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Minding the Basics: Part 2 of 2
Episode 107th January 2025 • Finding Your Balance • Peace River Center
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Maintaining mental health is easier when you have an actionable plan and a toolbox of resources. In Episode 5, Part 2 of 2 of Finding Your Balance: A Mental Health Podcast presented by Peace River Center and Southeastern University, Kirk and Tiffani share helpful tips to guide you through minding the basics for optimal mental wellness. 

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Tiffani:

Thank you for joining us today for part two of our two-part series on Minding the

Tiffani:

Basics.

Kirk:

You know, in the trauma work that I've done with folks we do here in Florida, we

Kirk:

encounter a lot of hurricanes as the Gulf Coast and the Eastern Seaboard will

Kirk:

experience. But one of the things we talk about or I talk about when preparing for

Kirk:

hurricanes is the fact that the act of preparing, the act of planning can help

Kirk:

alleviate a lot of anxiety and worry about this thing we can't control, the

Kirk:

hurricane. And it's not only good for adults, but also good for children,

Kirk:

the young people in our lives. They even have less control and maybe experiencing

Kirk:

some feelings they don't even understand. But here's a way to gain some control over

Kirk:

an uncontrollable situation and that is preparing and having your own little kit and

Kirk:

things like that. So having a routine for your money,

Kirk:

for your food, and getting out there and exercising on a regular basis can be very

Kirk:

helpful. But then there's also the sleep. Oh, that's the hardest one. That's the

Kirk:

hardest one to all, right, because I'm a go, go, go kind of person, and sleep can

Kirk:

be telling on a number of levels if you're in its based on your pattern,

Kirk:

okay. So if you've got something you're worried about, and if you're going through

Kirk:

college, you're a student, there's anxiety there for tests, and the assignments you've

Kirk:

got to get completed, So there's that worry and as an adult you got work kind of

Kirk:

obligations You've got you know other relationship kind of obligations and things like

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that sleep is a really good indicator of Where that anxiety is because if you're

Kirk:

overly worried about something you don't sleep very well First for a lot of people.

Kirk:

There's the opposite of those folks that are trying to avoid certain things. They

Kirk:

will want to sleep more So take a look at your sleep pattern. Do you have a

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regular sleep routine? I love my wife dearly. She is a wonderful sleep routine,

Kirk:

and she also has a routine for waking up. I'm not a routine kind of guy when it

Kirk:

comes to that, so I admire her for her fortitude with her plan,

Kirk:

her routine that she maintains, And she gets herself ready for sleep, and her body

Kirk:

knows that, "Okay, we're coming into sleep mode, and things kind of wind down." I'm

Kirk:

hit or miss.

Kirk:

If I'm being honest, I'm hit or miss. I mean, there are days where I'm go, go,

Kirk:

go, go, go, and then all of a sudden I'll crash, and now I go. And then there

Kirk:

are other times that I'm just, the mind is taking its time winding down and one of

Kirk:

the things that you'll hear a lot from sleep experts is especially nowadays the

Kirk:

world of technology that we live in that lovely little screen time got to be

Kirk:

careful with that and be mindful of that if your your parents of children that you

Kirk:

know get into the screen time you you should really monitor how much screen time

Kirk:

they have, 'cause that does disrupt one's sleep routine. And many devices now have a

Kirk:

parental control on the amount of time your little ones will watch.

Kirk:

And it doesn't even have to be for the little ones, hello, we can set it for

Kirk:

ourselves and set up a reminder, okay, I need to slow this down now or I need to

Kirk:

stop at a particular time so that the mind can really start to process and shut

Kirk:

off and prepare itself for bedtime, for sleep. Well, I think that's why it's so

Tiffani:

important. We've talked in other episodes about vicarious trauma and as clinicians or

Tiffani:

even just as people having that margin in your day to process out your day because

Tiffani:

if we go, go, go, go, go, and there's no margin by the time we go to bed.

