment resonating with you, because you feel like no,

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that's not my problem. These core wounds are just so in

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general, affecting most of us that working on them, you will

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always gain something from it just like the core wound of self

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or this feeling like you know, you have to be the caretaker of

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the pleaser or the core wound of anything. These are things that

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we all somewhere dealing with because it's a part of the human

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condition. So, don't even think like, oh, I won a Chiron

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placement, just go through them all, because all of them can

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really gain for you a greater sense of awareness, a greater

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sense of empowerment and ultimately make you feel more

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whole and complete.

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I appreciate that Dr. Friedman and I've even used my own book

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when last year I experienced a person that I felt abandoned by

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them. And I turned to the chapter Chiron in the sign of

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cancer, core wounding by abandonment, and I was like,

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What did I say about coping with abandonment? And it really

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helped me to go through to remember, this is what I can

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tell myself, this is how I can soothe you know, my inner self,

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because often it's the self soothing we need when something

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happens that is unexpected or hurtful or disappointing. So I

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encourage you to definitely read all of the placements because

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once you've lived any life, you know, we've all experienced an

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abandonment of neglect. Not being empathetically attuned to

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or feeling cut off from community like where's our

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tribe, Chiron in Aquarius? And so I find it really helpful to

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pick up what I just need a little boost or refresher like

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how do I cope with this? So hang that.

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So people can find your book, I guess, everywhere. It's called

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the Chiron effect. And they can find you at again Nola

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therapy.com.

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That's correct. And you can order it, you know, at the big

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sellers like like Amazon, Barnes and noble.com. But even in your

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local bookstore, if you bring them my book, since it's through

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a publisher, they can order it for you from my publisher, if

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you'd like to shop local, like here in New Orleans, there's

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this wonderful blue Cypress bookstore and they carry my book

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so even if my book isn't being carried you can ask that they

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carry it which I would appreciate so much as well if

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you wrote a review because the reviews help you know the work

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get in front of more people. So I'd really be delighted if

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people were led to review

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Well, I certainly appreciated your book very much and I

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certainly will continue to recommend it to people thank you

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is a very beautiful well I have so much wisdom and and practical

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tools which I really appreciate. Well, thank you Lisa so much for

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being on good real and for bringing in this work that is

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born I think from you know that beautiful meditation and

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reaching out to the universe, which is ideal because I think

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it aligns us with our greater purpose. So happy that you did

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that.

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Thank you, Dr. Friedman. This has really been a delight to

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have time with you and our audience. Thank you.

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