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I go to the ring often I was practicing my entrance and for some reason like There was I

was out line dancing and it was like funny and then I was like doing this little dance I

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was like I want to do this and like everyone's like laughing at me.

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They're like you want this to be your theme song I was like, yes I want this to be my

theme song like I don't care like whatever but then when I was practicing that and then I

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also like had dirty girl on

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Like I just kept practicing it and I was like I actually like this vibe I was like I don't

know what vibe it is cuz it's giving me like everything that I was thinking

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Lacey Lane joining us on the show today.

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Good to see you.

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Hey, how are you doing?

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I think it's a, it was a beautiful day here in New Jersey, but you just got done with Boca

Raton championship wrestling, where I can always say fondly that I remember Boca Raton.

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lived down there for a couple of years.

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My wife and I actually met down there when we were in college.

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So Boca Raton will always be very near and dear to my Although when I was there, I don't

think they were running.

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how is that as a promotion to work for it looks awesome.

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No, they're sick like they they go the whole nine for that like they just with entrances

like they have like you're like little Tron's they have the lights they have the smoke the

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pyro like I was like what he was like before I walked out he was like he's like I heard

him talking to Shane.

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He's like, yeah, we're gonna hit you with a hard pyro and whatever I'm just like standing

there and he walks over he's like, yeah, you're gonna have some smoke and I was like cool

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guy m

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I remember when I was younger, cause I grew up in Queens and I would go to, guess what you

would call the equivalent of like an indie show.

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Right.

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And it was Virgil was wrestling.

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tells you how long ago it was.

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And I was like this big crazy.

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And, I remember then they would just play whatever music they wouldn't even try to pull

someone's theme from, know, wherever they were from.

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was just whatever music we happened to have on the jukebox in the back.

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There was no pyro.

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This was in like some hall or something.

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And you're like, all right, great.

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And now all of sudden wrestling's become.

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you know, such a hot topic, such a thing like that, where I think a lot of these indie

companies are going, you know what, we got to treat these talents right.

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Cause you guys deserve to be treated right.

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So you know what, let's get the Tron.

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And if we can, if we can get the smoke machine for Lacey Lane, throw on the smoke machine

for Lacey Lane.

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Let me tell you.

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Yeah, no, it's pretty sick.

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I like how they're doing it now.

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uh

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so we're going to talk a bit about some of the entrance themes that you've used over time

and a lot of different elements of your career here.

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I'm talking about Boca Raton one more time.

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It was funny because the theme that we got to jam on together, which we'll get to a little

bit later in the interview here.

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And for those listening, check it out wherever you check out music right now.

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That is the shameless cheap plug for both you and I.

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But for that one, that was the first time that we had seen that one live and it was still

in his demo stages.

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And it was cool to be able to see like, Lacey Lane's coming out.

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And you're hearing like the first iterations of the theme.

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was, it was really cool to see that.

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So total sidebar we'll jump into a little bit later.

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So you have gone through lots of different stages in your wrestling career, but when you

first started in wrestling, what were some of the pieces of music that you used as your

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entrance theme?

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uh I think a big heavy influence was motionless and white It was uh it was America, which

was crazy I was like cuz I thought like the chanting part cuz I wanted someone to spell

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something So that's why I like I like really vibe for that song, but they're also like my

favorite band So like that was my first entrance music and then when I joined rebellion um

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that was um

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Turn Up was like another one.

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It's like that one was so sick and I used that for so long too.

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So like it was two different vibes.

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uh But those are mainly my two that I vibed with.

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And it matches actually some of the references you gave me too, because before we went in

the direction that everyone's going to be hearing from this point forward, you gave me a

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lot of things.

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You gave me electronic music.

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You gave me heavy music.

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And, you know, I'm always happy to hear what inspires wrestlers, but I was not expecting

the heavy stuff.

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No, I think that's what people forget like uh I'm like a it's like weird to say like I'm

like well rounded with that But like I'm like metal to like the core like I love metal

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like that's like my my jam But I also on the other spectrum I like country music, you

know, and my whole time spent WB was like with EDM So like I think it's very versatile I

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think it explains like just giving you that at first is like my personality all around.

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It's just all over the place

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And I love the fact that you said that you went from metal to country because that's kind

of a thing that's happened with me over the last couple of years.

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And from like a guitar playing thing, my, I guess, vocation of like my favorite style is

like heavy rock metal, that kind of stuff.

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But as I got into guitar, was like, these country guys are shredding in a way that nobody

else does.

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So I'd be remiss if before we get into everything else, what are some of your favorite

metal artists?

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And then what are some of your favorite country artists?

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I know you just said motionless and white, so we got to put them off to the side for a

second, but outside of those who are some of your favorites.

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Black veil brides ice nine kills.

