BSG S3E18 - Just for Romo (Featuring Ryan from Yum Yum Podcast)

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Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former strangers,

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now friends who are currently watching

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I'm fair,

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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Xhafer: and I don't know how much of what

we were talking about before is actually

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in this episode and how much Aaron's

gonna edit out, but we're joined today by.

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Ryan: Oh, it's me, Ryan here.

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I'm here to represent Balta.

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My favorite little guy.

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Laura: You know, Ryan, I, when I

saw this episode, I immediately

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knew why you chose it, obviously,

but also I thought, you know.

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If there was one un shot

script out there that had Mr.

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Romo Lampkin in it, and we

decided to do that on our podcast.

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I know who I'm choosing, and it's you,

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Ryan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I've got the closest to

whatever accent he has.

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all over the place.

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I know it's cockney, but

it's also a little Irish.

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It's everywhere.

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Xhafer: It's quite an accent.

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Yep.

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It's season three, episode 18.

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Riel Lampkin.

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I mean, the sun also rises.

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And as is our way here, our

guests choose the episode.

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And you picked this one just for Romo?

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Just for Baltar's trial.

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Ryan: I just like saying

the phrase, just for Romo.

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It sounds weird to say just

for Romo, just for Romo.

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Laura: It is.

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It's like Yolo, but something

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Ryan: mm-hmm.

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It's legal.

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Um, oh yeah.

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Romo's great.

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I love Mark Shepherd.

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You know, him and his father, William

Morgan Shepherd were character Act people.

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If one was in like, you could

be guaranteed that one of them

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will be in a beloved franchise.

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If it wasn't Mark, it was his dad.

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You know, like Mark Shepherd was in

X-Files and Supernatural, and his dad

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was in Star Trek and Babylon five.

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You know, Lee are the things like his dad,

Willie Morgan Shepherd was the soul hunter

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: five.

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And I just love, you know, that these

two guys are just like, we will do all

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the pop culture with our strange deep

voices that'll get deeper as we get older.

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If you've ever seen Mark she

and Doom patrol his voice sounds

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like you've put his throat into.

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A concrete mixer.

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It's so gravelly, it's so raw.

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He's just constantly like, hello

there, it's me, Mark Shepherd.

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And I love it.

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I love it.

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But no, I also picked this 'cause

I love, um, the trial of Geis,

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Balter, just all of this stuff.

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And I just liked this and I thought,

oh, this is a good little preamble.

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We're setting up all of the pieces.

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Who's his attorney?

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All of that is just great

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Xhafer: yeah.

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I am a big fan of these three episodes

the last three of this season.

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we're actually recording

these out of order to, to

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facilitate you, you joining us.

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We already recorded Crossroads part one.

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Ryan: now, so you already know

who his pros the prosecution is.

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Xhafer: yeah, we meet, yeah,

we meet the other lawyer.

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Laura: Was I supposed to

like recognize the actress

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Ryan: no, we don't meet

her in this episode.

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We meet her, they talk

about her in the next one.

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I mean, she's in the next one.

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So for Star Trek fans, the prosecution

is the president of the Federation and

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uh, modern Star Trek Relic, who's great.

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And she was in Man of the

High Castle and all that.

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Like she's a really good actress.

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And so it's like, yep, here she is.

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Early on being in a sci-fi thing.

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'cause these Canadians love work.

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Laura: Well, I am glad you knew that.

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'cause I didn't know that on that episode,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I didn't catch that.

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That's, yeah, that's,

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Ryan: Yeah, that's Relic.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Go back and you can tell.

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Oh, that's her.

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All right.

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Xhafer: soon as you said

it, it clicked in my brain.

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It's like, of course it is.

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Um, well, we, we can talk about that when

we record Crossroads part two 'cause Lord

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knows we're gonna need to be reaching

for things to talk about in that episode.

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Laura: y'all are making me so nervous.

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Xhafer: It's the Ralph Wickham.

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I'm in Danger Me Miss Laura's

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Ryan: Ah.

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Xhafer: now.

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Ryan: You just screaming.

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I hope.

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I hope Bal Car's okay.

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My favorite little guy.

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My favorite part of listening to

season three coverage is the fact

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that so many characters have taken

over the spot of hated for Laura.

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Like boar's, like 50th down the

list at this point, like Lee

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Anders when Kara was in the show.

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Like, all of these people, Dee, like

all of these people, just like, it's

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my turn, Laura, I wanna be hated.

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I wanna be hated.

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And Boz just sitting in his little

jail cell writing mind comfort and he's

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just like, somehow I'm not as hated.

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Now

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Laura: still hate this man so much that

the thing I'm worried about is that

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Ballar is gonna come out of his trial.

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Just freaking fine.

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Ryan: he's got Lee on his side.

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He'll be fine.

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Laura: Hmm hmm.

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Xhafer: I'm so looking forward

to just getting you right

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after you watch that episode.

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Just like I we're timing it to the

record, as close as we possibly

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can after you watch that episode.

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And I'm really, I'm looking

forward to that moment.

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That's gonna be good for me.

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay,

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Xhafer: It's gonna be good for radio.

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It's gonna be good for me.

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You'll, you'll survive it.

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Laura: Okay.

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I'll trust the process, I guess the plan.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: Mm.

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You gotta trust the plan.

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They have one.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I do.

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At least I have a very strict plan about

what episodes we're watching and when, um,

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Laura: Jair has a plan.

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Yeah.

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If he doesn't Have a plan,

he least has a spreadsheet.

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Xhafer: oh, for sure.

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I mean, the plan is the spreadsheet.

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Okay.

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Alright do we wanna

get into this one then?

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Laura: I guess so.

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Xhafer: Is it season three, episode 18?

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The sun also rises, not to be confused

with Hemingway's, the sun also rises,

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which is distinctly about nothing that

happens in this episode because it's about

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matador's polyamory and day drinking.

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So

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Laura: That I did not understand

the session title you made.

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I was like, I don't think any of those

things are related to this episode.

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Xhafer: not a one.

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But they're all in the sun.

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Also races.

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Ryan: I also chose another title

with a fun play on words, sun,

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obviously spelled SON rather than

SUN because it's about someone's son.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: I go, gosh, I wonder

who, what character in this

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show is defined by being a sun?

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Who could it be?

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Could it be hot dog?

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Is it hot dog?

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Xhafer: Little nepo.

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Ryan: who could it be?

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I wonder.

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We'll find out.

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We'll find out in this uh, breakdown.

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Laura: I wish we'd heard more about

hotdogs, STDs in this episode,

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because that would be very funny.

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Xhafer: nice little in joke.

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We open on Adama going through

Kara's file while Rosalyn is drawing

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captain names out of a fishbowl.

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We don't know why.

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Immediately there's a birthday

card to Papa dama where Kara drew

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his mustache on a photo of her

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Ryan: And glasses.

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Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I love this.

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This is great.

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Ryan: Yeah.

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Hey, did you love, um, Laura, did you

love seeing the old season one promo

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pics of Katie Soff in this episode?

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They're all like, from season

one, they're like, look at, look.

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She had the goofy haircut back then,

and she's like four years younger.

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Look, look,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Ryan: remember, remember when she

was less annoying of a character?

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Ah, the good old days.

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Laura: Right,

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Xhafer: back when she was just a Mary Sue.

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Ryan: Back when she used to

get in fistfights with Ty.

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Oh, the good old days.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Anders is down in the hangar.

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He is drunk as fuck, flipping a coin

while standing on top of a viper.

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And this coin is always heads.

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He's just astounded.

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It's, it's been four, it's only

been four in a row, but he's just

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like completely taken aback by

the impossibility of chance here.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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I, I feel like for someone who just took

statistics like last year, I should know

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what the odds of this are, but I don't.

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Ryan: It's fate, it's magic, it's

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Xhafer: quarter eight, one in 16.

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Laura: Okay.

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Ryan: maybe.

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But of course Anders

takes it as like magical.

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He's just like, it's her.

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She's beyond our realm of understanding.

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'cause I could flip heads four times.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: counterpoint, hear me out.

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He can flip heads four times

'cause he is a fucking silent.

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Ryan: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's

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Xhafer: silent power.

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Always flipping heads.

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Ryan: Do you remember, do you

remember like the, like, oh,

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silence are so hard to detect.

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To detect, but early in the

show, Sharon like unzipped her

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arm and plugged cables into it.

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Like, why can't they figure it out?

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They can never figure it out.

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Or like, if you fuck them from

behind, won't their spine light up?

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Like, come on Guy.

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Altas actual silent detector was his dick

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Xhafer: Oh, no.

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Ryan: Anders, we've gotta

find something out please.

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But yeah, Anders is sad and

everyone looks on like, Hey

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dude, could you stop being sad?

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And he's like, no.

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And, and they go, okay.

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Laura: Well, we just need him to

stop being sad on top of a viper.

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Right?

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Like he could still be sad.

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Xhafer: just not

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Ryan: boy already, but he is making

himself taller by standing on a viper.

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He just wants to be the tallest boy.

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Xhafer: He has to be the tallest

boy standing on top of a Viper

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who could possibly be taller.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: You have to get Helo

standing on a Raptor or something.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Battle of the MBOs.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: Lee is looking

next to Kat's photo.

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He is got Kara's in his pocket here when

racetrack grabs him to help with Anders.

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Anders is in full denial.

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He says, my girl is

too lucky to check out.

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Ryan: Mm-hmm.

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She's just magical.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Karara and her special destiny.

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And this is where we meet Baltar's

creepy lawyer for a moment before

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he gets exploded almost instantly.

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But in that moment before he explodes,

we make sure there's like some

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unwelcome touching of the pilots.

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He gets very close up on people.

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It is awkward as fuck.

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Ryan: Perfect for Gaas.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Now I know that racetrack before she

was cast was up for the role of six.

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Ryan: Oh.

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Laura: Wow.

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okay.

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Xhafer: Uh, yeah.

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So I wonder if this guy was up

for Ballar and this was like

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them reenacting their screen test

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or something.

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Ryan: that's crazy.

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Xhafer: I've got, I got no

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Ryan: theory.

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I like it.

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Xhafer: Um, he does

look a bit like a Doral.

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That's fair.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: but almost a Doral

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Laura: A real Doral type.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: sure.

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an explosive goes off in the rafter

and everyone's like, racetrack.

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Racetrack, because they all

forgot the lawyer's name.

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30 seconds after Callie said it.

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Laura: Well, also he's

gross, so like racetrack.

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Xhafer: I mean, she's the friend, like

obviously you're gonna be worried about

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your friend in that situation, but as it

struck me as very funny as they were all

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like saying goodbye to this guy as he

flies off and then the second the bomb

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goes off, everyone forgets about him.

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Ryan: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: But they were also talking

about how much they hated this guy.

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'cause he was creepy and gross.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: And the lawyer is

probably dead to theme.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I say probably because

the survivor count is 49,399.

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It's only down one.

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Ryan: Huh

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Xhafer: Uh,

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which following there

is inconsistent logic.

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Sometimes the pre-credit stuff

counts towards the survivor count.

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Sometimes it doesn't.

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Ryan: wait.

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Inconsistencies in Battlestar

Galactica by Ronald D.

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Moore

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Xhafer: impossible.

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Ryan: I I don't want to hear that.

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Objection.

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Xhafer: So I think, I mean, it's also

just dramatic to have it drop by one.

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Like, you know, that it's, it's Starbuck.

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Laura: When we've been on that.

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Nice.

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Even number two,

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Xhafer: they've kept us at that

41,400 for a couple episodes.

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so the, the lawyer would count next

episode, then in their survivor

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Ryan: mm-hmm.

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Laura: mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: after the theme, we have a

press conference on Colonial one.

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The press is asking pesky questions like.

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This trial just killed a dude.

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Maybe it's not a good idea.

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Ryan: Yeah.

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And, and, and Rosalyn has

your favorite answers.

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Jfe.

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She has your favorite answer.

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She just says, we don't

negotiate with terrorists.

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We don't bow down to terrorism.

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Terrorism mission accomplished.

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Yeah.

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She she just gives

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Xhafer: negotiate with terrorists except

when we negotiate with terrorists.

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Laura: She, she makes it even worse

though, because she uses the phrase

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as long as I am president, and then

Laura gets very worried that you're

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not actually gonna be president

a whole hell of a lot longer.

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Ryan: Then she pulled her

collar and Steam came out.

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Yeah.

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Laura: We forgot one thing before theme.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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What do we forget?

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Laura: Papa DAMA was selected.

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That's the

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fishbowl.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Papa's name's pulled out of the fishbowl.

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He is, he has won the

lottery to be a juror.

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Effectively.

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He's on the tribunal, but

there's more than three of them.

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: 00:14:10

Laura: Yeah.

353

: 00:14:11

Ryan: A judge.

354

: 00:14:12

Laura: Is it like five captains in total?

355

: 00:14:14

Xhafer: it's, I believe it's

four captains and a judge.

356

: 00:14:18

Ryan: Mm.

357

: 00:14:19

Oh, okay.

358

: 00:14:19

So it's 5,

359

: 00:14:21

Xhafer: five total.

360

: 00:14:24

Ryan: Five is a five is a good number.

361

: 00:14:26

I'm, I'm sure it won't come up

again in this season of television

362

: 00:14:29

that there's five people.

363

: 00:14:31

Xhafer: Five.

364

: 00:14:31

Yeah.

365

: 00:14:32

Ryan: Yeah.

366

: 00:14:32

I'm glad Laura figured it out.

367

: 00:14:34

Yeah.

368

: 00:14:34

Yeah.

369

: 00:14:34

Five, five.

370

: 00:14:35

That's a magic, but thanks, Ronald five.

371

: 00:14:38

Great.

372

: 00:14:40

Laura: We haven't been obsessing

about the number five at

373

: 00:14:42

Ryan: No, no,

374

: 00:14:43

Xhafer: even a little bit,

375

: 00:14:44

not been a

376

: 00:14:44

plot point, not been brought up.

377

: 00:14:46

The characters don't even refer

to it as that convenient name

378

: 00:14:50

that you would use in marketing.

379

: 00:14:51

Ryan: no, not at all.

380

: 00:14:52

Xhafer: For, for no reason whatsoever.

381

: 00:14:56

It makes no sense for

them to use that term.

382

: 00:14:58

The silences maybe, but it

makes no sense for the humans

383

: 00:15:01

to use that terminology to me.

384

: 00:15:03

But whatever.

385

: 00:15:04

Over in the pilot's meeting room we get

this really rotating kinda wispy shots of

386

: 00:15:10

Lee as he's stumbling through orders and

accidentally calls racetrack star bes.

387

: 00:15:16

Oh,

388

: 00:15:17

Laura: Oop.

389

: 00:15:18

Yep.

390

: 00:15:19

Xhafer: yep.

391

: 00:15:19

How embarrassing.

392

: 00:15:20

Ryan: No, it was really more embarrassing

that Helo had to pull rank and just

393

: 00:15:24

go, actually, I'm supposed to be in

this part of space doing the job.

394

: 00:15:27

And, and, and Lee looked so ashamed

that the, that the, the show's

395

: 00:15:32

resident Kimbo had to, tell him

what's what, how embarrassing.

396

: 00:15:40

Duh.

397

: 00:15:41

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a little Labrador man.

398

: 00:15:44

And even I know that that's not

the space he's supposed to go.

399

: 00:15:46

And even, and then Lee's like, oh no.

400

: 00:15:47

Oh no.

401

: 00:15:48

I'm so ashamed that my British

accent is popping out in this scene.

402

: 00:15:51

For some mysterious reason.

403

: 00:15:53

I noticed that.

404

: 00:15:54

I noticed that straight away.

405

: 00:15:55

I'm like, oh, he is, he is British.

406

: 00:15:57

Accent is coming all the way out.

407

: 00:15:58

He knew Mark Shepherd was coming into

the show and his Britishness just

408

: 00:16:02

couldn't help but leak out of him.

409

: 00:16:04

Xhafer: Yeah,

410

: 00:16:05

Laura: yeah, think it was,

it was right in the scene.

411

: 00:16:09

Like I noticed Lee's hair and

I feel like they were just

412

: 00:16:15

like, he's, he's real upset.

413

: 00:16:17

He, so he's not gonna put product in his

hair, and so his hair is just like flat.

