In this episode, Chuck Anderson sits down with challenge marketing expert Alina Vincent to unpack how entrepreneurs can use five-day challenges to build visibility, attract action-taking leads, and convert more clients. Alina shares her journey from university professor and photographer to million-dollar business strategist, revealing how her first 21-day challenge helped her go from struggling coach to fully booked entrepreneur. She explains why challenges outperform PDFs and webinars, how they create trust faster, and why adding a challenge before a webinar, book launch, or event can triple conversions. If you want more leads, stronger engagement, and a simple way to monetize your expertise, this episode is your roadmap.

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Alina Vincent is a business strategist, visibility expert, and the creator of the signature five-day challenge model that has helped entrepreneurs generate leads, build authority, and scale their businesses. After leaving a 16-year university career and growing a successful photography business, she transitioned into coaching and built her business to over one million dollars in just four years using challenges. Since 2014, she has helped experts, coaches, and entrepreneurs use challenge-based marketing to attract clients and grow with simplicity and impact.

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Introduction to Five-Day Challenges

01:41 From Professor to Entrepreneur

03:48 Why Coaching Initially Failed

05:32 The First Challenge Breakthrough

08:08 What a Five-Day Challenge Really Is

17:11 Challenges vs Five Days of Webinars

21:41 Using Challenges Before Webinars and Launches

30:39 Final Advice: Just Go Do It

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Alina's Challenge Checklist: https://hq175.isrefer.com/go/ccs26/chuckanderson/

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Chuck Anderson,

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https://AffiliateManagementExpert.com/

Hello everybody and welcome back to the show.

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This is the Collaborators Unite podcast, Chuck Anderson here.

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I am your host and this is the show where we serve big impact experts.

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And that's you if you are someone who resonates with not only wanting to make money in

your business, but you wanna make a big positive impact in the lives of others and

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possibly even your community and the world.

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And so many of the people that we work with are on a mission to make a difference.

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And so along that path of making a big impact and making a difference, you're going to

want to package your expertise and you want to find ways to market yourself.

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And today's guest is someone who's been doing this.

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uh And, know, in a parallel past, I can't believe we've never met before, but she helps

people with their visibility and is known for five day challenges and being the creator of

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that.

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And if you've ever been to a five day challenge, you are in for a treat because you are

going to meet the person who kind of started us all off on that trend of using five day

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challenges in our businesses.

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And so I have Alina Vincent here with me today.

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Alina, welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Yeah, and sort of fanned out there for a moment, but that's okay.

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I'm all good and calm now.

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So go ahead and share everybody.

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I think a great place to start is your story.

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And how did it come to be that, you you're doing what you're doing now and you're again

known for challenges among other things and then what you're doing today and we'll go from

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there.

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Sure.

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So I kind of had an interesting start in business because I never thought I would ever

have a business in my life.

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I kind of grew up in a family of professors.

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our track in life was you go to school, you go to grad school, you basically stay at the

university and teach.

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And that's what I saw all around me, my parents, my grandparents.

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So growing up, I never once thought I would have a business.

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And then one thing led to another.

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So I followed that path, spent about 16 years at the university.

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And a really cool thing happened.

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I got to work for about six years there as an instructional designer.

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So creating course

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is helping people share that intellectual property they had.

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Like sharing their expertise and knowledge has always been in my blood.

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And then at one point I realized that I didn't like having a boss and I really didn't like

having somebody to tell me what I was allowed to do and having to ask permission and also

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having a ceiling on how much I could make.

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So in a brave day and a very brave day, I decided to quit my job and start my own

business.

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And back in the day, the advice was if you have a

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hobby, just turn it into a business, how hard can it be?

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And what I decided to do was start a photography studio because I've always been

passionate about photography since I was 12 years old.

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So I started that, I ran it for a few years, got into six figure business.

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Obviously it was a lot of crying, was a lot of pain because I didn't know anything about

selling, anything about marketing, but I was pretty good at what I was doing.

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And I started learning a lot about how do you get yourself visible?

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How do you attract?

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clients.

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How do you show up uh on social media and basically get those leads on clients?

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And as I was working there, I realized that it was very unscalable business because

everything in that business depended on me.

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So I had to show up.

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I had to make the sales.

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I had to take the pictures.

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I had to retouch.

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So my business just couldn't grow anymore.

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And eventually I basically started feeling that I created another job for myself.

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So I started looking for how can I make bigger and

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and work with more people.

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And I realized I needed to start creating stuff where I was working with multiple people

at the same time.

