Artwork for podcast The Science of Motherhood
Ep 151. Kelly Langford - Why More Mothers are Choosing Private Midwives
Episode 1513rd December 2024 • The Science of Motherhood • Dr Renee White
00:00:00 01:00:34

Share Episode

Shownotes

This week, Dr. Renee White chats with Kelly Langford, founder of MAMA, Victoria’s largest private midwifery practice. They dive into the growing trend of private midwifery and how it’s giving families more choice, flexibility, and support during pregnancy and birth.

One exciting highlight? Recent legislative changes that are shaking up the midwifery landscape! These updates remove the need for private midwives to have a GP or hospital referral to access Medicare-supported services like writing prescriptions, ordering ultrasounds, and requesting blood tests. It’s a game-changer for mothers and midwives alike.

Kelly also shares her incredible journey building Mama and how they’re creating sustainable, holistic care models that support both midwives and families. Whether you’re considering home birth or just want to understand your maternity care options better, this episode is packed with insight and encouragement.

You’ll hear about:

  • Big Legislative Wins for Midwives: Discover how the removal of collaborative requirements is empowering private midwives to offer seamless, Medicare-supported care.
  • Why More Families Are Opting for Home Births: Learn how personalised care is redefining the birthing experience.
  • Sustainable Midwifery Care: Kelly talks about creating balance for midwives while delivering exceptional care to families.
  • Actionable Advice for Mums to be: Practical tips on finding the right maternity care provider and advocating for the birth experience you deserve.

Resources and Links:

Learn more about Dr Renee White and Explore Fill Your Cup Doula Services

Want to be nurtured and nourished after the birth of your baby, have a peek at our doula offerings.

If you want to gobble up our famous Chocolate + Goji lactation cookies, look no further!

Learn more about MAMA and their midwifery services

Follow Kelly and the team at MAMA on Instagram

Got questions or feedback? Reach out anytime at hello@ifillyourcup.com, visit ifillyourcup.com or join us over on Instagram @fillyourcup_

Disclaimer: The information on this website presented by the Fill Your Cup is not a substitute for independent professional advice.

Nothing contained in this site is intended to be used as medical advice and it is not intended to be used to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease, nor should it be used for therapeutic purposes or as a substitute for your own health professional's advice

Transcripts

[:

[00:00:27] Dr Renee White: I'm Dr. Renee White, and this is The Science of Motherhood. Hello and welcome to episode 151 of The Science of Motherhood. I am your host, Dr Renee White. Thank you so much for joining me today. For all those keen observant listeners, you're probably wondering, hold on a minute, don't we normally do check in Tuesday episodes this week?

[:

[00:01:26] Dr Renee White: And so this is some really important changes to our laws here in Australia. Um, and so it can have major, major impacts to you if you are pregnant, um, or thinking about, um, becoming pregnant. So we thought we would fast track this episode cut into the normal check in Tuesday programming to bring that straight to you. Because that is what we love to do here at the Science of Motherhood, that is the whole purpose, which is to take all the fast breaking news, cutting edge resources and research, and bring it straight to you, the listener. So in today's episode, you are gonna hear from the lovely Kelly. Kelly, she completed a Masters of Midwifery in 2013 while she was running, um, the Mama practice.

[:

[00:02:43] Dr Renee White: You will be familiar with Sarah, who is one of our lactation experts in the Full Cup Village that we have. She practices at Mama and you'll hear in the interview that Mama was the very first organisation that took Fill Your Cup on as a bit of a partnership. I was living in Kensington at the time and Mama's, I guess, hub, it's primary hub is in Kensington and I reached out to them and said, Hey, do you want to work together?

[:

[00:03:56] Dr Renee White: And then how as a leader, she has I guess seeing the pain points of, of being a midwife, the, you know, as I think we talk about it as mother lovers a lot here in this sphere, and it can be quite exhausting. And so Kelly has started a sustainable midwifery model at Mama, which really enables the private midwives to be kind of, you know, employed and also obtain that work life balance, which is so, so important.

[:

[00:05:03] Dr Renee White: And so Kelly runs a beautiful, um sustainable model there at Mama and you'll hear all about that chat. It is the start of December. I have to say it, and I've been saying it for a couple of months now. We are already well and truly taking bookings for our doula practice, um, across Tasmania, Victoria, and New South Wales. If you are pregnant, um, and you want Um, and you're thinking, Hey, I want someone in my corner at my birth who does not leave my side and is essentially my, um, birth BFF and cheerleader, then you might want to consider having a birth doula.