Tiffani:

Well, that's when you've stopped for the first time all day and that's when it all

Tiffani:

hits you. And what we don't want, you know, as people for that to be our

Tiffani:

decompression time because that will eat into your sleep, right? Because then it's,

Tiffani:

well, I could have done this. I should have said that. What if I had done this?

Tiffani:

Would this have been different? And now you're wrestling all of those scenarios alone

Tiffani:

because everyone else is - Right. - But also, what are you gonna do? Like,

Tiffani:

however, you know, you're stuck now and you can't turn off your brain. And so, one

Tiffani:

of the things that I've really had to focus on, and we've talked about this before,

Tiffani:

is being intentional about carving out time in your day, you know,

Tiffani:

having that garbage can of trauma, like you've mentioned, and dumping it out before

Tiffani:

you go home, because whatever you have, you know, on your is going to go home with

Tiffani:

you if you don't set it down, and what we don't want, if you're so go, go, go,

Tiffani:

if the first time you stop is at night, well, that's absolutely going to impact the

Tiffani:

quality of your sleep. Right. So I can hear a lot of people out there going,

Kirk:

"Well, you know, I got schoolwork, I got tests coming up, and I got to study," and

Kirk:

yep, you're correct, you do. If you plan out some time to say,

Kirk:

"I I'm going to study for X number of hours in your time.

Kirk:

Plan it, plan it. Being a little bit more mindful of what you're doing can help

Kirk:

alleviate a lot of stress and anxiety. And, you know, one of the things I love to

Kirk:

do is read. So, and I read a lot, but it doesn't take a a lot of time. I had

Kirk:

watched a YouTube video of this gentleman who calculated out,

Kirk:

"Look, we have breaking down your day into half -hour increments and taking a look

Kirk:

at your time." If you only read for a half -hour a day, you would be surprised at

Kirk:

how many books you could And what he did is he's calculated for this person, "Okay,

Kirk:

this is your reading rate. And if you read for a half hour every day, you could,

Kirk:

and this person could get through war and peace. They could get through Anna Karenina.

Kirk:

So in the Count of Monte Cristo and for you in the literature world,

Kirk:

you know how daunting some of those books are because they're very long.

Kirk:

But and And he has like three other books that people could get through just by

Kirk:

reading for a half hour every day. And it's like, wow. And then of course you've

Kirk:

got all that experience and knowledge that you get out of the reading. So when you

Kirk:

look at that and think about your time management and look at things in half hour

Kirk:

increments and look at your studies and what you have to read and do, if you did

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it in those small chunks that aren't as overwhelming as daunting of a task and

Kirk:

break it down simply, you actually get a lot more in and it was kind of amazing

Kirk:

because what this person figured out in their reading style was that well,

Kirk:

they would only get about 50 books or so and the rest of their lifetime and they

Kirk:

calculated it out and it almost tripled the amount of books you could read just by

Kirk:

reading for a half hour a day. So I was like, wow, I know I read half hour a

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day at least on various things. And Variety is also the spice of life.

Kirk:

So if you're the type of person that says, "I have to read this book cover to

Kirk:

cover and that's the only book I can read," they encourage you to kind of break it

Kirk:

up a little bit. Read two or three books at a time and stuff like that. So when

Kirk:

you're in college, you are doing that kind of practice because you are reading for

Kirk:

this subject and then you're reading for the next subject and for yet a third

Kirk:

subject as you're studying. So getting that routine again is pretty important.

Tiffani:

Oh, and I think life is just like the art of multitasking, right? Exactly. And the

Tiffani:

things that you're juggling are going to vary from time to time. Maybe a job, maybe

Tiffani:

children, maybe friendships, relationships, but it's multitasking and figuring out where

Tiffani:

am I going to put my energy, where am I going to put my priority, and how do I

Tiffani:

shift my energy as it's needed? Because like you've said, you know, several times,

Tiffani:

it's good to have the plan, it's good to have the structure. It's also good to

Tiffani:

have the understanding that that plan is going to change and that doesn't mean you

Tiffani:

fail. That means that your energy is needed over here. One of the things that we

Tiffani:

focus and working with children and families is that we encourage parents and

Tiffani:

caregivers to communicate a plan to their kids and say,

Tiffani:

I start my day every morning with my kids, okay guys, let's talk about our day.