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So back in the day, at that time, my coach said, you know what, you are already working

primarily with business owners.

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So my business kind of started specializing in marketing and headshot photography.

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So majority of my clients were entrepreneurs.

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And so my coach said, do you realize that you basically being a closet coach because

people

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to you and you ask them who is your audience and who you're trying to attract and how are

you marketing and then you're charging them for just a headshot but they're coming to you

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and they're getting a lot of business advice.

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So he said you should basically become a business coach or a business strategist and I

said okay let me try that so I quit my photography studio so closed everything said no to

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all of the clients and started to build my business as a business coach and I went through

probably the worst time in my whole entire

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Entrepreneurial career because I was basically going to people and saying hey hire me.

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I'm a really good coach I have lots of things to share with you.

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I can take you to the next level and it was so generic and it was so Big like nobody knows

what it means go to the next level, right?

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So about three or four months I really struggled with attracting any clients was nobody

would say yes to working with me So I wasn't bringing a penny and I got to a point where I

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thought I should just quit all of this I wasn't

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built for this, I should quit and go back and get a job.

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And thank God I had a big awakening moment where I said, okay, so if me trying to be a

coach and selling coaching packages is not working, is there anything that people are

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actually asking me for?

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And I realized as I was building my photography business, a lot of people were asking me,

how did I get so visible on Facebook?

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How am I getting leads?

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What am I posting?

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How much I'm posting?

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And I said, let me create something that's very tangible.

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very practical and very very specific and that's how my very first challenge was born.

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So I created, uh back in the day, was 21 day challenge and I went to the same people I've

been talking about hiring me as a coach and I said what if I taught you something

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practical?

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In these 21 days I will share with you exactly how I post, where I post, what to say, how

to say it in order to get clients and within two weeks I had over 50 people sign up for

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that.

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challenge.

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So was basically the very first money I've made in this current business that I have.

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So it started with a 21-day challenge, then we created programs, we created more

challenges, we've developed our uh signature formula for five-day challenges and that's

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what we do right now.

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And that business got me from zero or basically from under zero because we were going

through our savings to over a million dollars in just the first four years.

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So that's kind of where we started and we've been doing challenges

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since 2014, I think that's when we did our very first challenge.

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Yeah, that sounds about right.

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And I think that's about the time I came across some of those challenges that you were

doing.

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And I appreciate hearing the origin story because I don't think I've heard it before.

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And I love how organically this all happened.

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And it wasn't something that you sat down and brainstormed and said, I wonder what I could

sell to the people in the coaching industry to help them.

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was, it came from your own necessity.

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and then people asking you for that.

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It reminds me of how I got started in teaching people about affiliate marketing.

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It's like I was making earning commissions by promoting other people's stuff and people

were saying, how are you doing that?

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And, you know, and so it reminds me of that.

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And I love how organically that's all happened.

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And uh and that your first one was 21 days.

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I know you're kind of known for five day challenges, or at least that's the model that

most people I think are.

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are following today, but the first one was 21 days.

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Yes.

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And I've tried seven day challenges, 30 day challenges, 10 day challenges.

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So we've experimented with that a lot.

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But yeah, right now our golden standard and what we've been teaching for close to 10 years

now has been that five day challenge model for sure.

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Well, I think a couple of things.

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Let's talk a little bit, just a high level overview of what a five day challenge is, just

in case our listeners haven't, uh maybe they've been living under a rock and they haven't

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really seen anybody doing a five day challenge.

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Let's talk about that.

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And then we'll kind of get into like, if you're going to use one, if you're gonna use the

model to market yourself and to become visible with the work that you do.

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Let's unpack that a little bit.

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But first of all, let's define what is a five day challenge.

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Sure.

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So a challenge is in general, like I didn't invent the concept of challenges.

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It's existed since the caveman days, right?

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There's probably some caveman that says, hey, I challenge you to get to that rock faster

than me, whatever it is.

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So challenge is basically a quest.

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It's a call to take action or to take part in a competition, right?

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When you are stepping out of your comfort zone, when you're trying something that you've

been thinking about, but they're not doing it.

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So the challenge by themselves is very uh addictive

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Because a lot of us, want to challenge ourselves to be bigger, to be more visible, to try

something, and then you skill to your set of skills.

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So challenges themselves, we like when somebody says, hey, I dare you do this, or let's

try to do this.

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But in terms of how we use challenges for business, it's basically a mini training.

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So in our case, it's five days, where every single day you're giving people an assignment

and a challenge.