[:

[00:06:46] Dr Renee White: You know, I, I, I don't feel comfortable asking them to throw a load of laundry on and I'm not 100 percent sure that, you know, the advice that my mum's going to give me is the right advice because she had kids 30 years ago, like, oh my God, I just need someone to help guide me. I need someone to support me. I need someone to listen to me. I want to be heard and I just want that real kind of impartial, you know, advice. From another mum who's been there, done that, got the t shirt. So if, if that's something that you're feeling right now, then maybe you might want to consider having a postpartum doula. We essentially come in, um, three hours.

[:

[00:08:05] Dr Renee White: If you've got any questions, you're not sure, let us know. So just hit me up, DM, contact me through the website. So on our homepage, if you just scroll down, there's a message box there that you can send me a message and just go, Hey, can you give us a call or explain this a little bit more to you? Happy to do that. Alright. Let's dive in to today's episode with Kelly Langford. Hello and welcome to the podcast, Kelly Langford from Mama. How are you?

[:

[00:08:40] Dr Renee White: I am excellent because I am speaking to you this morning, um, which we've already said offline, it has been way too long between drinks, um, for us to catch up, um, for all those playing at home. Mama is an amazing, uh, midwifery practice. And I was saying to Kelly offline that Mama was the first organisation that really went out on a limb for fill your cup in our very, very early days. I reached out and said, Hey, Can we be doulas for you guys? And Jan, who was also there at the time and people would, they can go back to her podcast, Jan Ireland's podcast.

[:

[00:09:52] Kelly Langford: Oh, thank you, Renee. I, um, I am Kelly Langford. I am one of the original founders, um, and directors of Mama, and we were the first private midwifery practice to open in Victoria, um, the second in Australia at the time, and since the opening of Mama, I have also become a mother, so I have added that to my, um, My agenda.

[:

[00:10:19] Kelly Langford: I have in fact, a business baby and then 2 human babies. Um, so part of, you know, part of my, a huge part of my life now is, is my work, but also, of course, my, my, uh, relationship with my children and my partner as well, which I feel like over time. The business has grown to allow capacity for that, but not only myself, but the other midwives.

[:

[00:11:14] Kelly Langford: Right, so when I was in high school, I always knew that I wanted to do something with something sort of human body biology related. That was always my favorite subject at school, but I didn't really know what direction I thought marine biology might actually be where I wanted to go

[:

[00:11:32] Kelly Langford: I think so. But then I realised I was actually quite scared of sea creatures. So at some point I realised that that wasn't actually the career I wanted to do. And when I was in year 10, I did a placement and flooded a lab, um, that I was in. So I thought, no, this probably isn't the right career path for me.

[:

[00:12:11] Kelly Langford: And, um, I sat and listened to this midwife, help her breastfeed the twins. And I just thought, wow, that's, that's what I want to do. That's really cool.

[:

[00:12:29] Kelly Langford: Yeah. That was really that I had no idea it was a career at that point. And then, yeah, that's when I realised that's what I wanted to do. So I did the double degree at La Trobe, went through the degree quite happy with what I was doing, knowing nursing was okay. Midwifery was my, my passion, what I wanted to do. Did a grad year at a major maternity hospital. And by the end of the grad year I found myself in the, um, handover room, midwife in charge would read out who was coming in and who was in there in labor. And I found myself hoping to get the woman who already had the epidural.

[:

[00:13:08] Kelly Langford: And at the start of my midwifery career, that was definitely not what I had hoped to be doing and who I'd hoped to be looking after. I was, you know, very excited about having women in labor, but by the end of my grad year, I was feeling so unable to practice in the way that I wanted to that. I felt like if I have someone with an epidural, it's already done. I can just sit with her and work with her for the day, but there was something about not feeling like I was able to achieve what I could in the interactions. I did and feeling quite powerless as a midwife in that setting So I actually did a transition program to the children's hospital worked in E.D. at the children's for six months as a nurse Just trying to see if that's what I wanted to do because I felt burnt out in the midwifery space.

[:

[00:14:18] Dr Renee White: Yeah.

[:

[00:14:27] Dr Renee White: Did you think it was like a bit, not like woo woo, but like a bit out there? Like, You know, were many, I don't know what the stats are around.

[:

[00:14:52] Dr Renee White: Yeah.