414

: 00:16:22

It's

415

: 00:16:22

Ryan: You.

416

: 00:16:22

know what that reminds me of?

417

: 00:16:24

When Lee got sad when the occupation

happened and they put grease

418

: 00:16:28

in his hair and a comical fat

suit on him, is Lee regressing?

419

: 00:16:33

Hmm?

420

: 00:16:33

Xhafer: Oh, no.

421

: 00:16:35

Laura: Oh, no.

422

: 00:16:35

So is he gonna get greasy at the

beginning of season four again?

423

: 00:16:39

Ryan: is on.

424

: 00:16:40

Spoiler alert everyone for this episode.

425

: 00:16:42

He is siding with Ballar, so he

has a natural source of grease

426

: 00:16:46

to wipe and put into his hair.

427

: 00:16:51

Xhafer: Just grab a little on his face

428

: 00:16:55

Ryan: I also think of the Simpsons thing

where it's like if you, if you rub grease

429

: 00:16:58

onto the wall and then it just turns

clear and a bird flies into it, like

430

: 00:17:02

that's the level of grease we've got.

431

: 00:17:04

Bolter has on him at all times.

432

: 00:17:06

Laura: Uhhuh.

433

: 00:17:07

Yep.

434

: 00:17:08

Xhafer: Adam and Rosalyn are

interviewing Romo Lampkin for

435

: 00:17:12

the job of Baltar's lawyer.

436

: 00:17:15

He just wants to do it for the glory.

437

: 00:17:17

Ryan: He's

438

: 00:17:17

a robust and legal character.

439

: 00:17:18

This guy

440

: 00:17:19

insane you.

441

: 00:17:21

You set it up beautifully.

442

: 00:17:22

Set up Jfi.

443

: 00:17:23

Love that.

444

: 00:17:24

Now we should set it

up like the show does.

445

: 00:17:26

Abrupt hard cut to an intense closeup

of Mark Shepherd's face with sunglasses

446

: 00:17:31

and we just linger on it for like a

solid five seconds before we cut to

447

: 00:17:34

Rosalyn who's talking to him Like we

should all know who this is, by the way.

448

: 00:17:38

Like absolutely insane.

449

: 00:17:40

I had to double check.

450

: 00:17:41

This is his first episode, and in

this scene they treat him like,

451

: 00:17:44

oh, we all know who this is.

452

: 00:17:45

We all know this eccentric guy

in a trench coat with sunglasses

453

: 00:17:48

on a spaceship with a cat.

454

: 00:17:50

We all know this guy.

455

: 00:17:51

We all know this.

456

: 00:17:53

He's a favorite character.

457

: 00:17:55

Remember anime brought to BSG?

458

: 00:17:57

We all remember this guy

459

: 00:17:59

Laura: These are all wild choices

by the show that I, I loved.

460

: 00:18:03

I was like, sunglasses on a spaceship.

461

: 00:18:06

What trench coat?

462

: 00:18:08

What fucking cat?

463

: 00:18:10

He brings his fucking cat everywhere.

464

: 00:18:13

Why?

465

: 00:18:14

Ryan: because he loves his wife.

466

: 00:18:16

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

467

: 00:18:17

Ryan: cat's like her, it's her

spirit, or is it real at all?

468

: 00:18:22

Hmm?

469

: 00:18:23

Was any of it

470

: 00:18:24

Xhafer: cat's a silent,

471

: 00:18:25

Ryan: Yeah.

472

: 00:18:25

The cat's silent.

473

: 00:18:26

Yeah.

474

: 00:18:27

Oh, oh, oh, sorry.

475

: 00:18:28

That was the, that was the

476

: 00:18:29

final five.

477

: 00:18:29

Laura: the, oh

478

: 00:18:31

Ryan: The, the final five

are four pos and a tail.

479

: 00:18:33

Oh,

480

: 00:18:36

oopsie.

481

: 00:18:40

Laura: yeah.

482

: 00:18:40

This cat, the whole episode.

483

: 00:18:42

I was like, I really wanted the

cat to show up in Crossroads part

484

: 00:18:46

one at the trial, but I don't if

it, if it happened, I missed it.

485

: 00:18:50

Yeah.

486

: 00:18:50

Ryan: It just said Meow was an

objection and, and Adama took it in.

487

: 00:18:54

He's like, Hmm, hmm.

488

: 00:18:55

Xhafer: Yeah.

489

: 00:18:56

The dad Morl puts Lee on Lampkin

duty and Lee's pretty upset about it.

490

: 00:19:01

He'd rather be out flying, but

Helos gonna step in and be the

491

: 00:19:03

CAG while Lee handles Romo and

whatever shit he needs to deal with.

492

: 00:19:10

Laura: Yeah.

493

: 00:19:10

Lies all super hurt about

you don't think I can fly.

494

: 00:19:14

You don't think I can handle it.

495

: 00:19:15

You think I'm still like

broken up or whatever

496

: 00:19:18

and I'm like, somebody has already

killed Baltar's lawyer once.

497

: 00:19:23

Like this seems like a pretty

important job that actually the Lee

498

: 00:19:27

that I remember would be all over.

499

: 00:19:29

Ryan: Yeah, but you know,

he's no longer the lee.

500

: 00:19:31

We all love and know, you know, the, the

one, the one who was a little whiny bitch?

501

: 00:19:36

Oh wait, no, no, no.

502

: 00:19:37

Lee's the same.

503

: 00:19:38

Um, he whines.

504

: 00:19:40

Complaints.

505

: 00:19:41

I can't remember.

506

: 00:19:42

There's like four scenes like this

with him and Adama with Daddy Adama.

507

: 00:19:45

They're basically the

same scene four times.

508

: 00:19:48

Is this, which scene is it?

509

: 00:19:49

Is it this one where he, where

Adama's, just like you think

510

: 00:19:52

you're grieving more than me.

511

: 00:19:54

I looked

512

: 00:19:54

at my

513

: 00:19:55

Laura: think that's Slater

514

: 00:19:56

Ryan: God, it all blurs together.

515

: 00:19:57

They just yell at each

other a lot in this episode.

516

: 00:20:00

And Lee's point is the same.

517

: 00:20:01

Always.

518

: 00:20:02

And why are you surprised?

519

: 00:20:03

Daddy?

520

: 00:20:03

Adama.

521

: 00:20:04

That Lee's a little bitch.

522

: 00:20:06

Xhafer: At least also like,

like you aren't hurting, like

523

: 00:20:09

you don't need time to heal.

524

: 00:20:10

And Papa Dom is just like, no.

525

: 00:20:15

So I'm gonna ignore that shit.

526

: 00:20:17

Fuck you.

527

: 00:20:18

Ryan: Yeah.

528

: 00:20:18

Laura: Just gonna bury that

down real deep, real deep.

529

: 00:20:23

Xhafer: Romo wants to speak to

Baltar in private and like actual

530

: 00:20:27

private, so he suggests Lees quarters.

531

: 00:20:31

Uh, He then pulls out a book,

law Mind, the Psychology of

532

: 00:20:35

Legal Practice by Joseph Adama.

533

: 00:20:41

Ryan: Oh my God,

534

: 00:20:43

Xhafer: he reveals he was mentored by

Grand Papa DAMA as they go to see Gaas.

535

: 00:20:50

Ryan: Yeah.

536

: 00:20:51

This is great.

537

: 00:20:52

Wonderful stuff.

538

: 00:20:54

Uh, You know, this is a great scene

to kind of lay down the law of,

539

: 00:20:57

what's gonna happen for the rest

of the episode with him and Lee's

540

: 00:21:00

dynamic where he's kind of trying to

mentor Lee, which is, which is fun.

541

: 00:21:04

Like, it's a fun, weird thing

for a guest star to come in

542

: 00:21:07

and I don't know about you.

543

: 00:21:09

We mentioned the sunglasses, right?

544

: 00:21:11

The sunglasses.

545

: 00:21:11

I, I don't know if either of you

thought this, did you think he

546

: 00:21:14

was blind when you first saw him?

547

: 00:21:16

I thought he was blind when I first

saw him, but then he clearly isn't.

548

: 00:21:20

But it's just that thing of like,

I'm watching a science fiction

549

: 00:21:22

show and there's a character with

sunglasses obscuring his eyes and

550

: 00:21:25

I'm like, oh, maybe he's blind.

551

: 00:21:27

But then he is like, no, I, I'm fine.

552

: 00:21:28

I read, and apparently this

was a problem for Ronald D.

553

: 00:21:31

Moore, they talked about this on, um,

back in the day, they had like a wrestling

554

: 00:21:36

match in the writer's room of should

he wear glasses, sunglasses, and why?

555

: 00:21:41

And the answer to why is it, it's cool.

556

: 00:21:44

That's the answer is it's really

cool that he has glasses, sunglasses.

557

: 00:21:50

That's the only reason.

558

: 00:21:51

And they wrestled with like, is

it too like parody and silly?

559

: 00:21:56

As, but they don't ask that about the cat

or the trench coat at all the glasses.

560

: 00:22:02

It's,

561

: 00:22:02

Laura: I, I'm gonna be so cool.

562

: 00:22:04

Next time I have a migraine

in the middle class.

563

: 00:22:07

Put my sunglasses on.

564

: 00:22:09

Ryan: Well, do you take them?

565

: 00:22:10

Well, we'll talk about it later, but you

know, it's not about putting them on.

566

: 00:22:13

It's about taking them off dramatically.

567

: 00:22:16

Laura: Hmm.

568

: 00:22:17

I gotta work on that part.

569

: 00:22:18

You're right,

570

: 00:22:19

Xhafer: Yeah.

571

: 00:22:19

You got a real like swift motion slowly,

572

: 00:22:23

like all kind of very fluidly.

573

: 00:22:25

Yeah.

574

: 00:22:25

Ryan: And think about this.

575

: 00:22:27

Eyes are the windows to the soul, and he's

a character who's supposed to represent

576

: 00:22:32

law and order, and he's hiding those eyes.

577

: 00:22:35

What's happening there?

578

: 00:22:36

Something to think about.

579

: 00:22:37

Thanks.

580

: 00:22:38

Thanks.

581

: 00:22:38

BS, G.

582

: 00:22:39

Xhafer: hmm.

583

: 00:22:40

hmm.

584

: 00:22:41

Laura: More somethings To think

about coming up 'cause someone's

585

: 00:22:43

putting together a bomb.

586

: 00:22:47

Xhafer: we see the same little

detonator cap thing that we were made

587

: 00:22:53

very familiar with in season one.

588

: 00:22:55

Ryan: Hmm.

589

: 00:22:57

Laura: Mm-hmm.

590

: 00:22:57

Would you all like to know

who I accused in my notes?

591

: 00:23:01

Would you like to guess

who I accused in my

592

: 00:23:03

Ryan: Uh, Anders.

593

: 00:23:05

Xhafer: Uh, yeah.

594

: 00:23:06

I'm gonna say you think it's a Cy.

595

: 00:23:08

Either you went silent plot

and it's Anders, or you

596

: 00:23:12

went non plot and it's Cali.

597

: 00:23:16

Ryan: Oh, okay.

598

: 00:23:16

Can I ask, was it a character that

actually appeared in this episode at all?

599

: 00:23:21

Laura: Well, no, I don't think they did.

600

: 00:23:24

Ryan: so D

601

: 00:23:24

Xhafer: Okay.

602

: 00:23:26

Laura: No, no.

603

: 00:23:28

But I did change at one point to thinking

it was Callie, so, you can have a point

604

: 00:23:34

for that, I guess Jair, but no, I accused

605

: 00:23:36

Xhafer: it.

606

: 00:23:39

Ryan: Okay.

607

: 00:23:39

Xhafer: is an upstanding citizen.

608

: 00:23:41

He'd never do anything like that.

609

: 00:23:42

Ryan: I like.

610

: 00:23:45

Sure, sure.

611

: 00:23:46

The

612

: 00:23:47

Laura: but he was sure big mad at Baltar.

613

: 00:23:50

He, he tried to stab Baltar,

614

: 00:23:53

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

615

: 00:23:53

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

616

: 00:23:55

Ryan: Yeah.

617

: 00:23:55

I think in the l long line of

people, gator's the maddest at Balta.

618

: 00:24:00

Laura: Hmm.

619

: 00:24:01

Xhafer: GA is pretty mad.

620

: 00:24:02

That's fair.

621

: 00:24:03

Laura: I can't tell if Ryan's

being sarcastic at me or not.

622

: 00:24:06

Xhafer: That's the beauty of his accent.

623

: 00:24:08

You just never know with him.

624

: 00:24:09

Ryan: I'll change it up.

625

: 00:24:10

Or I, I think it's

626

: 00:24:12

uh,

627

: 00:24:16

Laura: No, I think it's just that, like

I've, I've learned that Australians are

628

: 00:24:20

people that love to bullshit you, and so

I'm very, very afraid of taking something

629

: 00:24:25

seriously that one of them says, and then

it turns out it's a big joke on Laura.

630

: 00:24:30

Xhafer: Are you familiar with British

Comedy Duo, Mitchell and Webb?

631

: 00:24:34

Ryan: yeah.

632

: 00:24:35

Xhafer: They have a new show.

633

: 00:24:37

I forget the name of it.

634

: 00:24:38

It's like Mitchell and Webb

aren't contributing anything

635

: 00:24:40

to society or something.

636

: 00:24:41

I don't know.

637

: 00:24:42

Um, and in it, they've

got a reoccurring bit.

638

: 00:24:44

That's Sweary Aussie drama.

639

: 00:24:46

Ryan: Mm.

640

: 00:24:46

Mm-hmm.

641

: 00:24:47

Xhafer: Is this, is, did

this go viral at all?

642

: 00:24:49

Has this made its way to

643

: 00:24:50

Ryan: Oh, I'm aware.

644

: 00:24:51

I'm aware.

645

: 00:24:51

I, I watch Mitchell Web.

646

: 00:24:53

I've seen some, some bits and pieces.

647

: 00:24:55

Very

648

: 00:24:55

Xhafer: I, I want you to

know that I thought of you

649

: 00:24:57

whenever I, that bit came on

650

: 00:24:59

Ryan: Thank you.

651

: 00:25:00

Thank

652

: 00:25:01

Xhafer: the token Australian in my life.

653

: 00:25:03

Ryan: don't swear enough.

654

: 00:25:04

So, you know.

655

: 00:25:05

Thank you cunts for bringing me on.

656

: 00:25:13

Xhafer: I think that's pause.

657

: 00:25:14

I don't know.

658

: 00:25:15

Laura: No, I was like, I'm pretty

sure for Australians, that's a term of

659

: 00:25:18

Ryan: Yeah.

660

: 00:25:18

Comes a lovable term.

661

: 00:25:19

We love it and we love to say it and

we love to say it affectionately.

662

: 00:25:24

It's a, it's a word with two edges

to it, and we use the edge that you

663

: 00:25:28

guys don't, the brave edge we call it.

664

: 00:25:31

Yeah.

665

: 00:25:37

Xhafer: All right, well, now that I'm

a little awkward uh, Gaius is brought

666

: 00:25:41

to the lead Lee's room where they

talk about security as being useless.

667

: 00:25:47

Uh, Lee has signed an NDA so he gets

to stay in the room as they talk.

668

: 00:25:51

I thought that was a fun little bit.

669

: 00:25:54

they start to discuss things.

670

: 00:25:56

Baltar says Caprica six is the key.

671

: 00:25:59

She can destroy him at the trial,

and she, so she needs to be won over.

672

: 00:26:03

Lampkin says he's gonna go talk to her.

673

: 00:26:06

And he quotes Gaia's book to him,

and the look on his face when his

674

: 00:26:11

book is quoted to him is the look of

a man who is way too happy about it.

675

: 00:26:17

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

676

: 00:26:19

Laura: He's really sniffing his own butt.

677

: 00:26:21

Yeah.

678

: 00:26:22

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

679

: 00:26:23

Ryan: What I loved about the acting

of this scene is, you know, you've

680

: 00:26:27

got Mark Shepard there and he's

being very, you know, stone faced.

681

: 00:26:31

He's just not selling

anything back to bta.

