In this episode of the Contractor Freedom Podcast, Jason W. Phillips sits down with Kyle Schuh of 605 Painting to unpack how their company moved from owner-operator chaos to a more scalable, profitable business.

Kyle shares the behind-the-scenes story of how 605 Painting improved gross profit from around 30% to 62%, hit $1M in a quarter, and began building the systems, sales process, and team alignment needed to create real Contractor Freedom.

This conversation goes beyond revenue. Jason and Kyle talk about what happens when contractors stop relying on heroics, stop selling from fear, and start building a company that can grow without the owner being chained to every decision.

You’ll hear practical lessons on pricing, sales, leadership, team buy-in, and why more leads are not always the answer. The real path to freedom is closing the right jobs, at the right price, with the right margins — a core Contractor Freedom message.

This episode is for painting contractors, home improvement business owners, and trades entrepreneurs who want to build a business that creates time, money, and freedom — not just more work.

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As a certified human behavior consultant in disc personality styles and motivators, I'll be sharing with you skills for life, love, leadership, and business. I'll also be connecting you with experts that can help you scale your business and your life. So if you want to build the business and life of your dreams, then you are in the right place. 


Let's go. Welcome to the Contractor Freedom podcast. I'm your host, Jason Phillips. You know, most contractors get stuck in business, not because they're lazy, not because they're dumb. They get stuck because they don't have the right structure, or they don't have the right leadership management systems, and we're gonna talk about that today. 


But, but first, you know, Kyle, for those who don't know you, share a little bit. Who, 


Kyle Schuh : who's Kyle? Yeah. So Kyle Schuh, 605 Painting out of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, where we ain't really got a whole much, a whole lot going on. This is mostly just corn fields. But yeah, no, I, I got into the painting industry back when I was in middle school. 


Uh, my dad's actually a painter himself. He's actually a local competitor of mine. It- that's a funny story- Oh, wow ... I like to tell my prospects when I'm doing, you know, inspections on the home and things like that. So middle school, high school, college, I was painting for dad, um, and with dad, and I painted for a few other contractors as well too. 


I know we can do it better than everyone." So Daniel and I, the contractor that we were with at the time, he tried to lower our wage. So Daniel and I looked at each other, we're like, "Nah, we're good." So what we did instead is we went to a trampoline park. We're k- kind of crazy, we were athletes and stuff like that. 


Went to a trampoline park, and then the very next day we started 605 Painting, and the very next day we started calling clients, potential clients that we kind of networked with already, and same day won a whole interior paint and deck staining project all in one. And I mean, this business, I, I thought I was signing up to just work for myself. 


jason phillips: I know how wrong I was. Wow. Well, like what, what is 605, where, where does the name come from, and what does 605 look like today? 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah. Um, so 605 Painting, we're the only state, I believe it's the only state, don't hold me to it, uh, where the area code covers the entire state. So the entire state of South Dakota is 605. So Daniel and I, we kinda came up with the name back when we first started seven years ago. We wanted something that even if you were new to the city, something resonated with you. 


Mm. Nothing resonates more than a local name like 605 Painting. 


jason phillips: Well, I noticed that your shirt also says roofing, siding, and gutters. So w- what's up with that? 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah, thanks a lot to you. I got the headache of adding all these new services onto my business. No, I'm just joking. No, we ... I mean, for the first five and a half years of our business, we were paint only. 


Those contractors that I'm referring are letting down the homeowner- Mm ... tainting the experience that I'm supposed to be providing as well too. So obviously came and met you guys. You guys were a huge inspiration in, in this whole process, and by you guys I mean you and your Contractor Freedom team. We went back and we launched the new service. 


We're like, it, the new services. It's like, now if we're gonna do it, we're gonna make it so convenient for the homeowner and we're gonna serve them to the max. Mm. So that way they don't have to general contract- Yes ... their own project. Exactly. No, they are paying us good money to do it. Why should they be project managing their own projects? 


jason phillips: And r- you know, this whole conversation reminds me of one, one evening where we're all sitting in the spa, the hot tub here at my house, and we're talking about, do you ever... 


I've like, I think I asked the question, like, "Do you ever run into like rotten wood or something? Like, what do you do there?" And you told me the story. Mm-hmm. And so, and you know, and you and Daniel, your partner, y'all were kind of bantering back and forth as it was. Yeah. And so, um, I looked at, I looked at you and I said, "Okay, here's the deal. 


