Hospital boards are comprised of leaders from all types of professional backgrounds, and are also primarily responsible for developing the quality and safety plans for their organizations. In this new "Safety Speaks" conversation, Jamie Orlikoff, president of Orlikoff & Associates, Inc. and national adviser on governance and leadership at the AHA, discusses the role hospital boards can play in supporting quality and safety within their health systems, and how board members who aren't clinicians or health care administrators can make a difference in patient safety.

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Tom Haederle

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Tom Haederle

Today, those responsibilities have only grown in size and scope.

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Tom Haederle

Welcome to Advancing Health, a podcast from the American Hospital Association. I'm Tom Haederle with AHA communications. In this Safety Speak series podcast hosted by Sue Ellen Wagner, vice president of Trustee Engagement and Strategy with AHA, she speaks with Jamie Orlikoff, National Advisor on Governance and Leadership to the American Hospital Association and one of the nation's leading experts on the role hospital boards can play in supporting quality and safety efforts within their organizations.

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Tom Haederle

As Orlikoff notes, the basic question hasn't really changed much since that first hospital took in patients so long ago. Now, as then, the challenge remains: how can laypeople who are not nurses or clinicians get comfortable with their roles on the board and actually improve quality and safety?

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Sue Ellen Wagner

Thanks, Tom. I'm very happy to be with Jamie Orlikoff today, who's going to be talking to us about laying the foundation for the board's role in quality and patient safety. Jamie Orlikoff is president of Orlikoff and Associates Incorporated, which is a consulting firm that specializes in health care governance and leadership strategy, quality, patient safety and organizational development.

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Sue Ellen Wagner

And he's also the national advisor on Governance and Leadership for the American Hospital Association. Jamie, thank you for joining me.

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Jamie Orlikoff

My pleasure. Well, I'm happy to be here.

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Sue Ellen Wagner

Would you tell folks a little bit more about a lot of your accomplishments that you've had over the several years?

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Jamie Orlikoff

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Jamie Orlikoff

And in looking over it, I didn't know whether to be horribly embarrassed or, you know, shocked at how naive much of the content was. But some of it is still right on track. The essential concept that the board bears the responsibility for quality, which we can chat about if you're interested. So I would just mention that and then that I've spent, you know, a good, good portion of my career addressing this challenging issue.

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Jamie Orlikoff

You know, how can a board that is composed primarily of lay individuals, i.e. people who are not clinicians, they're not physicians, they're not nurses. How can they, first of all, get comfortable with their responsibility to oversee the issues of safety and quality and then to effectively improve, you know, act as a board to effectively improve the quality of care that's provided in their organizations and the safety profile within their organization?

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Jamie Orlikoff

And so I've been approaching that from many different perspectives for 40 years. I don't know if you'd call that an accomplishment. Sometimes I feel like Don Quixote tilting at windmills, but that's all I'll say on that.

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Sue Ellen Wagner

Well, and also, you get to practice what you preach. You've been on boards, you've chaired a couple of boards. You just want to mention that.

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Jamie Orlikoff

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Jamie Orlikoff

So I will tell you, being a consultant to boards and also being a board member, it's much easier to be a consultant than it is to actually be a board member. It's very challenging, very difficult. It really gives you a very good perspective on the issues and the challenges.

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Sue Ellen Wagner

Good. Well, again, very happy that you're here with me today. So can you provide some background for the board's responsibility and role in quality and patient safety? And can you specifically speak to the CMS requirements of the governing body? I think this will be a really great foundation for some new board members.

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Jamie Orlikoff

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Jamie Orlikoff

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Jamie Orlikoff

you know, the patient who became a plaintiff. And that was upheld at the Supreme Court level, where the court basically said that modern day hospitals do more than simply furnish facilities for treatment and very specifically said when a patient avails himself of the services of a hospital, he expects, at a minimum, that the hospital will endeavor to protect him from injury and more importantly, the hospital will attempt to keep him well.

