In this episode of the Wealth Witches Podcast, Katelyn sits down with Danielle Riley, a brand photographer and business mindset coach for creatives, to explore the art of showing up authentically and navigating the complexities of creative burnout. Danielle shares her personal journey of transitioning from wedding photography to brand photography during the pandemic and the lessons she learned about prioritizing herself and her mental health.

The conversation delves into the unique nature of creative burnout, practical strategies for recognizing and overcoming it, and the importance of hobbies and self-care in sustaining creativity. Katelyn and Danielle also discuss how societal expectations, especially for women, often lead to putting others first at the expense of personal fulfillment. Together, they offer empowering insights on redefining self-care, setting boundaries, and finding joy in small but significant acts of self-prioritization.

Whether you’re a creative, an entrepreneur, or someone seeking inspiration to reconnect with your passions, this episode is packed with relatable moments, practical advice, and plenty of laughs.

Key Takeaways

• Creative burnout arises from misalignment; address it early.
• Small, consistent self-care actions prevent burnout.
• Authenticity fosters meaningful social connections.
• Boundaries and hobbies are essential for mental well-being.
• Self-prioritization strengthens confidence and clarity.

Guest Bio:

Meet Danielle. She is a talented brand photographer and business mindset coach dedicated to helping creatives align with their passions and overcome burnout. With a unique blend of creative expertise and personal development strategies, Danielle empowers her clients to find clarity, break free from limiting beliefs, and thrive in their personal and professional lives.

Her journey from wedding photography to brand photography during the pandemic has inspired countless others to embrace change and prioritize their well-being. Known for her authenticity and relatability, Danielle shares her insights and experiences on TikTok, Instagram, and Threads, where she connects with audiences seeking encouragement and real-world advice.

Connect with Danielle:

Instagram: @daniellerileyy/

Tiktok: @daniellerileyy

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Hello, and welcome magical creatures to the Wealth Witches podcast.

This is a place where we brew financial empowerment and mix in a little sprinkle

of magic. I'm Caitlin Magnuson, your guide on this enchanted

journey to financial enlightenment. Here, we honor all identities and

invoke our inner witches to create holistic wealth and prosperity. So

grab your crystals, open your minds, and let's get ready to conjure some

financial clarity clarity.

Welcome back to the Wealth Witches podcast. Today, we have Danielle

Riley here, who I have been following for a hot second

now over on TikTok and Instagram. And you

have never failed, I think, to make me think or laugh

and feel so relatable, which I think we're gonna be

chatting a little bit more about showing up authentically. Right? So, Danielle, thank you so

much for being here today. Thank you so much for having me.

I'm very, very excited. I would love to hear a

little bit more about, like, you and your journey and how you like, who

you are, where you are now, how you ended up there. Because the little

bit that I know is really intriguing. I think our audience is gonna find it

super intriguing as well. Okay. Well, hi. I'm

Danielle. I am a brand photographer

and a little bit of I classify myself as, like, a

little bit of a business and mindset coach for creatives. I really

help them get out of their own way in order to

get to the next phase and really help them gain clarity on what that looks

like. So whatever that is summed up as, that's what I

am. I am oh, I lose track

of it, but I'm 32. I love photography.

I love all the things I do. My journey to get here

was a little, it's a little bumpy, you know. I had

a lot of things happen. I was a wedding photographer for

about, oh, about 3 years, right, until COVID. Then

I switched into branding and everything was just,

like, perfect after that. Like, it was

good. I thought so. Okay. I love that so much.

I god, having worked in the wedding vendor

industry or tangentially to the wedding vendor for years prior to COVID,

and then still currently, it has, Cohen was really a wild ride, and I feel

like it's still providing a little bit of a wild ride for a lot of

people. Yes. COVID was turning

point for me. A lot of life changes happened during COVID

so, you know, I look back on COVID and I'm like, honestly, it

was the best thing that could've happened to me at that time in my life

because it taught me a lot about decisions, what I wanted, what I

didn't want, and it really helped me start putting myself

first again. I saw COVID. Yeah. COVID was

transformational? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Transformational,

big time. I love that. No. I mean, there's many, many things

about COVID that I don't love, but the

I think the impetus that it gave a lot of us or

that, like, hey. I'm done. I'm and, actually, I might reverse what we

were going to chat about, because that segues, I think, really

well into the creative burnout that we had kind of, like, briefly chatted. I

think that so many people, not only during COVID, were

kind of coming to this, like, crossroads, but they were also like, we're

seeing it now a lot after, like, the wedding boom that we had when everything

reopened, and, like, it's been absolutely bananas.

I would love for you to chat because you you caught my attention with

saying that creative burnout is different than, like, other types

of industry burnout, and I would love for you to chat about that.

Oh, okay. Well, this is this is fun for me. Burnout is one of my

favorite things to talk about, because my

burnout and just a little back story on why I love talking about it is

my burnout when I was a wedding photographer was so bad

that I and I didn't know it that it caused me to

ignore signs that my body was giving me and,

ultimately, I had a huge health scare happen. And

it was because I was so burned out. Mhmm. And I think

that our kind of, like, especially for

photographers and creatives, it is very normalized

to work yourself to a point of burnout in order

to survive. There's still so much of this, you know, like,

starving artist mentality. Mhmm. And

there there's a lot to it, but it's like because that mentality is so ingrained

in us subconsciously, we we subconsciously

show up to just survive and work in a constant state of

burnout and really leaving

that fight or flight mode with my business before the

pandemic hit because I left the wedding industry in 2019

and then I start flowing out of it to be able

to completely look back at the end of 2020 and say, I'm no longer in

fight or flight. Like, I've learned to put myself first and to show

up not just as a photographer, as a creative, but

as a business owner, like, as an entrepreneur.

When I started to take on that identity, the burnout

kind of just fizzled out. I overcame it and you don't ever really

overcome it, but you work through that season. But

one thing I did realize is that creative burnout is very different than burnout.

Burnout is there's a million things online

that say burnout is caused by people pleasing. Burnout is caused by a lot of

different things. What the first thing it's caused by, like,

truly, deeply is that you stop putting your wants and your needs first and

you focus on everything else and that turns into people pleasing

because you're confused. You don't have clarity. Creative

burnout is when a creative is producing

what their art, they're showing up, they're doing things that are no longer

in alignment with them. They are not fueling

themselves mentally and emotionally. And then

because they don't they're not able to recognize that,

they just keep filling their time and filling it and filling it and

filling it. But if we could just recognize from the

beginning that it's just like, I'm no longer in alignment with the people that I'm

working with, with the art that I'm creating, with what my purpose

was what my purpose is now versus what it was when it

started. Right? That all leads to creative burnout.