[:

[00:15:15] Dr Renee White: Yeah. Wow. Just off that one, like I can't even imagine what that would feel like. Like it was, it's, it would almost be like everything coalescing together and you're like, this is the missing piece. Yeah. This is, and, and also I think, you know, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I can only imagine it'd be like, Oh, this is what happens when we pull all the red tape off and we just let people's bodies do what they need to do. Right.

[:

[00:16:12] Dr Renee White: Yeah.

[:

[00:16:40] Dr Renee White: Wowsers that, yeah. And I think, as you say, learning alongside, I'm gonna call them the OG yeah, Jan and Fiona. Like that. Holy moly. That would've been amazing to see. Yeah. Okay. So you are cruising around Victoria with Jan.

[:

[00:17:01] Dr Renee White: Yeah. Is, is this the evolution? Like how does this evolve into Mama.

[:

[00:18:03] Dr Renee White: Couple of ladies driving around VIC, just helping other mamas out. Yeah. Okay. That's interesting. So, yeah, it is this thing where. They start because we're going to get to some other recent changes in legislation to do with midwifery practices, but it does appear to be this like loosening of the reins from government that's kind of, you know, you get this cascade domino effect of, okay, now here's all the things that we can do. So there's those reforms. You guys start thinking about starting Mama.

[:

[00:19:07] Kelly Langford: So we'd gone up to see, um, Liz Wilkes at My Midwife, she had the 1st, um, clinic open in Australia. Um, so we went up and saw what she was doing there and we felt like we wanted, she offered if we would like to become a My Midwife's clinic, but we felt like the other part of the practice that we really wanted to, um, to have as, as, Um, holistic practice was all of the allied health practitioners so that people could come in and see a midwife, but also see a number of other allied health practitioners that were specialised and really committed to this area of practice, including doulas and a whole lot of other allied health clinicians. So it was sort of more than just the midwifery part of the practice that we wanted to focus on, and that sort of holistic collaborative model

[:

[00:20:56] Dr Renee White: I think there's something else going on. Yeah. You know, you get what I mean? Like when we're complex species. Yeah. Um, sleep revolves into feeding, which evolves into, you know, maybe we've got pelvic floor issues, which evolves into maybe we need some, like acupuncture or something like that. And you guys were you, you were ahead of the pack,

[:

[00:21:34] Dr Renee White: I think it's a woman thing as well. Right?

[:

[00:22:11] Dr Renee White: Yeah, exactly.

[:

[00:22:14] Dr Renee White: I want to talk about the evolution of, I guess, midwifery practices. We hear about terms like, um, endorsed midwife or eligible midwife. We hear, you know, as we've kind of already touched on, home births. For some people, and I'm going to only talk about it from personal and kind of anecdotal experience, is that I noticed that when COVID hit, particularly in Victoria, I'm going to say Melbourne, because we were, we are worse than the world.

[:

[00:23:55] Kelly Langford: Yep. Okay. All right. I'll go into the first.

[:

[00:23:59] Kelly Langford: It is. And you might have to remind me to get back on track. So I think, yeah, women have always been fighting for, for what they want, but I feel like there's been a perfect storm of things coming together, things happening over the past couple of years that has meant that change has happened. Seemingly quite quickly in the last couple of months, there's always been rallies.

[:

[00:25:03] Kelly Langford: So there was a bit of a shift in the tide in that sense. Also the parliamentary inquiries into birth trauma, I think have come at, you know, just the right time for that to be more in the public eye. People saying actually that happened to me too. Um,

[:

[00:25:31] Kelly Langford: Yes, yeah, isn't that incredible when you, when you know now, but that is the majority of the population that they're handing over the, the everything to their care providers to midwives included a lot of people will come to us and just, you know, they, you're looking after me, I'll listen to what you say. Less so because usually we get very informed people that are that are already empowered and ready to make the decision making. Yeah. So the, the parliamentary inquiries, I feel like have helped. I spoke at the Tasmanian one recently.

[:

[00:26:07] Kelly Langford: And it was, yeah, it was hard to talk. About all of the trauma that I've witnessed or heard about, but I think this is what's so important. And this is what's going to keep pushing things forward at that that level that, um, political level, because that's where the change needs to happen. So, the things that have changed in in this month, actually, that have come into legislation this month, the first one is that they've taken away the collaborative requirements for midwives. So what that means in simple terms, midwives that are working in private practice have access to Medicare and writing prescriptions and doing writing ultrasounds and blood tests. But for the last 10 years or 14 years, since we've had access to Medicare, we've also had an arrangement in place where we've had to have a referral from a GP obstetrician or a collaborative arrangement with a hospital to be able to use those things to be able to use Medicare and to be able to write a prescription and ultrasound with.