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Jamie Orlikoff

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Jamie Orlikoff

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Jamie Orlikoff

They said, you know, we're spending all this money. It's going to cost a lot of money. How do we oversee quality? How do we make sure there's good quality? Who is in charge of quality at the hospital? And they basically said, oh, look what just happened in Illinois. Look at the Darling case and look what state statutes are doing.

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Jamie Orlikoff

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Jamie Orlikoff

So now if you take a look at the conditions of participation, you go to their section 482.11 and 422.22. And they very specifically say, number one, there must be an effective governing body that's legally responsible for the conduct of the hospital. And then they immediately go in talking about it is the board who oversees the medical staff.

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Jamie Orlikoff

The board ensures that the medical staff is accountable to the governing body for the quality of care provided to patients. So right now, the Medicare regs make it very, very clear that it is the board that bears the ultimate responsibility for quality and more specifically, when a hospital gets in trouble with the federal government, when the government issues a what's called a 23-day letter, you know, basically saying you're out of compliance with the conditions of participation, you have 23 days to fix it.

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Jamie Orlikoff

And if you don't, if your remediation plan is not sufficient, you could lose your status to be eligible for Medicare reimbursement. Which is basically a death sentence for a hospital, because all of their commercial contracts specify that in order to be eligible for commercial reimbursement, they must be in good standing with the Medicare program. But whenever Medicare does this, and they do it more frequently than many hospital board members think, the number one citation when they say it was determined that you continue to be out of compliance

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Jamie Orlikoff

is that a regulation that I quoted to you, 482.12, the governing body that the board failed to fulfill its obligation to effectively oversee quality of care or oversee the medical staff in the provision of the quality of care. So that's a little bit of the history. And that's also kind of an emphasis that, you know, from a legal and a regulatory perspective, it is the board.

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Jamie Orlikoff

They bear the ultimate responsibility for quality. But yet many board members don't really understand that. Many medical staffs don't understand that. I'm amazed. Just within the last two years, the chief of the medical staff of a fairly, you know, decent-sized system told me the medical staff is responsible for quality. Wow. And I said, no, no, no, it's the board.

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Jamie Orlikoff

He said, no, no, no, no, it's the medical staff. So that is a factual issue which should not be open for debate. Now the other issue which we'll talk about, you know, perhaps later in this podcast or another podcast, is once that's understood, how does the board then effectively oversee quality? But in order to do that, everyone in the organization needs to understand that the board is responsible for quality.

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Jamie Orlikoff

What that means. And then you need to start to overcome some of the conceptual barriers to effectively being able to have governance oversight of quality. Don't you have to be a physician to understand quality? It's amazing how many board members kind of retreat to that defensive perspective. No one - you never hear anyone say, don't you have to be a certified financial professional to understand finance?

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Jamie Orlikoff

You never hear anyone say that, but you will frequently hear board members say, no, no, you've got to be a doctor or a nurse to understand quality. So the first step is really understanding that the board is.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.

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Chris DeRienzo, M.D.

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Sue Ellen Wagner

So when you're a hospital CEO and you know you have your board chair, you have new board members coming on. They should be explaining all of this to the new board members so that they understand that they're accountable, that they're responsible, that they don't need to be a physician, correct? So there needs to be some great lines of communication that come through so that new board members understand what they do.

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Sue Ellen Wagner

And it's probably not a bad idea for the CEO and board chair to remind the medical staff of the requirements too, that who's responsible and why.

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Jamie Orlikoff

Great points, Sue Ellen. And what you're really talking about is one of the characteristics of effective governance is a really good mandatory new board member orientation process where this issue is discussed, you know, in some detail. And the same thing is true for a new orientation process for elected medical staff. So everyone understands it. And I'll give you a point.