And, yeah, I have a whole thing on, like, this

is what you gotta do when you feel creative burnout because I think there's so

much good that

can come when we're able to see the 2 as being

different Mhmm. And identify that

earlier on and start taking action towards that because there's so many

creatives and there's so many entrepreneurs that will walk away from

their business because they think they have a problem

and they don't have a problem. We just have to give ourselves

a little bit more attention creatively to

have us show up to be business owners. Mhmm. Do you have

so I have my own sort of bumper lanes, I call them, right, For

when things start to get off the rails or whatever, you know,

comparison or metaphor, whatever we wanna use, because I,

being neurodivergent and introverted, and off

of these things, it's very easy for me

to give too much of myself or to not prioritize myself because I also have

a very seasonal business. So get blessed and less seasonal each year, which is lovely,

but there's a lot of seasonality to it. And so it's very easy industry wide

to see a lot of burnout. So I'm curious what some of

your either your bumper lanes are that when you know, like, hey. We need

to pull back or, hey. We need to do x y z because I'm struck

like, this is not renewable, sustainable, healthy

for me. Or if you're not comfortable sharing those, some common ones that you see

pop up with clients or in the industry.

You know, I think everybody I love that you call them, like,

bumper lanes. I've never thought of them as bumper lanes before.

To me, it's always I've always just said this is a sign. This is

happening again. Like, this is this is a reoccurrence.

Mhmm. And I thought of it as a cycle to say that it's like, I'm

at the point in the cycle again. I like to think about burnout as a

cycle. It will come and it will go. We never truly overcome it.

Right? A thing that I see with

photographers and with creatives in general is when they start to feel

really confused, when they start to get to a point where they're like, what am

I doing? What I I don't have any time to do this. I

feel stressed out. I'm confused, all this. I'm like, okay.

You're at this point in the cycle again, so let's regain some clarity

on what's causing you to feel stressed, what's causing you to feel like you

have no time, And let's, like, get down to that.

For me personally, I am very home

focused. Mhmm. I am Cancer sun and, like, the Libra

moon, Capricorn rising. So, like, I don't know.

Yeah. Mhmm. I so I love to be in my

home. I love my home in spaces that feel good to me and I

like to put a lot of work into those spaces.

So me, personally, I a bumper lane for me is when I

see that my house is messy. I like to clean the house.

It's my thing. I do it every day. It makes me feel good. If I

realize that I am not doing the

daily acts that I do, like wiping down my counters

and, like, vacuuming our, like, main areas and stuff like

that. I'm like, why am I not doing that? What's going on? Mhmm. If it

happens a little bit at the beginning, okay. But if it's like a constant thing

for about 3 weeks, what's going on? Because I usually will start to

notice other things like I'm being a little bit more irritable with my partner.

Why am I being irritable? You know? Like, what's going on?

And then if I've stopped journaling.

That's it. Okay. I love

that. No. Those are really good ones. I think for so long, I

didn't realize that I was not taking care of

myself. I think a lot of us don't realize that we're taking care of

ourselves until it hits this, like, critical breaking point.

And so the

space to sort of step back and, like,

okay. What are the things like, what do I do when I feel really

good, when I feel like I'm taking care of myself, when I feel like I

have space, time, mental bandwidth, etcetera?

For me, a lot of them are dysregulated sleep habits.

I am a big sleeper. Big sleeper. I'm a

great sleeper. And when those sleep habits change or when I'm regularly

staying up late and not thinking it's a big deal or for

me, I love to read, but I will read to tune out.

So where am I reading, especially reading and disrupting

my sleep cycle? And there are a lot of other things that'll pop up, like,

I'm not taking care of myself or the I too love a clean

house and a well nested

house, I will say. There's, like, this, like, perfect homey nest

vibe. And, yeah, for me, when

that disappears, like, couple days, sure. But for me, more than a few days and

not not necessarily being clean, but, like, a tidy,

cozy, hold together. And there are things that looks like, oh, there's there's

too much on my plate right now, or I'm watching great

anatomy for the 6th hour in a row on a weekend, which, like, doing

consciously, okay with. Doing because I,

like, can't find the can't find it

in me to get up and do more, be more, work more

is really difficult. So with

everything that sort of like you've experienced and you help people navigate,

What are some of the ways that we

can be I hate to say, like, burnout proofing. Right? Because like you said, it's

a cycle. They're like, we're constantly and I the the older I

get, the more I see seasons and cycles and everything that we do.

Energetically, like, outside. Like, there's just cycle on cycle on

cycle. But what are some of the ways that

you have, like, incorporated sort of your whole self or ways

to help mitigate

the burnout cycles that you've experienced in the past? Like, how how are you growing

moving forward? One thing,

that I do that helps me is I got

very clear on how and why I make decisions the way that I do

in my personal life and in my business. I have a theory that there are

2 types of decisions. There are logical decisions and there are

passionate decisions. And if I can

get very clear on how I am

feeling, I'm if I can identify that feeling and get clear on it, I

am able to think back to what decisions have I made that got me

here, and then I reevaluate those decisions. Was that a logical

decision or was it a passionate decision? Did I feel like I needed to do

that or did I feel like I had to do it? And if so, what

played into that? And I just kind of, like, run through kind of

I I identify a point of, like, I think it started here. This is where

I'm at now, and I've run through those decisions. So, like, I get very clear

on how like, what decisions I made and what prompted me

to make them. And if I like the outcome now, I make

daily list every day of things that I

would like to do and things that I have to do. So I have a

have to list and a want to list. And

I try to the very first thing that I do is I do

something that I want to do before something that I have to do

Because I also am like, if we only

do the things that we have to, we're not putting ourselves first.

Mhmm. So it's kind of like a treat. It's like, okay. I

really want to listen to this podcast and go for a walk, but

I have to do 7 business tasks today, and I don't know if I'm gonna

have time. Right? And it's like, okay. Well, you're definitely not gonna have time if

you don't go for that walk right now. Mhmm. And then that fuels

me to get the things done that I have to. Another thing

is I time block. I time block a lot.

I started a routine for myself about a year and a

half ago, and instead of trying to do the routine every

week, I would try to do the routine. I have Mondays, I do

this. Tuesdays, I do this. Wednesday, Thursdays, I do this. I didn't

practice doing the full routine. I practice on doing the routine one day a

week. If I could show up one day and if I said Mondays are

content days and if I showed up and made content this Monday, but I didn't

do it next Monday, that's okay because I'm in a learning phase. I'm in a

learning cycle. So those are those are all things that I

did. I love that. I think that it's

really easy sometimes to commit to something. And I see it happen in finance a

lot. Right? We're like, oh, I'm gonna I have this really robust saving goal. Like,

I'm gonna go ham on $500 a month and, like but have

you have you already been saving? Like, we're like, we're we're

building routines. We're building, like, for some people, you know, they would look at it

as a habit, but I I phrase them as routines. Right? Because there is I

didn't realize the difference until, like, 6 months ago.