Monday..." This was a Friday night. Mm-hmm. Now I think I said Sat- maybe Saturday. I said, "Saturday, I want y- I want you to sell, I want you to sell some siding repair. And Daniel- Yeah ... you're gonna figure it out." 


Kyle Schuh : That's right. 


jason phillips: That's right. And lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. Yeah. That's exactly what happened. 


Kyle Schuh : We did. Oh, yeah. Things are moving. Is that done? It's done. Yeah, we, we just finished our first roof project Thursday or Friday this, this week, so no, super cool. 


And exactly what you said, it's like, "Kyle, sell it. Daniel, figure it out." It's funny because now that's kind of like a lingering joke because of you. My sales rep, Nate, that you met that was in the hot tub with us- Yeah ... he, uh, he heard that and so, like, he'll go and he'll bid and win super complex projects- Yes 


and he'll give it to Daniel and say, "Up, up, and have it done by Sunday. They're having company." So it's like, it's just hilarious that this, this ongoing thing of these new services. 


jason phillips: Well, but you know, sometimes we just, we w- Sometimes we feel like we can't, the time isn't right. Oh, the time isn't right. The time isn't right. 


The time is never right. That's right. Sometimes you just gotta jump. 


And it was just, yeah, the m- complexity of how do we figure it out? And it's like, we just will. 


jason phillips: Well, you know, you, you and Daniel have a, have an interesting dynamic. Tell u- tell us who does what i- in the company. 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah. I, I mean, so when we first started 605 Painting, we're both painters. Then we jumped into the PCA when our business really started to gain some traction. 


Um, and we quickly learned, Daniel and I were doing all the same things. We're both selling, we're both project managing, we're doing light painting on the side as well, too. So Daniel and I, we knew that we had to divide and conquer. Let's divide and conquer, 'cause we're doing too much, we're wearing the same caps, and the overlap is just ridiculous. 


Daniel's like, "Well, I hate sales." And I was like, "I really don't care where I go." It's like I'm gonna, I'm gonna do my absolute best and greatest wherever I go. So we divided, so I'm now operations of sales, Daniel's operations of production and everything over there. So yeah, we divided our roles, and now we're conquering, so it's pretty cool. 


jason phillips: to have. It is. That's a great problem to have. 


Kyle Schuh : It's a fun problem. 


jason phillips: So take us a couple years back. Mm-hmm. You know, what did 605 look like when you guys were doing around a, a million in revenue? Was it kind of what you said, that you were both project managing and selling and... 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah, I think it was, like, right at that time is when we started, like, diversifying our roles. 


Um, I s- strictly just started running sales appointments, and Daniel was strictly scheduling the projects and producing them, making sure they got done at a great rate. But it was just him and I. We were the business. 


jason phillips: So was the business more reliant on, uh, heroics instead of systems then? 


Kyle Schuh : Oh, 100%. I mean, Daniel and I were the only people doing the nitty gritty work. 


So did 


jason phillips: you guys bump, keep bumping into a ceiling? 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah. Uh, we were definitely maxed out, uh, capacity wise. Like, I mean, I was running, like, eight appointments a day, and- It was just, yeah, like we weren't gonna go anywhere with me doing all of that. Yeah. I wasn't presenting on spot, follow-ups weren't getting done. 


It's like, 'cause I was just dealing with so many, it was like just trying to sell them, same- Yeah ... kind of- Right, right ... and just move on and grind. And just whatever I would give to Daniel, he would complete it. So I mean, there was definitely a growing gap or, or a growing ceiling that definitely capped us off. 


Kyle Schuh : Or did you re- even realize you were stuck? At some point you did I, I kinda didn't realize I was stuck at that time, if I'm being completely honest. Uh, I thought being a business owner was being the hero at all times, being needed all the time in every situation. Mm. I guess that's kinda what I envisioned for myself. 


It's like, get comfortable be- being this uncomfortable, 'cause it's like, it's just gonna happen. Little did I know how wrong I was. Obviously, after meeting so many great people throughout the PCA, which ultimately led to meeting you, uh- Mm ... and your amazing team, yeah, I knew that I didn't have to do this on my own, um, and that there's people even way better than me at the things that I was doing, and they're proving it right now actively in my business. 


