There comes a point for almost every speaker and coach where the doubt becomes hard to ignore. You are doing the work, following good advice, showing up consistently — and nothing seems to be moving. The bookings are not coming. The calendar is open. Other people seem to be on calls constantly, and yours is, well, available.
Or maybe some things are trickling through, but not enough for it to feel real or sustainable. There is a ceiling somewhere above you that you cannot quite identify, let alone push against.
In this episode, John Ball addresses that place directly. Not with motivation. With a more useful question: what is actually going on?
What you will take away:
John shares from direct experience: the periods of doing live streams for 60 days with no traction, building a coaching business alongside a job taken out of financial necessity, and repeatedly asking himself whether the podcast was worth continuing. The answer in each case came back to the same place: the why.
If you are at a point where the question is forming in the back of your mind, this episode is worth your time.
If you are not getting results and cannot see why, get in touch. John works with professional speakers to diagnose exactly what is and is not working, and where the effort needs to go. Reach out on LinkedIn or at [email protected] for a no-commitment conversation.
Why are professional speakers not getting bookings even when they are doing everything right?
John Ball argues that a lack of bookings is almost never a reflection of a speaker's ability on stage, but a problem on the business side: specifically, positioning and visibility. Most speakers who are not getting results are following advice calibrated for people further ahead in their business, without the foundational elements in place to make that advice work. Ball describes this as a context mismatch rather than a failure of effort or talent. The fix, he contends, is almost always in the business mechanics rather than the performance.
What is the results lag and why does it matter for speakers building their business?
The results lag is the delay between the work a speaker puts in now and when that work converts into bookings, income or visibility. John Ball uses his own podcast as an example: a slow-burn asset that does not immediately generate leads but builds trust, relationships and positioning over time. Ball argues that this lag is long enough to feel like failure when it is not, and that speakers who quit during this window are often stopping just before the pipeline they have built begins to pay out.
How do you know if it is time to quit your speaking business or keep going?
John Ball contends that most speakers who are asking this question are asking it too early. He draws a distinction between running out of resources, which is a practical reality and not a verdict, and running out of reasons, which is a more meaningful signal. Ball suggests going back to the original why as a diagnostic tool: if the why is still solid, the question shifts from whether to continue to what needs to change. People who have genuinely reached the end, he argues, usually know it without needing external confirmation.
Why does expert advice on speaking and coaching sometimes not work?
According to John Ball, much of the advice circulating in the speaking and coaching industry is designed for people who already have an established platform, a warm audience or a different market context. Following that advice faithfully without those foundations in place will not produce the expected results, and that is a calibration problem rather than a personal failure. Ball gives the example of being advised to live stream on LinkedIn daily for 60 days with no meaningful traction, attributing the failure to unclear positioning rather than the format itself.
What is the difference between vanity metrics and leading indicators for speakers?
John Ball argues that many speakers track the wrong things: follower counts, post impressions and downloads rather than enquiries, fee conversations and genuine relationship signals. Measuring vanity metrics creates a distorted picture of progress, making things look worse than they are or masking the fact that real indicators are not being tracked at all. Ball notes that some speakers do not track any metrics at all, and that without this visibility, it is impossible to run a business effectively rather than simply deliver a product.
How does John Ball's Professional Speaking podcast approach the question of giving up?
In this episode of Professional Speaking: Known. Booked. Paid., John Ball draws on personal experience across coaching, speaking and podcasting to address the question of whether to quit when results are not coming. He argues that the gap between invisible and known is often shorter than it appears from inside the fog of slow results, and that reconnecting with the original purpose behind the work is a more reliable guide than any external metric. Ball also shares that stopping for practical reasons, such as running out of financial runway, is not the end of the pursuit.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 When Effort Stalls
03:06 Motivation Or Visibility
03:33 Business Beats Performance
05:06 Results Lag Reality
08:17 Bad Fit Guru Advice
12:19 Track Real Metrics
15:07 Reconnect With Your Why
17:31 Runway And Pausing
20:12 Quit Or Honest Pivot
21:51 Adjust The Right Levers
23:53 Get Help And Next Steps
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You're doing all the work, you're following good advice,
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:and nothing seems to be moving.
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the visibility or the
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:income that you expected.
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:Other people seem to be on calls all
the time prospecting, and your calendar
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it through, but not enough to…
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it to feel sustainable.
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above you that you can't quite
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mind, a question is starting to form.
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:Is this actually working
or am I kidding myself?
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:I've been in that place.
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:I know what it feels like to
follow the expert advice that
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:doesn't seem to translate into
your situation, to work so hard and
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:Today, I want to talk to you about
what's probably really going on and
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:how to reconnect with why you started
this and what it really means if
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:you do decide to stop Welcome to
Professional Speaking, the show for
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:people who are serious about speaking
and becoming known, booked, and paid.