And I think that it's so easy to jump into something and not provide me

grace around it or to jump into something. So

face first sometimes where you're like, yep. I'm gonna do it. And then you get

a month in and you're like, oh shit. I only did half of this or

I only x y z or like all the stories that come up. Right? Like,

oh, I failed at this financial goal. That means I'm bad with money. That means

I'm never gonna x y z versus, like, hey. I'm learning.

I'm practicing. I'm trying something new. And that's such a

different way to, like, look at something instead of, like, I'm gonna be an expert

on this even though I've never done any of it before. Yeah.

Yeah. Another thing you said, you said

habits earlier, and it for some reason, the word hobbies

came to my mind. I was like, oh, yeah. Hobbies. But,

one thing that, like, popped out to me when you said that is I read

this thing the other day from this book that I'm reading. It's a great book.

I think everybody should read it. I don't have it with me or I'd show

it to you, but, you know, it said, hobbies are a form of self love.

Self love is self care. Right? And as

creatives, as business owners, as people that choose to start

doing their own thing, even somebody who chooses to invest money and make it

their goal to get better at it every month, it starts out as being, a

lot of times, something that interests you, that you want to learn more

about, that is a hobby. Right? And so when

we spend so much time doing our

hobby, we lose our hobby and

then we're not doing self love. We're not practicing self care. And

so that's, like, another thing that feeding back into

what you asked, like, what do you do to help, like, with that work cycle?

I incorporate hobbies. I incorporate forms of self love and

self care, and that's also, like,

a trigger when I see that it's like I haven't been doing these things. When

is the last time I did something that I wanted to do and not

something I had to do? Yeah. Because that feeds into creative

burnout and burnout in general. Absolutely.

It is I I was talking to someone last week about how I

think too that in general, so many women are conditioned

to I think the new the newer version

of self love or self care in the last, like, I don't know, 8 to

10 years. It's been like, oh, you need to make sure that you filled your

cup because you can't pour out of an empty cup. And it kind

of enrages me a little bit because it's still positioned not a little bit, a

lot of it. It still positions women as needing to provide something

for others, and you're only needing to take care of yourself in order to be

a value to those around you. And that

makes me really, really hot because we deserve

to have a full cup because we deserve to exist as

full complete cared for human beings, and it is

a byproduct and added bonus of whatever should we

choose to provide for, care for, pour out x y

z for those around us. But the whole point is that there should be others

also looking to pour out of their filled cups. Like, we

are not solely existing to take care of all of those around us and replenish

our energy, you know, as afterthoughts.

And when I I finally I don't even know

what like, when that happened, but it was a couple of years ago, I, like,

I snapped when I was thinking about it. And I was like, how

awful is that? Like, that sounds horrible that we need to be doing it. And

every now and then, there'll be some like, my grandmother years ago had said something

to me that had a very similar effect, that I will

not get into on this today, But it was that same knee jerk

reaction of, like, I know that that wasn't her intention, how it came

but, like, you're not thinking through this any deeper than, like, the surface

level society that we live in right now, and, like, that's not how

I want to be living. Like, that's not how I assess value. That's

not how I want to exist in this world. And so,

yeah, I think that hobby no. I I know that hobbies,

interests, you know, diving down that, like, I work out in my garden

or outside a lot. That's something for me that, like and I I have to

switch that because there's times during the year where I live in the mountains where,

like, it's covered under 8 feet of snow. Like, I'm not doing shit in the

garden. But I'm outside snowshoeing, or I'm doing

some baking, or I'm doing something inside that I really enjoy,

and not because it benefits anyone else in the household

except for me. Mhmm. I love that. I love

that. Yeah. Just in in rate

yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say, I could talk a lot about that too

because I'm with you. It enrages me when I hear, like, you

have to fill your cup so you can fill others because what

comes to my mind, I work so hard with helping people really

understand who they are in this moment, in this season of their life and getting

very clear on their identity. And one of the things I say is,

like, it is not our purpose as women to live in a constant

state of fight or flight. You telling me that I have to fill

my cup before I can fill somebody else's is saying that it's like I have

to fight to fill my cup with everything else that I have going

on, and then I have to keep everything together, which is like

flight. Like, I'm either I'm either fighting or I'm doing. Right?

And I just don't think that that's our purpose as women. I don't.

No. No. I don't subscribe to that in the slightest, and it, like, kills me

when I see that being. Would it be in the external factors around you that

are encouraging you to

take care of yourself? Because it's it's a it's not rooted

in, like, authenticity or in, like, a genuine

caring. Right? Because if you're doing it so that you can,

then it it, like, weakens or cheapens the experience. It just adds, like, one more

thing to your never ending to do list. Yeah. Yeah. And,

you know, I I would be interested to

ask you because I I was just about to say, I was like, I know

why I fill my own cup. I know why I fill my own cup. Why

I think it's important to do that or to focus on me, practice self

love and self care, but it's like I wonder what

would be your answer to that where it's like why do you why do you

practice it? Like, why is it so important to you? I

am on my second marriage. I was married and divorced in my

early twenties to someone that, while not a bad person,

was absolutely instrumental in showing me what I did

and did not want in a long term partnership. And for

me, it was very easy through

my, we'll say, late twenties, to pour out of the

cup no matter what was in it for

years because I felt required. Did my partner, now

husband, expect that? Absolutely not. It was all of this,

like, societal self like, you know, everything that I've been I'd grown up with

that I have to actually I have to do this. I have to do that.

I have to do all of these things. And I finally hit a breaking point

at, like, 27, 28 where I was like, you know what? Fuck all of

this. I was I was so angry. I was so

tired. And, no, I I was

mad at myself because no one except myself at this point in

time was requiring this of me. And so I started, like,

almost experimenting with it, right, with doing less,

allowing people around me, not just my

spouse, but people around me to step up and do things. And

it was really amazing how much less I

needed to do when everyone else was provided the

space to step up and how much of that I was controlling

by not allowing someone to do something because I had to do it, because it

meant x y z about me if I didn't do it.

And I got to a point where I actually started to exist as a human

being outside of a productivity value, and

that was eye opening. I could go to

yoga on Saturday mornings and go do when I I can go to the farmer's

market afterwards, and, like, I could pop by and do something else in the evenings.

And I actually started to have the energy to do these things.

I am the only person that's going to be with me my entire life.

I need to like who I am, and I need to

feel fulfilled, content, inspired,

passionate. And so that's why for me, taking the time to

prioritize myself is important because at the end of the day this is gonna sound

really callous. At the end of the day,

my husband could divorce me. He could die something

else atrocious. Like, there are all of these unknowns. Right? I could end

up without a friend group. I need to be really happy and content

with who I am as a person because that is the longest

relationship I will ever have in my life.