Right. They're excelling and doing way better than I could ever, in my opinion. You've got, you've got Nate and Vicky. Yeah. They're crushing. 


jason phillips: And I lo- lo- lo- look, the look on your face when you say they're crushing. I love that. Yeah. So what makes, you know, what makes your and Daniel's partnership work? 


You are the most awesome co-owner. Couldn't have a better business partner, truthfully. It hasn't always been sunshine and rainbows between Daniel and I. We haven't always seen eye to eye on a lot of things, but, uh, our caffeine addiction, our high drive, our humble beginnings, our, our background that we come from. 


I got his back. He's got my back. We always have the saying that no matter how far you push Daniel and I into a corner, we're gonna put our dukes up and we're coming out fighting. Mm. We're coming out swinging. So Daniel and I, we just, wavelength. Like, we're on the same page. Man, I love that. It's so awesome. 


jason phillips: Partnerships are difficult. They are. I think you guys have something... I think you, you guys have something really, uh, really, really special. Yeah. So what about, l- let's just say for instance that- Sales is just killing it, and production is having a hard time keeping up. Mm-hmm. Does that cause tension? 


Obviously, it causes tension. Yeah. How do y'all deal with that? 


Um, I'm not gonna... He's not gonna go underneath me to, you know, my people, my salespeople that I hired that look up to me as a leader, as they do him as a leader, too, but he's gonna bring it up to me. But because of how often I meet with those people and how great our relationship is- Mm-hmm ... I... That message will come o- across a lot differently from me- Yeah 


versus him, or it's like it might be a little frustrating on his end. He'll deliver it to me, and I'll deliver it to the team. So vice versa as well, too. It's like, "Oh, hey. This, this customer called. She's unhappy about this. She's contacting me as, I was her, her sales rep. Can you make sure that this gets taken care of?" 


And he's on it immediately. Mm. So it's, it's a really cool dynamic that we lean on each other, where we know where there's problems. 


Kyle Schuh : Mm. Uh, his high drive energy for customer satisfaction right now. 


That guy doesn't let anything slip. He's on top of everything all the time, meeting deadlines, making sure 100, 100% satisfied customers every single time. He makes it so easy in, as a sales rep in my business, uh, that nothing is deflating to the sales team. Wow. All the bad and the ugly completely hitted. 


Well, I mean, there's... It's very rare to find bad and ugly in my business. Like, truthfully, like, our customer satisfaction level's through the roof, but we would never know. We would never know. Daniel, he takes care of it. He puts it on his shoulders, and he- 


jason phillips: And he's just as committed to the business as you are. 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah. Yeah. I, like I said, I couldn't have asked for a better business partner. Daniel, you the GOAT. 


Kyle Schuh : Mm-hmm ... 


jason phillips: you, you guys did, like, a million. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Well over. And it's like for... And just a couple years ago, you... that's, what, took you all year to do a million. 


Yeah. And- Super cool ... and but also, if my notes are right from our conversations, you were, like, at 62% gross profit margin this year. 


Over, like, I think it was, like, 12 projects. 


jason phillips: What, what was, uh- Less. Less than ... like, when you were doing a million, what was your gross profit margin at the... 


Kyle Schuh : Uh, back when we didn't really know what we're doing. So we had two years where we did a million. The first year when we did 1.2, our GP was 30%. The next year we did 1.7, our GP was, like, maybe 40, closer to 50%. 


jason phillips: I think I know the answer, but how did you, how did you raise your prices and keep selling? 


Kyle Schuh : F7, baby. F7 sales process. Give- So- 


jason phillips: Yeah, 


Kyle Schuh : go ahead. 


jason phillips: So one of the things that... And, and man, kudos to you for executing that. Yeah. And a lot of, a lot of people are like, "No, that's not possible. 


People will never pay." You know, it... They, they just... I don't know. It's like, well, you know- I've got a, a Yeti cup here, two Yeti cup here, cups here, and these are a lot more expensive than the ones at the grocery store. Mm-hmm. But I like these, and I pay for them. Yeah. And I mean, I, I, I'm looking at the shoes you're wearing. 


You know, you, you didn't buy the budget shoes. 