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I like I like Metallica Marilyn Manson I like he breed I love uh a Starlet Drive I love

Code orange like slipknot mud vein uh

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all the biggies, all the greats.

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There you go.

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yeah I I mess with the heart like I remember back in high school like that was my thing

like I was so into corn back in the day and my first ever band was Was all-american

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rejects and other like not heavy metal but like for any kind of like punk rock cuz I was

like really into punk rock too so it was like it was uh it was a All-american rejects and

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the Academy is and like the used and then like it switched over and then now we're like at

like world alive upon a burning body and you know

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emotionless and who I hate like just crazy, you know and now like new age like I really

like I really enjoy like sleep theory and bad omen and like, you know, like there's just

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so many that I just it's so many nostalgic like, you know oh

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And newer and whatnot but like with country obviously like Luke Bryan and and all those,

know Toby Keith and just those kind of you know saying like Keith Urban and you know,

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those are like my jams and there's a couple of new stuff like Lenny Cooper has a lot of

good stuff and I don't know if people consider that like country rap or like whatever that

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is has a lot of good jams uh Yeah, no, it's it's cool, but it's like what you can dance to

like we're out here dancing to uh

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to friggin, I don't know, like to what is it called?

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What is his name?

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uh Jay Sean, you know what saying?

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You can answer anything at this point for country, you know?

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Now I ask you this because this was my kind of go into country.

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For me, when I was a young and very much listening to similar things there, you know, I

kind of went from the real heavy stuff into more punk, like what we call melodic hardcore,

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like, you know, a Wilhelm scream, like that kind of stuff.

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like rise against.

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And so those were always bands that really resonated with me.

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And I remember being young and being like, yo, I wouldn't be caught dead listening to

country.

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Like, what are you talking about?

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It took me until like three years ago to be like, you know what?

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Okay.

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Brad Paisley is just the master in all the ways.

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And, um, I went out to one of these music conventions and again, kind of still a little

bit like getting into country, but not being super into it.

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And all of a sudden I got asked to play on stage with my cousin's cover band at this place

called the ranch and a great band.

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plays just all the music in all the ways, but they had me on stage doing country girl on

it.

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I'm just like, country girl, shake it for me.

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Okay.

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And I was just like, this song, this song vibes, man.

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were you kind of like, I was into metal and you couldn't catch me dead in country or you

just always super open into all the different styles.

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I think everyone thinks it's like just a bunch of like twang and like, know, like kind of

whatever I like but like new age country like the way it's evolved is like, you know, it

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makes it like enjoyable obviously I like, you know, you know the the old school, you know

and the slow stuff like I listen to your church and stuff and his stuff like whatever but

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you know, like it's just for me I I didn't I didn't like it cuz that was my mentality and

I was a Dixie chicks who like uh who they had one song and then uh

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My other song, my first ever country song was Barbecue Stain on my white t-shirt.

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uh And that's where I feel like uh that really got me into it because I was doing uh

sports medicine with a baseball team.

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They were like, well, let's go to this country bar.

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And then I heard that song and one of the Dixie Chicks songs.

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then from there, then my whole thing evolved.

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And I was like, this is really cool.

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I was like, didn't know I would like it like this.

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when you're so into different styles, it's almost just like, over time, even if you're

someone like me, who's just like, you know, no country, eventually, you end up liking it

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all.

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Because there's always something that pulls at your heartstrings.

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I've always told people I'm like, listen, most of these soft songs that you listen could

totally be a punk song.

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You could totally turn it to a metal song, you turn it into a country song.

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It's like, if the vibe is the vibe and the music is good.

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That's what you dig on.

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So totally.

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who I've taken have not liked country at all and then everyone I've taken to the the

country road with me has ended up liking so much like and I'm like, yeah exactly.

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There's no reason to be hating on it at all.

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So.

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So if you see Lacey Lane, ladies and gentlemen, know that you got about a 50 % chance of

converting into being a country person also.

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Just saying, just putting that out there right now.

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So you end up coming to WWE and you go through the Mae Young Classic and then obviously

your tag team with KC.

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And we'll talk a little bit about that too.

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Katana Chance for those who are familiar with the name there.

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Kayden Carter, familiar with your work in WWE.

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In terms of when you join the Mae Young Classic, we'll start there, because I had Lindsay

Dorado talking about the Cruiserweight Classic.

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Lindsay is somebody who I've written a theme for before also, and he's had some

interesting stories about the selection of some of the music within what we call the

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classic series, like Cruiserweight, Mae Young, all that kind of stuff.

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When you go into the Mae Young Classic, talk to us a little bit about how that theme came

into play, because I know that at that time,

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They weren't really writing themes custom for the Mae Young people, correct?