I I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's

no good. Yeah. Yeah. It's just

there's a lot of rage, a lot of rage in my late

twenties at society, at myself.

And there still is. Like, it definitely, like, will rear its head.

When I see those around me, I'm like, why? Why are you doing or when

I see partners that are, like, my my husband now

is incredible. And

I've finally allowed him the space to be incredible

versus putting my own shit on him.

And it's amazing to see what a partnership can be like

when you have 2 people that, like, actively step up and work towards something

instead of existing. And that has

been, like, one of the easiest ways to keep going. Like, I've

never once in the 11 plus years we've been together. I'm like, oh, yeah. I'm

gonna do a yoga class tonight and had any

pushback. Hey. Yep. You go do your thing.

It's just not like, there's no permission being others. No, like and I

didn't realize necessarily that that wasn't like, that's not

what we see played out in a lot of relationships, I think, around,

or maybe mirrored to us growing up where parents or

grandparents or aunts may not have had that sort of

a reaction from a partner and that sort of like, hey.

You you deserve to exist as a human being. Like, you're not here to serve

me hand and foot. And so that like, the

reinforcing of the cycle, of taking

care of myself, not having negative fallout, and then being able to

continue taking care of myself, has been really interesting.

I love that. I love that. Oh, Oh. It's so

good. Sorry. I asked about actually, I'm not sorry because I I was No. It's

fine. I didn't hear you at all. Yeah. So good. Did I, like, hear your

answer? I was like Yeah. Yeah. No. I

it gets me, like, excited when I see more people. And also on I

mean, on the flip side, I struggle sometimes when I have,

like, girlfriends or friends that I'm like, you're gonna

do what with whom? With okay.

That makes me really sad because I want you to be you. I don't want

you to be a shell of you. Yeah. I think I think

that is very powerful. I think and it's,

I can resonate with you. It's hard as a friend, as

a friend, a cousin, a sister,

whoever to see people that you love

diminishing who they are and giving up things that

are important to them or kind of, like, pushing their

needs and wants to the side. And it's something

that I with my husband now, I also

am divorced. With my husband now, I meet

new women all the time and I hear them a lot of them say I'm

moms and I hear them say things like, I

don't know who I am. I I worked so hard to

get here, and I don't know who I am. I don't know what's going on,

but in order for them to ever have that conversation with me and feel

comfortable with me, like, sharing that with me,

they had to go through I mean, they've been seeing my content for months

where I'm talking about burnout. And I remember one of the

gals, Stephanie, was like, I'm not a business owner, but I

resonate with this so much because you can be burnout in relationships. You

can be burnout being by being a mother. You can be

burnout by just existing because you're not

living. Like, if you are just living to

exist and to do for others Mhmm. Burn out. Like, it

it and then it starts to affect you mentally and all these things. So, like,

your answer is saying it's like, I had to learn how to put myself first

so I could stop resenting and I could ask for help.

Like, because that when I was like, that was gonna be my answer. I was

like, I know why I do it and it is because I don't have resentment

towards other people. And when I put myself first, I'm able to ask for

help. I'm able to see that I don't have to do it all. Right? Mhmm.

I'm able to say this isn't my burden. Like, absolutely not.

Like, this is this is a joint household. This is a joint

partnership. This is a joint friendship. It's 5050. That's how we're gonna

show up. But if you never do the work to put yourself first, you just

see how you're doing for everybody else, resentment forms, and then you don't know who

you are. You don't know what you're doing. You just lose sight

of everything and then one day you look back and you're like,

what what is this? Who am I? Mhmm. No. I I watched it happen

with my mom, and my my parents, I think, had a pretty or have a

pretty nontraditional relationship in terms of, like, you know, my dad was an electrician.

My mom was a nurse, and so there would be times when my dad was

off work for maybe a year or a year and a half. He would do

I have a sister. He'd do our hair. He'd feed us. Like, he'd do the

parenting roles of whomever needed to be at home at that time, and they

would rotate, like, depending on who was working or what was going on. And so

I grew up with a lot of that, but it was so interesting to me

to see my dad's relationships

with friends that they moved in their early thirties, which was around the same time

that I moved. I moved at 29, and it was a big move, you

know, to a different state, an area where I didn't know anyone. And

I watched my dad be able to maintain

and create new friendships, and I watched my mom, who is 2 months younger

than him, so there's not, you know, huge differences there, who was also in the

workforce. I watched her not.

And that, for me, was one of the

reasons I one of the many reasons, but I'm child free.

Because for me, I watched her take

20 years out of her life, and she she did a

fantastic job parenting us. But I never wanted

her to have lost the friendship the the friendship potential

that she lost. Because she basically went from 32 until she's in her late fifties

now. In the last 5 or 8 years, she started to be able to prioritize

friendships more. And I don't think I'd I'm not privy, you know, to my parents'

entire relationship. I don't feel like there was ever my dad being, like, no. You

can't go see your friends or no. You because he would just say, like, hey.

I'm going to the brew pub with x y z after work, but I'll come

home at this time. And I don't think there would have been issue with her

doing that, but I think that she felt so much pressure to need to be

home with us because she was already a working mom out doing things

and then coming home and doing that. And it killed me

in my older years to, like, look back and reflect that, like, yeah, she had

a couple of friends from California before they moved up to Oregon, but, like,

she's just now prioritizing herself again in her fifties.

And that kills me because she's not alone. There are so

many people around us, mothers especially, that I see that happening

to. Yeah. I I I

definitely agree and feel like there is a

lot of societal pressures for a woman to

kinda balance masculine and feminine and to be very good at it. And if you're

not good at it, then you don't need to show up to do it at

all. If you can't do it perfectly, don't show up and do it right. And

there's all this societal pressure to say that it's like, well, you need to

work, but you can't be away from your kids. You need to be at home

with your kids. And if you go out, like, you can't go out

for long or you can't do these certain things that maybe she really would wanna

do or really would wanna, like, meet new people. Right? And so I think a

lot of women, it's just easier for them to say, okay. Well, then I just

won't do it. Mhmm. I'll stay in my comfort

zone. And one day, I'll get out of it and one day, I'll take

action. But for now, I'm just gonna stay here because this is what I'm supposed

to do. But yeah. Sorry. Well, actually,

I'm not sorry. I say sorry a lot, but I don't really mean sorry. But

another thing that went through my head and sorry. I'm getting actually not sorry.