Kyle Schuh : Mm-hmm. 


jason phillips: Right? It's not about, it's, it's not about the price. We make this as... When we don't know how to sell well, we get price resistance. Mm-hmm. And therefore, we think everybody's a price buyer. Mm-hmm. And we start telling ourselves these soothing stories- Mm 


at that point. You are, you are right there. Okay, so now here's the thing. Now you've got, you've got a team of people. Right. When you were at 30, 35, 40%, you can't hire people. No. It's just you and Daniel, right? That's right. So one of the first things that I recommend to contractors that are struggling is, okay, let's, let's fix your sales process, or let, not, let, let, let's not let's fix it. 


What do you think you're gonna end the year at this year? 


Kyle Schuh : So I looked at our trajectory last night... No, this morning, um- ... when I kept getting notifications that we're winning jobs. I looked at it. We're on trajectory for 5 million right now. The goal is 4.7, so. 


jason phillips: Okay. 


Yeah, we're excited. 


jason phillips: That is fa- that is fantastic. In six oh, in 605. I mean, pretty soon you guys are gonna own the whole state. If we don't already. So- I'm just kidding ... okay. So you're, you're actually in town right now- Yeah ... for the Contract Freedom Management Mastery workshop. Yeah, yeah. Your specialty is sales. 


Mm-hmm. So obviously you see that there's more than just sales. Why, why are you at the Management Mastery workshop and not just Daniel? 


Kyle Schuh : Okay. So yeah, this is, this is good that you're bringing this up. Uh, if you're gonna do this and you have a business partner, don't go to the one that specializes just for you. 


We're doing roofing. We're doing siding. We're doing gutters." And he's supposed to be executing it. He'd look me in the face and say, "No." "No, we're not doing all that." Uh, there's just, 


jason phillips: there's so 


Kyle Schuh : many moving 


jason phillips: parts to it. He, he wasn't immersed in that moment, in those few days with you. Mm-hmm. Or sorry, he was. 


Yeah, he was. In this case, he was. Yeah, he was there. But, but the story that I hear a lot, people are like, "Jason, should I bring members of my team?" Mm-hmm. I say, "Well, let me tell you, the people that do and the people that don't." Mm-hmm. The people that, that do, their team is now fired up, and not just- Mm ... not just motivated. 


Yeah. And, and but, but what I hear is the same thing. I go back, "Jason, I try to get my team," and what they're doing is they're trying to impart vision and excitement. And, and but people just think that so-and-so went to another, uh, went to another event, just, you know, it'll pass. They see change as not positive. 


Yeah. They see it as a pain, right? Right. And, uh, that, man, that's, that's a really, really, really good point. Mm-hmm. Um, I mean, there's an interesting story. After the first event you came to- Tell, tell us. I just remembered this. Yeah. Tell us, tell us about that. What happened? I was wondering if you were gonna bring this up. 


I, 


Just come to the summit." I came- Amazing. So I was so worked up and couldn't wait to get back to work, so event ended on a Wednesday. I flew back home Thursday, got picked up at the airport. "Don't drive me home, drive me to work." Drove straight to work. Our office at the time was in the middle of this little, like, we're remodeling, kind of redecorating, repainting some things, so my whiteboard was off the wall. 


So I walk into the office, and all my staff has just rallied up in, like, our little conference area that, that we have, and the nails to my whiteboard are still in it, but obviously it's not on the wall. So I walked in, just all high and mighty. I grabbed my whiteboard and I punched it into the drywall. I took the lid off the marker and I said, "Guys, I've failed you. 


I'm sorry, but moving forward, things are changing, and they're gonna be so much better." It was, yeah, it was just electric and punching the whiteboard. 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah. Isn't that what happened? I know Daniel was also on a... He jumped in on a Q&A that you were doing for it as well, too, but I mean, I came back from Contractor Freedom Summit, and I was like, "Boot camp, boot camp, boot camp, boot camp." I just kept throwing that word at Daniel, and he's like, "Okay, I hear you." 


But he jumped into the Q&A, and all... There were some things that were wrong with our business at the time, and one of those was like, uh, "Are you undercutting your jobs to win?" It's like, yeah, we didn't know what we didn't know. Yeah. And we were doing that, and, "Is your GP not there?" And it's like, yeah, it kind of was. 


Mm. Like, it wasn't where we wanted it to be. So Daniel joined in on the Q&A, and he's like, at the time, I was in sales, Nate was in sales. Daniel was not, but Daniel's like, "The three of us, we're going to boot camp," and it's like, "About damn time." 


jason phillips: It's about time. A lot of contractors, they, they, um, you know, you, you alluded to this. 