[:

[00:28:07] Kelly Langford: No barrier of referral and that's just a massive step forward for midwifery in Australia. So that's excellent. And the other thing that was confirmed that day was that we will have an insurance product for home birth that will be fit for purpose. So, since I've been working in private practice, so the last 16 years, but it was a decade before that as well, that private midwives haven't had access to insurance for birth at home. We've had an exemption in place, which means that the government has allowed us to practice without having insurance because there's no insurance product available. But at the start of this year, the government committed that they would, um, be backing an insurance product for private midwives for home birth, but with the announcement came a criteria list that would have meant that about 70 percent of our current clients and Mama would have been risked out of our care.

[:

[00:29:30] Dr Renee White: That's amazing. Now, just to clarify, is that Victoria or is that Australia wide?

[:

[00:30:13] Dr Renee White: Can you explain what an endorsed midwife actually is?

[:

[00:31:19] Kelly Langford: Unless you go into a practice like ours, you have to wait until you've done the 5, 000 hours and the only way you can get those hours is in hospital.

[:

[00:31:46] Kelly Langford: Yes, exactly. Yeah. So there's only, I mean, we've just started employing midwives in the last two years because we've moved across to a different model of care. For the first 12 years that I worked in private practice, I worked in what I'll call the traditional model of private practice. Um, we're on call seven days a week. You own your own business. You're a subcontractor to, if you work for a company like Mama, you would subcontract to the company. Um, you look after your own tax and BAS and, you know, everything. Um, and you get your own insurance. So that was, that's the traditional private practice model and it's still most midwives in Australia.

[:

[00:32:57] Kelly Langford: So part of the reason that we started this sustainable midwifery model was because I myself went through having children and really wanting to, well, needing to work in this model. I'm not going back to working the hospital model as much as it may have changed in certain pockets. This is where, where I'm going to be forever. So I felt like there had to be a way that midwives could not just devote everything to midwifery if they wanted to work in private practice in this, in this continuity model, that there had to be a way that you could have young children and still support women and have this beautiful connected continuity relationship, but have backup and support.

[:

[00:34:18] Kelly Langford: And so. The midwives that work in our practice now, um, all of them are employed apart from one of our OG midwives, um, Marita, who's still very happily working in the subcontractor model and having her own caseload, but we still back her up and support her if she's unwell or has holidays, of course, but all the other midwives are employed and they work whatever EFT suits them and their family life. Majority of them have young children, and if they don't, we still very much encourage them to have their days off and to have other activities that keeps them happy and, and balanced humans. Um, so a lot of the, the work that we do when we're having midwife team meetings is talking about, you know, what are we doing to fill our cups and making us feel like we can continue to do the work that we do, that we love and give so much of our body and soul to, because you don't go into it for any other reason.

[:

[00:35:56] Dr Renee White: That is absolutely amazing, because, I mean, like we touched on earlier, it's, I feel like whenever it's women looking after women, it's very hard for us to get over that bump, typically, of having to charge an amount, you know, a financial kind of dollar, and it's something that we spoke about, um, in our training as doulas quite extensively. And I see it time and time again, you know, with new doulas coming on board, you know, they're quite green and they're like, oh, I don't feel like I can charge anything because you know I don't know a lot or like I just I feel like we should just be I think the mentality is we should be doing this anyway, I can't negotiate in my head why I'm charging for this and it's this conundrum I think we come up against because we have lost that village.

[:

[00:37:46] Dr Renee White: And I can, I can see, like, I'm not even in the same state as some people and I'm like, you need to slow down a bit because I can see that, you know, things are spiraling.

[:

[00:38:01] Dr Renee White: Exactly. And most importantly, you're no good to yourself and I'm all about prevention is better than treatment. So, I'm just like, just don't. Just don't go there. Don't jump off that cliff and like think that you can help everyone because you can't. And I'm not sure, like, I would, I would imagine that it would be very similar. And I can already hear from like the things that you've said, but we have a mantra here at Fill Your Cup, which is family is family comes first.

[:

[00:38:55] Kelly Langford: Yes.