Real quick. Yes. But, I was just thinking

back to the title of the podcast, Wealth Witches. And

I think a lot of people think about wealth in terms of, like, money,

but wealth is in friendships and in relationships and all

that. It's like, that's so much wealth. Mhmm. There's

And you get more and more wealth when you put

yourself first. That you do. Wealth of all

types. It's

life gets to be, I think, this grand rich adventure if you

allow yourself to make it a priority,

to step into it. And that doesn't mean it's always great,

but it the just existing is no way to be

living. And I think it's so easy to default into

that for a lot of us when we get busy or stressed or burnt

out, and we live in a society that, like, inflation

is wild. There's all like, there's so many of these external factors going on

that just make living so much more expensive or, you know, anything else.

But if you can't,

I think that so many of us also, it's an all or nothing. I can

either do a self care day. Okay. Well, maybe you don't

have a day to give. And, like, we see the same thing in 5 wait.

Maybe you can't save $500 a month. Can you save 25? Like, where can

you $25 your self care? Like, where can you is

it that you do, like, your walk in the morning with a podcast? Maybe you

can't do an hour, but maybe you can go do 20 minutes. Like, what what's

a little step that you can take that you can fit into where your life

is now? Because you might be, like, looking at it going like, I have no

idea when I can take a moment for myself or when I can do something

that I want to do. And it's like a muscle

that needs to be exercised. Right? Because if you haven't been doing it for so

long, it's not going to necessarily come naturally. But, like,

yep. I'm gonna f off for the whole weekend and go do, like, nothing except

what I wanna do, which I literally I did on Saturday. I call it an

excellent lady day, and I go do, like, all of my favorite things.

Normally, when I find myself getting snippy or cranky,

and I took myself to lunch, and I went to the spa, and I got

a little body scrub, and I went to a book club thing, and I went

to the farmer's market. And then I sat silently and read a book,

at a coffee shop, and then I came home. And it was

lovely, and I like, I didn't come home to any sort of,

like, hey. When's dinner gonna be on the table? Hey. When's, like there

was none of that waiting for me when I got home, but that has taken

me 11 years to get to the point where I feel good doing that.

And I don't feel any sort of, like, weird guilt or anything that

pops up. But it started with the little tiny, like, I got a

membership at Massage MB. Once a month, I'd go get a massage.

And, like, that was it when I first started. Wow.

I love it, but, yeah, I think you you

mentioned goals earlier about people I have the goal of investing

$500 a month. Right? And you just said you're like, okay. Well, what

if you don't have $500 a month? Something's better than nothing. Do you have 25?

Do you have 50? Do you have that? So I think

setting the intention of saying, I'm gonna identify a

big goal that I have to do $500 a month, but I'm

gonna also be conscious and aware

that if I put anything into this, I'm still succeeding at

my goal. I think that's so important to identify the little micro

goals. Right? Mhmm. To have a big goal of

investing in yourself and putting yourself first so you can do all this,

well, we don't have a whole day. And even if we did have a whole

day mentally, it's so hard to commit to that without

shaming ourselves for doing it. So hearing that you say

that you're like, I just once a month, I went to massage Emmy. I'm like,

yes. That's exactly right. Because it's like, maybe you did that for 6

months and then you went to a coffee shop. Then you just

build. Building is so important when it comes

to these cycles and these seasons in our life, like, building

our own process over time to really

make it through each cycle on each season. Absolutely.

No. I unpacking the we

you and I were chatting about this before we started recording, but, like, unpacking

those portions of myself, which is the whole like, anyone who's been listening for a

bit now knows that, like, that was the whole point of the rebrand, on the

podcast was to be able to unpack and show up more

authentically as me instead of, like, oh, this box of me gets to live

here professionally. Like, this box is here for the company, and

there's no wooiness. There's no, like, spirituality. There's no witchy.

There's no crystal. Like, it's just we're we're vibing and we're chilling.

Whereas, like, in my personal life, yes, I'm that, but I'm also

this, and I also have these interests. And, like, where was I not

allowing myself to show up and stunting my

own growth and my own creative expression by not being

okay because there's all of these, like it's

it's near and dear to my heart, and it's more personal. And so to

pull some of these, like, boxed or

closeted versions of myself out and be more comfortable with them being in the public.

And, like, hey. The stakes are higher here. Like, it's a little

scary, but it also has gotten to a point where it was less

scary to start showing those sides of myself than

it was stifling to keep them boxed up.

And I think that you do such a

great job from what I've seen. There's there's a couple of people that I follow

on TikTok that just how the fuck up? Like,

you're not showing up just for photography stuff, or you're not showing up just for

business things. Like, there was one where, like, I think you guys were going to

a party a week or 2 ago, and, like, you had the blue eye shadow.

Like, just existing as a human being. Right? Because people wanna see

the human being behind the brand, not necessarily just to buy from you, but

also because of work we crave connection and

community. Yes. Yes. Yes. This is

this is something that I this is like a like a hill that if I

ever died on a hill or a pillar or whatever you wanna call it,

this would be it. Because I say I'm like, people

come to social media because they want to

feel a connection. They want to have a

connection, but we're too scared to put ourselves out there

because we are told that being vulnerable is not

okay. Showing too much of ourself is not okay. So we

live in these boxes and we put up these walls and we let people

in so far but not far enough. And then at the end of the day,

so many people go to bed at night or they don't even go to

bed. They stay up playing on their phone because they're lonely and they're searching for

a connection. So, like, social media,

it's so important and I think especially as business owners. And

if business owners and entrepreneurs could see that there's

no wrong with being vulnerable, you already did the most vulnerable thing

ever. You went against what society tells you you're supposed to do and you

made a very courageous decision to start your own business and

to do your own thing and to just just go for it. That's

one of those vulnerable things you can do. Right? But we don't see it as

that. We see it as like, well, I just wanted to do it. And it's

like, no. No. No. There's layers to that. You didn't just want to do it.

You know? So, like, showing up as your most

authentic self on social media is so important, I

think, just for, like, humanity. Like, us as

people to show people that, like, they're not alone in the things that they

think or the things that they feel or the things that they find funny or

the things that they take seriously. There's there's so many avenues

with it. But yes. Yes. Yes. Like, I'm all for and

vulnerability on the Internet. Now you don't have to, like, tell me your deepest darkest

secrets or, like, share everything that you do in a day. And I think that's

where people there's this this thing where people are

like, well, what is okay and what's not okay to

share vulnerability or authentically?

And I think the truth is that it's just, like, whatever you're

comfortable with people knowing about you. Whatever because you can only meet

people where you're at. People can only meet you. So

get clear on where you feel comfortable with yourself and what you're

okay with people knowing about you, and do it.

Go for it. Who cares if people judge you? Everybody does.

It it always every now and then when I I've gone viral a couple of

times on TikTok now. It's been a few years, but,

it was overwhelming. And I have a a deep and abiding loathing for

Dave Ramsey for a lot of reasons. And

anytime I post something anytime I go viral, I would

intentionally post something polarizing

afterwards to kind of clean house of people that I didn't want to be

people that weren't I didn't want to be around. They weren't gonna wanna be around.