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Yeah, we got to pick it we got to like we had like a lot of say and like what it was um

but I wanted something uh

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Like not like dark but like because transitioning for my character it was like it was uh I

remember I had this like lucha character.

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She was called like Reynada Calavera It was only for one show, but it was for Dark Horse

um And it was really cool and I remember wanting to be in that dark character.

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I had the mask I had the hood I had the eyes and everything so we wanted to go into a

darker direction.

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So that's the one that we picked

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for that one, which I thought was cool.

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I thought it was like mystery.

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I thought it served like, you know, like not dark and ominous, but like, you know, like

ninja assassin.

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don't know.

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Superhero, dark villain.

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I don't know.

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And it's one of those things too, where it's just like, I feel like I've talked to a

couple people on the show who have gone through Mae Young classic Mercedes Martinez, I've

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worked with her, she's been on the show too.

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And when I think about those classics, right, I'm just kind of classifying Cruiserweight

and Mae Young kind of in a similar vein here.

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But I feel like when you go through those, it's such an interesting way of like character

development, because what you come out of from the Mae Young classic,

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may be a little bit different than what you're going into it as.

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Yeah, no, definitely.

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I think that like that was just like you you're trying to figure out like what's your vibe

and like what it is, know, but like so many things change over time that like cause you to

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do that like it's not like unless it works So, you know saying unless it's like the most

over thing I can imagine like someone wanting to keep whatever they had there But I don't

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I'm just it's like hard to believe that anyone in the Mayong classic kept there Besides

maybe Mako because I feel Mako's a legend.

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So like, you know, I don't know who else would

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if anyone else kept the original identity that they had starting in mid-young.

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Yeah, I forget if Mercedes did, although I know when I first started working with her when

she had gone to TNA, I think she really liked her Mae Young theme and she was like, hey,

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something kind of ish like this.

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And if you listen to the themes that have gone over time with that, it's all, I don't want

to say representative of that.

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I coin what we've come up with now as the Mercedes Martinez melody, which if you listen

to, I guess you could even start from there, the CFO, whoever wrote that one, right?

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You guys can check me in the.

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comments, ladies and gentlemen, but all the way to now, now it's kind of transitioned to

something else, right?

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But with you then you come out of the Mae Young classic, and then you start doing lots of

different things, including what many may be familiar with your tag team with Katana

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Chance, Casey Catanzaro, both pre and post WWE as well.

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And you guys had a couple of different themes.

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Obviously, you had life of the party.

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You had party all the time.

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And when I was looking it up, was like, okay, cool.

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Here's the names of all the different themes.

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But I think one theme was one that was just transitioned with a little bit of different

intro, which is something that's not too uncommon in themes.

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Now, in terms of some of the themes you got to work on or some of the themes that you used

in that tag team, how much input did you guys have in terms of being able to use or how

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much input did you guys have in terms of that theme music?

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I can't remember the name of it.

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Whatever.

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I think victory March was my song.

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There's one after it was our first one and it sounded like I don't even know it sounded

like an all-american thing mixed with my thing and Like that one we had they were just

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like we have this for you Like that one was just like here you go.

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Like we think this would work.

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So we listen to it made it work, whatever

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But then after that we were switching we had given inspo of like who like oh Basically of

artists and like tiesto was like the big inspiration and the song was break the house down

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and like that it's crazy because coming from that song when they developed our song end up

being a tiesto song like that actual The the actual tone of that is a song that he did

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with I can't remember who he did it with is a collab song But I was like, this is the same

exact beat.

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It was like that

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I was like that's so like it's just it was like a very scary I wish I could talk to him in

person one day and tell him that like the inspiration came from one of his older songs but

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it turned into like a whole new song with the same exact beat which is crazy and I don't

think it was on purpose because it came out after ours our thing came out so I was like

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however he picked the sound beat or whoever put that sound beat was crazy

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So there is some sort of like connection to Tiësto and that's a great one too.

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Tiësto is not someone I've been pulled to as a reference yet for entrance scenes, but

someone that was very much someone I listened to when I was much younger.

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So shout out to Tiësto on that.

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That's awesome.

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And so you talked also about Victory March a little bit, because Victory March I should

have brought up before was the theme you used before the tag team also.

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so that was like a version I feel like it was like in the same realm of like what I had

before that So like I think that we that was like the work of transitioning because there

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I was starting to modify my character at that point anyways um So it was just like I was

trying to try something new I wanted to see what was working because it's like, know,

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whatever tells you if it works or not So like I don't know like I didn't know if it was

like working or not Like that's just the thing is like I didn't know like so that's why we

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were just making a transition I'm trying to really think of like

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how that song even came about.

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Like I don't even remember being like, I need to change it or something like that.

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But I think my song always ended up in something.