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Jamie Orlikoff

I was facilitating a board self-evaluation session in the last six months, and one of the board members said, well, I'm really concerned because I think we're a micromanaging board. We spend all this time on medical staff credentialing, on approving the privileges of individual physicians. We shouldn't do that. That's management's job. Oh, man. So it's like, whoa, wait a minute now, how long have you been on the board?

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Jamie Orlikoff

And this person had been on board three years. Wow. How can you be on a hospital board for that length of time and not understand one of the basic concepts that the medical staff does not report to management. It reports to the board. That management doesn't make decisions or even recommendations regarding medical staff credentialing. And that's a board decision.

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Jamie Orlikoff

So that really emphasizes your point. You don't want board members to hopefully, you know, pick this up, you know, organically by going to meetings. You want to really emphasize this in the orientation process, because this is a responsibility of a board, which is unlike any other governance responsibility in non-health care organization. So there's really no equivalent to it.

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Jamie Orlikoff

And so that's where it really needs to be emphasized as you smartly point out.

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Sue Ellen Wagner

Great. Thank you so much. Any lasting comments Jamie on the history of quality and what boards should know.

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Jamie Orlikoff

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Jamie Orlikoff

And the law basically said, and this is a quote, if the physician has made an incision in the body of a free man and so has caused the man's death, or has opened a carbuncle in the man's eye, and so destroys the man's sight, they shall cut off the physicians for him, you know. So boom, there's a big problem there for several perspectives.

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Jamie Orlikoff

Number one, you see the punitive aspect that has been in existence for so many years. If there's a problem with quality or safety, that means someone did something wrong and they should be punished. And it's taken us years to get past that thinking and move into the concept of systemness and a just culture where we now begin to recognize that the majority of issues which cause injury to patients, preventable injury,

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Jamie Orlikoff

you know, that that cause less than optimal quality, are not individuals doing something wrong. There are problems in systems and systems which make it either impossible or very difficult for, you know, a provider to do the right thing. So that's one thing to take from that. And that's also a very important concept for boards to understand, because it helps them understand, oh, I get my job as a board to oversee a system and to look for levers which will improve a system.

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Jamie Orlikoff

So that actually is very helpful for many board members to get more comfortable with their responsibility for quality and safety. Now, the other really important issue in this law which we still deal with is these two different terms, safety and quality. And what's the difference? Boards really need to kind of understand this difference because they're related but different. Safety basically is not injuring the patient or the or a staff member, "doing no harm."

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Jamie Orlikoff

So safety equals the absence of injury. Quality, on the other hand, is doing all and only the care that we know will help the patient. So they're related but different. How? Just because you are not injuring patients does not mean you have good quality care. But if you are injuring patients, you cannot have quality care. So a good way of thinking about this is safety is like the floor, you got to have safety.

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Jamie Orlikoff

Quality is the ceiling. So it's important for board members to understand the difference because frequently this responsibility is integrated. Look at the name of the board committee that I chair, the safety and quality committee. So the board is responsible for both. But it has to be very, very cautious to make sure it understands both the relationship between these two very important concepts, but also how they are different so that they can work very effectively to say, okay, do we have safe care?

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Jamie Orlikoff

Because the answer is no. That's where the board's going to spend most of its attention until they get safe care. And then once they get that to a level where there is no or very, very low levels of, you know, preventable patient injury or preventable patient mortality, when they get to that point, then they can start to focus on making certain that they're providing all and only the care that, you know, science shows will benefit the patient.

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Jamie Orlikoff

So that's a little bit of the more of the background and the nuance and the history. But it also points out that, you know, going back to Hammurabi, you know, this law is 4,000 years old, and that was before there were hospitals. So the concern, society's concern for quality, for safety has been evident in every civilization since that time.

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Jamie Orlikoff

And board members are kind of the linchpin between the concern for society and the expression of it in their individual hospital.

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Sue Ellen Wagner

Well, thank you so much, Jamie, for joining us. Really appreciate it. That great background. And hopefully folks will be able to use this as a good part of their orientation.

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Tom Haederle

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