Like, it was just gonna end up as, like, troll central, potentially, if they were

hanging out there. And reading, I I

just there's a lot of those times where I don't read the comments, and my

sister will look at them, and she's like, hey, man. Like, I wouldn't even look

at them. Just skip on by that video. Like, thank you.

I appreciate it because, well, it's easier to do it

on videos that I'm not, like, I'm not emotionally

attached to Dave Ramsey. And so it's a lot easier to be like,

yeah. Ask Dave Ramsey. Like, here's why I don't like him and not care

so much what people have to say, but there are times where I'll have something

go viral that's, like, more personal or, like, I do care

or it is about something. Like, I had something that I posted about paying

off my car and, you know, should should should I pay off my car? Should

I invest it? I knew what I was going to be doing, unless part of

what I've gotten comfortable with. I'm not going to TikTok

generally with, like, high stakes advice questions that I need from someone.

I'm going because I'm like, oh, my God. I always forget to post about x

y z. Like, here's how my brain works. I bet you other people are wondering

or have thoughts and, like, I but I'm clear on what I want

before I go there. And so, I knew what I was doing with the

car. But holy shit was it interesting to see what

people had to say about it because I think one of the greatest ways sometimes

to garner engagement, like, authentic engagement is to ask for advice. People

love to give advice, unsolicited or solicited. And And

so heaven forbid you ask for something that has to do with money and debt

and investing, and it was, like, all of the triggers. But it was just so

intriguing to me to pick something that was, like, low stakes for me,

but also, like, almost a social experiment. And so I've been toying

with, like, what do I like putting out there that runs the balance of, like,

I'm comfortable if this were to go out to millions of people. I'm okay,

like, weathering this versus, like, no. Probably not gonna post it

on there if I'm not okay with it going viral. Yeah. Exactly. And

it's like that's such a crazy mindset and, like, a thought to even have

where it's like, I'm not okay with this going viral. It's like, if you have

told, like, young you that that would be a thought that you have Oh

my god. Yeah. It it it it's it's crazy,

but yeah. No. I love TikTok. I love the platform.

I I tell people all the time. They're like, Danielle, how do you post on

TikTok? I'm like, low key, I love TikTok. It's fun. I love it.

It there. It's so low stakes. I have

nothing attached to that app and the

way that it reaches people, it is

insane. It's insane. And so if you go into

it very low stakes or, like, whatever reason or if you're looking to

connect with people or get advice or just say, like,

hey. This is something that I'm thinking. I know other people are thinking it. Like,

you put it out there, you detach from it, and, like, whatever happens

happens with it. And I love TikTok. I love it.

I 10 out of 10. Some people are like, no. I'm like, I love it.

I love it. I do too. No. I I hopped on it when,

I think, late 2020 Mhmm. Early 2021. I I gave

it a while, like, end of the pandemic, very millennial of me,

to just, like, let it ride. But Instagram was feeling

uninspired and like a chore. Yep. And

I don't think I'd connected anything to TikTok at first. So now I have, like,

my Instagram and other shit all connected to there, which I'm fine with. But at

the time, I was thinking, you know what? F it. Like, let's the first video

I posted was just to get me posting something was about, like, what my hair

routine was to, like, the products I use or whatever has nothing to do with

it. And it's still it's still up there, like, way, way back. But

it's just so much fun to, like, be not

necessarily anonymous. Right? But, like, on a platform where, like, I don't have to

give a shit, and this doesn't have to be tied to my business right now.

Like, I can choose to do something with it, but I can just play.

That that is exactly the same reason why I

started, like, posting on TikTok. I got a TikTok very,

again, millennial of me. I waited till, like, end of 2020. I'd

had the app and I didn't get it. I started, like, watching the videos and

blah blah blah and just having fun. And it was actually in a state

where I felt very burnt out with my business that I

posted on TikTok. Mhmm. The first time so I posted, like,

a couple other videos, but this was the first time that I'd ever been,

like, this is just kind of how I'm feeling. I don't really care about anything.

I'm gonna post this and just, like, roll with it. And,

it was this it was a time where I was burnout. It was a time

when Instagram felt like a chore. It was a time when I felt like I

was like fighting every current in the business world and seeing no

results. And so, I knew that I have to break from

this. This can't be my only outlet and I wanted to go somewhere where people

didn't know me where it didn't matter, you know? And

I posted one video and it was about my divorce because I was going through

my divorce at a time and I just,

like, shared a story and it was just to help me

process too how I'm feeling and what's going on.

And I posted a video and it went viral

and then, like, multiple videos, like, after that and after that and

after that. And that's when I really I'd always knew it was important to

be authentic and to just share things, but having

the the content that I produce on TikTok, like,

continuously go I I wish it was about something other, but it

Right? But seeing how so

many people resonate with that,

it's mind blowing to me, you know? Like, seeing how many people had

opinions on whether or not you should pay off your car is

mind blowing, you know? And it's like, oh, y'all felt comfortable enough to say that.

Oh, wow. Okay. Like, that's what I love about TikTok. I love

the comfort level of it just knowing that it's like, I don't

know you you. You don't know me. So I'm just gonna put it out there.

I love it's it's just such

a fun like, it really has been a game,

and the more that I approach it as a game, the more fun it

is because I'm not out here trying to go viral. Like, if I go viral,

cool, because it almost broke us. Yeah. We had, like, 2 videos in a month

time span. I was out of the country for one of them

with poor service, and it was August, and most of our team was

out. And we didn't have anything set up, which, like, if anything if anyone's listening

to this, not like this entire episode is about going viral, but if anyone that's

your goal in life, oh my god. Build the freaking system. Build a funnel.

Build something that is attached to your profile because,

Danielle, I should shoot out. I think we got, like, 1500 applications

sent via email because one of the ones that went viral was about, like, our

team and our culture and, like, hiring and all that. And everyone we weren't hiring

at the time. I wasn't posting to hire. It was a stitch

or do it or do something to another video, and

we couldn't get our actual client emails because, like, we were just fifting

through, like, thousands of emails

and, like, comments and messages. So I think that's when you could DM people and

it would go to their inbox, you know, even if you weren't front. And so

it was just, like, the deluge, and then it went, like, mini

viral for the next you know, like, once a week for, like, next 2 or

3 weeks after that. It would, like, resurf, and we just started to get, like,

our heads above the water, and then went again to

I I think I took, like, 6 months off TikTok after that. It was, like,

I can't fucking do this. Yeah. This is this is a lot. So, yeah, if

anyone doesn't need to put something in place or but, you know, your own business,

like, bumper lanes on that because Yeah.

Do not expect that. It's, it's different.