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So you're telling them, here's what you

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to do.

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Here's how you do it and now go do it.

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And overall, so we all start on the same day, we end five days later, and it's a community

of people working towards a common goal with the instructions and directions every single

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day.

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So basically when you are signing up for a challenge, you know what is the goal you want

to accomplish.

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For example, find two affiliate partners or create an outline for your book or feel more

comfortable with public speaking.

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So whatever the goal the promise of the challenge is and every day the person who is

running the challenge Will give you a little video our format.

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We do pre-recorded videos.

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They're 10 minutes long They're not like let's get online and talk for two or three hours.

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I can't stand those type of challenges So ours is micro uh micro bytes.

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So you have these micro lessons 10 minutes to tell you here's what the thing is Here's why

it's important.

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Here's how to do it and there's an aside

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I meant the challenge of the day where you're telling people, now you go and do it.

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So every single day a person experiences a win and by the end of five days, you should

feel and see that you've accomplished the goal that you've set out to do.

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And in our formulas, uh all of our challenges are free.

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So it's basically a free five day taster.

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So somebody could come from, I've never heard of you before and five days later, get them

to a point where saying I've done more than

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last five days than I have done in the last six months in this area and where have you

been all my life and what's next.

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So you want to create so that every single challenge has to address two different goals.

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The first one is you have to deliver on your promise.

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So if you said at the end of this week, at end of the five days, you're going to create

your dating profile, people better walk away with the dating profile.

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And the second thing is to create the desire for what's happening.

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next because we're not just randomly putting five training days together we want to create

it so we solve a problem and tell people and here's your next step which is you the

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invitation to your offer

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And really as a way to generate leads and then position that and then sell your next

program or your high ticket program or whatever that is.

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Am I correct?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, when it comes to challenges, what it does really, really well is that you can start

from scratch with somebody and establish the trust.

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So challenges are incredible at helping people realize how much they want to learn from

you and creating that trust.

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And every single day you are leading them towards a win.

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And when people experience several wins in a row, usually three wins in a row, it pushes

that dopamine button and we want more.

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So people basically become

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to you and the idea of the challenge it increases your visibility, you're getting leads,

you're building your online community because there's always online community component,

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you have the social proof and people know why they need that offer that's coming up.

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of it.

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You know, I know that you've become known as the person who can help people implement this

model into their business.

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That's how I've always known of you.

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and so

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I wanted to ask a little bit, know, when people come into your world for the first time,

or maybe they're coming to your challenge or joining your program for the first time, what

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are you hearing from them?

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What's the struggle?

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What are they saying?

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Like, I wish that I could do this or I'm struggling with that.

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And then what you're teaching them is just, you know, such good positioning for that

challenge.

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Yeah,

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There's so many different things that be because we can work this challenge process works

for people who are just starting out.

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So if you look back at my story, I didn't have a list of business owners.

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had a handful of my headshot clients and that's where I started.

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So it helped me build my list.

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I didn't have any credibility in a coaching world.

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So me running my first challenge, that's what basically put me in my business on the map.

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Cause then people could see that I'm not just good behind the camera.

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I'm good at helping and taking you through the process of helping you get results.

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and clients and it helped me create my very first digital product.

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So when we have complete beginners coming in and they're saying I don't have social media

following, I don't have a list, I don't have a product, Challenges is a perfect place for

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them to start because it make it all happen in just a matter of days and they don't have

to build something for six months or wait for the results in five months or even start

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monetizing it.

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On the other hand, we have people who come to us and they already have six figure business

or multi six

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figure business or even seven figure business and they're saying I want something new.

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I want something creative.

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I want something experiential.

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I want something interactive and they already have the built-in community and they already

have credibility.

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For them it's really fast way to warm up their audience for their next offer and monetize

their existing people.

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So it works regardless of what type of business you have and what the stage of the

business is.

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So one of the, as I kind of already shared to answer your question,

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Lot of people who come to us we do tend to work with people who are still trying to get to

that six-figure uh Mark, so they have the expertise they have the experience.

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There's just not enough traction and Most of them say I don't have a list.

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Where do I start?

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So creating that very first challenge I have so many stories of people who created their

challenge and that's how they got their very first client and all in a matter of days So

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the biggest thing is like how do I break in what?

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the first thing I should do.

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And I always tell people if my business evaporated overnight...

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Let's hope it doesn't.

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But the very first thing I would do to restart it, I would run a challenge because there's

no, it's a very low cost, low tech way to start getting visibility and start getting

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momentum and start getting people who are ready to say yes to you.