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So it was like when I did the first one, I think it ended up in like one of those like,

like a cold commercial, know, something like that.

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I think it ended up in something and I was like, and then they were like, okay, well like,

like, let's just like change it a little bit.

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And then we found like victory March and then yeah.

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Right.

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Like you're kind of selecting from a library and then it shows up somewhere and you're

like, well, that's my theme, but now we got to go here.

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Yeah, totally.

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Now when you're.

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Well, when you're doing something like that, right?

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Cause it's interesting.

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And when I talk to a lot of modern talent, the conversation usually is, Hey, uh, with WWE,

they're having you choose from a library.

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And then if that gets over, then maybe they'll go ahead and make some changes to that.

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Is that, was that kind of similar when you were selecting your music over time?

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um You it's I don't even know where ours came from to be honest like I know that like I

worked with like Neil and then I and I know death rebel like was like a part of it and

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whatnot but I know that like we did go back and forth we're like there was like this

certain beat and we're like take this out or like can you add this here or like is that

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there so we had a lot of input in that uh like but I don't know if like

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Super custom like if it's a band I think on that level where it's like like let's say like

Rhea like with motionless and white like that's that's a whole nother like unique monster

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of like how that theme can come to somebody or like with priestess, know with his you

know, I just feel like there's so many factors that like come into play but like I mean at

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least we have some kind of input but like a whole custom song is like, you know, that's a

whole nother level

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course.

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Yeah.

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And I do like the fact though that you're saying that there was some input, you know, and

it's, funny because it goes all over the gamut, right?

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I've heard people say I've had lots of input on my entrance theme and specifically with

WWE, right?

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When you're working with someone like me or an entrance composer, you have as much

feedback as the communication that you deliver, which by the way, for those who don't know

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Lacey Lane is a great communicator when it comes to all of this.

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Um, I love the fact that it's just, every time I talk to wrestlers, they're like, I hope

I'm not being too much.

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No.

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You're awesome.

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The more you tell me, the more you tell us, the more your theme is going to be what you

need.

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So I always appreciate that.

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But, um, but it's crazy because I hear the gamut of, was given a theme and I heard it

right when I walked out or I hear, no, no, no, there was a big back and forth between

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whoever was doing the entry theme at the time there.

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So it's always interesting to hear like different people who have come from, you know, WWE

and done that to hear what their experience was.

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And.

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You know, with this theme set that you had for you and Katana chance, it changed a little

bit over time when you were doing NXT 2.0, when you ended up doing just everything that

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you've done with that team and you guys had influence there, it sounds like too.

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yeah, definitely.

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So with that one, and I know that you were going through a little bit of a character

transition at that time.

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Um, what was the feedback that you got from, I'll ask you like this.

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What was the, what theme song that you've had, do you think had the best response from the

crowd?

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I mean it definitely had to be you know party all the time I think because or well I mean

life of the party is just a version I think there's a two different they're the same but

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different versions uh So I just think that oh both of those oh Because it just seemed like

more crowd participation I feel like I feel like it was so different I feel like it was

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just it was more unique because I we were just trying to get away from being like Having

like the same kind of style that everyone else had so like I mean I don't see anybody out

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there trying to like you know jam with

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like some EDM music like you know I'm saying it's like people forget like EDM is like one

of the biggest like kind of like things in the world like genres like I mean you have like

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for just a tomorrow and there's like over the course of like a weekend there's over a

million people there like who says they have over a million people attending an event or

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like EDC where it's over you know 500,000 you know saying that's crazy that's like blowing

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any kind of wrestling, UFC fight sporting event numbers out of the water.

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You know what saying?

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In person.

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That's like an in person thing.

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That doesn't count who's listening to it.

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You know what saying?

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it's like, was really hyped for that.

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And I feel like some people can resonate with that.

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And a lot of people said, oh, the party thing wasn't good.

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I was like, no, it would get over if it was put out there the way we wanted it to be.

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You know what saying?

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I get it.

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It's not for everybody, but it's a different feel.

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Everyone's not like this.

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You know what saying?

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Everyone's like just the same as like a lot of people won't like that.

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Like I just you know, I just wanted to bring something different I just uh I think and I

think that was the best one to be fair

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Yeah.

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And I would agree with that too.

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I think that also it kind of matched what you guys were doing.

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And that's an obvious statement, right?

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You you guys were very high energy and you know, in that tag team, I think that, you know,

in a lot of ways you were an innovator in the WWE style of women's wrestling, because I

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think everybody would see, okay, you guys are coming out together.

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You have these amazing tag moves.

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You have this amazing entrance.

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You guys are coming out.

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You got this awesome music.

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And there was so much that you guys brought to the table.

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And I felt like.