Kyle Schuh : We're constantly fine-tuning. Um, so what's great is every single one of my staff members, they've bought into this vision that we go, like, customer satisfaction is everything. 


Like, we serve our clients. So it's fine-tuning our services, 'cause if the only thing that you give your prospect to compare is price, all they're gonna compare is price. So if you look the same, dress the same, scope the same, price the same work that's gonna be accomplished on the home, all they're gonna compare is price at the end of the day. 


Yeah, that's right. 


jason phillips: You know, I would add, I would add every, you know, every time we're on a call, you weren't on our last call, but with Daniel or you and Daniel, is you guys are always working on measuring a new KPI that you see as important- Mm ... or implementing some system that you see as important. So you guys are adding layer to layer to know, okay, what's the next thing we need to tune up? 


And you're, you're, you're becoming more and more data-driven- Yeah ... as a company. 


Kyle Schuh : Heavily. I got a notebook full of KPIs that I want that I don't have yet, so. 


jason phillips: One by, one by one, right? That's right. 


Kyle Schuh : That's right. 


jason phillips: One by one. You guys eventually, you came to, you came to boot camp, and then literally, like, the, like, I think, like, the next day you hopped in the coaching program. 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah. 


jason phillips: And what, uh... Why did you do that? Was there a ceiling you couldn't get through? Were you trying to compress time? What was, what was your motivation? 


In order to get a piece of that, you gotta be a part of that. So Daniel and I were just like, "It's a no-brainer. Let's just do it." So e-everything that we were seeking, all that motivation, you know, system, structure, culture, it's all in my business right now. Mm. It's all a part of it. So it's like Konrad, I just heard him say not too long ago, you, you pay to play. 


Right. Pay to play. Get in-- If you don't have a coach, get one now. Um, it'll change your life for the better. 


jason phillips: Yeah. Right. You, you know, you guys have a y- y- I love the synergy that you guys have and that y'all's banter back and forth in your, in your problem solving. I love, I love that. Yeah. So 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah. How, how do I even answer that? Um, one thing that I can think about on that is a lot of my team has come to Contractor Freedom, so they've all seen a little bit of it. They've gotten a taste of it, and the inspiration from it, and the motivation from it. So like I said, almost all my team has come to these events. 


Super cool. They're helping trying to fine-tune things. If something's broken in the system, there's a level of accountability everybody has. Um, everybody has each other's back. There's no drop in slack. There's no dropping anything. So we have just a really cool dynamic. But yeah, creating the consistency is... 


That's what we're working on daily. Uh, my day-to-day operation that I do is structure systems. 


jason phillips: You know, you guys, um, you guys have built a fantastic culture there, and meeting your people, they, they are bought in. Yeah. It's like they're all, they're all in. Oh, yeah. And I've... You know, they've, they've drank the 605 Kool-Aid. 


Yeah. And I've got some Kool-Aid over there if you know... I don't know if you know the Kool-Aid story. 


Kyle Schuh : No, you'll have to share with me. Yeah. Well, 


Has, um, has over the, you know, the last, you know, 10 months, year, you've been-- you've, you've, you and Daniel have immersed in the Contract for Freedom community movement, coaching program, events, all that stuff. What's changed about your leadership? 


Kyle Schuh : Hmm. Um, patience I'd say is, is a big one. Clarity is another one. 


I know we talked about that one pretty heavily at the leadership retreat. Consistency, yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of words that I can go with. But yeah, being there for my team consistently daily, constantly inspiring, motivating, but, uh, just them taking the charge on it as well too, having their own sense of leadership that they've developed as well, um, it's, it's super cool. 


So yeah, mm, my whole team just being accountable for each other. 


Kyle Schuh : Mm-hmm. Yeah, developing myself, uh- There's a saying in the leadership book that I always go back to that I got at the leadership retreat is like, "God won't give you star power athletes until, like, you're ready for it." 


So I'm constantly... I don't come from a sales background, and now I'm leading high-performing salespeople. So I have to be improving my game. And like you say, sales is an uphill battle, so if you're not willing to put on that heavy backpack and climb the mountain, go do something else. Mm. So for me, it's tightening my bootstraps and day in, day out, how am I getting better, and how am I helping my team get better? 


jason phillips: What's, what's the next big thing for, for 605 right now? Is it management systems? Is it... I mean, you've already launched all these other services. Yeah. What, what, w- what's, what's the big key that's gonna... You guys are building a freedom machine. You're not just trying to build a business, right? Yeah. You're building a freedom machine. 