Tiffani:

Let's talk about what we're gonna do. So what am I doing? I'm setting expectations.

Tiffani:

I'm setting a sense of structure because kids are people and people need a sense of

Tiffani:

safety and a sense of security, and I know that I feel better if I think I know

Tiffani:

what's coming next. Now what comes next may change, but I feel better when I have

Tiffani:

a sense of like, "All right, I know what's ahead of me." There's a sense of

Tiffani:

security, a sense of safety, a sense of peace that comes from that, and it makes

Tiffani:

you feel like, "Okay, I think I can handle what's next," and you know, kids need

Tiffani:

that. And so what I have found is that even when the plan changes,

Tiffani:

they are resilient to that change because there's still a sense of structure and

Tiffani:

routine and stability with that. And what has happened just over the course of time

Tiffani:

is that if there's no plan and no communication and in something changes,

Tiffani:

that's when you see really big reactions because it's like, well, this has come out

Tiffani:

of a field. Well, it's not 'cause I knew the whole time what we were gonna do,

Tiffani:

but you didn't. And so I think having kind of that mindset with college students

Tiffani:

and even like young adults of, the plan's gonna change, it will, because there's

Tiffani:

factors outside of your control. But come up with some sense of framework. Every

Tiffani:

day, you know, I set my calendar. My day has never in the history of my life gone

Tiffani:

exactly according to my calendar, but it gives me a sense of structure. And the

Tiffani:

other thing, which you may laugh at this, and it's okay if you do, what really

Tiffani:

helps my brain, because some days, you know, you can feel like, oh my goodness,

Tiffani:

there's no way I'm going to get through all of this. And the goals ahead of you

Tiffani:

feels so daunting and so overwhelming that it's like that paralysis that sits in of

Tiffani:

like Well, I don't even know where to start. Right. So I'm just going to not

Tiffani:

because then I can't mess it up and I just can't right now And so that can be

Tiffani:

really overwhelming and then if you if someone does have a sense of you know

Tiffani:

anxiety or depression or anything that might affect, you know a fear of,

Tiffani:

you know, accomplishing the task at hand, it can really be debilitating. And so one

Tiffani:

of the things that I've learned to do that I need is I will make a list.

Tiffani:

And even if I know all the things that I need to do, I'll put it in list form

Tiffani:

so that I can cross it off. And even if it's something that I just did,

Tiffani:

I put it on the list, and then I cross it off. I'm like, yes, one thing done.

Tiffani:

And me having Having that visual look at what I've accomplished, but also I'm

Tiffani:

putting it on paper and making it tangible. It's not just a million things floating

Tiffani:

in my head, which sounds like such a simple thing, but Kirk, that like is a game

Tiffani:

changer for me. It is. And the science bears that out because I remember studying

Kirk:

in organizational psychology in my undergrad years, that very thing,

Kirk:

creating a list and crossing that item off was such a stress reliever for

Kirk:

executives. This was in an organization, they had a consultant come in and they

Kirk:

observed all these things. Basically what the consultant said is, "Your executives

Kirk:

need to create a list and then cross things off." Changed the environment,

Kirk:

the stress level,

Kirk:

Yeah, yeah, a simple little list. - And you know what, so funny is that the amount

Tiffani:

of things didn't change. - Right. - The things themselves didn't change, but my

Tiffani:

perspective of the challenge changed. It wasn't like, oh my gosh, all of these

Tiffani:

things that I've gotta do versus okay, here's my challenge. I'm gonna get it done

Tiffani:

because it's on my list and I have to cross the things off on my list. And so my

Tiffani:

perception of the situation changed and that changed everything. Yeah. And I'm going

Kirk:

to throw out a caution flag out on that too because some people can make a list

Kirk:

and they get a little obsessive about the list itself. And if they don't get to

Kirk:

those items, because there will be days, you don't get to something on that list. I

Kirk:

live in the world of crisis work, So I make a list and sometimes I get to

Kirk:

everything and sometimes I don't get to anything or maybe just a few so The list

Kirk:

is there to be that structure to be that organization of okay. What do I do next?