It's it's totally it's totally, totally different, and I think it is

because, like, there is that level of, I don't know you. You don't

know me. I'm still putting it out there, and, like, everybody kind of thinks

of it that way or they did for a moment in time. I think now

it's getting more business more like Instagram over on TikTok, more business

y. But yeah. Like, if you are a

business owner and nobody's goal should ever

be to go viral. Right? Like, that's not why you should produce content.

But if you are going to

go to a platform like TikTok or even YouTube, like, YouTube is becoming a thing

Mhmm. And going to create any content that could lead back to

your business in any way, be delusional, set up the funnel,

create a new email, link every like, just go

ahead. Be delusional. Just be delusional because

delusion is preparation at this point for apps like that.

Yes. Scream it from the freaking rooftops because I

would have loved like, we now have a little bit in place that should we

go viral or mini or whatever we wanna call it, it's

fine. It is fine. We have, like, filters in

place on our email. Like, every it's just it will not break.

I think also, like, that you don't even have to, like, technically, like, go

viral to get, like I mean, you may not get, like,

1500 people reaching out, but to get the an overwhelm

Yes. With Yes. This I have, like, my personal TikTok

account where I just kinda share, like, whatever and that's, like, my, like,

divorce TikTok is my top. But I made another

TikTok where I just gain very generalized

business information for creators and for photographers, And I made that

one because I just was like, I don't wanna be this

person on TikTok anymore. I have so much more to give. Let me try out

another account. And, I mean, I have, like, a 100

followers on that account, like, nothing crazy. And but my

videos, they get a couple 100 views, but I consistently

get cold, cold outreach clients that are going, I don't have

my Instagram link. I don't have anything. But it's, like, once a

week, I'll check, like, I have an email for that. I'll check that email. I've

got, like, 5 to 6, like, coaching inquiries in there because

I just mentioned that this is what I do. Mhmm. Right? It's like

that can still be overwhelming for somebody

who isn't ready or, like, didn't think that would

happen to say, like, how do I go from having nobody to

having, like, 6 new people a week, you know? Right. Which is a lot.

Yeah. It's a lot. So Yeah. No. I think that's a

really great point. I'm and I'm also always surprised too. Sometimes, like, I'll have videos

that don't get a lot of views, but I get a lot of interactions, like,

comment. And it's like that. It it can be

it can feel more like a job and less like an

outlet at times. And I think it can be important to remind

ourselves, like, hey. You don't have to reply to every single thing. You don't have

to hold yourself to the standard. Like, this is fun. This

is why we started I mean, assuming that you started it for fun. But, like,

for me, this is fun. If it stops being fun, we

need to stop doing something or change something here. And, like, if I'm feeling

obligated to sit here and reply or it's, like, impacting my one on one time

with my husband or, like, something that I that's not acceptable in my

life, then we step back. We're getting a little too invested in this. We're taking

a little break. And feel so much better when that happens because it can

be really easy to get, like, wrapped up in it. Mhmm. And

I think probably that's probably, like, if we're if we talk through that, it's like

it's probably part of that cycle of, like, burnout to realize that it's like,

oh, I'm doing something that was fun and creative and fueled me and now

it feels like a job or I realize I've been doing it nonstop and

I didn't start this for that. Right? Like, if you start posting

anything to be a creative outlet, you start learning something, if

you start doing something, if you start a new fobbie

in order for it to be a creative outlet, let it be that.

Like, have self discipline enough to say, this is

this is what this this purpose is in my life. It is to

be this creative outlet. If this is no longer gonna be a creative

outlet for me, I need to define a new one right now.

I think as business owners and entrepreneurs, it is really,

easy to fall into the trap of I have to monetize everything that I do.

I have to monetize every hobby. I have to x y z, and I've

absolutely fallen to that before. It's a freaking nightmare. So, yes, I think if you

do intentionally decide to monetize a

hobby or a passion project, that doesn't

mean that you now don't have any hobbies or passion projects. That means that we

need to be prior like, where are we taking care of ourselves

if we're now making everything an effing business venture? Because, yeah, it can

it can be fun to do that too, but everything shouldn't be monetized in our

lives I agree. Because it gives

us no space for ourselves. I

agree. I agree.

I agree. It's like I love to cook, but, like, I'm not gonna monetize on

cooking. And I don't even love to cook. I love to learn how to cook

because I'm still learning. But it's like that would be me being like, I'm gonna

go make a cookbook tomorrow. Why? Why would you do that?

Just enjoy cooking. Just enjoy the learning phase that you're in.

Embrace that. Yes. No. Absolutely.

I love that. Was there anything else that you wanted to cover that

you felt was important for anyone listening today?

I mean, like I told you before we started Oh, yeah.

I could I could I got lots of things I'd love to tell people,

but I really I think maybe, like, ending it on the fact

like, kinda, like, self value and, like, self worth and just, like,

really prioritizing time for you, not so that you

can fill other people's cup, but so you don't have to live in a

constant state of firefight. That way you can feel more confident.

That way you can stop thinking other people have the right answers

for you because nobody's ever gonna know what's best for you except for

you. Right? So really just if I could

encourage any person, any business owner, any creative,

any anybody who's young, you know,

always focus on you. Like like,

make your plate before you make somebody else's plate. Oh, that's

maybe we stop and talk Yeah. You know? Maybe we say put your

laundry away before you put their laundry away. Maybe it's

no. Like, maybe you take a shower first and have an extra 15

minutes to decompress before, you know,

letting somebody else get ready first and then having them wait on you and you

feeling stressed. Put yourself first. Focus on

you. Love that. I was checking those off in my head as

he said them. The meals and the plate thing I normally do, the

laundry thing I normally do, the shower thing's at 5050. I was

like, look at me go. Wow. I love that because

it's very it's

just so easy to end up taking care of other people instead of taking care

of yourself. Yeah. It it's it's my mom friends that I've

just met. They're all stay at home moms. Their husbands are in the

military, so it's you know, they're like,

I have my husband and his job, and I have my kids. And

they feel burnout. They feel like they don't know who they are. They feel like

they've lost their purpose. And I'm like, okay. So stop eating cold chicken

nuggets then. Mhmm. Like, make the kids eat what you wanna eat for dinner. Right?

So I'm a little standing up in the kitchen. Exactly. Go sit down,

you know, and if the kids don't wanna sit down, then that's fine. Why don't

you go sit down? Stop fighting with them. You don't have to fight with them.

You don't have to get them to do these things. You know? Like, every time

you do that, you you're resenting what's going on here. You're resenting

it. You're not putting yourself first. They wanna run around wild? Let them run around

wild. Instead of folding your husband's clothes, why don't you fold your clothes

and make him fold his own? Instead of putting his away, why don't you make

him put his way? Right? Instead of putting the kids' clothes away,

why don't you say, hey. You guys need to do this if you wanna do

x, y, and z. Right? Like, we get to pick our battles. Right?