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And at the same time, it's very low threshold of entry.

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All people have to give you is their email address to join the challenge and you giving

them results.

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You're giving them the training.

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So again,

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If I were to start my business completely over, would start day one with offering a

challenge.

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Mm, I love that.

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Now, if I was gonna do that, I would add to it, I would have affiliates fill the

challenge.

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And that is amazing.

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And I know that you do that also.

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And so there's no easier way than to have uh a campaign like that and have others fill it

for you.

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Yeah, it's a great model, especially if you're at zero or if you're starting over.

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And we meet so many people who...

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You you hear all the time, you know, do joint ventures and, you know, do cross promotions

and all of that.

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But how do you do that when you have no list and a challenge is a great way to help you to

build a list.

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um I wanna ask you about the distinction between a challenge.

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Now, a lot of people use the word challenge and I've attended many and they're not really

challenges.

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They're more like five day trainings with an offer at the end.

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of webinars.

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days of webinars with a pitch in the offer, maybe on day three or four, and then the

upsells.

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And what I heard you say was something completely different than even some of the more

recent ones I've attended from others, not from you.

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Make that so our audience is clear.

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But I heard you say that there should be a common goal and then bite-size tasks that lead

to that goal so that by the end you've accomplished something.

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Well, that's not five days of webinars, right?

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No, no, no, no.

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Yes.

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I'm so glad you asked that.

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Yeah.

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So we've been using our model and our model is uh based on, let me kind of back up a

little bit.

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So when I first started doing my challenges, I was way better at teaching than selling.

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And I think a lot of people we work with, they're like, I just want to share.

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I want to create an impact.

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I want to tell people my process.

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I want to create this transformation, but I hate selling.

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So if you're listening to this and it's you, put something in the comments if that's

resonating with you.

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Basically, I created a model that was easy for me to deliver.

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our model, like we'll just talk about the five day challenges, but in our model, we don't

sell until the challenge is over.

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There's no offers in between.

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You basically showing up, you're being yourself.

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You're not holding anything back.

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You choose that scope of the challenge.

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That's not like m how to create a seven figure business in five days, but like how to add

10 people to your list, how to get your first five JV partners.

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How do you uh create your very first blog?

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So very uh something that you can definitely accomplish in five days.

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And for all these five days, you're telling people exactly what they need to know.

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So you already condensed the information to bite size.

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uh We teach people micro learning concept when we teach them about challenges.

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It's the whole like it's the micro wins.

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It's the micro uh step, step by step, very, very bite size type of uh training.

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So people don't have to spend a whole bunch of time doing it.

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And during that whole entire five days,

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you just give value.

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And what happens when you give value and don't sell all the time, people feel like that

balance becomes a little bit unbalanced and they go like, if I got that much for free,

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just imagine what I can get once I invest in actually working with you, once I invest in

being in your program.

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So you definitely have that working for you.

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And for people who just starting out or again, trying to get the attraction of getting

consistent clients, it's easier for us to show up and

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be ourselves and be in our expertise than it is to think, now I need to switch ahead and

start selling.

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So usually when you see those five days of webinars, it's usually bigger businesses,

people who been doing it for years, people who feel super comfortable just selling all the

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time.

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But for us, when we first starting out and you just like, I just want to show up and do my

magic.

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It's really easy to do a five day challenge format.

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And if you do it right, if you built the content, the magic is in how

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put together the content.

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So by day five, people start asking you, and do you also do XYZ?

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And that XYZ is the offer that's coming up.

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You know that you've checked all the boxes.

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That's how we kind of say, by day four or five, people should already be asking you for

what's coming next.

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And then whatever you do, you do a webinar, you do Facebook Live, you do your enrollment

calls.

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By then, people are already wanting it.

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You don't even have to convince them.

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You're just telling them the details and they say, I've been looking for this.

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This is perfect.

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So the format that we've created makes it really easy starting point where you don't have

to be a good good You don't even have to be that good at selling just need to show up You

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need to deliver the result for people once people experience the result and they trust you

now So anything you say after that you don't have to sell you just basically say here's

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what's on the table if you would like it take it and uh Just a really interesting fact.

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I've worked with quite a few people who do a lot of numbers like they

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Every time they do a webinar, they have their stats who's showing up who is buying what's

my percentages as soon as they started adding challenges in front of their webinars or

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their offers their conversions increased by three times so multiple people have done that

kind of number checking and Basically, whatever you're doing currently if you put a

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challenge in front of it your conversion could triple So that's what it does for you

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So when you say put a challenge in front of it, so you have the webinar and so you're

saying schedule the challenge to occur before the...