Kirk:

Well, there it is Let me do that and then crossing it off such a nice thing one

Kirk:

of the things that I Got into and I'm proud to share this that for years I've

Kirk:

been trying to really get into journaling because we use it as a tool for therapy

Kirk:

and I know it can be a nice way to empty that emotional trash can that I talk

Kirk:

about. But I always struggled myself with journaling. And here I am giving advice,

Kirk:

try journaling and it'll help. And that you're not doing it yourself. Well, I

Kirk:

struggled with it because I would start and then not really continue that momentum

Kirk:

with it. Well, I made a much more conscious effort a year,

Kirk:

a little over a year ago, to journal. And it didn't have to be anything deep and

Kirk:

heavy duty. Oh, I'm just reflecting on life. No, some of it is a little to -do

Kirk:

list. Some of it is a bit of my calendar for the day kind of thing and some of

Kirk:

it is reflection and thought and such for that moment in time and So I made a

Kirk:

conscious effort and learned a little bit of something called bullet journaling many

Kirk:

YouTube videos out there and

Kirk:

There's a process of course there's some that get really creative and it's a

Kirk:

creative outlet for some folks, which is great, and they have all nice little

Kirk:

pictures and drawings around their journal, and I'm like, "That's not going to

Kirk:

happen." It's time-consuming, but the really essence of doing that kind of journaling

Kirk:

was really what attracted me to it, so I stuck to it. Some of it was the learning

Kirk:

process for me as well, and being excited about that. I've seen you do it. Is that

Tiffani:

where you write the lines in your journal? Yep. Okay. - Yeah, so it's getting a

Kirk:

little bit away from the tech world, which for me, it's a little more grounding,

Kirk:

and we'll probably talk about grounding in the future YouTube podcast.

Kirk:

But for me, it's a little bit of grounding for the day. It helps me focus a

Kirk:

little bit, and I create kind of a plan for what I hope to accomplish that day.

Kirk:

Again, I don't know always, but you just take those items and you move them to the

Kirk:

next day and you get to them. And then eventually you look at that list and say,

Kirk:

"Was that really a priority?" And it kind of helps you readjust some prioritization.

Tiffani:

Well, I think that like having that grace of like, "What is my best?" And like,

Tiffani:

"Your best is going to change depending on the day, depending on the stressors of

Tiffani:

that day." Right? The the quality of your best is gonna be different. But having

Tiffani:

that grace of did I do my best today or did I do what I could do today? And

Tiffani:

that needs to be enough. And I think that so many times we'll have that grace for

Tiffani:

other people when they come to us and they say, look, like I'm doing all that I

Tiffani:

can do. And then my response is always, okay, you know, let's see what I can do

Tiffani:

to help support you. Do we extend that same grace to ourselves or do we immediately

Tiffani:

go to gosh you're failing you know of course you mess this up like you're never

Tiffani:

gonna get this done and so I think having that positive self-talk is really needed

Tiffani:

because you can only do so much and like you said maybe you'll get to the things

Tiffani:

on your list maybe those things will slide over till tomorrow no problem but like

Tiffani:

you know what we'll get done we'll get done one of the things that that I have

Tiffani:

found for my own self-care is that what you need is gonna be different than what

Tiffani:

someone else's needs. Kirk and I have a friend that loves to garden and she is

Tiffani:

incredible at it, right? You know, it makes beautiful things. I'm like, "Huh, that

Tiffani:

seems fun. That brings her a lot of joy. Perhaps I should try such things." And so

Tiffani:

I get all these plants and I have the best intention. I need the world to know, I

Tiffani:

really do. And then the part of my brain that says, "What are these plants?" It

Tiffani:

does not work. And so I've even gone as far as setting a calendar reminder on my

Tiffani:

computer and I snooze it because I get busy doing other things. And so that does

Tiffani:

not bring me joy. Like, I love the idea of plants. I love when I'm surrounded by

Tiffani:

plants. I love having plants in my office. It does not bring me joy to take care

Tiffani:

of them. But what I have found that is so therapeutic, which may seem so strange,

Tiffani:

is I love doing yard work. Right? So I don't really care about keeping them alive.