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:My name's John Ball, professional
speaking coach, keynote speaker,
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:stand-up comedian, and sci-fi nerd.
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:I'm here as your guide on the journey
to a successful speaking career.
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:If you related to anything that I was
saying there in that introduction, then
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:there's a good chance that you've at
least had some doubts about whether or not
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:to continue with your business, whether
you're, you're ever gonna make it, if
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:there's something wrong with you that you
just haven't been able to identify, why
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:other people seem to be finding things so
easy, but for you, it feels really hard.
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:I can certainly relate to all of this.
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:I had these experiences.
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:I've been close to quitting on
different projects and things
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:so many times in my life.
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:I got into coaching, started to wonder
if I was ever gonna make it as a coach.
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:Got into speaking, start to
wonder those same things.
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:Those feelings, it can end up feeling like
you're in a race, and halfway through,
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starting line and nowhere near the finish.
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in and find yourself not getting
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finish line, not getting closer to
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more frustrating it feels, the less
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more disheartened you become, and the
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maybe you start thinking, "Well, maybe,
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me, that that's why I'm not seeing it.
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genuine effort, spending hours maybe
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and content and articles and videos.
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but it's not enough for it to
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you can't see clearly enough to
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:The compounding effect of everything
else life is throwing at you at the
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whilst you're building your business.
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wonder if this is a motivation problem,
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timing problem wearing a motivational
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more than likely is not that.
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I've talked about a bunch on the show
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detail on in the future, of positioning.
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being a large part of this.
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tell you that all you need to do is to
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need to increase your stage presence, and
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interactive with the audience.
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look, these are all good things.
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the thing that's going to make
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this enough that where the fix needs to
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is in the business side of things,
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performance, the ability when you
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job, you're probably pretty good at it.
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you're good at what you do.
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inside know that you are, and
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talks and, and so all the
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things that could be improved upon
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you're never going to be perfect.
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that you need to be more energized and
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you just need to live in the energy of
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great, it sounds very self-help,
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the results aren't coming through.
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going to be the thing that fixes it here,
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that will make the bigger difference.
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do is gonna have a results lag.
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lag in seeing the results from
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rarely produces results now.
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and the delay is long enough to feel like
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you're building today will pay out later.
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now will pay off later in the future.
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of this actually work.
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say is I can probably use this
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I sort of think, "Well, I'm not really
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that it's not actually the…
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the results that I'd hoped for?"
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shows like this are a very slow burn.
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sp- specific audiences.
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be pretty loyal and come back, and
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become more of this.
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up the show, that upset me.
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actually stop if I wanted to?"
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to, the network that I've been building
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helped as a result of some of the content
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gives me is that a source of we
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street right now for the most part,
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and what I'm about and who I am.
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trust-building or what my friend Taki
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and understand more of a person's content
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someone you'd want to work with So that
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to is why am I doing this, and is it okay
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energy and effort into this if it's not
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hope and maybe even need to see from this?
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decisions about how much time I would
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and output and all those kinds of
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are important elements of the podcast.
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are not things that are actively
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and I'll be honest about that.
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through sponsorships, sometimes
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to come through to me as well.
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I, "Well, I want to be seeing at least
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week from the show" b- for it to be
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doing it, I would actually have
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isn't where things are at right now.
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it because I think it's valuable.
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it helps you as well as a listener.
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from, the advice that you get from
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for where you are yet.
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need to start live streaming on LinkedIn
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saw nothing, like maybe a handful at
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there were things going on that I was like
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things I can look back on and say
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for where I was because my messaging,
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enough for anyone to be like, "All right.
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and what he's talking about."
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experience at doing live streams,
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able to get a bit better at riffing
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all those important elements.
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needle for me professionally.
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learn and develop, it doesn't
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following advice that would be
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an established platform or a warm
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they're seeing other people who are
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are in their business doing, and
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very real for me in life and business
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levels of activity, of action, the
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level, without any of the foundational
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that do actually need to be there.
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to skip the foundations, but we don't.
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but for the most part, we actually need
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business and not just be out there doing
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just getting up on the stage and speaking.
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will get you the longer term results.
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work better for the people
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might be calibrated for somebody
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on a different road entirely.
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you, like one example would be For
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in growing my coaching business, was
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Facebook and going to these groups and
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much more common practice.
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bit sleazy and cheesy.
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that from people that I was reaching out
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weren't nice conversations to be having.
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people ignore me or block me.
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good conversations coming from that,
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them to outweigh the sleaziness of it.
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I didn't like feeling like a sleazy
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just connect with me on LinkedIn,
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is trying to sell me their shit.
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they're just directly emailing my inbox
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no, there's no trust there.
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of all you care about is getting
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probably not the best way to do it.