682

: 00:26:34

He's just looking at him, you know, with

these shades on and he's just sitting

683

: 00:26:39

there and you have James Callis as

Balta and he sounds like a crazy person.

684

: 00:26:43

Everything he says sounds

like a crazy person.

685

: 00:26:45

Like he

686

: 00:26:46

is.

687

: 00:26:46

Laura: talk.

688

: 00:26:46

Yeah.

689

: 00:26:47

Ryan: He is.

690

: 00:26:47

And this is the fun part of this era

of the show is Balta is no longer

691

: 00:26:51

having to hide anything really.

692

: 00:26:54

Like he still is hiding random

things, but like in all honesty,

693

: 00:26:57

this is the most open he's had to be

and he still comes across as insane.

694

: 00:27:01

And then having his own words, parroted

back to him makes him feel confident

695

: 00:27:07

in himself, which is just so perfect

of capturing who guy is Bulli is.

696

: 00:27:11

He needs to be.

697

: 00:27:13

Told his own words to admire

something, and it's himself.

698

: 00:27:18

And you know, this lawyer's just come

in, he's read this book or whatever,

699

: 00:27:23

and he just goes, I, and he sees this

crazy man talking to him and he just

700

: 00:27:26

goes, I know how to manipulate him.

701

: 00:27:27

He even said to, to Rosalyn earlier,

he's just like, Hey, for what

702

: 00:27:31

it's worth, I hate the fucking

guy, but I'm gonna do this case.

703

: 00:27:34

So he's just sitting here

listening to this crazy person

704

: 00:27:38

and he's just like, mm-hmm.

705

: 00:27:39

Mm-hmm.

706

: 00:27:39

Mm-hmm.

707

: 00:27:40

Now I'm gonna use this to,

to get you to do what I want.

708

: 00:27:43

It's just a simple thing, but it

just says so much about Bullar ego.

709

: 00:27:47

Laura: Yeah.

710

: 00:27:48

and the lawyer's just so in control.

711

: 00:27:52

He's just like in control of everything.

712

: 00:27:55

Really quick.

713

: 00:27:56

It reminds me of the, the technique

people talk about on the internet about

714

: 00:28:01

gray rocking and just like not giving

anybody who is like clearly trolling

715

: 00:28:07

your time, not giving them anything.

716

: 00:28:09

And I was like, man, that's this man.

717

: 00:28:11

He's just.

718

: 00:28:13

He's gonna let you spin and spin out.

719

: 00:28:17

Yeah.

720

: 00:28:18

Xhafer: Lambkin wants to go to

the records room on Colonial One

721

: 00:28:22

and ask s Lee to take him there.

722

: 00:28:23

Lambkin has clearly observed

that something has happened and

723

: 00:28:27

everyone on the ship knows it and

it's bothering Lee, whatever it

724

: 00:28:32

is, everyone's treating Lee like

something terrible has happened to him.

725

: 00:28:36

Laura: Mm-hmm.

726

: 00:28:37

Xhafer: And so he asked Lee if it's

his job to protect him or stop him.

727

: 00:28:41

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

728

: 00:28:42

okay, so one of the things I love about

this character as well, I say love.

729

: 00:28:47

It's a love hate thing because

you have to be in the rhythm

730

: 00:28:50

of the show to appreciate this.

731

: 00:28:52

But it's also very funny to consider what

the show previously was, which was like

732

: 00:28:56

the very grouty and real, which is Romo.

733

: 00:28:58

Lampkin speaks in nothing but like,

who cares about subtext anymore?

734

: 00:29:03

I, a guest character that's come

out of the ether have the complete

735

: 00:29:07

understanding to an almost godlike

degree of every single character

736

: 00:29:11

and every single theme of the show.

737

: 00:29:13

I'm gonna say them out loud and

738

: 00:29:16

Xhafer: just, he's watching

Battlestar Galactica.

739

: 00:29:18

Ryan: watching it too.

740

: 00:29:19

Xhafer: yeah, he's watching it with us.

741

: 00:29:21

Ryan: And it's insane.

742

: 00:29:22

And it's to a degree of almost

annoying that every line he says

743

: 00:29:27

in this episode is just, this is

the subtext of the scene set aloud.

744

: 00:29:33

This is the metaphor

that we're going with.

745

: 00:29:35

This is the motif.

746

: 00:29:36

This is the theme.

747

: 00:29:36

Like he is.

748

: 00:29:38

A bizarre concoction for the script.

749

: 00:29:41

Like everything about him is a

quirk and yet I fucking love it.

750

: 00:29:48

And you team him up with Lee,

the world's wettest blanket.

751

: 00:29:52

And it's such a great dynamic.

752

: 00:29:54

Like Lee's, just like you telling

me to fly you over to Colonial One.

753

: 00:29:57

Why me?

754

: 00:29:58

I'm just the best pilot of

the fucking fleet, but why me?

755

: 00:30:02

And and he just puts, he just roasts him.

756

: 00:30:05

Like Leah dama, especially out

of anyone, needs to be roasted.

757

: 00:30:10

And they're like, and the

writers realize, oh crap.

758

: 00:30:13

None of our main characters can

roast Lee anymore 'cause they've

759

: 00:30:16

been doing it for with no results.

760

: 00:30:18

We need someone from the outside.

761

: 00:30:20

We need a walking plot

device called Romo Lampkin.

762

: 00:30:26

Laura: he's kind of like

an audience stand-in.

763

: 00:30:28

'cause like the audience has all of this

360 view that none of the characters has.

764

: 00:30:34

And I, I think I said this

to Jair in a recent episode

765

: 00:30:36

that like, I'm getting tired.

766

: 00:30:38

'cause I'm like, we know that Gais

Baltar is a bad person 'cause we

767

: 00:30:43

have the audience view and we can

see everything is very, very bad.

768

: 00:30:47

But not all of the characters have

that like window into his life.

769

: 00:30:52

And so it's nice to have

somebody walk in and be like,

770

: 00:30:56

yeah, this is a fucking idiot.

771

: 00:30:58

And I'm gonna, I'm gonna like manipulate

him a little bit just for you guys.

772

: 00:31:03

'cause you're, you're very

distressed right now, Laura,

773

: 00:31:05

and I'm gonna do this for you.

774

: 00:31:07

Ryan: And the way he speaks.

775

: 00:31:10

See, this is the benefit of

what I mean by the the in.

776

: 00:31:12

If you're in the rhythm of Battlestar,

the way he speaks in another series,

777

: 00:31:17

in another context could be Hamfisted,

could be awkward, could be artificial.

778

: 00:31:22

But in the DNA of this show,

from the very beginning we have

779

: 00:31:27

characters speak like this.

780

: 00:31:28

Head six exists as a character who

speaks almost exactly like this.

781

: 00:31:34

So when you see another character

who comes in and they're just like

782

: 00:31:36

this too, it doesn't feel like, okay,

someone went a bit crazy on the script.

783

: 00:31:40

'cause we have people in this

show literally walk in and they

784

: 00:31:44

have the knowledge of the writers

and express it in a way that's so

785

: 00:31:47

blunt that you have to admire it.

786

: 00:31:49

Almost like, yeah, Romo Lampkin just

looking at this Lima and he somehow knows

787

: 00:31:54

like the entire dynamic of the fleet.

788

: 00:31:56

He's just like, I know everything.

789

: 00:31:57

He's like, okay, thank you.

790

: 00:31:59

You are a lawyer with a cat.

791

: 00:32:01

Xhafer: It's, it's almost like, and

obviously he's not, but it's almost

792

: 00:32:06

like he's a cue from Star Trek

793

: 00:32:09

Laura: Mm.

794

: 00:32:10

Xhafer: in a handful of ways.

795

: 00:32:11

Like he shows up out of nowhere

is instantly very important.

796

: 00:32:15

Knows way more about everything

that he has any right to.

797

: 00:32:19

And just is there to fuck

with the characters and make

798

: 00:32:21

them dance how he feels.

799

: 00:32:23

They need to be dancing.

800

: 00:32:25

And that's, I mean, that's the

level of chaos that a cue will

801

: 00:32:28

bring to an episode of Star Trek.

802

: 00:32:30

And that's the level of chaos that

Roma Lambkin is bringing to the show.

803

: 00:32:33

It, it's very different

reasonings behind it.

804

: 00:32:37

And obviously, you know, he's like a dude.

805

: 00:32:39

So, you know, there's no superpowers

or nothing, but uh, I, I, I just,

806

: 00:32:44

it's an interesting parallel.

807

: 00:32:46

They go to board a Raptor,

captain Kelly tells Lee to stay

808

: 00:32:50

on board, and Lee's like, come on.

809

: 00:32:52

That meant no flying.

810

: 00:32:53

Not that I can't leave the ship, you

know, like this is different obviously.

811

: 00:32:58

Don't worry about it.

812

: 00:32:58

Captain Kelly also.

813

: 00:33:00

Hi,

814

: 00:33:00

Ryan: I'm just sweating.

815

: 00:33:01

I'm sweating profusely and just pulling

up my collar and in a shivery voice

816

: 00:33:05

saying, please don't get on the shiv Lee.

817

: 00:33:08

And he even says, I, he even

basically says, I like you.

818

: 00:33:11

Please don't get on the ship.

819

: 00:33:13

Xhafer: Yeah.

820

: 00:33:16

Laura: I mean the actor they picked

for Captain Kelly does look like a

821

: 00:33:20

dude who just sweats sometimes to me.

822

: 00:33:22

Especially in like a uniform.

823

: 00:33:24

This dude is sweating.

824

: 00:33:26

Xhafer: We haven't seen him

since like season two, right?

825

: 00:33:29

Like it's been a long time since

826

: 00:33:31

Ryan: I thought we, I thought we

saw him at the start of this season.

827

: 00:33:33

I thought he was one of the

828

: 00:33:34

people on

829

: 00:33:36

the

830

: 00:33:36

Xhafer: might've been on, he

831

: 00:33:37

Laura: Just like, just like a minute.

832

: 00:33:40

I don't think we've had a lot

of Captain Kelly, but I think

833

: 00:33:42

he has been in season three.

834

: 00:33:43

Yeah.

835

: 00:33:44

Ryan: Yeah.

836

: 00:33:44

And this is the joy of having minor

guest stars recur throughout the

837

: 00:33:48

show where, you know, you could say,

Hey, it's been a while since we've

838

: 00:33:50

seen him, but you know who he is.

839

: 00:33:52

Laura: Yeah.

840

: 00:33:52

Ryan: know what his deal is like.

841

: 00:33:53

He's a very simple character, so

we'll talk more about him as we go

842

: 00:33:57

through this episode, but like he's a

very simple character and everything

843

: 00:34:01

that they do with him makes sense.

844

: 00:34:03

Laura: Yeah.

845

: 00:34:03

I'm honestly, if I was not watching

Battlestar Galactica for a podcast,

846

: 00:34:07

I'm not sure I would know who

Captain Kelly was, like, I'm

847

: 00:34:10

not sure it would've registered.

848

: 00:34:12

Xhafer: he's had like five lines,

the whole show so far, but he is

849

: 00:34:16

been in probably a dozen episodes

850

: 00:34:19

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

851

: 00:34:20

Xhafer: over three seasons.

852

: 00:34:21

The last time we saw him, I just checked

real quick, was he was standing in for

853

: 00:34:24

Gada during the uh, duke Cap Rescue.

854

: 00:34:27

Ryan: Yep.

855

: 00:34:28

Thought so.

856

: 00:34:29

Laura: So that's been a freaking minute.

857

: 00:34:31

Yeah.

858

: 00:34:32

Hmm.

859

: 00:34:33

Xhafer: they're like getting on board.

860

: 00:34:35

The cat runs out and when they go to try

and find the cat, Tyrell finds the bomb

861

: 00:34:40

that's planted underneath the raptor

that they've been showing us dramatically

862

: 00:34:44

for a minute.

863

: 00:34:47

Ryan: How convenient.

864

: 00:34:49

What a way to find the bomb.

865

: 00:34:52

You asked earlier, why is the cat here?

866

: 00:34:54

We can do some, we get a whole

speeches about like the wife and

867

: 00:34:57

whatever, but the cat's here so we

could find a bomb in a way that is

868

: 00:35:02

stupid and makes you say, remember

when this show was deadly serious?

869

: 00:35:06

Like the first season was

like, we have no water.

870

: 00:35:08

What are we gonna do?

871

: 00:35:09

Now it's Katz.

872

: 00:35:10

Find the device of the episode.

873

: 00:35:12

Meow is so awesomely stupid.

874

: 00:35:17

Laura: The way that this cat escapes,

the way that we've seen this cat

875

: 00:35:21

in the scenes, it's like, this man

is just carrying a cat under his

876

: 00:35:24

arm everywhere he goes, because.

877

: 00:35:26

Ryan: Yes.

878

: 00:35:27

Laura: Theirs doesn't seem

to be like a cat carrier.

879

: 00:35:30

Cats famously hate that.

880

: 00:35:32

People, they hate being

carried like just under your

881

: 00:35:35

arm.

882

: 00:35:35

Ryan: has his cat in his briefcase.

883

: 00:35:38

He puts it in his bag with all of

his law stuff and stolen goods.

884

: 00:35:44

Laura: I'm sure that they love that too.

885

: 00:35:48

Ryan: They love finding bombs.

886

: 00:35:49

That's what cats are good at.

887

: 00:35:51

Laura: Yeah.

888

: 00:35:52

Bomb sniffing cats.

889

: 00:35:53

Ryan: seriously, it's such whiplash

because I haven't watched an episode of

890

: 00:35:57

BSG since I was on last, so it's been a

season and it is so stark how different

891

: 00:36:02

the show is in terms of tone in that way.

892

: 00:36:05

Like this episode is trying

to be deadly serious.

893

: 00:36:08

Very, very heady, very emotional.

894

: 00:36:10

You know, Romo, Lampkin sang all

these profound things, but we

895

: 00:36:14

also have a mad bomber plot that

we aren't that interested in.

896

: 00:36:17

And so to cut that corner, I don't know

what happens if they found the bomb.

897

: 00:36:22

Because Romo Lampkin has a cat's.

898

: 00:36:24

And it's like, could you imagine if

they did this in season one or two?

899

: 00:36:28

Not at all.

900

: 00:36:30

Absolutely.

901

: 00:36:30

Bonkers.

902

: 00:36:31

Laura: I have so many

questions about the cat.

903

: 00:36:33

Like how many other cats are in the fleet?

904

: 00:36:35

Like what's its name?

905

: 00:36:38

Are cats gonna go extinct now?

906

: 00:36:40

Like, are there enough cats that we can

breed on this fleet that we keep cats?

907

: 00:36:44

Ryan: Rosalyn's now.

908

: 00:36:45

Got a cat counter right up

there with the population.

909

: 00:36:50

Laura: and she's like

910

: 00:36:51

Ryan: one question mark.

911

: 00:36:53

Laura: mark.

912

: 00:36:56

Ryan: Uh,

913

: 00:36:56

Xhafer: there's probably actually

a handful of cats going around.

914

: 00:37:00

I would expect there to not be a lot

of dogs, but I would expect there to

915

: 00:37:04

be a fair amount of cats just due to

like how cats tend to be on ships.

916

: 00:37:12

Just like how ships exist currently.

917

: 00:37:15

It's very common for you to have cats on

ships because they help with pest control

918

: 00:37:19

and making sure that things don't travel

with you from port to port, that you don't

919

: 00:37:22

want traveling with you from port to port.

920

: 00:37:24

Cats are good for that.

921

: 00:37:25

Ryan: We had a picture of Kat

in this episode just talking

922

: 00:37:28

about cats we had in the show.

923

: 00:37:30

Um,

924

: 00:37:33

the character of Kat remembered them.

925

: 00:37:35

They

926

: 00:37:36

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

927

: 00:37:37

Ryan: Look, we do have a

dog in the show already.

928

: 00:37:39

He name's Hilo.

929

: 00:37:40

He's a big Labrador

930

: 00:37:42

Laura: Mm-hmm.

931

: 00:37:42

Mm-hmm.

932

: 00:37:43

Ryan: and we have a giant pussy.

933

: 00:37:44

His name's Balta.

934

: 00:37:46

Um, so we have, we have those in our cast.

935

: 00:37:49

Xhafer: A practical zoo.