Tiffani:

And I don't even really care about planting them. But I really enjoy

Tiffani:

um, like, uh, like trimming or, you know, um, some things in our yard and pulling

Tiffani:

things out. And I don't know all the words because I don't know about plants, but

Tiffani:

it was so cathartic doing yard work and seeing something that's so overgrown,

Tiffani:

right? And then having a very clear before and after, and I can see what I have

Tiffani:

accomplished. And I think so much of what we do during the day, there's not this

Tiffani:

immediate gratification of like, okay, I've seen the results of the effort that I've

Tiffani:

put into this, because some things take time, and some things are abstract, but for

Tiffani:

me, for my self-care, it's so helpful to do something where I see the immediate,

Tiffani:

you know, fruits of my labor, whereas like, I feel like with planting things,

Tiffani:

like it takes too long, you know, and I don't mind,

Tiffani:

you know, sowing the seeds and doing the things in like regular work, but for my

Tiffani:

self-care, like, what brings you joy? And everybody's got something different that

Tiffani:

brings them joy, and I think it's important, and you owe it to yourself, to keep

Tiffani:

trying things. And I know you've mentioned in in prior podcasts, You know within

Tiffani:

reason say yes try something, you know go to a club go to a hobby club Go to you

Tiffani:

know a sports event try that activity on campus Maybe it's the worst and maybe you

Tiffani:

never have to go again But maybe you'll meet someone there that will become your

Tiffani:

best friend and it will change the course of your life Because you gave it a shot

Tiffani:

because you said yes, and I can tell you when I came to college I knew one person

Tiffani:

and she is still a good friend but my best friend I just was randomly placed with

Tiffani:

you know she randomly was assigned to my room and we have been in each other's

Tiffani:

weddings you know we have been there for each other during you know raising children

Tiffani:

and you know one of the best friends of my life And if I hadn't have said yes to

Tiffani:

a particular opportunity, I would have missed out on that experience. And I think so

Tiffani:

many times we have this fear that holds us back, right? And we don't say yes.

Tiffani:

And I'm not saying say yes to everything. Something should be a definite no. But

Tiffani:

something just, gosh, like this is your chance to figure out who are you and what

Tiffani:

do you need to have joy. And so what a great time, you know, college, especially

Tiffani:

early adulthood to figure out, you know, who are you? - Yeah, when I was teaching

Kirk:

sociology at one of the colleges, you know, that was something I would tell students

Kirk:

is be curious. This is your time to be curious about things and try different

Kirk:

things. You know, look at, I mean, college years are the opportunity to,

Kirk:

yes, break out on your own but it's also an exciting time for exploration and

Kirk:

taking a few risks that you know I'm not really sure about going around that corner

Kirk:

well go around that corner a little bit and and see if it works for you and fits

Tiffani:

for you and some of the risks are gonna be silly and some of them are gonna be

Tiffani:

alive changing I know one of the things that I realized that I loved was I loved

Tiffani:

traveling I I went on some mission trips with my school and I had never really done,

Tiffani:

you know, a lot of that before and it was so exciting and it was so exciting to

Tiffani:

realize, okay, well, this is going to be the cost of the trip and it seems

Tiffani:

overwhelming. You break it up into little things and you start working towards it

Tiffani:

like what you've said before. I think all of the categories that we've talked about,

Tiffani:

the underlying theme is moderation, and planning, and taking a lofty goal and

Tiffani:

breaking it down into bite-sized steps that are doable, right, that can be achieved.

