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All right, so the last presentation for day two is Jacob
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Lloyd, who was talking about using
the internet for your investigations.
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So thank you for being here.
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Jacob Lloyd: Yeah,
thank you for having me.
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DrG: So before we go into, into your
topic, can you let our audience know
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who you are and you know what you do?
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Jacob Lloyd: Yeah.
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So, um, I'm the executive director of the
Animal Welfare Investigations Project.
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So we're an NGO that investigates
organized, animal crimes.
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So everything from dog fighting to,
to puppy farming to wildlife crime,
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you name it, we investigate it.
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Um, been involved in covert
investigations, particularly using
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the internet for the last 12 years.
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Um, yeah, that's me.
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DrG: So you're, you're chat was basically
about how to use the internet and
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how to use things like social media
and that kind of stuff to learn, so
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can you run us through the process?
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Jacob Lloyd: Yeah.
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Um, so, so with internet investigations,
what, what you really wanna do, I is split
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it into several processes if you like.
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So you're looking at data collection,
um, analysis, and then the reporting,
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or, what, whatever that product
right end product's gonna be.
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Right?
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Um, and, and then in terms of that
process, the way you can go through
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it with data collection, it's
about using, ethical, transparent
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techniques and tactics to collect
that information from the internet.
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And then you're gonna analyze
it, you're gonna grade it, you're
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gonna look at the provenance of it.
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Um, and then you can produce some
form of product, whether that's, you
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know, to support an application for
a search warrant, or whether that's
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to produce in a criminal trial.
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DrG: So one thing is like, there are
a lot of people that go out there and
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try to do their own investigations,
and I know like even like pulling,
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have you seen that kind of stuff?
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Jacob Lloyd: Don't fuck with cats.
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DrG: Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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So how safe is it for people to
use their own personal social
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media to do these things?
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Jacob Lloyd: Yeah, I, I
wouldn't recommend it.
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I, I think especially in, in
a professional setting, go,
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go seek out that training.
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There are free resources.
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We offer free training to law enforcement
agencies and humane societies and so on,
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across the United States and globally.
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Um, so, so reach out to those
resources and, and we can support you
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in building those covert accounts or
whatever in terms of the training.
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I think, you know, if, if you're
just an interested crime geek, and
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maybe you are researching somebody,
get on YouTube, there's, there's
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a lot of resources on there.
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But, um, yeah, just be mindful that, you
know, the internet works both ways, right?
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DrG: Yeah.
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And there are people that think that
there are some, some things that are
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really private and that nobody will
know what you're ever talking about.
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But that's kind of not true, right?
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Jacob Lloyd: Absolutely not true.
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Uh, especially here in the United States.
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That there's a lot of data out there.
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Your data is being sold, transferred.
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I I I always say that, if you download
something like a free game, uh,
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free game app, you are, the product.
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Nothing's free.
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So you opt into that,
that privacy policy, boom.
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You are being traded, so
yeah, you're not safe.
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DrG: Yeah.
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Because I mean, they're getting
your information and then.
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So much ads and so many commercials,
and you start seeing some things
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that are like tailored to you.
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Absolutely.
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And it's like, how do they know?
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Jacob Lloyd: Yeah.
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And, and, and that all comes back
down to the fact that you become,
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that, that product, it all comes down
to it because the moment you're opt
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into that privacy policy, they're
tracking even where you are clicking.
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You know, they're
tracking your interaction.
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How much time you are spending,
and so on and so forth, right?
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You look at loyalty schemes.
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You go into Walmart, what, whatever
store that you want to, you wanna
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reference, and you have a loyalty card.
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Well, now I know what you, you
spend your money on, right?
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It's powerful data, um,
that can be bought and sold.
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DrG: As far as investigators, this is
a really good tool for them to use.
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Where can they get more information?
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You mentioned that there are
like training information, like
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how can, like, can people reach
out to you for, for assistance?
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Jacob Lloyd: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Fi find me on LinkedIn.
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Jacob Lloyd and I work for
Investigations Project.
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Find me on LinkedIn.
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Um, you can also email
me jLloyd@awp.org.uk.
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So reach out to me, um, and I'm more than
happy to point you in the right direction.
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For law enforcement, there are actually
free training resources both offered by
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us, but also through the National White
Crime Collar Center, um, here in the U.S.
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which is all run by ex law enforcement.
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That's more catered for general crimes,
and then we tailor our for animal crimes.
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DrG: Fantastic.
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Well thank you so much for being here.
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and thank you for what you do.
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Jacob Lloyd: Thank you so much.