936

: 00:37:51

After this we cut over.

937

: 00:37:52

The dad admiral is real upset because

Lee almost died and he can't lose all

938

: 00:37:57

of his kids, so he needs to do better.

939

: 00:38:00

Yep.

940

: 00:38:01

Laura: it's Lee's fault that, that he,

well, I mean, it kind of is though Lee's

941

: 00:38:04

fault that he almost died because like

942

: 00:38:08

Xhafer: No, no.

943

: 00:38:08

We actually, I don't think we talked

about this that much in that episode.

944

: 00:38:12

It is directly Lee's fault.

945

: 00:38:14

Kara dies and it mirrors exactly.

946

: 00:38:18

Kara being at fault for Lee's

brother dying because Kara

947

: 00:38:22

should have been grounded.

948

: 00:38:23

We did talk about it.

949

: 00:38:24

Okay,

950

: 00:38:24

good.

951

: 00:38:25

Ryan: Irony.

952

: 00:38:26

Hmm.

953

: 00:38:26

Have a think about that.

954

: 00:38:28

Laura: But also if he, he would've died

in this episode, it would've also been

955

: 00:38:32

his fault because he's literally, his job

is security and he's doing none securing.

956

: 00:38:37

Ryan: even that hidden.

957

: 00:38:38

It wasn't even that hidden.

958

: 00:38:39

You could see the light blinking,

like it wasn't like inside of a thing.

959

: 00:38:43

It was literally on the

outside of the ship.

960

: 00:38:45

It was right there.

961

: 00:38:47

And what I find so tiring about Lee and

Daddy dama arguments is like I want to

962

: 00:38:54

at some point agree with Lee just for

the sake of variety, but nine times

963

: 00:38:59

outta 10, I agree with Daddy Adama.

964

: 00:39:00

And it's so bizarre because this

series also wants you to question the

965

: 00:39:04

parental wisdom that's at play, you

know, with Rosalyn, with Adam dama.

966

: 00:39:09

But this, the issue that comes from

that is they are right more times

967

: 00:39:17

than not, especially compared to

the younger characters like Lee.

968

: 00:39:23

And it just.

969

: 00:39:25

I guess I kind of offset Rosalyn by

having Tory be, just be so evilly

970

: 00:39:29

incompetent that you just can't

help but be like, oh, I guess.

971

: 00:39:32

I guess, you know, Tory is not good.

972

: 00:39:35

I don't know, but it's just so

funny that like Lee's just like

973

: 00:39:38

my grief is so unimaginable.

974

: 00:39:41

You can't imagine my grief dad who's

lost so many people in his life.

975

: 00:39:46

You can't imagine what it's like.

976

: 00:39:47

For me,

977

: 00:39:48

Laura: Literally my brother.

978

: 00:39:50

Yeah.

979

: 00:39:53

Yes.

980

: 00:39:53

No, he does need to do a

better job because he should

981

: 00:39:58

have looked under that ship.

982

: 00:40:00

Like, duh.

983

: 00:40:02

This is literally how it happened before.

984

: 00:40:04

Bomb on Raptor is how the

first lawyer got like,

985

: 00:40:09

Ryan: it wasn't even a new trick.

986

: 00:40:11

Laura: yeah.

987

: 00:40:12

Ryan: Like it wasn't even a

new type of assassination.

988

: 00:40:14

It was the same.

989

: 00:40:15

Laura: better.

990

: 00:40:16

You're right.

991

: 00:40:17

I just, I, I do find myself empathizing

a lot more with Adam and Roslyn than I

992

: 00:40:22

think maybe the show had wanted me to.

993

: 00:40:27

I don't know.

994

: 00:40:28

I don't know what that says about me.

995

: 00:40:29

Xhafer: The deck crew has a

meeting to talk about the bomb.

996

: 00:40:32

Laura: yes.

997

: 00:40:33

Very interesting meeting.

998

: 00:40:35

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

999

: 00:40:36

Kelly is upset about Rick

Shaw Baltar's lawyer around.

: 1000

00:40:40,958 --> 00:40:42,638

They had Rick Shaw's on the colonies.

: 1001

00:40:43,928 --> 00:40:46,763

That's kind of a weird specific

cultural reference to make.

: 1002

00:40:47,558 --> 00:40:48,128

Ryan: Yeah.

: 1003

00:40:49,133 --> 00:40:49,343

Laura: Hmm.

: 1004

00:40:49,568 --> 00:40:49,718

Xhafer: Eh,

: 1005

00:40:50,408 --> 00:40:50,708

Ryan: yeah.

: 1006

00:40:50,708 --> 00:40:51,158

Bizarre.

: 1007

00:40:51,188 --> 00:40:53,108

Now let's keep referring

to Greek God names.

: 1008

00:40:53,558 --> 00:40:53,948

Yeah.

: 1009

00:40:53,948 --> 00:40:54,458

Um,

: 1010

00:40:57,578 --> 00:40:58,298

Xhafer: Fair.

: 1011

00:41:00,428 --> 00:41:01,118

Ryan: yeah.

: 1012

00:41:01,118 --> 00:41:04,796

But while we look at our papers with

the uh, corn is cutoff 'cause we

: 1013

00:41:04,796 --> 00:41:06,296

are different in science fiction.

: 1014

00:41:06,806 --> 00:41:07,106

Yeah.

: 1015

00:41:08,021 --> 00:41:11,231

They're planet that don't have

pockets, but they do have Rick Shores.

: 1016

00:41:11,291 --> 00:41:11,831

Awesome.

: 1017

00:41:12,862 --> 00:41:15,007

Xhafer: Uh, Callie

thinks it's the silence.

: 1018

00:41:15,337 --> 00:41:16,507

Athena disagrees.

: 1019

00:41:19,567 --> 00:41:22,597

Uh, So there's a deleted

scene in this episode

: 1020

00:41:22,912 --> 00:41:23,092

Ryan: What?

: 1021

00:41:23,827 --> 00:41:24,847

Laura: tell me about it.

: 1022

00:41:24,937 --> 00:41:28,507

Xhafer: and it's of, it's

of the more noteworthy ones.

: 1023

00:41:28,984 --> 00:41:32,464

Uh, So I have a short

description of it here.

: 1024

00:41:32,764 --> 00:41:33,754

It's related to this.

: 1025

00:41:33,754 --> 00:41:38,374

It takes place after this and it's

a Athena and call on the hangar

: 1026

00:41:38,374 --> 00:41:40,144

deck after everyone else leaves.

: 1027

00:41:40,909 --> 00:41:44,539

Athena asked Callie why she

accused her of being the bomber.

: 1028

00:41:44,899 --> 00:41:48,349

And Callie's, like, I didn't

make, I didn't directly accuse

: 1029

00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:50,209

you so much as I just said.

: 1030

00:41:50,209 --> 00:41:51,019

Cylons.

: 1031

00:41:51,869 --> 00:41:55,949

Athena responds that she didn't

accuse or imply that Callie is the

: 1032

00:41:55,949 --> 00:41:59,639

bomber, even though Callie was the

last deckhand to inspect the Raptor.

: 1033

00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,519

So throws a little shade at Callie there.

: 1034

00:42:03,299 --> 00:42:06,959

Athena allows Callie to take her

gun and hold it to her chest.

: 1035

00:42:07,555 --> 00:42:10,795

Athena states, she knows why

Callie, despite her intense hatred

: 1036

00:42:10,795 --> 00:42:12,325

for silence, won't shoot her.

: 1037

00:42:12,685 --> 00:42:15,955

It's because she knows Athena loves

her husband, her daughter in Galactica.

: 1038

00:42:16,435 --> 00:42:20,395

Callie, according to Athena, would never

dare to take a child's mother away.

: 1039

00:42:21,355 --> 00:42:22,705

There's a few tense moments.

: 1040

00:42:22,705 --> 00:42:27,205

Athena grabs the gun, points it at

Callie's head and states in unambiguous

: 1041

00:42:27,205 --> 00:42:31,315

terms that if Callie's discovered to be

the bomber, Athena will kill her herself.

: 1042

00:42:32,570 --> 00:42:33,030

Ryan: Oh, okay.

: 1043

00:42:33,845 --> 00:42:34,065

Laura: wow.

: 1044

00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:36,250

Ryan: Lot of reasons why that's cut, huh?

: 1045

00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:39,409

Xhafer: There's a, there's a

handful of reasons why that's cut.

: 1046

00:42:39,769 --> 00:42:42,289

Um, obviously you don't want,

there's a little bit of shade thrown

: 1047

00:42:42,289 --> 00:42:43,909

at Cali that doesn't need to be.

: 1048

00:42:44,659 --> 00:42:48,345

Uh, So that's kind of just like

a point, pointless plot point.

: 1049

00:42:48,835 --> 00:42:53,765

it's a little, I mean, it's a little

dramatic probably a little overdramatic

: 1050

00:42:54,075 --> 00:43:00,315

but I do like the callback to Callie

shooting Boomer and having the imagery

: 1051

00:43:00,315 --> 00:43:02,115

of her holding the gun on Athena now.

: 1052

00:43:02,130 --> 00:43:04,560

Ryan: But they already did that

well with a line of dialogue

: 1053

00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:06,540

in the scene that we did get.

: 1054

00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:10,350

Like Callie makes a reference of the fact,

like, not all of us have a second chance.

: 1055

00:43:10,350 --> 00:43:12,300

And then she looks and says, or third.

: 1056

00:43:12,945 --> 00:43:15,855

You know, and it's, it's good because

this is, you know, a character

: 1057

00:43:15,855 --> 00:43:19,569

who has killed a Sharon before

who says this line very pointedly.

: 1058

00:43:19,569 --> 00:43:22,119

So it's like, okay, that makes sense.

: 1059

00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:23,499

That's a good, that's good enough.

: 1060

00:43:23,529 --> 00:43:23,949

You know?

: 1061

00:43:23,949 --> 00:43:28,059

And so this big scene that also

in an episode about fathers and

: 1062

00:43:28,059 --> 00:43:31,389

sons, that scene's also very much

about mothers, which is like,

: 1063

00:43:31,389 --> 00:43:32,949

okay, you have to, you have to

: 1064

00:43:32,949 --> 00:43:33,669

reign in.

: 1065

00:43:34,149 --> 00:43:35,409

We have to reign in our themes.

: 1066

00:43:35,409 --> 00:43:39,429

We've got a character who's telling

us them aloud with Ro ro with Lampkin.

: 1067

00:43:40,209 --> 00:43:42,279

Um, yeah, this was a good scene though.

: 1068

00:43:42,279 --> 00:43:45,969

Like, I liked Kelly's whole point of

view about like, he's like upset with

: 1069

00:43:45,969 --> 00:43:49,539

all of the tensions going on, and

like, we're gonna have to deal with

: 1070

00:43:49,539 --> 00:43:52,839

BTA who's clearly guilty, and we should

just fucking get rid of this guy.

: 1071

00:43:52,839 --> 00:43:54,489

He sucks, which is true.

: 1072

00:43:54,489 --> 00:43:55,089

He does suck.

: 1073

00:43:55,089 --> 00:43:57,609

Like they, they have a little bit

of the moral quandary of like, why

: 1074

00:43:57,609 --> 00:43:59,769

are we even doing these trials?

: 1075

00:44:00,534 --> 00:44:04,234

Who gives a fuck gets brought up

a couple of times in this episode,

: 1076

00:44:04,234 --> 00:44:05,704

like, what's even the point?

: 1077

00:44:05,764 --> 00:44:06,964

Are we just fanning flames?

: 1078

00:44:06,964 --> 00:44:10,144

Like it's, it's all, it's all

valuable stuff to ponder about.

: 1079

00:44:10,144 --> 00:44:15,124

But yeah, it's, it's a nice scene and

it gives Kelly a voice in an episode.

: 1080

00:44:15,124 --> 00:44:18,244

Like, he's like, I have this strict

opinion, which is going to be important.

: 1081

00:44:18,652 --> 00:44:21,382

Laura: I do think this scene

might've been where I thought that

: 1082

00:44:21,382 --> 00:44:23,302

the bomb builder was Callie though,

: 1083

00:44:23,772 --> 00:44:24,352

Ryan: Mm-hmm hmm.

: 1084

00:44:24,622 --> 00:44:28,222

Laura: because the way she

was so quick to jacquees,

: 1085

00:44:29,032 --> 00:44:35,692

The silos and I, I wondered if she was

like actually accusing Sharon or just be

: 1086

00:44:35,692 --> 00:44:43,279

like, you know something and you're not

sharing it, so you're just as guilty,

: 1087

00:44:43,579 --> 00:44:45,439

like you have to know about other cys.

: 1088

00:44:45,604 --> 00:44:48,394

Ryan: and she does point

to the silent method of.

: 1089

00:44:48,934 --> 00:44:53,374

Ruining the fleet in the past that Sharon

was, the previous, Sharon was guilty of

: 1090

00:44:53,374 --> 00:44:57,424

like, they come in, be like us, disrupt

us from the inside, and then take us out.

: 1091

00:44:57,424 --> 00:45:00,364

Like that is something that's

happened in the show where the

: 1092

00:45:00,364 --> 00:45:04,144

interesting angle is, is Callie is

also very defensive about Bolder.

: 1093

00:45:04,804 --> 00:45:08,194

That's something she's like, I, she

doesn't like all this smack talk.

: 1094

00:45:08,194 --> 00:45:10,594

It's like, Hey, he's

not that bad of a guy.

: 1095

00:45:10,594 --> 00:45:13,714

Like, hey, can, like, she tries to

give a little bit of like defense to

: 1096

00:45:13,714 --> 00:45:16,084

Balta, which is like, no one wants that.

: 1097

00:45:16,726 --> 00:45:19,366

Laura: Well, we know she

read the manifesto from

: 1098

00:45:19,831 --> 00:45:20,521

Ryan: Exactly.

: 1099

00:45:20,521 --> 00:45:24,361

She, she, she, you know, she

loves cult, cult of personality

: 1100

00:45:24,361 --> 00:45:25,441

stuff, you know, that's

: 1101

00:45:25,516 --> 00:45:27,706

Laura: She's drinking the Kool-Aid.

: 1102

00:45:28,369 --> 00:45:31,489

Xhafer: Romo asks who he has

to bribe to see capper ca six.

: 1103

00:45:32,535 --> 00:45:33,375

Good question.

: 1104

00:45:33,975 --> 00:45:38,385

Lee meets with Rosalyn

and Tory and dad is there.

: 1105

00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:42,830

They determine that Roman Romo

can interview Caprica six, but

: 1106

00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,160

it's gonna be under the same

conditions that the prosecution did.

: 1107

00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:50,450

So that's the interrogation room

actively being monitored, including

: 1108

00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:54,020

by one of the judges because it adamo

was present for the previous one.

: 1109

00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:58,230

I'm guessing that was

before he was chosen.

: 1110

00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,290

They don't expressly say that,

but that would make sense.

: 1111

00:46:01,605 --> 00:46:01,895

Laura: Sure.

: 1112

00:46:02,310 --> 00:46:08,820

Xhafer: Uh, so Tori can't find some

files and Rosalyn can't find her glasses.

: 1113

00:46:09,375 --> 00:46:09,465

Ryan: Hmm.

: 1114

00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:10,440

Laura: Hmm.

: 1115

00:46:10,755 --> 00:46:11,145

Ryan: Odd.

: 1116

00:46:12,078 --> 00:46:12,438

Laura: Yeah.

: 1117

00:46:12,573 --> 00:46:15,273

Ryan: Just weird that this is

being brought up all of a sudden.

: 1118

00:46:15,273 --> 00:46:17,973

I, I'm sure it won't get into

some quirky speech later.

: 1119

00:46:19,083 --> 00:46:19,938

Laura: Yeah, yeah.

: 1120

00:46:20,028 --> 00:46:22,788

And it was weird that in the

like little vignette in between

: 1121

00:46:22,788 --> 00:46:26,118

where Baltar is, is getting ready

to write down his crazy talk.

: 1122

00:46:26,538 --> 00:46:28,008

He can't find his pen either,

: 1123

00:46:28,268 --> 00:46:28,558

Ryan: Yeah,

: 1124

00:46:30,223 --> 00:46:30,443

Laura: Huh.