Tiffani:

But if you look at it, big picture can seem incredibly overwhelming. - Right,

Kirk:

absolutely, absolutely. So, you know, and even we're talking about reducing anxiety or

Kirk:

reducing stress, but even the planning process It's going to be anxiety producing and

Kirk:

stressful because you're you're trying something new for the first time It doesn't

Kirk:

have to be perfect. It's your plan. It's not something you're going to necessarily

Kirk:

Share with everybody in the world. It's for you. It's for you and make it as

Kirk:

flexible and and open as possible For you and and again, you have permission to

Kirk:

give yourself forgiveness Because you're you're not always gonna hit everything spot

Kirk:

on every day, you know, there'll be days where, yeah, you hit everything and you've

Kirk:

got room for more or you don't have room for any of it, so. - Well, and I think

Tiffani:

that's where those coping skills come into play of with disappointment, with

Tiffani:

excitement, with good days and bad days. How do I regulate? How do I maintain my

Tiffani:

balance in a world filled with chaos, right? - Right. when you can't always regulate

Tiffani:

the reaction of the people around you and sometimes the reactions are not healthy.

Tiffani:

But how can I regulate myself? And there's not one answer, there's a million

Tiffani:

different answers, but I think the key is figuring out who you are, figuring out

Tiffani:

what do you need to feel safe, what do you need to feel anchored, what do you

Tiffani:

need to feel heard and healthy and validated, and that might change depending on

Tiffani:

what season you're in, but being willing to ask yourself those questions, because I

Tiffani:

know a lot of times we're worried about how can you ask questions that you don't

Tiffani:

know to ask, and maybe you've never been in a situation where you have this many

Tiffani:

stressors, all at once, and so being willing, like Kirk said, to give yourself

Tiffani:

forgiveness, to be new at something and to try and to really figure out what are

Tiffani:

my coping skills and maybe the answer is nothing. And so that's the case of saying

Tiffani:

okay well now I've got my goal. My goal is to figure out when I'm feeling

Tiffani:

frustrated, when I'm feeling overwhelmed, what anchors me? Is it journaling? Is it

Tiffani:

taking a walk? Is it a lot of different things? And being intentional about

Tiffani:

practicing those skills because the more you practice them the more they're gonna

Tiffani:

feel second nature and sometimes you'll even think oh man my reaction wasn't so big

Tiffani:

and that's because you are using coping skills and not even realizing that you're

Tiffani:

using coping skills. Right exactly exactly so these are some things that you know

Kirk:

the minding the basics you know just keep I think the again,

Kirk:

the big takeaway is being mindful of it, having some sense of a plan.

Kirk:

It doesn't, again, it doesn't have to be perfect. A lot of it's on sticky notes. A

Tiffani:

lot of it's on sticky notes. And like part of that minding the basics, that

Tiffani:

mindfulness is that self-monitoring, right? We've said many times, your body, your

Tiffani:

mind, they're all connected, physical health and mental health merge in a million

Tiffani:

different ways. And so when you are feeling frustrated, take a minute and assess,

Tiffani:

"Well, how's my body feeling, right? Am I feeling anxious? Am I feeling tingly? Am

Tiffani:

I feeling tired?" And really being responsive to what you need because you're going

Tiffani:

to know more than anyone else how something's affecting you and just being aware and

Tiffani:

realizing that your feelings are valid and instead of pushing them down and

Tiffani:

compressing them and ignoring them, acknowledging them, and giving yourself what you

Tiffani:

need to feel healthy. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Tiffani:

Well, thank you so much for joining us today on our minding all of these things.

Tiffani:

Now, as always, if you are local to the Polk, Highlands and Hardee area at any time,

Tiffani:

if you would like to reach out for emotional support or If you feel that you or

Tiffani:

someone you know is in crisis, you can always reach out to the Peace River Center

Tiffani:

Crisis Hotline. It's 863 -519 -3744. Maybe you live outside of our area.

Tiffani:

Maybe you live somewhere within the United States and our line is not giving it for

Tiffani:

you. You can call the National Suicide Hotline number at 988. As always,

Tiffani:

thank you for joining us and we hope to see you next time.

Kirk:

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