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the music amplified that, which I've always said the music has to amplify the character,

the character has to amplify the music, right?

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It's not one or the other.

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The music can do a lot.

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But I've even talked to talents before that are just like, hey, the music that I'm using

needs to have these cues.

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And I love it when we talk about having those cues because then it gets you involved and

then it gets the crowd involved and things like that.

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So exactly what you're saying.

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Yeah, I think that all makes sense.

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And then we come to the most recent theme, which is, and

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then we get to you coming out to AEW challenging one Mercedes Monet.

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And first off.

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Great match.

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First off, um, second to that though, again, talking about the different styles of music

somewhat, because this was before that we had met or maybe around the time or whatever the

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case may be.

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We haven't started working on your theme yet, right?

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And you came out to something fairly heavy there.

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I have no idea what I came out to.

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I could not hear anything.

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They were so, I kid you not, I was like, what did I come out to?

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I literally had to keep asking everybody.

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I was like, what was the song?

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Because I didn't know.

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Like I couldn't hear a thing out there.

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I don't know what it was.

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I don't know if it was like the energy, but I couldn't even tell you what kind of genre

that was.

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Like I didn't, like, well, apparently it was heavy because I had no idea.

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Even coming into this interview, I was just like, all right, Lacey Lane AEW theme, and

there's nothing on it.

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So it might've been one of the tracks they have cataloged in the library there for.

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a couple, especially with Mina, had something completely different than there was another

match that I had, like a dark match, I'm just like, I don't know, I like, I'm just gonna

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do the same.

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Actually, I'm not trying to do the same thing, which is funny, because I feel like maybe I

looked awkward, because I didn't know what I was coming out to.

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So then I'm just out there doing, I'm free-lancing it, I'm just like, well, this sucks.

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But then after that, I just was like, okay, I'm just gonna do the same thing, no matter

what the, whatever the song is, we're just gonna do the same entrance, it'll be fine.

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And that's a gimmick then, right?

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It's just, you just come out to something new every single time.

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It's like, what's she supposed to be doing?

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I don't know.

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Just go with it.

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Just go with it.

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But now, but now you don't have to worry about that because you have, go for a ride,

right?

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Which is the theme that we've gotten to jam on a little bit.

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And first off, just having you on the other side of the camera here and being able to say

it to you, I'm always really just happy when I get to work with other talents and it's

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always super cool.

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So thank you.

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for entrusting me with your theme, um, goes without saying.

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And it's been such a cool time to work with you.

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So when we started talking, it was Justin over at United Wrestling Network, who was just

like, Hey, Lacey needs a theme.

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And then you had the Facebook thing up and then we got connected.

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And it was funny because I tell people all the time, like they'll tag me on Facebook to

work on people's themes if they have a post up.

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And I'm like, Hey, you mind connecting us in a messenger thing just because.

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You know, Facebook can be weird.

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It's going to go to an inbox and whatever.

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And then you messaged back immediately.

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I was like, yeah, Justin, don't worry about it.

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Thank you.

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Good, good talk, bro.

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But that was a, that was a cool one to work on.

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uh, you know, whenever I get to work on electronic themes like that, it's always something

coming from a bit of a heavier background where I'm like, okay, cool.

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Like, let's see where this goes.

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But again, you had such a clear vision on where you want it to go.

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So for you coming into this coming off of everything that you've done, what were you

thinking of in terms of.

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the theme that we worked on together.

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Didn't have I was getting so frustrated because like I just

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Everyone kept asking me for a theme song and I was like, I don't know I was like, I don't

know I like I didn't want to go back and like go to my old one and I was like I don't know

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what I want to do I was like, I don't know what direction but we were I was I had like I

go to the ring often I was practicing my entrance and for some reason like okay There was

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I was out line dancing and it was like funny and then I was like doing this little dance I

was like I want to do this and like everyone's like laughing at me.

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They're like you want this to be your theme song I was like, yes I want this to be my

theme song like I don't care like whatever but then when I was practicing that and then I

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also like had dirty girl on

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Like I just kept practicing it and I was like I actually like this vibe I was like I don't

know what vibe it is cuz it's giving me like everything that I was thinking I'm not saying

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it's like a rock version But it is it has like a little bit of rock has a little bit of

sexy It has a little bit of country.

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It has like a lot of like, you know, it just like a lit up beat I don't know like it's all

in one and I remember I was like scared to do it and then I when I was in the Philippines

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was the first time that I did use it and because like I asked somebody else and she said

oh I like this song.

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She said just try it and I was like, okay I'll try it and I tried I was like, oh, I like

this vibe.

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I was like, okay, this is

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Like it's it's me in box in one because that's what a lot of people say is like they'll

like look at one thing and they'll be like that is you and then look at another thing.