: 1125

00:46:30,633 --> 00:46:30,723

Ryan: Huh.

: 1126

00:46:31,593 --> 00:46:32,943

Odd, weird.

: 1127

00:46:33,731 --> 00:46:38,861

Xhafer: Romo goes to interview six and

opens with, so y'all were banging, right?

: 1128

00:46:39,056 --> 00:46:39,476

Ryan: Hmm.

: 1129

00:46:40,658 --> 00:46:42,128

Xhafer: Just like right into it.

: 1130

00:46:47,802 --> 00:46:48,222

Ryan: As you

: 1131

00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:48,422

should.

: 1132

00:46:49,329 --> 00:46:52,479

Xhafer: this is her response to

bringing up his name initially.

: 1133

00:46:52,689 --> 00:46:56,679

This is, this is the start of their

standing at this conversation.

: 1134

00:46:57,459 --> 00:46:58,959

And Rosalyn is pleased.

: 1135

00:46:59,829 --> 00:47:01,209

You know, she's like, chef's kiss.

: 1136

00:47:01,209 --> 00:47:02,379

This is gonna work out for us.

: 1137

00:47:02,379 --> 00:47:03,069

She hates him.

: 1138

00:47:03,459 --> 00:47:07,359

But this is not how this

stays for very long.

: 1139

00:47:07,689 --> 00:47:12,229

Because Romo and Capric assist

begin to discuss love and loss.

: 1140

00:47:12,619 --> 00:47:14,659

He gives six guises missing pen.

: 1141

00:47:14,909 --> 00:47:15,329

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

: 1142

00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:20,179

Xhafer: He tells her on the pain of

the loss of love that they share.

: 1143

00:47:20,809 --> 00:47:23,719

He asks if Cylon love

hurts, like human love.

: 1144

00:47:23,959 --> 00:47:28,649

Why someone would make that decision

to program you that way to be able

: 1145

00:47:28,649 --> 00:47:30,509

to experience this type of pain.

: 1146

00:47:31,439 --> 00:47:36,809

And six flips around here so quick

that it gives Rosalyn and Adam a

: 1147

00:47:36,809 --> 00:47:39,479

whiplash from the observation booth.

: 1148

00:47:40,195 --> 00:47:42,360

Ryan: It's probably the best scene

of the show, of the, of the episode.

: 1149

00:47:43,315 --> 00:47:45,085

In my opinion, it's an excellent

: 1150

00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:45,930

Xhafer: it's fantastic.

: 1151

00:47:46,345 --> 00:47:52,225

Ryan: What I really appreciate about it

is this is one of the few times, if ever

: 1152

00:47:52,225 --> 00:47:56,875

in the show, another character has spoken

to six the way she speaks to other people.

: 1153

00:47:57,425 --> 00:48:01,705

This is often the stuff that she

brings up and uh, talks about, whether

: 1154

00:48:01,705 --> 00:48:03,265

it's Caprica or the other version.

: 1155

00:48:03,265 --> 00:48:05,215

Like this is often a recurring thing.

: 1156

00:48:05,635 --> 00:48:08,995

So it's kind of interesting to

see someone else do it to her for

: 1157

00:48:08,995 --> 00:48:10,975

a change and as a manipulation.

: 1158

00:48:11,185 --> 00:48:14,305

That's something about it too,

is it's a clear manipulation.

: 1159

00:48:14,305 --> 00:48:18,715

We know it Rosalyn and all that, know,

everyone knows it in some way or another,

: 1160

00:48:18,715 --> 00:48:23,305

but it speaks to some sort of truth that's

at the center of six's character that

: 1161

00:48:23,305 --> 00:48:25,435

we have seen for the last three seasons.

: 1162

00:48:26,125 --> 00:48:28,195

It's just awesome stuff.

: 1163

00:48:28,225 --> 00:48:31,345

And like, you know, everything he's

saying about bullar is like, wrapped up

: 1164

00:48:31,345 --> 00:48:38,065

in lies or obfuscations or embellishments

of, of things, especially as, as BTA

: 1165

00:48:38,395 --> 00:48:40,345

represented himself in this episode.

: 1166

00:48:40,345 --> 00:48:44,605

You're like, oh, bta is he, he, he's

like, she's an angle we can work.

: 1167

00:48:45,355 --> 00:48:49,285

So even more emphasizing

like BTA does not care.

: 1168

00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:50,950

Her in anyway.

: 1169

00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:53,590

So this whole back and forth is wonderful.

: 1170

00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:55,390

Even when you think

about a few scenes ago,

: 1171

00:48:55,887 --> 00:49:00,327

Laura: I guess the thing that

makes me so mad about this scene is

: 1172

00:49:00,327 --> 00:49:06,357

like, I just want the girls on the

show to have some standards like.

: 1173

00:49:07,617 --> 00:49:08,697

Falter sucks.

: 1174

00:49:08,697 --> 00:49:11,577

And she starts out knowing he sucks.

: 1175

00:49:12,057 --> 00:49:13,407

He super sucks,

: 1176

00:49:13,857 --> 00:49:14,277

Ryan: yeah,

: 1177

00:49:14,547 --> 00:49:19,497

Laura: and yet she doesn't want,

and it's weird because it's like,

: 1178

00:49:19,497 --> 00:49:22,767

yeah, she, she did the genocide.

: 1179

00:49:22,827 --> 00:49:24,447

Ryan: killed a baby in the first episode.

: 1180

00:49:24,447 --> 00:49:24,657

Yeah.

: 1181

00:49:24,807 --> 00:49:25,947

Laura: yeah, yeah.

: 1182

00:49:26,337 --> 00:49:27,087

But I'm like, I,

: 1183

00:49:28,167 --> 00:49:28,257

Xhafer: a

: 1184

00:49:28,527 --> 00:49:32,937

Laura: I still want her to have some

justice for like his walking all over her.

: 1185

00:49:34,137 --> 00:49:37,077

Like, I don't know why I feel that way.

: 1186

00:49:37,107 --> 00:49:38,217

I just do.

: 1187

00:49:38,787 --> 00:49:43,107

And you know, when, then when you couple

that with like watching, watching this go

: 1188

00:49:43,107 --> 00:49:49,827

down with like watching Dee go back to Lee

again and some of the weird stuff Callie's

: 1189

00:49:49,827 --> 00:49:55,197

done and then, I mean, a lot of Starbucks

problems are like her own creation,

: 1190

00:49:55,467 --> 00:49:56,397

Ryan: It's actually kind of interesting.

: 1191

00:49:56,397 --> 00:49:59,637

It's in the reverse with Starbuck because

it's like Anders is the one that gets

: 1192

00:49:59,637 --> 00:50:03,327

all of the stuff that the women do in

this show, like Anders gets it, which

: 1193

00:50:03,327 --> 00:50:06,837

is, I don't know if that's

just by accident or on purpose,

: 1194

00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:08,757

but it's something to chew on.

: 1195

00:50:08,847 --> 00:50:11,217

Another thing about this scene

that's also just interesting

: 1196

00:50:11,217 --> 00:50:12,597

to me, like the way it's shot.

: 1197

00:50:13,527 --> 00:50:17,157

And even some of the lines just like,

again, like, you know, if you are into

: 1198

00:50:17,157 --> 00:50:21,507

the rhythm and the ticks of these writers

made me think of when Cavel first showed

: 1199

00:50:21,507 --> 00:50:23,457

up and started talking to the chief.

: 1200

00:50:23,457 --> 00:50:26,607

Like when you look back on that

scene, that's all manipulation.

: 1201

00:50:26,607 --> 00:50:28,227

Like he's feeding him

what he wants to hear.

: 1202

00:50:28,377 --> 00:50:32,967

And it is just fun whenever the writers

have these scenes of two people sitting

: 1203

00:50:32,967 --> 00:50:35,187

in a room clearly opposed to one another.

: 1204

00:50:35,187 --> 00:50:37,917

And then the other one sweet talks

them into a different opinion like

: 1205

00:50:38,217 --> 00:50:42,447

this is some of the best writing of of

BSG consistently throughout the show.

: 1206

00:50:42,447 --> 00:50:43,797

Is this type of

: 1207

00:50:43,797 --> 00:50:44,397

writing,

: 1208

00:50:45,259 --> 00:50:49,099

Laura: I just want Caprica six to

get justice for her hurt feelings.

: 1209

00:50:49,099 --> 00:50:51,739

'cause he's a big bastard and I hate him.

: 1210

00:50:54,014 --> 00:50:55,564

Xhafer: maybe that will happen.

: 1211

00:50:56,009 --> 00:50:56,789

Ryan: uh, Objection.

: 1212

00:50:56,789 --> 00:50:57,719

Have you considered that?

: 1213

00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:58,739

He's just a little guy.

: 1214

00:50:59,309 --> 00:51:00,509

He's just a little guy.

: 1215

00:51:01,859 --> 00:51:02,639

He's just a little guy.

: 1216

00:51:03,509 --> 00:51:04,739

Done nothing.

: 1217

00:51:08,789 --> 00:51:10,934

Have you considered that he hurts too?

: 1218

00:51:13,214 --> 00:51:13,664

Xhafer: no.

: 1219

00:51:14,264 --> 00:51:20,444

Over in the pilots galley, Lee and

Romo have a drink discussing why

: 1220

00:51:20,444 --> 00:51:23,534

we do anything at all our flaws.

: 1221

00:51:23,894 --> 00:51:28,274

Our demons, compassion, fighting

against our nature and logic.

: 1222

00:51:29,091 --> 00:51:34,161

Another really good scene in an

episode of really good scenes,

: 1223

00:51:34,941 --> 00:51:35,451

Ryan: Yes.

: 1224

00:51:36,321 --> 00:51:41,211

This is one of those scenes in which the

character speaks nothing but subtext.

: 1225

00:51:41,241 --> 00:51:43,761

So you have to be on board with that.

: 1226

00:51:43,791 --> 00:51:48,321

Like it is a whole scene of like,

I'm not going to really pretend

: 1227

00:51:48,321 --> 00:51:51,741

like I'm a normal character that

exists in the world of naturalism.

: 1228

00:51:51,741 --> 00:51:56,781

I'm going to be an ethereal God who

wanders through your character arc

: 1229

00:51:56,781 --> 00:51:58,701

and mocks it and or critiques it.

: 1230

00:51:58,701 --> 00:51:59,901

Also, I knew your granddad.

: 1231

00:51:59,901 --> 00:52:01,131

I'm gonna bring that into.

: 1232

00:52:01,656 --> 00:52:01,946

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1233

00:52:02,051 --> 00:52:05,486

Lest we forget the files make

it over from Colonial one.

: 1234

00:52:06,026 --> 00:52:09,686

They're fine, but the door isn't,

as a guard realizes something's

: 1235

00:52:09,686 --> 00:52:14,036

amiss when they finds a bolt on

the ground and saves Lampkins life.

: 1236

00:52:14,508 --> 00:52:14,728

Ryan: Mm,

: 1237

00:52:14,908 --> 00:52:20,038

Laura: yeah, I, I did enjoy the,

like, I don't know, obfuscation

: 1238

00:52:20,098 --> 00:52:23,068

of FI's got the files right?

: 1239

00:52:24,058 --> 00:52:27,718

And he's just one, one guy

ready to hand over these files

: 1240

00:52:27,748 --> 00:52:28,738

and they're like, no, no, no.

: 1241

00:52:29,218 --> 00:52:30,928

We gotta check these files.

: 1242

00:52:31,528 --> 00:52:32,548

You gotta check them.

: 1243

00:52:33,148 --> 00:52:35,998

And then it turns out it's the,

the door panel right behind

: 1244

00:52:36,013 --> 00:52:36,523

Ryan: Yeah.

: 1245

00:52:36,853 --> 00:52:41,543

They even set up, they even, they even

set in the scene that uh, Kelly, you

: 1246

00:52:41,543 --> 00:52:45,143

know, x-rayed these files, cleared

these files before we sent them over.

: 1247

00:52:45,143 --> 00:52:48,593

So even that's seeded in the brain

from when we get to where we do later.

: 1248

00:52:48,653 --> 00:52:50,933

Like his name is popping

up a lot This episode.

: 1249

00:52:51,623 --> 00:52:51,863

Laura: Uhhuh.

: 1250

00:52:52,313 --> 00:52:52,703

Yeah.

: 1251

00:52:52,758 --> 00:52:53,048

Yeah.

: 1252

00:52:53,743 --> 00:52:57,798

Xhafer: Lee goes to visit Lambkin

in Med Bay where the pile of stuff

: 1253

00:52:57,798 --> 00:53:01,608

he stole from everyone is revealed

and he explains his own demons.

: 1254

00:53:02,439 --> 00:53:06,039

He almost took Lee's photo of Kara,

but didn't figuring he suffered enough.

: 1255

00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:11,229

But he's got Baltar's pen, rosalyn's

glasses, adama's button that we saw

: 1256

00:53:11,229 --> 00:53:14,259

him playing with his uniform and

was missing a couple scenes ago.

: 1257

00:53:14,464 --> 00:53:14,814

Laura: Uhhuh.

: 1258

00:53:15,669 --> 00:53:19,509

Xhafer: And a blasting cap

cover from Captain Kelly.

: 1259

00:53:22,404 --> 00:53:25,614

Ryan: Oh, We didn't get to discuss

One of my favorite little interactions

: 1260

00:53:25,614 --> 00:53:30,981

was when Lee pressed Lampkin on if

the story about his, lover was true.

: 1261

00:53:31,581 --> 00:53:33,201

Like, was any of that true?

: 1262

00:53:33,771 --> 00:53:36,141

And he lowers his sunglasses.

: 1263

00:53:36,171 --> 00:53:39,321

'cause that's the thing too, like

Romo, Lampkin takes off his sunglasses

: 1264

00:53:39,321 --> 00:53:40,701

when he's trying to connect.

: 1265

00:53:41,481 --> 00:53:42,081

With people.

: 1266

00:53:42,081 --> 00:53:47,031

Like he did, he took the dramatic

sunglasses off when he talks to six uh,

: 1267

00:53:47,031 --> 00:53:50,451

and then he puts them on dramatically

and the camera zooms in, in a comedic

: 1268

00:53:50,481 --> 00:53:53,931

zoom, which they even include in the

opening credits, which was very funny.

: 1269

00:53:54,591 --> 00:53:56,301

But, um, or the previous, yeah.

: 1270

00:53:56,331 --> 00:53:58,234

But uh, I like that whole interaction.

: 1271

00:53:58,234 --> 00:54:01,264

It's very Garrick to me, where

it's just like, was any of it true?

: 1272

00:54:01,264 --> 00:54:02,434

Oh, all of it was true.

: 1273

00:54:02,464 --> 00:54:03,124

Even the lies.

: 1274

00:54:03,124 --> 00:54:04,084

Oh, especially the lies.

: 1275

00:54:04,084 --> 00:54:05,524

Like, it's that type of vibe.

: 1276

00:54:06,184 --> 00:54:06,844

Um, yeah.

: 1277

00:54:06,844 --> 00:54:08,314

And it's like, is anything true?

: 1278

00:54:08,314 --> 00:54:10,954

And even in this speech in the

Med Bay where he's like going over

: 1279

00:54:10,954 --> 00:54:14,794

all the things he stole, he keeps

changing the reasons he steals.

: 1280

00:54:15,484 --> 00:54:15,774

Laura: Yeah.

: 1281

00:54:16,825 --> 00:54:22,710

he made such a big deal of the speech

about the wife or whatever, but.

: 1282

00:54:23,696 --> 00:54:27,236

I think he told Rosalyn that his

wife had died and the cat was

: 1283

00:54:27,236 --> 00:54:27,806

hers.

: 1284

00:54:28,676 --> 00:54:30,926

And I think he told six that his wife had

: 1285

00:54:30,926 --> 00:54:31,796

left him

: 1286

00:54:31,871 --> 00:54:32,291

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

: 1287

00:54:33,331 --> 00:54:37,706

Laura: and, and just like nothing

is real and I wonder 'cause we

: 1288

00:54:37,706 --> 00:54:41,186

don't see the cat after did this,

did the cat die in the explosion?

: 1289

00:54:41,831 --> 00:54:43,481

Ryan: I you were gonna

say, was the cat real?