[:

[00:38:58] Kelly Langford: No, it doesn't. Yeah. We really need to have that happy, balanced, you know, people coming to their, to their jobs with full hearts from where they've come from to be able to give what, what we do give without burning out. And and that's what I'm so excited about being over time with this model that I'm hoping that we can get that balance and then be able to replicate it in other with other people because we've got so many midwives daily calling, emailing saying, you know, I want to set up a Mama and I just, I'm not ready yet.

[:

[00:40:15] Dr Renee White: I have a question. Yeah. Because this is the business brain in me. Um, what are the thoughts around a birthing centre? Is that something that Mama has ever explored or is that something where you're just like, no, that's not really our jam.

[:

[00:41:01] Dr Renee White: Yeah, right.

[:

[00:41:09] Dr Renee White: Shout out to anyone who's listening.

[:

[00:42:08] Dr Renee White: Wow. Okay. All right. Um, one last question before we jump into our rapid fire and it's around, I guess, uh, again, it's this understanding of, um, choice and, and what people are getting into with a private midwife. Because I had, um, Tess from Nurtured Bayside on a few episodes ago, and we were talking about this concept of, if you have a home birth and your private midwife is there, if you have to be transported to hospital, the notion of her still being able to maintain that role as a midwife and I forgot what it's called is it

[:

[00:42:56] Dr Renee White: Yeah yeah I feel like there was another word for it but let's go with that is that what is that what like is that what if someone signs up with you guys are you guys still able to then continue being their midwife in the hospital

[:

[00:43:14] Dr Renee White: Okay.

[:

[00:44:08] Kelly Langford: We also were asked to do a shift a month at the hospital as part of the staff, which majority of my team cannot, don't have the time capacity to fit into their full time workload. And what we also thought, although we didn't, we, we never actually got to see this in practice, but once we become the practitioner in the hospital, we have to do all of the computer logging, all of the blood pressures, fetal hearts and everything that the hospital midwives currently are doing for us.

[:

[00:45:02] Dr Renee White: Oh, I can imagine.

[:

[00:45:53] Kelly Langford: Who's got their values and exactly what they want and we can use our midwifery knowledge and our intimate knowledge of that client to talk to them about, you know, in this situation, this is actually, you know. Something that we think is valuable for you to consider or, you know, this is a hospital policy and you can, you know, do whatever you would like to decide to do.

[:

[00:46:37] Kelly Langford: That's right, yeah. So it's like a doula but with the medical background, I suppose, to be able to interpret CTGs and all those sorts of things.

[:

[00:47:52] Dr Renee White: I didn't just like go random and then to come to the realisation that I was like, I'm sorry, what? Uh, you're not going to be that person necessarily. Cause it could be someone else on call and hold on a minute, that person might not be there. Like I'm some midwife who I've never met before is what, like, I was just like, how did no one tell me this? And I'm sure they did in like a little, Oh, well, of course, like, that's kind of, you know, in the 30 page document that we gave you at the start. Um, but you know, what ended up happening was my brain spiraled. I like completely lost control and then I was like, okay, you're going to have to like cut this baby out of me because I'm not doing this.

[:

[00:49:16] Dr Renee White: And I think the other important piece of this is because my husband, he said something to me, which is like a ding, cool memory, was that when I was spiraling, he said to me, you're not even in labour and I'm not sure I'm going to be able to pull you back from the edge of this cliff when you are in labour because you are already like on the edge. And he's a very strong person. He's very observant, um, very in tune with me. I'm a bit of a space cadet sometimes with my emotions. And so I, like, that was the moment for me where I was like, holy moly, like, the rock in this relationship is like, I'm crumbling. So that was when we were like, that's it. Elective cesarean. We're doing it.

[:

[00:50:16] Dr Renee White: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And it's, it's interesting cause I, we actually do get a lot of mamas who come to fill your cup now who like I'm choosing to have an elective cesarean because I know you won't judge me because I've heard that you.

[:

[00:50:45] Kelly Langford: Yep. Absolutely. Yeah. And I think that's one of the, the beautiful things about the work that we're able to do in the private model is that around 70 percent of our clients plan to birth at home and over 90 percent of them have a physiological birth at home. And the rest of them choose to birth in hospital, but it's not that everybody that comes to us wants to have a physiological birth, wants to know epidural, you know, people are coming to us wanting to be empowered by their experience, wanting to know that they're the ones that are in control, or sometimes people don't come to us for that reason, but by the end of pregnancy, know that that's what they want, and that's what we're able to facilitate and, you know, um, It's still probably 85 to 90 percent of our clients that plan to birth in hospital would have a vaginal birth or a physiological birth just through decision making throughout pregnancy.