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That's like, that's you too But that all in one was the most comfortable I felt with a

song so like I wanted Just to have that just because again, I practiced it so much to that

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song which I didn't realize it would become a thing But then once I actually did it for a

crowd it just it was they were there they were clapping They were for it and then I was

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like, okay, let's try it again And then I went to Singapore and I did it again and they

were for

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again and I was like okay this is really catching with everyone so like let's do it and

that's just how that came about

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I love that.

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And it's one of these things too, that when a lot of wrestlers will give me like

references, right?

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I want my theme to be like this.

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We obviously are creating themes that are meant for you, the talent, but it was the same

kind of vibe as we were talking about this entire interview, right?

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It's been like, okay, cool.

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I like this, but I like this, but I like this.

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And it was like, I like this song and it was a CDM song.

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And then, I like this song and it's a super heavy song.

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And I'm sitting there just like, my God.

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All right, cool.

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So I'm hoping I get the first one, at least like the general vibe.

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And I'm glad that we hit that upfront.

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Yeah.

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And there have been a couple of different versions that we've done of that song, um, which

now you hear the final version on streaming and live and anywhere that Lacey Lane is

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wrestling.

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So it's really cool to see where that came.

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And for me being able to tag in the ever so reliable Jasmine Denise to be able to drop

some vocals on that.

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that was a cool one too.

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So for you as, and this is an interesting one, as you're trying these things to the ring,

we're having a conversation, right?

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And we've gone through multiple versions.

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Like we're talking about, there was something that it was like, okay, cool.

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I need this.

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Okay.

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I need this, but there's this little thing for you.

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What do you feel like was the thing that was missing until we went, you know what puzzle

piece fixed snap.

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think it was like the tempo I feel like it was like the kind of like the like the cadence

of it all because it was like I wanted so bad for it to be because like I said my steps

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and my like the cadence that I've like developed was for dirty girl so like I like it was

because like I remember like when we like it's crazy how words can change the whole

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dynamic because it felt so fast you're like no it's the same beat I'm like is it like you

know saying but then once we took it out and and however we got to where we were I was

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like okay this is

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way more and then the more people that I was like, okay, what do you guys think and

they're like, okay, it sounds like this like it's like we're getting to that point.

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And I think that's what I said.

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I said, I think I don't think everyone has to have like all these lyrics.

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I don't think it's necessary sometimes you know I'm saying like, um I don't need to sing

my whole entire theme song on my whole way out to my entrance.

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It's just not it's not necessary.

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it's funny you say that too, because I always start from a place of no vocals.

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And, you know, I think it comes from my side of kind of being, and I always say it like

this, that I'm more composer than producer.

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And the way I've always described that was producers are, and by the way, everyone will

let me know where my right or wrong is on this, like producers are people that are really

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about the full soundscape, I would believe in terms of like the editing, the mixing, all

the sound effects, things like that.

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And I'm always like, that's great.

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I always feel like I'm producer second, but composer first, meaning it's really about the

architecture of the song and it's about, you know, the instrumentation and things like

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that, the melody.

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So for me, I've always felt like I started there.

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since I've become, you know, friends with like downstate and people like that and heard

their take, they do it from a very different perspective, right?

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They obviously hit what the talent wants, but a lot of their songs have lyrics and it's

because again, Zach is an incredible vocalist and it always, they're like, well, it paints

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a wrestler story.

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And I've always been about that.

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But I've always been like, you don't need to have lyrics in an entrance theme for it to be

powerful.

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It's like you said, it has to match the vibe.

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has to match what you're looking for.

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And you can use songs that have vocals to describe the character, but then you can also,

but also remember that the more things you add, the more happens to the song.

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So we had a pass that had a full line of verses, a whole line of choruses.

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And you know, you kept hitting me up.

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You were like, it's too fast.

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It's too fast.

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I'm like, I'm not.

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I'm like, I'm literally matching the tempo of this.

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And then we took the vocals out and you're like, that's it.

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And I'm like, okay, cool.

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All I had to do was hit mute.

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Awesome.

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uh But yeah, no, I love that.

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And being able to see you hit it at Boca Raton was really cool for the first time too,

because we were rushing to get that theme done.

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And by the way, ladies and gentlemen, there are many times where it will take a month to

get a theme done to a month.

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Sometimes there are times where it take a few weeks.

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There are times when

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people like Lacey who are ultimately busy are just like, I need this done.

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And I'm not snapping.

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You didn't snap at me.

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I'm just making it snappy to make this snappy.

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But you know, it's sometimes things need to be turned around a little bit.

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And I know that the, Boca Raton guy was getting on you to get something.

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So I'm glad that I'm glad we got there.

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Yeah, no and especially it was hard to communicate being in another country in a different

time zone like we're trying to figure everything out and like you're sleeping I'm awake.