: 1290

00:54:43,541 --> 00:54:46,541

And that the cat was

inside of all of our heads.

: 1291

00:54:47,381 --> 00:54:47,771

How

: 1292

00:54:47,816 --> 00:54:49,226

Laura: cat is the memories we made along

: 1293

00:54:49,296 --> 00:54:49,586

Ryan: Yeah.

: 1294

00:54:49,591 --> 00:54:49,751

Yeah.

: 1295

00:54:49,781 --> 00:54:52,961

How insane would it have been if

the cat got picked up by head six?

: 1296

00:54:52,961 --> 00:54:54,431

That would be an insane thing.

: 1297

00:54:54,491 --> 00:54:58,031

Um, didn't happen, but I would

love it as an insane choice.

: 1298

00:54:58,091 --> 00:55:00,371

But, um, why?

: 1299

00:55:00,401 --> 00:55:00,581

Okay.

: 1300

00:55:00,581 --> 00:55:01,241

We talk about this.

: 1301

00:55:01,241 --> 00:55:02,801

We all like, we all have the vibe.

: 1302

00:55:02,801 --> 00:55:06,161

We like Lampkin, but

he's so clearly shady.

: 1303

00:55:06,251 --> 00:55:07,961

He literally is wearing shades.

: 1304

00:55:07,961 --> 00:55:09,071

That's how shady he is.

: 1305

00:55:09,131 --> 00:55:10,841

And yet we're all still talking about him.

: 1306

00:55:10,841 --> 00:55:13,871

Like, oh, he seems like a

very up, up, upstanding guy.

: 1307

00:55:13,871 --> 00:55:14,921

Relatively speaking.

: 1308

00:55:14,921 --> 00:55:17,141

Like he wants to represent fucking bullar.

: 1309

00:55:17,951 --> 00:55:18,371

Like,

: 1310

00:55:19,361 --> 00:55:20,381

Xhafer: For the glory.

: 1311

00:55:20,621 --> 00:55:21,941

Ryan: and for the glory yet.

: 1312

00:55:21,941 --> 00:55:22,901

I like him.

: 1313

00:55:23,111 --> 00:55:24,701

I like the, I like the dude.

: 1314

00:55:24,701 --> 00:55:29,081

He seems like he's, it's, I think a part

of it is he's just so opposed to Lee.

: 1315

00:55:29,906 --> 00:55:35,246

He has such clear reasons as to why that

I'm naturally inclined to like trust him.

: 1316

00:55:35,246 --> 00:55:36,716

I'm like, oh yeah, this guy has a point.

: 1317

00:55:37,901 --> 00:55:38,381

Laura: Yeah.

: 1318

00:55:38,891 --> 00:55:44,151

Well, and Papa dama is almost

like a legendary figure, right?

: 1319

00:55:44,151 --> 00:55:48,621

Because he's the admiral in this fleet.

: 1320

00:55:49,041 --> 00:55:53,271

But Grand Papa Dama is a mythical figure.

: 1321

00:55:53,271 --> 00:55:54,591

'cause we've never seen him.

: 1322

00:55:54,891 --> 00:55:56,241

He's only been talked about.

: 1323

00:55:56,481 --> 00:56:00,261

And so this guy is like the one

connection we have to like the,

: 1324

00:56:00,561 --> 00:56:04,101

not just the patriarch, but

the patriarch of the patriarch.

: 1325

00:56:04,101 --> 00:56:07,611

Like, ah, it's, you know,

: 1326

00:56:07,866 --> 00:56:08,676

Ryan: a good boy.

: 1327

00:56:09,096 --> 00:56:09,726

Yeah, be a

: 1328

00:56:09,771 --> 00:56:12,471

Xhafer: did they didn't get Mark

Shepherd for Caprica, did they?

: 1329

00:56:13,836 --> 00:56:14,166

Ryan: No.

: 1330

00:56:14,541 --> 00:56:15,051

Xhafer: No.

: 1331

00:56:15,111 --> 00:56:15,531

Okay.

: 1332

00:56:16,116 --> 00:56:21,006

Ryan: If only Mark Shep had a

son, then he could get them and

: 1333

00:56:21,006 --> 00:56:22,326

the lineage can continue to rule.

: 1334

00:56:23,621 --> 00:56:27,261

Xhafer: Lee goes and talks to

Kelly about the blasting cap.

: 1335

00:56:27,261 --> 00:56:28,671

He immediately owns up.

: 1336

00:56:28,671 --> 00:56:30,321

He's like, I need to be stopped.

: 1337

00:56:30,681 --> 00:56:32,301

I am not going to stop this.

: 1338

00:56:32,301 --> 00:56:33,351

You need to lock me up.

: 1339

00:56:33,351 --> 00:56:37,071

I've sent too many people to die for

that traitor, ballar to get a trial.

: 1340

00:56:37,071 --> 00:56:41,871

Fuck that You, the only way this

ends is with me killing Baltar,

: 1341

00:56:42,111 --> 00:56:44,301

or with you putting me in jail.

: 1342

00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:45,000

Laura: Yeah.

: 1343

00:56:45,412 --> 00:56:46,342

Xhafer: Some strong opinions.

: 1344

00:56:46,482 --> 00:56:46,792

Ryan: Yeah.

: 1345

00:56:47,242 --> 00:56:50,002

You know, fascinating too to think

some of the things we've been talking

: 1346

00:56:50,002 --> 00:56:53,632

about, this episode I was just mulling

over, like Laura brought up before she

: 1347

00:56:53,632 --> 00:56:55,342

thought Gator was involved with this.

: 1348

00:56:55,492 --> 00:57:00,502

It's actually kind of interesting that

the guy who stood in for Gator during

: 1349

00:57:00,562 --> 00:57:05,662

all the shit that went down is the guy

that has the hardest, like hardest line

: 1350

00:57:05,662 --> 00:57:08,272

vengeance for Balter at the moment.

: 1351

00:57:08,272 --> 00:57:12,352

Like he did not actually have to suffer

like he was on the Galactica Kelly, like

: 1352

00:57:12,352 --> 00:57:16,222

relatively speaking, he didn't have to

suffer as much, but he is the angriest.

: 1353

00:57:17,097 --> 00:57:17,487

Laura: Yeah.

: 1354

00:57:18,737 --> 00:57:19,757

Xhafer: It, it feels weird.

: 1355

00:57:20,341 --> 00:57:20,491

Ryan: I

: 1356

00:57:20,491 --> 00:57:20,881

don't know.

: 1357

00:57:20,881 --> 00:57:21,961

I I kind of disagree.

: 1358

00:57:21,961 --> 00:57:24,571

I think it just lines up with

what his character's stance

: 1359

00:57:24,571 --> 00:57:25,681

has been in these episodes.

: 1360

00:57:25,681 --> 00:57:28,621

Like he's a pat, like his thing is like,

he's kind of like a patriot and he's a

: 1361

00:57:28,621 --> 00:57:33,091

guy who's so clearly not that we have

to fucking kill this guy because we're

: 1362

00:57:33,091 --> 00:57:37,981

gonna do this whole Nuremberg and like,

oh, let's put up the war criminal for

: 1363

00:57:37,981 --> 00:57:39,961

trial and let them speak their peace.

: 1364

00:57:39,961 --> 00:57:42,001

And he is like, fuck that, fuck that.

: 1365

00:57:42,091 --> 00:57:43,051

I don't wanna do that.

: 1366

00:57:43,111 --> 00:57:43,711

Fuck him.

: 1367

00:57:43,861 --> 00:57:45,391

He's already got his

mind comfort out there.

: 1368

00:57:45,391 --> 00:57:46,231

Fuck that guy.

: 1369

00:57:46,981 --> 00:57:48,061

Xhafer: I hear where you're coming from.

: 1370

00:57:48,511 --> 00:57:54,811

I think that if this was a side

character from New Caprica, it

: 1371

00:57:54,811 --> 00:57:56,731

could have been more interesting.

: 1372

00:57:56,841 --> 00:57:59,271

They killed Dodger, right?

: 1373

00:57:59,541 --> 00:58:01,431

A couple episodes after New Caprica.

: 1374

00:58:01,911 --> 00:58:10,011

Um, if he had been like cleared and

not been executed or like someone along

: 1375

00:58:10,011 --> 00:58:14,241

those lines, maybe someone who's a little

bit more complicit in the stuff on New

: 1376

00:58:14,241 --> 00:58:18,591

Caprica that survived the tribunal,

either because they never got around them.

: 1377

00:58:19,221 --> 00:58:23,031

There's like people on this level of

character where you could do something.

: 1378

00:58:23,031 --> 00:58:27,621

'cause if it was Gada, I feel like

that has more plot implications

: 1379

00:58:27,621 --> 00:58:30,771

than they're going to be able to

flesh out in this episode because

: 1380

00:58:30,771 --> 00:58:32,331

Gita's been around for so much shit.

: 1381

00:58:32,556 --> 00:58:33,696

Ryan: I think it is interesting though.

: 1382

00:58:33,696 --> 00:58:37,356

I think it's actually important though

to have someone who wasn't on New Caprica

: 1383

00:58:37,356 --> 00:58:41,796

to show that even the people who weren't

on New Caprica have it out for Balta.

: 1384

00:58:42,396 --> 00:58:47,376

Like, I think it is super important

because you could make the divide of the

: 1385

00:58:47,376 --> 00:58:52,506

people who didn't suffer directly from

Boar's actions would be on his side.

: 1386

00:58:52,506 --> 00:58:54,336

And this episode saying

that's not true at all.

: 1387

00:58:54,606 --> 00:58:58,956

And the people who were directly

impacted, like Callie, who was

: 1388

00:58:58,956 --> 00:59:03,576

going to get executed, by the

way, um, she's on Boar's side.

: 1389

00:59:03,906 --> 00:59:07,356

So I think that's actually very

interesting that in this episode.

: 1390

00:59:08,016 --> 00:59:08,436

In this

: 1391

00:59:08,466 --> 00:59:08,946

Xhafer: she's dumb.

: 1392

00:59:08,946 --> 00:59:09,336

Laura.

: 1393

00:59:09,996 --> 00:59:10,266

Ryan: huh.

: 1394

00:59:10,401 --> 00:59:10,851

Laura: huh?

: 1395

00:59:12,036 --> 00:59:12,696

Xhafer: Laura mouthed.

: 1396

00:59:12,696 --> 00:59:13,326

Why?

: 1397

00:59:13,581 --> 00:59:13,971

Laura: No, no.

: 1398

00:59:13,971 --> 00:59:15,951

I am mouth bonkers because

: 1399

00:59:16,146 --> 00:59:18,606

Ryan: But like I think it's truly

fascinating, but that's the thing,

: 1400

00:59:18,606 --> 00:59:19,926

like life is crazy like that.

: 1401

00:59:19,926 --> 00:59:23,076

People who have been oppressed by

certain people will side with them.

: 1402

00:59:23,616 --> 00:59:25,566

It's sad, but it's true.

: 1403

00:59:25,776 --> 00:59:29,226

And I think this, yes, sigh

of big sigh and all of that

: 1404

00:59:29,661 --> 00:59:30,501

Laura: Screams in

: 1405

00:59:30,816 --> 00:59:31,656

Ryan: screams in.

: 1406

00:59:31,656 --> 00:59:33,996

Americans screams, screams

all over the world.

: 1407

00:59:33,996 --> 00:59:34,326

Heard.

: 1408

00:59:34,326 --> 00:59:37,056

But yeah, I think I actually, you know,

the more we're talking about it, the more

: 1409

00:59:37,056 --> 00:59:41,826

I like that Kelly is the guy behind this

and that we actually had Kelly be kind of

: 1410

00:59:41,826 --> 00:59:44,496

like a minor throwaway like element too.

: 1411

00:59:44,496 --> 00:59:47,406

Like I actually think this is actually

very interesting the more we discuss it.

: 1412

00:59:47,881 --> 00:59:48,301

Laura: Yeah.

: 1413

00:59:48,301 --> 00:59:48,571

I,

: 1414

00:59:48,901 --> 00:59:49,741

Xhafer: I get where you're coming from.

: 1415

00:59:49,741 --> 00:59:50,851

I, I, I appreciate that.

: 1416

00:59:50,911 --> 00:59:51,241

Yeah.

: 1417

00:59:52,261 --> 00:59:55,951

Laura: I didn't have any qualms about

the whole Kelly thing, and actually

: 1418

00:59:56,131 --> 01:00:03,905

it, I felt like the, the fact that

this bomb plot wasn't the driving

: 1419

01:00:03,905 --> 01:00:05,915

force of the episode was really good.

: 1420

01:00:06,125 --> 01:00:09,365

Ryan: Yeah, it's about Lee

and, and Lampkins discussions

: 1421

01:00:09,365 --> 01:00:10,445

more than anything else.

: 1422

01:00:10,990 --> 01:00:11,410

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

: 1423

01:00:12,463 --> 01:00:14,383

Laura: And we just sort

of catch him by accident.

: 1424

01:00:14,773 --> 01:00:15,133

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

: 1425

01:00:15,524 --> 01:00:19,494

Xhafer: Lee is reinstated to

flight status, but wants to help

: 1426

01:00:19,494 --> 01:00:23,544

with the trial and Papa DMA iss,

like you're not a fucking lawyer,

: 1427

01:00:24,182 --> 01:00:24,452

Ryan: And he is

: 1428

01:00:24,452 --> 01:00:24,932

like, you are not a

: 1429

01:00:24,932 --> 01:00:26,342

judge, so fuck you.

: 1430

01:00:27,197 --> 01:00:33,857

Xhafer: That is so different though,

like being on a jury and being

: 1431

01:00:33,857 --> 01:00:37,997

an expert in courtroom procedure

are very, very different things.

: 1432

01:00:38,987 --> 01:00:40,907

Ryan: Hey, I'll counter this.

: 1433

01:00:41,357 --> 01:00:43,907

Lee should have brought

up that the last time.

: 1434

01:00:44,552 --> 01:00:46,292

Papa Dama was a judge.

: 1435

01:00:46,352 --> 01:00:48,752

He dissolved the case

because he didn't like it.

: 1436

01:00:48,902 --> 01:00:52,082

And then that came up several times

to bite him in the fucking ass.

: 1437

01:00:52,172 --> 01:00:56,282

So if anyone should be worried about

their position, it's Papa dama.

: 1438

01:00:56,312 --> 01:00:57,992

But guess who didn't say that, Lee?

: 1439

01:00:57,992 --> 01:01:01,532

Because they don't think about Lee

making good points enough like this.

: 1440

01:01:01,712 --> 01:01:05,432

Instead, Lee just has to sn like

Bratt Lee crying through his eyes,

: 1441

01:01:05,432 --> 01:01:07,442

say, you shouldn't be a judge.

: 1442

01:01:07,712 --> 01:01:08,552

Give us more.

: 1443

01:01:08,672 --> 01:01:12,602

Like, this is the thing I, I know that I'm

being hyperbolic about my hatred of Lee.

: 1444

01:01:12,602 --> 01:01:13,952

He's my least favorite character.

: 1445

01:01:13,952 --> 01:01:15,602

But it's because of

little things like this.

: 1446

01:01:15,602 --> 01:01:20,192

It's like Lee has a point of view,

but they don't go into it enough.

: 1447

01:01:20,192 --> 01:01:24,542

And when they do, they make it in the

most bratty, petulant way possible.

: 1448

01:01:24,542 --> 01:01:28,742

Like, I want to side with Lee

way more than I do in the show.

: 1449

01:01:28,742 --> 01:01:31,922

Like he has points of view that on paper

I'm like, oh, this could be something.

: 1450

01:01:32,222 --> 01:01:34,382

But then they don't go far enough.

: 1451

01:01:34,382 --> 01:01:38,012

So like this back and forth between him

and Papa dama, it's the third time they've

: 1452

01:01:38,012 --> 01:01:41,042

done it this episode, and it doesn't feel

any different than the first time, other

: 1453

01:01:41,042 --> 01:01:43,142

than I don't wanna be tagged now.

: 1454

01:01:43,832 --> 01:01:46,742

And it feels like a teenager who's

like, I want to go to college.

: 1455

01:01:46,772 --> 01:01:48,002

I don't want to go to college.