[:

[00:52:05] Dr Renee White: Yep, love that Kelly. We are going to jump into our rapid fire. Are you ready?

[:

[00:52:12] Dr Renee White: Okay, here we go. First question. What is your top tip for mamas?

[:

[00:52:28] Dr Renee White: Neighbour Bob, whatever it takes.

[:

[00:52:39] Dr Renee White: Um, do you have a favourite, like, go to resource for pregnant mamas or postpartum mamas, whether it be a workshop, um, some people have even, um, spoken about, like, a poem or, you know, anything, any go to resource that you absolutely love?

[:

[00:53:33] Dr Renee White: Okay, well, we spoke about the fact that Jan is the only person who's ever made me cry on this podcast and that was very close, Kelly. Okay, that needs to be in a book of something. Have you, like, put that in writing? Like, you need to sell that or something, like, on, like,

[:

[00:54:08] Dr Renee White: That doesn't make the reel for the podcast. I'll be very disappointed.

[:

[00:54:17] Dr Renee White: Um, that was very beautiful. I love that. Okay, I'm not sure people are going to be able to top that, Kelly.

[:

[00:54:30] Dr Renee White: Because this is the time that Jan made me cry too, because I asked her, I asked her what her top tip for mamas were, and she said to me that she always tells mum, tells mums to stand in the mirror naked, and just like, be absorbed, notice, appreciate, love your body for what it is and what it's about to do and what it's been doing, like, and that you're so powerful. And I was just like, far out Jan, like seriously. You guys are drinking something at Mama in the water, like, I should have known I had to bring the Kleenex this time.

[:

[00:55:27] Kelly Langford: Oh yes. Amazing. Um, on my bedside table. Oh, well, it's just behind me. What's on my bedside table? Pictures from my daughter. Yeah, probably a new picture every day and I usually keep some, um, we've got a beautiful aromatherapist massage therapist at Mama who makes up oils and so I keep some of her, um, I've got three of her oils at the moment on my bedside table that are, um, for different things. So one of them's for nurturing, one of them's for sleep and one of them's for um, waking up, I think it's getting energy.

[:

[00:56:27] Kelly Langford: Yeah, citrus is good, but I think actually, um, something like a, a really earthy bergamoty smell.

[:

[00:56:37] Kelly Langford: Um, one of my favorite people in the world, my granny, my abuela, um, was always, always had this smell that I can't actually makeup in an oil or I don't know what she wore, but it was this really sort of earthy smell. And I think whenever I smell someone like that, I just want to hug them.

[:

[00:57:42] Kelly Langford: Yeah. It takes you to a place. So, so instantly like Clary Sage will take me to a labor. I smell Clary Sage. I'm like, Oh, I'm at a birth. Here comes the oxytocin.

[:

[00:58:20] Kelly Langford: Yep, sure. Well, people can jump on our website mamabirth.au or call one of our clinics. We've got three clinics across Victoria at the moment. One's in Kensington, one's in Hampton and one's in Warragul in Gippsland. So we essentially service all of Victoria. And we have, um, different services across the clinic. So it's probably best to talk to admin 93767474 or jump on our website to have a look at what clinics have different services. Um, but as of, um, 1st of November, you can just walk in and see a midwife. Probably call ahead to make sure that there's a midwife there to be seen. So we're not all at birth, but it's, um, we're just so excited to see anyone that, um, is pregnant, planning a pregnancy or after their baby. And, um, can't wait to see

[:

[00:59:14] Dr Renee White: Thank you so much. Happy days. Walking in. Imagine that. Yeah.

[:

[00:59:31] Dr Renee White: Yeah.

[:

[00:59:35] Dr Renee White: All right, then everyone, we will see you next week. Everything will be in the show notes, um, for you to contact Kelly and the team, um, across Victoria. All right, then. See you. If you loved this episode, please hit the subscribe button and leave a review. If you know someone out there who would also love to listen to this episode, please hit the share button so they can benefit from it as well.

[:

[01:00:24] Dr Renee White: Ensuring you feel nurtured, informed, and empowered so you can fully embrace the joy of motherhood with confidence. Until next time, bye!

Follow

Links

Chapters

Video

More from YouTube