Don't don't don't battle yourselves. Don't battle yourself.

It's not worth it. But that was the Absolutely.

I took them. Make your plate put that your clothes

away. You shower first. There's such small changes too to have such

a big mindset shift, I think, around making your own care

and, like, signaling to those around you that, like, you're prioritizing yourself

without having to say a word necessarily. Right? Like

yep. Because I did that first. Self self care,

I think in sorry. I'm not sorry, but

we self care has been portrayed to us as being these big

acts. I'm gonna care for myself. I'm gonna I deserve a nice

expensive bag. I deserve to take a full spa

day. I deserve to go get my nails done. What if I just

deserve to paint my nails and take 15 minutes for myself? What if I deserve

to go sit in my car for 5 minutes and be away from everybody? What

if I just deserve a shower and a glass of like, a bath and a

glass of wine with nobody bothering me? Right? When we only

look at things as these extremes, we can't see how

little things can make the change and it is little

things that make big things happen. Absolutely.

Let's just such a mic drop moment. The the little the the 2

millimeter shifts or the 2 millimeter tweaks

add up. It's the $25. It's the like, all of these

little small things add up over time over consistency. They

compound. Yeah. And

I've watched it happen in my own life over the last, what, 11 plus years

of making these kind of scary but

small tweaks. And, like, what does that add up to? That adds up to someone

that can go take a day to go take care of themselves and make themselves

a priority without feeling literally any guilt,

which is just so nice. Yeah. Yeah.

I have I have this thing. I'm not gonna say sorry

again, but you can tell me if I'm going. I have this other

theory where I compared I I do this all the time. I make

all these things up in my head, and I compared I was, like,

listening to music one day and, like, Diamonds by Rihanna came on and I was

like, oh, gosh. And I was just, like, letting it play, but I was

like they said there's, like, 3 c's when it comes to, like, being a diamond,

like, cut, clarity, and color. And I was

talking to some of my mom friends and, they they're using words

like empowered and blah blah blah and all that, and I'm like, you don't need

to be worried about being empowered and courageous and all that. Like, you need to

be worried about how to be resilient and because if

you can master how to be resilient, all confidence,

courageous, like, audacious, all all those empowered all those

bluff words come. Right? And so I was

like, there's really, like, 3 things that you need to constantly

put yourself first. And I always say it's like 3 c's like a diamond.

It's like you have clarity, you have consistency, and you have confidence.

If you can master understanding the cycle of

I need clarity, what's going on here? I've got clarity. I feel really confident

now. I know this has worked for me before and it's going to work, so

I'm gonna stay consistent with it. It's 3 c's over

and over again. Clarity, consistency, confidence. However you

wanna interchange them. But it's like those three things

are things that, like, I I sift through in my mind and I

encourage other women to sift through to say that it's like, if you can do

those 3 c's over and over and over again, you will constantly put

yourself first. You will know your you will value yourself. You'll know your self

worth. You won't seek validation from others. You won't question yourself.

You know? So I love that. Okay. Well, that's

definitely going in the notes. I mean, all yeah. All of this is going in

there, but that'll be a really good little, social

media clip for everyone that

likes to listen to the audiogram. So I know that's, like, my favorite part about

the little podcast teasers or the audiograms. Okay.

Danielle, obviously, you're on TikTok. So if

anyone wants to go have fun with you, we'll make sure to drop your TikTok

profile in the notes. Where else are you

showing up? And where else are you wanting people to see you?

I'm on TikTok. I love TikTok. Again, like, I would encourage

everybody to, like, follow me there. Instagram, I feel like that

is, the millennials Facebook now. So Yeah. That's that's

the comment. Are we on it? But I do. I love

Instagram a lot and I take on 2 different

personas on both of them. You know? One is still kind of my

business and I'm I'm a little bit softer over there. In TikTok, I'm very

in your face and abrasive, but I like that. That's how I that's how I

like to do it. And then I have a threads account as

well where I just make all of my threads unpopular

opinions about business education and photography

education. So kind of like that, you know,

your Dave Ramsey content. Yeah. You're you're a little polarizing.

Yeah. But, yeah, those are my 3 main, TikTok, Instagram,

and threads. And I would love for everybody to follow

me because I look nifty. Yeah. I've yet to pop into

threads, but you might you might convince me

because I do love a good unpopular opinion. Yeah. It

I'm I'm not super active on threads, but I tell myself, like, if you

go to know it once a week, right, and it's a challenge for me. It's

like, oh, this this is what the young people are

doing. Okay. Let me you know?

And Yes. Nice as of now for me

because I don't really know who's going to pop up on my feed.

I don't know who's going to do that. I was never like a big Twitter

person or anything like that, but I

also, as a 32 year old woman, like, I'm trying to get back in the

habit of reading more and not watching my phone as much, not

watching videos, not listening to things, that I'm trying to use my eyes. So

I'm like, if I go in there once a week for, like, 10 minutes,

that's pretty good. I'm reading. You know? That's how I validated it.

Yeah. Yeah. Alan's awesome. No. I felt that way

about Snapchat. It's like all the my husband who does not have a

TikTok. He watches the compilations on Facebook. He's almost 38,

and I give him shit for it all the time because it's just such a,

like, generationally, like, older thing to do, and he won't get it and won't get

it and won't get it. He has Snapchat to use with our

friends that are in their twenties. And I just can't. I have one,

and I I feel like it's such a young

person. Like, I I feel like I'm thinking, get off my lawn. Every

time I, like, think about using Snapchat, I just can't do it. So, yeah, I

I love that you're challenging yourself to do as the young people do with threads.

I'm trying I'm trying to, like, meet them. I'm trying to meet people. I'm trying

to stay hip. I'm trying to stay cool, but, honestly, it's a little overwhelming. You

know? Look what happened when I got on TikTok. Now I'm just a girl

that posts about her divorce all the time because it went viral. Like, who knows

what threads it's gonna be? But, yeah, I like to try to keep up. So

Amazing. Well, thank you so much. This was such a

robust conversation. It was really lovely. Yeah. No. It

is. I had a great had a great time. Thank you so much for giving

me my end. Whole space. Yeah. And

all of your wonderful places to connect will be down in the comments or notes,

not comments. Yeah. Down in the notes. So used to doing lives

for things instead of podcast recordings. It's just such a habit.

I love it. I love it. I love it. Well,

amazing. Everyone, make sure to go follow Danielle and have some fun on TikTok

or your place of choosing.

Yeah. And and put some content out there. Be

authentic. See what happens. Detach from it. Have some fun. Make

some magic. Yeah. Yeah. Throw it out there

imperfectly amazing. Thank you. Thank you.

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