: 1456

01:01:48,002 --> 01:01:50,012

And you just wanna rip your

hair out and go grow up.

: 1457

01:01:51,002 --> 01:01:51,452

Grow up.

: 1458

01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:52,510

Laura: Yeah.

: 1459

01:01:52,510 --> 01:01:53,050

No, and.

: 1460

01:01:54,316 --> 01:01:58,126

I feel like they're not even being

consistent necessarily with Adama, because

: 1461

01:01:58,126 --> 01:02:02,566

in the previous episode, I think where,

wherever it's discussed about Lee being

: 1462

01:02:02,566 --> 01:02:04,936

on this committee to help do the laws.

: 1463

01:02:05,716 --> 01:02:12,601

Adama says something about like,

oh, to Rosalyn, I, Lee has never

: 1464

01:02:12,601 --> 01:02:13,801

had any interest in the law.

: 1465

01:02:14,701 --> 01:02:17,791

But then he turns around and says

to Lee, like, I remember you always

: 1466

01:02:17,791 --> 01:02:19,381

being in your grandfather's study.

: 1467

01:02:20,011 --> 01:02:23,221

And now he's like, you're not a lawyer.

: 1468

01:02:23,221 --> 01:02:26,911

And but Lee told him in the last

episode he had wanted to be a lawyer.

: 1469

01:02:26,911 --> 01:02:29,581

If he hadn't gone into the

military, he would've been a lawyer.

: 1470

01:02:29,581 --> 01:02:29,911

Like,

: 1471

01:02:29,926 --> 01:02:32,206

Ryan: Lee even points out,

you gave me the law books.

: 1472

01:02:32,206 --> 01:02:35,086

Why did you do that if you

weren't trying to push me?

: 1473

01:02:35,116 --> 01:02:39,376

And then, then Adam's like, well,

fuck, I shouldn't have done that then.

: 1474

01:02:39,376 --> 01:02:41,896

But I'm not gonna admit that

because I'm a stoic guy.

: 1475

01:02:42,511 --> 01:02:45,181

Laura: Because I'm a dad

and dads don't do that.

: 1476

01:02:45,241 --> 01:02:46,231

Dad tropes

: 1477

01:02:46,276 --> 01:02:48,946

Ryan: his glasses fog

up because he's so mad.

: 1478

01:02:49,702 --> 01:02:50,482

Laura: Yeah.

: 1479

01:02:50,812 --> 01:02:53,992

At least he does finally admit

that like, well, I just don't

: 1480

01:02:53,992 --> 01:02:56,002

wanna see you on the other side.

: 1481

01:02:56,752 --> 01:03:01,852

Which I mean, shows us that this

jury member is not impartial,

: 1482

01:03:02,017 --> 01:03:02,437

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

: 1483

01:03:02,937 --> 01:03:05,512

And then Lee does bring up an

actual good point, which is

: 1484

01:03:05,632 --> 01:03:08,302

see me or see someone else.

: 1485

01:03:08,542 --> 01:03:11,422

Like that's the problem,

like you don't wanna see.

: 1486

01:03:12,232 --> 01:03:15,382

It's not just about seeing your son,

it's about me seeing me as someone

: 1487

01:03:15,382 --> 01:03:18,742

else other than your son, which

is the big thing of this episode.

: 1488

01:03:19,132 --> 01:03:22,822

And the final line will tie into that

like, Lee wants to become his own man.

: 1489

01:03:23,002 --> 01:03:24,562

This is him trying to become his own man.

: 1490

01:03:24,562 --> 01:03:26,512

And his dad doesn't want that.

: 1491

01:03:27,087 --> 01:03:27,507

Laura: mm-hmm.

: 1492

01:03:28,222 --> 01:03:31,312

Ryan: It's about carrying on the

lineage even though the grandfather

: 1493

01:03:31,312 --> 01:03:32,752

was a lawyer and your soldier.

: 1494

01:03:32,752 --> 01:03:35,182

Like it's what Lineage, what, what legacy.

: 1495

01:03:35,182 --> 01:03:35,842

It's, it's up

: 1496

01:03:35,842 --> 01:03:36,352

in the air.

: 1497

01:03:37,148 --> 01:03:39,848

Xhafer: Bill removes

Lee's cag, takes him off.

: 1498

01:03:39,848 --> 01:03:45,128

The pilot board, calls it in,

and we see Dee get told this

: 1499

01:03:45,818 --> 01:03:47,468

like, and her reaction to it.

: 1500

01:03:47,888 --> 01:03:50,078

You know, she doesn't have to, she

doesn't get to find out through Lee.

: 1501

01:03:50,078 --> 01:03:51,548

She gets to find out through work.

: 1502

01:03:51,833 --> 01:03:52,553

Ryan: Oh, that's funny.

: 1503

01:03:52,553 --> 01:03:54,203

I didn't even notice Dee in that scene.

: 1504

01:03:54,203 --> 01:03:58,523

I was paying attention to Ty's reaction

where Ty is just like bemused at like, oh,

: 1505

01:03:58,823 --> 01:04:00,803

there's Bill's son being a fuckup again.

: 1506

01:04:00,803 --> 01:04:05,213

Like Ty just had this little reaction

like, okay, because Adama says this thing

: 1507

01:04:05,213 --> 01:04:10,673

of like, my son is too busy, and just Ty

gives this look of like, here we go again.

: 1508

01:04:11,213 --> 01:04:11,603

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1509

01:04:11,693 --> 01:04:14,513

Ryan: I've heard this for 30

years or however old Lee is.

: 1510

01:04:14,513 --> 01:04:16,313

I've heard it for 20 years or whatever.

: 1511

01:04:16,313 --> 01:04:17,183

Ugh, here we go.

: 1512

01:04:18,113 --> 01:04:18,443

Xhafer: Yep.

: 1513

01:04:18,543 --> 01:04:21,453

Laura: Ty is just glad he's

not the fuck up of the day.

: 1514

01:04:21,513 --> 01:04:23,103

Let's be real, like,

: 1515

01:04:24,693 --> 01:04:25,443

Ryan: Yeah.

: 1516

01:04:26,636 --> 01:04:27,926

Laura: but he'll get that back.

: 1517

01:04:28,316 --> 01:04:29,036

It'll come back.

: 1518

01:04:29,683 --> 01:04:34,033

Xhafer: Lee hangs Kara's photo next to

Kat as Andrew crutches his way over.

: 1519

01:04:34,513 --> 01:04:35,533

They both miss her.

: 1520

01:04:36,163 --> 01:04:39,043

I have to wonder if they only

killed Kat for this scene.

: 1521

01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:40,269

Ryan: Oh,

: 1522

01:04:40,329 --> 01:04:43,569

Laura: could put Kat next to,

or put Starbucks next to Kat.

: 1523

01:04:44,410 --> 01:04:44,860

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1524

01:04:44,890 --> 01:04:48,070

Do you have a logical Place to

put Starbuck on this wall without

: 1525

01:04:48,070 --> 01:04:49,930

Kat being dead 10 episodes ago?

: 1526

01:04:50,529 --> 01:04:53,470

Ryan: um, yeah, you can't put it.

: 1527

01:04:53,470 --> 01:04:54,460

Put it next to Billy.

: 1528

01:04:54,971 --> 01:04:59,531

Um, No, I, I mean I imagine they

killed Kat for many other reasons,

: 1529

01:04:59,531 --> 01:05:02,141

but like That is a good theory.

: 1530

01:05:02,441 --> 01:05:02,651

Yeah.

: 1531

01:05:02,651 --> 01:05:04,961

They should have had a

picture of boxy up there too.

: 1532

01:05:05,051 --> 01:05:05,381

Remember?

: 1533

01:05:05,381 --> 01:05:07,091

Boxy the kid.

: 1534

01:05:07,661 --> 01:05:08,081

Do you remember

: 1535

01:05:08,156 --> 01:05:08,546

Xhafer: dead?

: 1536

01:05:09,251 --> 01:05:09,581

Ryan: No.

: 1537

01:05:09,581 --> 01:05:10,271

But he may as well be

: 1538

01:05:10,446 --> 01:05:10,796

Laura: sorry.

: 1539

01:05:11,321 --> 01:05:16,241

Ryan: In the miniseries and the first

episode of this show, they had a whole

: 1540

01:05:16,241 --> 01:05:18,221

deal about this little kid called Boxy.

: 1541

01:05:18,221 --> 01:05:20,531

And he was like, everyone's

best friend, this is true.

: 1542

01:05:20,771 --> 01:05:24,221

'cause in the original Battlestar

Galactica Boxy was an actual

: 1543

01:05:24,221 --> 01:05:26,021

character in the show Proper.

: 1544

01:05:26,141 --> 01:05:28,601

And BSG the reboot tried to do it.

: 1545

01:05:28,601 --> 01:05:29,371

And then Ronald D.

: 1546

01:05:29,371 --> 01:05:31,481

Moore just said, ah, I don't

wanna write for a fucking kid.

: 1547

01:05:32,021 --> 01:05:33,461

And so they just drop Boxy.

: 1548

01:05:33,731 --> 01:05:37,031

So it's a joke with the reimagined

series of like, where's Boxy?

: 1549

01:05:37,031 --> 01:05:38,441

Boxy, better be around Boxy.

: 1550

01:05:38,441 --> 01:05:38,981

ISS gonna pay off.

: 1551

01:05:39,011 --> 01:05:41,381

'cause those first, the miniseries

and those first three episodes were

: 1552

01:05:41,381 --> 01:05:43,601

all box about Boxy, like look at Boxy.

: 1553

01:05:43,841 --> 01:05:47,681

So anytime there's a kid, they're

like, is it gonna be boxy?

: 1554

01:05:47,681 --> 01:05:48,641

It's never boxy.

: 1555

01:05:49,181 --> 01:05:53,681

So Boxy is on the wall in our

hearts with all the other characters

: 1556

01:05:53,681 --> 01:05:55,181

that just mysteriously disappear.

: 1557

01:05:56,381 --> 01:05:59,831

Xhafer: Did you catch, I posted

this in the spoiler town that

: 1558

01:05:59,861 --> 01:06:02,531

Roma Lampkin has the distinction.

: 1559

01:06:02,531 --> 01:06:05,051

I know you didn't, we talked,

we already talked about

: 1560

01:06:05,246 --> 01:06:06,491

Laura: you are, you

did tell me about this.

: 1561

01:06:06,701 --> 01:06:10,751

Xhafer: Roma Lampkin has the distinction

of being the only reimagined character who

: 1562

01:06:10,751 --> 01:06:13,091

got added to the original series Cannon.

: 1563

01:06:13,551 --> 01:06:13,971

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

: 1564

01:06:15,176 --> 01:06:15,476

That's

: 1565

01:06:15,701 --> 01:06:15,881

Xhafer: it.

: 1566

01:06:18,566 --> 01:06:20,006

Ryan: Absolutely insane.

: 1567

01:06:21,101 --> 01:06:21,641

Xhafer: Right?

: 1568

01:06:22,181 --> 01:06:23,141

It's so good.

: 1569

01:06:23,801 --> 01:06:24,521

Um,

: 1570

01:06:24,536 --> 01:06:26,456

Ryan: What Mormon archetype is Romo?

: 1571

01:06:26,456 --> 01:06:29,096

Lampkin, please write in Mormons.

: 1572

01:06:29,156 --> 01:06:29,966

Let us know.

: 1573

01:06:31,466 --> 01:06:32,126

Please write in,

: 1574

01:06:33,686 --> 01:06:35,051

Xhafer: please don't write in we

: 1575

01:06:35,051 --> 01:06:35,981

don't, I'm never, I don't,

: 1576

01:06:36,206 --> 01:06:36,836

Ryan: Who is Romo?

: 1577

01:06:36,836 --> 01:06:39,836

Lampkin In the Mormon mythology?

: 1578

01:06:40,181 --> 01:06:41,231

Xhafer: Tell us in the discord.

: 1579

01:06:41,276 --> 01:06:41,666

Ryan: Tell us.

: 1580

01:06:42,116 --> 01:06:42,896

Did the Discord.

: 1581

01:06:43,826 --> 01:06:46,736

Xhafer: Baltar rolls over in

his cell to find the letter

: 1582

01:06:46,736 --> 01:06:48,866

from Lampkin delivered by Lee.

: 1583

01:06:49,706 --> 01:06:50,666

It's his pen.

: 1584

01:06:51,176 --> 01:06:54,986

And then the letter is

just like Lee got him

: 1585

01:06:57,546 --> 01:07:02,256

effectively like, Hey, you know, there's,

there's no power greater in the verse

: 1586

01:07:02,256 --> 01:07:05,856

than a son who's super mad at their dad.

: 1587

01:07:05,946 --> 01:07:08,256

So we've got that going.

: 1588

01:07:08,936 --> 01:07:09,156

Ryan: Ah.

: 1589

01:07:10,206 --> 01:07:10,626

Laura: Yeah.

: 1590

01:07:10,791 --> 01:07:12,021

Ryan: ultimate reveal.

: 1591

01:07:12,591 --> 01:07:13,881

The ultimate reveal.

: 1592

01:07:14,901 --> 01:07:17,241

Ugh, what an episode.

: 1593

01:07:18,111 --> 01:07:19,431

What an episode of tv.

: 1594

01:07:20,206 --> 01:07:20,566

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1595

01:07:20,596 --> 01:07:24,796

Do you gotta, if you had to rate this

episode on a scale of one to 12 colonies

: 1596

01:07:26,131 --> 01:07:29,131

Ryan: it's a 10 baby, maybe an 11.

: 1597

01:07:29,401 --> 01:07:32,131

I don't put it the fullest,

highest, highest, but uh, I

: 1598

01:07:32,131 --> 01:07:34,291

really enjoy this episode.

: 1599

01:07:34,771 --> 01:07:36,031

It's bonkers.

: 1600

01:07:36,031 --> 01:07:41,577

I actually will say as much shit as I

give BSG uh, season three's my favorite

: 1601

01:07:41,577 --> 01:07:47,487

because of just how uneven and bizarre and

some of the amazing ideas and the, even

: 1602

01:07:47,487 --> 01:07:54,237

just the, the proposition, let alone the

execution of putting Gaia balta on trial.

: 1603

01:07:54,237 --> 01:07:56,277

And like, let's get into

the nitty gritty of that.

: 1604

01:07:56,277 --> 01:08:00,777

Like who the fuck would be his

lawyer is an episode that exists.

: 1605

01:08:01,257 --> 01:08:04,017

I absolutely adore that.

: 1606

01:08:04,257 --> 01:08:06,387

Mark Shepherd is fantastic.

: 1607

01:08:06,567 --> 01:08:09,657

A lot of the conversations in this

episode are great, and we even pointed

: 1608

01:08:09,657 --> 01:08:12,507

out like, yeah, there's a bomb plot,

but really this episode is about.

: 1609

01:08:13,242 --> 01:08:14,202

Conversations.

: 1610

01:08:14,232 --> 01:08:16,662

This is all just battles of ideology.

: 1611

01:08:16,662 --> 01:08:22,631

These are all about the people having

a moment to argue their points of view

: 1612

01:08:22,631 --> 01:08:27,282

and do it in manipulative ways as well,

which is what they're really skilled at.

: 1613

01:08:27,282 --> 01:08:31,542

And Romo, Lampkin is

just a bizarre invention.

: 1614

01:08:31,572 --> 01:08:35,202

It is Battlestar

Galactic's anime character.

: 1615

01:08:35,562 --> 01:08:37,422

He is an anime character.

: 1616

01:08:37,542 --> 01:08:38,772

He has a cat.

: 1617

01:08:38,892 --> 01:08:40,511

He wears sunglasses all the time.

: 1618

01:08:40,511 --> 01:08:45,072

He has the trench coat that he on

purposely spins around in, in so many

: 1619

01:08:45,072 --> 01:08:46,932

scenes so it can flap in the breeze.

: 1620

01:08:47,412 --> 01:08:47,622

It

: 1621

01:08:47,697 --> 01:08:47,997

Laura: Yeah.

: 1622

01:08:49,122 --> 01:08:52,511

Ryan: like to think of

where we've come from.

: 1623

01:08:52,511 --> 01:08:56,352

And now Gaia bullar looking like

Jesus Christ is speaking to an

: 1624

01:08:56,352 --> 01:09:00,792

anime character is television baby.