Yeah. What's, what's that next piece that y'all are working on right now? 


Kyle Schuh : It's exactly what you just said. It is the management systems of everything. Um, yeah, with the new services, here comes new SOPs, here comes new pricing structures, here comes- Complexity ... here comes new how to deliver a proposal for it, how to scope it, how to do all of this for it. 


But yeah, I mean, it's a lot of bringing clarity to my team- Mm ... teaching them how to do it, a consistent workflow on how everything is supposed to operate within our business. That's what we're actively working on nonstop right now. 


jason phillips: So switch up, switching up a little bit here, what, what does, um, what does freedom look like for you and Daniel in this next phase? A 300 


Kyle Schuh : Blackout DDM4. It's a gun. No, I'm just kidding. I just bought a new gun. I'm pretty excited about it. Okay. Uh- And you're shopping for a car ... and I'm shopping for a car- Or what- 


When you got a [00:31:00] lot to do up in South Dakota, it's guns or cars. Like- ... what, it's one or the other. What are you gonna do? For me, it's both, unfortunately. But no, freedom for me is, you know, the numbers are all impressive. Everyone can hype up their numbers. But can your business run and flow without you in the building? 


Yeah. That's what I wanna build. I wanna build 


jason phillips: a- Well, you just answered my next question. 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah, so I mean, that's what I wanna build. I wanna build that for Daniel too, man. Like, I want him to go ... Oh, I want all my team to go home and provide for their families and live comfortable lifestyles, uh, in their own worlds. 


I want Daniel to go home and see his newborn. I don't want him to have to work late. I want him to be profitable enough that he can provide for his family. Uh, I wanna build a family for myself someday too, you know? Yeah. So freedom to me is not working the nine-to-five. It's how can I build something where everybody, like, you don't work. 


jason phillips: So Kyle, what would you, what would you say to the contractor who's kind of where, where you and Daniel were in that, you know, a million mark, and they, they're, they're feeling stuck, and they just, they're, they've accepted, "Well, this is just the way it is"? 


What would you say to them? 


Kyle Schuh : I'll get biblical on this one a little bit. Uh, Romans 8:18. Uh, the pain that you are going through right now is nothing compared to the joy that is to come, so. Oh, nice. Walk through that mud. Like I said earlier, tighten those bootstraps. Go to work. Get it done. Be accountable to yourself. 


Own your results, and it will pay out in the end. Increase your price too, 'cause it helps to hire a pretty awesome team to help, help take you to where you wanna go. But yeah, it's not all sunshine and rainbows when you own a business. There's a lot of risk. That's right. There's, there's a lot of pain, uh, growing pain. 


I think 


jason phillips: I know what they'd 


Kyle Schuh : say. But yeah, no, you gotta Buckle that chin strap. Go to work 


jason phillips: What would you say is a, is a truth that a contractor needs to face if they really wanna build freedom? 


Kyle Schuh : Gratitude and humility- Mm ... are two things that resonate in my head immediately. I got that from the legendary Joe Corvo Rubius. If you have those two things in your life as a, as a business owner, sky's the limit. Just be humble. Leave your ego at the door. How can you be better, a better person today, tomorrow, and for other people? 


Y'all are doing something, something fantastic. Man, and I'm, I am, I am proud of you guys. I'm, I'm excited to be part of your journey. Yeah. And, and contractors, uh, listen, take a hard look at yourself. It all starts with self, and all progress starts with facing the truth. We've gotta face the truth no matter how ugly it is, but once we do, now we can do something about it. 


It's not just events. It is a movement. We are doing this to change lives. We believe that our businesses should do a lot of good in the world, but that they should be our freedom machines that provide us, as the owners, with the, with the time and the money to live our life with greater freedom and purpose and impact. 


And, but it's not gonna happen by accident. It's gonna be intentional. We'll show you the way. Jump in. Reach out to us. Until next time, God bless you guys, and thank you, Kyle. 


Kyle Schuh : Yeah. Can I say one more thing really quick? Absolutely. So the question that you should be asking yourself is not how much does Contractor Freedom cost me, what is it costing me not to go to Contractor Freedom? 


So sign up. This man will change your life. Oh, 


We'll see you next time