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I'm sleeping you're awake.

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I'm just like there's just so much going on I'm like, okay.

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Well, we just got to figure it out

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I didn't even know you were abroad.

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was just sending you messages.

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I'm like, Oh, what do you think of this?

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What do you think of this?

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All let me drop one more message.

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And then you would drop me a message at like two in the morning.

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And at one point you're like, Oh, I'm sorry.

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I was sick and I'm in Philippines.

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I'm like, Oh my God.

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I didn't even know where you were.

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I know I didn't like announce like my whole little toy.

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didn't even know like it just happened so fast and I was like, okay Well, I guess we're

here now.

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So

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I love that.

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So again, with this theme, everyone can go check it out wherever they check it out.

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And you know, it's Apple, that's Spotify, that's YouTube.

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That's all the different places, ladies and gentlemen, and wherever you catch Lacey going

forward in the world of professional wrestling.

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one thing I wanted to ask you upfront here too.

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For you, what are some of the most important things in an entrance theme and what have

been some of your favorite entrance themes over your over time?

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I mean, I feel like it's so catchy.

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feel like I always said like if you had a grand entrance, that's why I push so hard for us

to have like such a cool entrance.

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Cause I could care about anything else.

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I like, remember sending like videos and like I show like the stages, the sets.

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was like, here's the lights, here's the smoke.

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here's this.

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If you have that, everyone can't help but feel good.

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Like I, I feel like when people see that kind of stuff and it's unfortunate, like we

didn't make it that far with ours, but I think like it's like a hook.

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It's something that people can participate in.

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Like people, you know, they get wowed by.

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Like I think that's why like I think that's why people love the rumble because it's like,

you know, like well another rumble but like the countdown is like something is you know

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saying to see who's next and who's like theme song hits but it's kind of goes like

coincides with a regular entrance where it's like like let's say like the brood it's like

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coming out from like with fire and looking like vampires and like whatever like that's so

cool or like Jericho with the countdown and the lights and the jacket, know I'm saying

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like I I love stuff like that.

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Um, because I feel like it's like catchy people can just like, you know either

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feel involved they can feel like some kind of emotion in it like you feel scared or you

feel like it's like fantasy or like we're now we're like you know like I don't know it's

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just there's so much that is just so cool about just different entrances to me you know

Cody's you know everyone knows the lyrics they can chant now here's the pyro and they got

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it down to a T like you know there's just so many cool things that that that are involved

in entrance but it's like really like getting the crowd to like really like feel like

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they're a part of it I think is the most important thing

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And I feel like entrances have changed over time too.

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You you think back to like the seventies and the eighties and even before that where it

was just like a lot of guys didn't have entrance music or if they did, it was a popular

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song and they hope they don't get sued by playing it.

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You know, now it's become because wrestling has become such a production where it's like

you have it on streaming, you have it on TVs.

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It's like now it is something that you need.

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And I just talked to Brian Myers on the show who I've written music for and he was even

saying he goes, you know, think back like four or five, six years.

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No one had custom entrance music, but now you're talking about like, can't be caught dead

without it because of all the streaming and every wrestler is kind of their own

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independent product right now.

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So it's like, everybody kind of needs something custom.

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And it's a, it's really cool because now you guys have such more control over the

characters that you portray with all the different wrestling that's out there.

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Exactly and I feel like that's just important because it's like you're your own person.

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You're your own business You know, you're your own brand and like that like is a big

identifying moment to you like a lot of people like always came up to me when I was doing

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mean greets and was like like I just doing this and I'm like, okay, so it's something

that's catchy like you know I'm saying so it's like things you do or like how people can

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participate in however is like it's so important to people, you know, so

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Like I said the the brood honestly, I love vampires and that was like such like a little

fantasy I love like Lost Boys the vampire in Brooklyn and like interview with a vampire

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like those are like things growing up like you know like That like coincide with that.

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That was so cool.

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I did like Jericho's obviously stone colds because like the glass shattering is just like,

know It's just something so they're obviously undertaker always getting like that like,

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you know bone-chilling like just excited for that, you know definitely the Hardys cuz

that's just

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We just rock out to that, you know um But yeah, those are like some of my top like I just

really like I feel like I was sad um because I watched the it was like when WWE Network

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had the thing and I used to love watching like the choices of the top entrances just

because it was like you could sit there and be like I like this I didn't like this like or

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whatever but like some of my favorites ended up in there So I knew I made some good

decisions of liking who I did

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And the Hardys have had like so many over time too, depending on like what promotion

they're in or what character they're portraying.

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And it's just like, it's cool to see them continue over time and have some awesome ones.

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So good choices all around.

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last question.