: 1625

01:09:00,822 --> 01:09:02,742

They don't make it like this anymore.

: 1626

01:09:04,886 --> 01:09:07,886

Xhafer: They don't get enough episodes

to get to this point to plot anymore.

: 1627

01:09:08,051 --> 01:09:09,221

Laura: Yeah, that's true.

: 1628

01:09:09,647 --> 01:09:11,537

Xhafer: rip 20 episode seasons.

: 1629

01:09:11,732 --> 01:09:14,282

Ryan: You've loved those many

episodes this season, right.

: 1630

01:09:14,282 --> 01:09:18,002

You, you, you've been on a stretch of

real stinkers, so you're really loving

: 1631

01:09:18,002 --> 01:09:19,172

the long episodes, giving you

: 1632

01:09:19,216 --> 01:09:24,647

Xhafer: a couple of stinkers if

it gives us the, the, the writing

: 1633

01:09:24,647 --> 01:09:29,297

crucible that is required to turn

out some episodes of this quality.

: 1634

01:09:29,357 --> 01:09:32,777

And also, like some of my favorite

episodes of a lot of shows are

: 1635

01:09:32,777 --> 01:09:36,707

stupid throwaway fucking episodes,

and those don't exist anymore.

: 1636

01:09:37,216 --> 01:09:40,426

Everything has to be serial

plot, serial plot, serial plot.

: 1637

01:09:40,517 --> 01:09:40,966

So

: 1638

01:09:41,282 --> 01:09:44,432

Ryan: Unless you're a British show,

then they can do it for some reason.

: 1639

01:09:45,017 --> 01:09:46,006

Xhafer: yeah, I get away with it.

: 1640

01:09:46,022 --> 01:09:48,631

Ryan: They get away with it,

they do eight episodes and they

: 1641

01:09:48,631 --> 01:09:50,102

can have throw away silly plots.

: 1642

01:09:50,702 --> 01:09:51,272

I dunno.

: 1643

01:09:51,332 --> 01:09:54,542

Or do the British, what do the

British know and how do they do it?

: 1644

01:09:56,072 --> 01:09:57,242

Laura: it's all the imperialism.

: 1645

01:09:59,942 --> 01:10:03,932

Xhafer: They just, it took those, those

throwaway plots from other cultures.

: 1646

01:10:03,997 --> 01:10:05,132

Ryan: It's a blood of their victims.

: 1647

01:10:05,137 --> 01:10:05,167

Yeah.

: 1648

01:10:05,657 --> 01:10:06,077

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1649

01:10:06,152 --> 01:10:06,662

Xhafer: A hundred percent.

: 1650

01:10:08,162 --> 01:10:09,152

I fucking love this episode.

: 1651

01:10:09,152 --> 01:10:09,812

12 outta 12,

: 1652

01:10:10,712 --> 01:10:11,522

no fucks given.

: 1653

01:10:11,792 --> 01:10:15,812

This is some of the best writing

in the show, some of the best

: 1654

01:10:15,812 --> 01:10:17,462

character interactions in the show.

: 1655

01:10:18,062 --> 01:10:23,642

It is bizarre at times in ways that

make me really appreciate this show.

: 1656

01:10:24,602 --> 01:10:24,932

yeah.

: 1657

01:10:24,992 --> 01:10:26,672

No, I just, it's one of

my favorite episodes.

: 1658

01:10:26,762 --> 01:10:27,272

A hundred percent.

: 1659

01:10:27,863 --> 01:10:29,258

Laura: I, I'll give it an 11.

: 1660

01:10:29,348 --> 01:10:33,848

'cause I don't know, I'm very

uncomfortable with how well things

: 1661

01:10:33,848 --> 01:10:40,178

are going for Gais Baltar, but it's

also like so well written or well

: 1662

01:10:40,178 --> 01:10:42,577

like executed, even though Yeah.

: 1663

01:10:42,577 --> 01:10:46,358

Lee's being a dipshit, like

it was fun the whole time.

: 1664

01:10:46,708 --> 01:10:47,363

Xhafer: Gonna be a dip.

: 1665

01:10:47,363 --> 01:10:47,753

Shit.

: 1666

01:10:49,163 --> 01:10:49,733

Ryan: Yeah.

: 1667

01:10:49,763 --> 01:10:51,683

I mean, consider this listeners.

: 1668

01:10:52,313 --> 01:10:56,093

All three of us gave this a very

high rating, even though Lee

: 1669

01:10:56,093 --> 01:10:57,413

is the main character of the

: 1670

01:10:57,683 --> 01:10:58,103

Laura: Mm-hmm.

: 1671

01:10:59,363 --> 01:10:59,678

Ryan: Think about that.

: 1672

01:11:00,657 --> 01:11:02,847

One of the last times he was the

main character was Black Market.

: 1673

01:11:02,997 --> 01:11:03,837

Did that work out?

: 1674

01:11:04,317 --> 01:11:04,587

No.

: 1675

01:11:04,917 --> 01:11:05,397

Xhafer: No

: 1676

01:11:05,757 --> 01:11:06,087

Ryan: No.

: 1677

01:11:06,537 --> 01:11:09,927

Where he also had to interact with a guest

character that was played by a legendary

: 1678

01:11:09,927 --> 01:11:11,937

actor that confronted his ideology.

: 1679

01:11:11,937 --> 01:11:12,657

Ideology.

: 1680

01:11:12,717 --> 01:11:14,817

It didn't work out that time,

but it worked out this time.

: 1681

01:11:15,204 --> 01:11:18,414

Laura: well we didn't throw

in like a whole girlfriend

: 1682

01:11:18,774 --> 01:11:19,074

Ryan: Yeah.

: 1683

01:11:19,074 --> 01:11:19,854

That's another thing.

: 1684

01:11:19,854 --> 01:11:21,744

Could Lee have brought

that up with Daddy dama?

: 1685

01:11:21,744 --> 01:11:25,974

He goes, you are mourning, I'm still

mourning my girlfriend from, from,

: 1686

01:11:25,974 --> 01:11:32,937

from back on Capa that we all love and

remember fondly, whose name was, yeah.

: 1687

01:11:33,822 --> 01:11:34,242

Mm-hmm.

: 1688

01:11:34,992 --> 01:11:35,412

Mm-hmm.

: 1689

01:11:35,882 --> 01:11:36,172

Okay.

: 1690

01:11:37,688 --> 01:11:38,198

Xhafer: All right.

: 1691

01:11:38,198 --> 01:11:38,528

Well.

: 1692

01:11:38,858 --> 01:11:43,148

Next up Crossroads Part one,

Baltar's trial threatens

: 1693

01:11:43,148 --> 01:11:44,318

the stability of the fleet.

: 1694

01:11:44,678 --> 01:11:45,848

Leah sis Romo.

: 1695

01:11:46,628 --> 01:11:50,018

Baltar gets projected

with spiritual undertones.

: 1696

01:11:51,665 --> 01:11:54,275

Those are all things

that happen next episode.

: 1697

01:11:55,730 --> 01:11:56,180

Laura: Great.

: 1698

01:11:56,642 --> 01:11:56,932

Xhafer: Yeah.

: 1699

01:11:57,092 --> 01:11:57,452

Laura: Super.

: 1700

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Great.

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01:11:58,533 --> 01:12:00,033

Xhafer: Well, Ryan, thanks

so much for joining us.

: 1702

01:12:00,033 --> 01:12:01,053

Tell the people where they can find you.

: 1703

01:12:01,728 --> 01:12:05,898

Ryan: Well, thank you all so

much for listening and I can

: 1704

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be found at Yum Yum podcast.

: 1705

01:12:09,168 --> 01:12:13,818

I host a podcast with my wife in which

we talk about science fiction television.

: 1706

01:12:13,818 --> 01:12:18,768

We've done Babylon five space above

and beyond Star Trek Discovery.

: 1707

01:12:19,288 --> 01:12:23,608

We're currently doing Killjoys

a very fascinating series.

: 1708

01:12:23,708 --> 01:12:28,773

It is one in which it's about a bunch

of space bounty hunters uncovering

: 1709

01:12:28,773 --> 01:12:33,003

an intergalactic conspiracy where

about halfway through the show now

: 1710

01:12:33,003 --> 01:12:34,773

and things are really popping off.

: 1711

01:12:35,143 --> 01:12:39,823

I mean, it's crazy show, wonderful

show and grain in time and we've just

: 1712

01:12:39,823 --> 01:12:44,173

started doing the Staff Lead Academy

show because we love a, we love drinking

: 1713

01:12:44,173 --> 01:12:49,863

poison and yeah, staff Lead Academy,

we're doing that with our friend Bar

: 1714

01:12:50,073 --> 01:12:52,713

who has never seen Star Trek before.

: 1715

01:12:53,163 --> 01:12:53,883

He's never seen it.

: 1716

01:12:54,498 --> 01:12:57,708

So we're like, let's watch

Academy and get your opinion.

: 1717

01:12:57,858 --> 01:13:02,358

And so it's been very fun to hear

an opinion of someone so sheltered

: 1718

01:13:02,358 --> 01:13:04,038

from the world of Star Trek.

: 1719

01:13:04,368 --> 01:13:07,428

So yes, we're doing that as

well, but yum, yum Pod or Yum yum

: 1720

01:13:07,428 --> 01:13:09,498

podcast on all of the internet.

: 1721

01:13:09,558 --> 01:13:11,327

You can find us even on the dark web.

: 1722

01:13:11,538 --> 01:13:12,918

I dunno why we're there, but we're there.

: 1723

01:13:13,378 --> 01:13:15,208

Laura: I'm a little worried now for you.

: 1724

01:13:20,413 --> 01:13:20,893

Hmm.

: 1725

01:13:21,013 --> 01:13:21,313

Xhafer: All right.

: 1726

01:13:21,673 --> 01:13:21,943

Yep.

: 1727

01:13:22,063 --> 01:13:22,963

Well, thanks so much for joining us.

: 1728

01:13:22,963 --> 01:13:23,833

We'll see you again.

: 1729

01:13:24,163 --> 01:13:29,743

Season four, episode 15, no Evil

was you, you requested that one

: 1730

01:13:29,952 --> 01:13:31,003

a while ago.

: 1731

01:13:31,363 --> 01:13:31,813

Ryan: exit.

: 1732

01:13:32,113 --> 01:13:32,503

Xhafer: Sorry.

: 1733

01:13:32,952 --> 01:13:34,033

No evil, no exit.

: 1734

01:13:34,359 --> 01:13:37,509

Uh, You requested that one

like a year ago or something.

: 1735

01:13:37,869 --> 01:13:38,349

So

: 1736

01:13:38,649 --> 01:13:39,309

Laura: Okay.

: 1737

01:13:39,369 --> 01:13:41,019

Xhafer: that will be in July.

: 1738

01:13:41,109 --> 01:13:41,619

So

: 1739

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a couple months away.

: 1740

01:13:43,749 --> 01:13:47,859

Laura: Would, would it be Spoily to tell

me if it's a Lee centric episode or not?

: 1741

01:13:47,889 --> 01:13:49,239

Because that's been a theme for you.

: 1742

01:13:49,974 --> 01:13:52,284

Ryan: That, has it been a theme for me?

: 1743

01:13:52,509 --> 01:13:56,259

Xhafer: It, it, it may

be a Lee centric episode.

: 1744

01:13:56,604 --> 01:13:58,254

Ryan: I had to make it very hard.

: 1745

01:13:58,254 --> 01:14:00,414

So each season there

was an episode in mind.

: 1746

01:14:00,414 --> 01:14:01,464

I was like, that's the one.

: 1747

01:14:01,524 --> 01:14:06,114

Season three was very hard because there's

so many, and I was like, do I wanna pick,

: 1748

01:14:06,384 --> 01:14:08,514

you know, this episode or that episode?

: 1749

01:14:08,514 --> 01:14:13,134

Like the one just recently in this season

that I would've let I was considering was

: 1750

01:14:13,134 --> 01:14:15,204

the one where the chief makes a union.

: 1751

01:14:15,714 --> 01:14:16,854

That's a great episode.

: 1752

01:14:16,854 --> 01:14:18,144

That's one of my favorites of the show.

: 1753

01:14:18,144 --> 01:14:19,224

But I was like, no, no, no, no.

: 1754

01:14:19,224 --> 01:14:21,744

I don't wanna, I don't wanna talk

about, I wanna talk about the law.

: 1755

01:14:23,544 --> 01:14:25,854

But yeah, season four,

an interesting beast.

: 1756

01:14:25,854 --> 01:14:27,474

Can't wait to come back

and talk to you about

: 1757

01:14:27,474 --> 01:14:27,624

it.

: 1758

01:14:28,930 --> 01:14:29,140

Xhafer: All right.

: 1759

01:14:29,380 --> 01:14:33,820

Well, all that said, I think it's just

time to say thank you to Jeremy Siegel.

: 1760

01:14:34,809 --> 01:14:35,350

Hey Jeremy.

: 1761

01:14:35,410 --> 01:14:36,700

Thanks so much for doing our theme music.

: 1762

01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:39,610

You can find more Jeremy's

work at Jeremy Segal 42.

: 1763

01:14:39,610 --> 01:14:40,600

Do bandcamp.com.

: 1764

01:14:41,303 --> 01:14:43,613

Laura: And thanks to angry

Duck time machine on Instagram

: 1765

01:14:43,613 --> 01:14:44,753

for the podcast artwork.

: 1766

01:14:45,338 --> 01:14:48,398

Xhafer: Aaron, thanks so much for

editing this podcast every week and

: 1767

01:14:48,398 --> 01:14:50,108

making sure that I don't have to,

: 1768

01:14:50,696 --> 01:14:52,316

Laura: And thanks

listeners for being here.

: 1769

01:14:52,376 --> 01:14:54,103

If you want to uh, come.

: 1770

01:14:54,863 --> 01:14:57,413

Hang out in the Discord and see whatever.

: 1771

01:14:57,473 --> 01:14:58,553

No context.

: 1772

01:14:58,553 --> 01:14:59,273

Weird shit.

: 1773

01:14:59,273 --> 01:15:02,093

We text each other when we are recording.

: 1774

01:15:02,843 --> 01:15:05,056

Uh, Find that link in the show notes.

: 1775

01:15:05,056 --> 01:15:05,776

Get on in there.

: 1776

01:15:05,776 --> 01:15:07,606

We have a great time, so

: 1777

01:15:08,236 --> 01:15:08,656

we'd love

: 1778

01:15:08,656 --> 01:15:08,986

to have you.

: 1779

01:15:09,346 --> 01:15:13,696

Ryan: come join and you can join the

spoiler chat area where we get to

: 1780

01:15:13,696 --> 01:15:16,099

make fun of uh, things set on the pod.

: 1781

01:15:16,639 --> 01:15:17,929

Unadulterated.

: 1782

01:15:18,139 --> 01:15:18,799

We get to go.

: 1783

01:15:18,859 --> 01:15:20,029

Ha, ha, ha.

: 1784

01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:24,649

You think it's only just starting

Get ready and we all have a

: 1785

01:15:24,724 --> 01:15:28,114

Xhafer: even know there's gonna be

some stuff from the episodes that

: 1786

01:15:28,114 --> 01:15:29,794

haven't aired at this point, let

: 1787

01:15:29,794 --> 01:15:30,484

me tell ya.

: 1788

01:15:31,334 --> 01:15:31,554

Ryan: no,

: 1789

01:15:31,744 --> 01:15:31,964

Laura: no

: 1790

01:15:33,259 --> 01:15:33,649

Ryan: no

: 1791

01:15:33,769 --> 01:15:36,439

Laura: have said some wacky

things on purpose, so it's

: 1792

01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:37,159

not all.

: 1793

01:15:37,579 --> 01:15:37,939

Yeah.

: 1794

01:15:38,195 --> 01:15:39,545

Xhafer: all right, well,

we'll see you next week.

: 1795

01:15:39,545 --> 01:15:39,875

Internet.

: 1796

01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:40,250

Laura: Okay.

: 1797

01:15:40,250 --> 01:15:40,910

Bye.

: 1798

01:15:41,655 --> 01:15:41,875

Ryan: Bye.

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