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also be measuring the wrong things.
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rather than the real leading indicators.
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all, because I certainly know speakers,
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not look at the numbers, who do not
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system of being able to follow up with
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business to work if you're
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and deliver the product.
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going to work out for you.
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some people, either through, through the
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that they already have, or through
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do get pulled into just delivering the
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takes care of all those other bits.
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the rule So if you're aiming just to be
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me people or see, look at me, look at
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doing something weird or wacky or crazy
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my, I've got my AI-generated carousel
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copied from someone else's successful
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media and I'm not seeing any responses
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posts but they're not really commenting
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:back or putting up regular images and
posts but it's not really tracking.
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look at downloads as my only podcast
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excited about that anytime soon.
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someone has listened to the episode and
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:It doesn't reflect relationships that
have been built up through, um, through
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really the truest generator of success.
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but that might not actually be true.
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which a lot of professional coaches and
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there's a chance that a lot of people
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you do anyway because people tend to
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:They often don't seem to
join in the chats that much.
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not as far ahead as you would like to be
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:is because of you personally as a person
'cause there are always gonna be things
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:that you could be better at, things that
you'll probably be able to improve on, and
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certainly adjustable.
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:The question is whether you have given
it enough runway to know that yet.
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:This isn't something that you're gonna
be saying to someone as a networker.
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get real with yourself.
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about continuing with the business
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energy into, then it's time to have
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:What really matters about this for you?
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:Because if it was just the money,
oh, there's a million other things
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that might be a lot easier and may
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yourself in front of other people But
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the problem is worth solving.
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the conversation is gonna shift a bit
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with very different answers.
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you are actually doing this for, which
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or something you need to say, or
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results, it's easy to lose sight
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against the wrong standard.
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the speaking and coaching world are in
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because they actually genuinely care.
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they thought, "Oh, wow, there's
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industry who are like that, completely
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exist, but they are few and far between.
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speaking and coaching world are much more
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:Pretty real people who would do
it for free if, if they could,
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it So it doesn't need to be long.
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whatever you decide you want it to be.
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for you in the long run?
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is more a perk, a bonus, a great bonus
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you just think, "Look, this
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out of runway, and it might just
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had money from a redundancy, and that was
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12 months, wasn't where I needed to be,
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to pay my rent, to be able to keep going.
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though at the time I thought it was.
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demand it or because life has
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as being wrong or having started.
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doing is being a fresh start for you.
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or connections to still be had.
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to work a bit harder for a while.
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business around the job that I took.
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and dedication, and I was tired.
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it got me off the ground.
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I could quit that job and go
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more serious about what I was doing.
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it had to work out that way.
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:So there's a difference between quitting
the dream rather than pausing the pursuit.
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resources, you can be very…
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business because they don't need
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behind the scenes, or they've got
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to be making money for whatever reason.
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and so they're not really worried
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"Well, I'm gonna run out of runway.
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some point," that, that you and I
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be very real reason for not being
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positions, and we all have our own
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the problem can be that sometimes from
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same in the same position, but we're not.
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resourceful with the resources that we
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get so resourceful about, you know, things
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run by how much money we have in the bank.
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ways of looking for it.
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of people where all the signals are
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like nothing is connecting, nothing
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gone or is just doesn't feels hollow,
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exploring other options would be failure.
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because most people who are asking the
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to quit, that wondering in
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usually know it without needing a podcast
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If it's the case, make the cut, make the
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made the wrong decision, it's all
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a much easier path with opportunities
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you've made that decision and opening
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good sign that you're actually
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against a brick wall for a long time
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you may be closer than you think to
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motivational thing to say, but because
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and known is, is shorter than it
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see it from where you are.
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get clear on why you're here,
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really are working the business side
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that probably is where things most need
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just hoping, not just doing stuff that
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doing stuff that you actually know
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and they shouldn't be levers that you
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pull the lever, that things start to run.
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you, but it is not in itself a strategy.
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know will or should get you results,
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that from someone else, looking for
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are pretty much like, "You do this, do
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give you your money back."
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through and taking the action.
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some, some people are taking the action
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that they need to be on the kinds of
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whether, whether they should keep doing
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that's a really useful thing to have.
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be so helpful for you as you're
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some sort of advisor, mentor, coach
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what's really going on and to be
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know, hopefully if, if you have…
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stuff that you're doing to get results
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it's gonna be an external view on what
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clearly see what's really going on,
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connecting, and perhaps where you're
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:spending time that isn't being effective
for you, and where you should be
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:spending time that's going to get you
bigger results, more bang for your buck.
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genuinely thinking, "Ah, I just feel like
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problem is," get in touch.
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figure out what's really going on for you.
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you just think, "You know what?
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attempt," let's have a chat.
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on LinkedIn or directly email
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whatever you're doing, have
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