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How far before?

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What's your recommendation there?

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Yeah.

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uh When people come to me and say, well, I'm already doing webinars, I'm already doing

workshops, I'm already doing events, I'm already doing X, Y, Z.

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So uh should I do a challenge instead?

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Challenge is never instead.

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Challenge serves to warm up your audience and be engaged with you and your content and

with each other.

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And you're creating that desire for what's coming next.

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So if you already have an event and you're just selling it by emailing your list, if you

do a challenge a few days before that, look, so for events, maybe give it two, three weeks

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because people usually

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We have to plan if it's multi-day event.

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So I would put my challenges about a month before the event.

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If we're doing a webinar, the challenge is five days.

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We usually give people two days.

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So starts on Monday on day five, the information ends.

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We give people two days to catch up.

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We do the grand prize.

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There's whole like ceremony with that.

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And then on Monday would be the webinar.

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So instead of just mailing for the webinar, putting the challenge right in front of it

increases conversions for your webinar.

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the webinars we do right after the challenge, they are the highest converting webinars.

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I love so much that you shared that because so many people in our community are hosting

webinars or workshops.

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And I think this idea of having this in front of it makes it easier to fill the webinar

and workshop and also warm people up.

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So it's the webinar, not the webinar that has to do all the heavy lifting and take the

relationship from here to here.

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They're already warmed up.

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That's what I'm hearing.

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when we're here.

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And we do it for book launches.

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launched five books over five year period every single time we would do our book launch,

instead of just saying like, hey, I have the book, go buy it.

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We do a challenge on a related topic.

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And then on Monday we say, ta-da, we have the book.

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And we've always reached like the number one best selling status in the first like 30

minutes of that webinar.

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So it's really easy to supercharge anything you're already doing simply by putting

challenge in front.

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So it doesn't substitute of any other uh elements of your funnel or your launch.

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You just put it there so people get a lot more trust with you and they already started

seeing results from you.

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That's the biggest thing.

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There's no other lead magnet because if you were gonna be honest like a free five-day

challenge, it is a lead magnet, right?

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It builds your list.

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However, it's the only interactive and the only uh lead magnet that actually produces

results because you can download the PDF and PDF is not interactive.

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Most of us download the PDF and it's gonna sit on the

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Hard drive, may not even look at it.

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I would say like up to 60 to 80 % of people never looked at the PDFs they download and

they definitely not putting it into action right away.

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Challenge, because we're challenging people, because we're gamifying, because there's

prizes every day, because there's rewards for actually getting it done.

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People do it right when the challenge is running.

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And once you start getting results with anything, we like that reward.

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We like that, oh my gosh, I did it and it worked.

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And it could be like a very small micro win.

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but they can't help themselves but want more and they associate you with getting those

results.

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That is so cool.

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And I agree.

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I mean, with Lead Magnet, might be great for list building, but then they just sit there

on their list and they don't buy anything either.

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And it's really, you know, quantity over quality, right?

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And so if you want the most number of people to join your list, do a PDF.

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If you want quality people who are well positioned to buy your offer afterwards, do a

challenge.

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yes, please.

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Yeah.

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There's another really big distinction.

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If you do a lead magnet and there's nothing wrong with it, like we have lead magnets, I'll

actually invite you to download the PDF from us.

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But it attracts people who want information.

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What challenges do, they attract action takers.

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And if you were to choose who do you want on your list, people who take action or people

who just want information, you always want to have action takers because when you are

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making those invitations and you're inviting people to your workshop, to buy your book, to

your event, to just work with you, you want people who will raise their hand and say, I'm

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willing to roll up my sleeves and do the work.

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And that's so it's a perfect filter to pull in action takers.

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So you might get

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fewer opt-ins for a challenge because you have to do the work, but you're going to get the

people who are actually buying.

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Mm, I love that.

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Yes, and that's one of the conversations we have all the time is like, how do we make it

easier to find action takers?

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And we could do a whole episode just on that.

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But I love your model and I especially love that it can work for really anyone at any

stage of business, including the very early stage.

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whether you're starting over or just starting out, this is a model that can work for you.

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those are my favorite kind of people to work with.

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And I love models that serve them because so many people, especially in the transformation

space, amazing gifts, amazing energy, amazing transformational modalities for, you know,

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the lack of, you know, bit of a phrase there, but that

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they have gifts, they can change people's lives.