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to do a to do Bubba and D-von's obviously they're my teachers and I thought that would be

so cool like if like we did like a whole scenario where they like recruited us and we

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became like the Dudley girls and then like we did the whole little Like, know, thought

it'd be cool.

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But yes, sorry

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be, who would be your side Dudley girl then?

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If you had to choose any wrestler.

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wow, I would just thought me and me and Casey would be that like Like I that's where I

told that to a bubba.

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I was like bubba I was like I want to like, you know, I think it just it fits you guys are

attack team We're attack team like we're like, you know, like I think this would be a good

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marriage here

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Although we'd have to see you do some sort of like flipping 3D off the ropes because that

would be just such a beautiful merge of both you and the W boys.

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we were trying to do, I can't remember.

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I used to come up with some crazy ideas and I can't remember what I told her, but it was

something along the lines of like me giving her the 3D to give to someone else, if that

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made sense.

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I don't know.

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m

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hear, you hear Lacey, you hear her.

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Let's make this happen.

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Cause we can make it happen now.

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Let's make it happen.

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So before we have you go, we're going to go ahead and do two quick segments here that I

have everybody do on the show.

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So we're going to do a little bit of music city rumble where you get to choose musicians

to fight each other in the squared circle.

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So it is your opportunity.

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to book one men's singles match, one women's singles match, and one tag team match of

musicians versus musicians.

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Who would they be and who goes over?

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So the floor is yours for our first one with our men's singles match.

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Yeah, is this any musician that is out there?

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Any musician alive or dead?

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Oh see that changes a lot of things because this is so opposite that I would have like of

course motionless and white versus Michael Jackson He can moonwalk away, it's okay

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I was gonna say who go first off you got to choose who goes over on that one But if

Michael Jackson's moonwalking away sounds like he forfeits

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yeah, yeah, you know I could see him I could see him like with the band pulling up and

they look crazy and then he just uh Wouldn't by count out

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Isn't there a wrestler now that also does the Michael Jackson impersonation?

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there is it's really cool.

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It's really cool I I there was actually someone in Singapore who that used to be a gimmick

of his and then he When I went to Singapore for Halloween, he actually was like, oh like I

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used to do this and I was like, are you gonna do something fun?

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I was like, are you gonna moonwalk?

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I was like, are you gonna like get on your tippy toes?

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And he's like no and I was like then why are you cosplaying Michael Jackson?

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So now we got our women's one-on-one match.

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Who are my favorites?

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Who do I listen to?

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Ooh Okay, let's do okay.

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I got this let's do because this seems like a fair match.

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Let's do Ariana Grande versus Taylor Swift

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Ooh, who wins that one?

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Let's go with Ari.

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She was spicy as cat and victorious.

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So I think it'll be yeah.

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There you go.

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Taytay, I'm sorry.

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You've been on this podcast a couple of times.

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You've been on Music City Rumble a couple of times.

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And I forget how many times you've gone over, but today is not one of those days.

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And now you got the tag team match.

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So you book a band versus a band.

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Who's going over and who are your choices?

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Okay, a band versus a band.

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Let's do Black Veil Brides versus Sleep Theory.

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And let's go with black veil brides over.

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Sorry sleeper

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See, that's just like the deep cut for you, though.

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You're like, they're always going to win no matter who else they're against.

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Love that one.

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Last question I got for you before we end our show here.

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If you had to choose three songs to put on a playlist that represent you, the person, what

would those three songs be?

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It'd be motionless and white burned at both ends walk a flock of no hands And uh Lou

Brian, that's my kind of night

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Oh man, that is the quickest that anybody has ever chosen songs.

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Oh man.

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Those are like my favorite.

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Well, I have like literally like no matter where I am, like line dancing in the gym, like

no hands is like my jam.

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Like I will never get tired of that song.

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motionless and white has forever been at both ends has been my favorite song which I

wanted to use as a theme in the beginning but I could never because it's just too hardcore

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and doesn't have like any kind of like chill in it like to be able to use that and look

obviously like that's just my countryside I've always loved that song it's you know I'm

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saying like that's been one of the songs I've loved to dance to and I think all three as a

unit it just describes me as like a person in one little ball so

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I love that.

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And by the way, ladies and gentlemen, if Lacey Lane ever does decide to go back to the

dark side, will we have a heavy metal version of let's go for a ride?

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You bet your ass we will.

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100%.

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You know, and we'll see how that goes.

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Keep it low tuned, all that kind of stuff.

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It'll be awesome.

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In fact, maybe we'll just make one.

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Just to say we'll satisfy all the Lacey Lane things and then make a country one.

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It'll be great.

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So, Lacey.

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It has been awesome having you on the show and it's been an honor working with you on this

one.

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And thank you so much for joining us today.

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No, thank you for having me.