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They just need to connect the dots and have make it easier for people to find them.

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And I love your model for that.

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um Let's tell everybody about your free gift, because I always like next steps.

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And I think your next step is perfect because this is going to help them to learn more

about challenges and you and how your model can help.

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Absolutely.

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ah So what we have for you guys is a challenge checklist.

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So this is uh When you grab it it basically will explain to you all of the essential

critical elements that you need to have in order to have a profitable five-day challenge

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because even though it's free We definitely want you to monetize your efforts.

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We want you to monetize you running the challenge So it has all of the details of what you

need to do before the challenge during the challenge and after the challenge like

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everything from like you need to

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this type of community, you need to create this type of page so it has the actual details.

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So it comes straight from our program where we teach people how to do five-day challenges

and that's the checklist first came about because I needed to create a checklist for my

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team to say we've done this, we've done this, we've done this and this is probably one of

the biggest requests we get from people is like what do need to put together and how do I

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make it all work together and this PDF, this checklist will also include some more

additional information

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what you need to have in order to have a very successful challenge.

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So I would love for you to grab it.

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We're probably gonna have a link somewhere below the video.

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are indeed.

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In fact, if you'd like to grab that gift right now, just look beneath this video, the link

is right there.

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And if you're listening to this on a audio podcast, just open up your phone and it's in

the show notes there as well.

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Now, two things though, I'm gonna do something a little different.

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So one thing is go get the checklist because that's gonna help your understanding of what

you need to do.

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Another reason to go grab it though is you're gonna end up on Alina's.

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email list and she has events coming up that can help you learn and discover the model for

yourself but also learn how you can start to implement this.

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And so it's not just a PDF that's gonna sit on your hard drive but it leads you to being

an action taker as well.

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watch your email if you're on my list as well because I'll be notifying you of her

upcoming events as well.

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So there's two really powerful reasons why to go get that gift if not to help you to make

a bigger impact with the business that you do.

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So Alina, thank you so much.

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Like I really appreciate everything that you've shared and finally being able to spend

some time with you and I appreciate learning the origin story of how you became known as

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the

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the go-to person for challenges.

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I love this, so thank you.

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Yeah, I appreciate that.

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I just want to, before we sign off, just want to ask you, you know the audience that we

serve here and you know, what is your, if you had a final piece of advice or words of

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wisdom, you want to leave them here as we sign off from this episode.

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So my uh advice for you guys is do it.

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Like if there's anything that resonated with you in this episode, if you got excited about

it, don't just think about it, do it.

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And...

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Again, we've talked about action takers, people who become really successful in business,

they don't spend months and months thinking about doing something.

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They actually implement stuff.

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So whether it's this episode or any other episode, as you're listening to this podcast or

watching these videos, if anything resonates with you, don't just put it on a like, I'll

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look at it next month.

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Start investigating.

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What do you need to do to start doing it right now?

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If you download the challenge checklist that I'm giving you, there's going to be basically

a whole entire road

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up on how you can start doing your own challenge and it only takes a couple of days to put

it together, really, like once you wrap your brain around the concept of it.

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And the second thing is if you download our uh checklist, we do these challenges about

four to six times a year, depending on the year.

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So there's always going to be another one coming up.

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So if you would like to experience it, you're probably going to be getting invitation and

then you can see it as a participant if that's something that resonates with you.

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But the biggest thing I can

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like my biggest piece of advice is don't just think about it, do it.

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If that sounded interesting, if it sounded doable, just go and do it.

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Yes.

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are great words to end this episode by Alina, thank you.

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And I agree, know, out of every one I've seen actually transform their business, no one

has done it by sitting on their hands.

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There is a step that you have to take towards.

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And sometimes you don't have to see the entire roadmap in front of you.

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You just need to take the next step.

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And something simple like downloading a checklist is a very easy step.

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for you to take.

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So all the details are there beneath the video and in the podcast show notes.

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And I want you to remember as we sign off that, you the impact that you want to make is

possible.

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And the gifts that you bring to your clients and to the community and even to the world

are gifts that we all really need you to bring.

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And because that's what transformation is all about.

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And you're going to have good days and you're going to have bad days, but

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You know, there's no challenge that is too big to overcome and you might just be one

collaboration away from a big breakthrough.

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And perhaps Selena is the person to collaborate with who's that missing piece that's gonna

help you to break through and start making the bigger impact that you wanna make.

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So in the meantime, take those action steps, do it now and keep moving forward and we will

see you on the next one.

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Thank you.

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All right.