Episode 42: Sittin' in a Tree

Welcome to another eye-opening episode of The JudgeMental Podcast! This week, Christine and Hugh dive deep into the tangled web of judicial ethics and conflicts of interest in family court, focusing on a real-life scenario involving Judge Gatewood and attorney Jim Murphy.

The hosts break down how a judge being a landlord to an attorney who regularly appears before them—and is appointed to lucrative roles—raises serious questions about fairness, transparency, and the appearance of impropriety. They discuss the ripple effects this has on litigants, the legal community, and public trust in the system.

Key topics include:

The ethical gray areas when judges and attorneys have financial relationships.

The impact of undisclosed conflicts on families navigating divorce and custody battles.

The importance of transparency and disclosure in the courtroom.

Real stories from listeners and the broader implications for family court reform.

Christine and Hugh also share updates on the upcoming judge-y app and encourage listeners to visit judge-y.com to share their own stories—good, bad, or conflicted. The episode closes with a call for more accountability and open dialogue within the legal system.

Tune in, get informed, and join the conversation at judge-y.com!

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Christine: Do you want your judge being

the landlord for the person he appoints

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to represent your children in a divorce,

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, Hugh: Or the person that's

opposing you in your divorce?

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Yep.

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Can't make it up.

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Christine: Yeah.

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I mean, yes.

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No, maybe so.

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Absolutely not.

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How is this not a conflict, y'all?

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We uncovered that Brian Gatewood

is the owner of the building

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that regularly appointed GAL/FOC.

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Jim Murphy is currently

the tenant of, right?

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Hugh: Yep.

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We did and we were, I mean, yeah.

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The funny thing is, it's.

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It's something that I knew

and had never just put, I, I

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knew who owned the building.

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I knew that Murphy was in the building,

but I never put those two things together.

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'cause I used to be next

door to that building.

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Yeah.

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But it just didn't, that part

never occurred to me because.

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Actually, I don't know why.

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Oh, because when he moved over there

Gatewood I believe was not on the bench.

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That's why.

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So he moved over there.

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And so what, you have one attorney

being a landlord for another,

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that's not necessarily super common.

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Yeah, super common.

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Christine: I don't really think though,

that those attorneys should be taking

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cases against each other, but it's

not uncommon at all for attorneys

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to own real estate and rent it out.

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I mean, I do.

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Hugh: No, I mean, yeah, that I

don't,, that's a different thing.

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And I think that once Judge Gatewood

took the bench, it just never, I

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never thought again about his building

or that Murphy was over there.

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'cause I think I had been moved out of

that building , and was already on a

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different part in a different part of

town, my office in a different part of

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town for years, by the time that happened.

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So,

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Christine: and for context, Jim

Murphy is the person appointed on

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the Adair versus Emberton case,

which we have people literally in.

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Florida, California, New York, Louisiana.

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Yeah.

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Well, I don't know about Louisiana.

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We have followers there, but I don't know.

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But we have people quoting Adair v

Eberton, which y'all know was Hughes

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case where the court issued the Court

of Appeals issued a scathing opinion of

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how court was handled , in Judge Gate

Wood's Court, judge Gate Gate's courtroom

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Hugh: with this, with

Jim Murphy, his tenant.

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Christine: Yep, yep,

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Hugh: yep.

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Christine: And so Jim Murphy gets.

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A lot of appointments from a lot

of different judges, but he makes

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a significant amount of money

off of Gatewood appointments.

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He has to,

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Hugh: yes.

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And Gatewood is in charge of,

making people pay Jim Murphy's fees.

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Mm-hmm.

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So one of the things, as we were

looking into this, and I know that

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there you posted some things on social

media asking questions about whether

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this would be prohibited or not.

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And , in our investigation, we found,

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1980, there was an ethics opinion about.

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Judges renting to attorneys.

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Yeah.

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Now, it doesn't explicitly say

attorneys that practice before them.

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I think it's assumed, even though it

doesn't say, but it says that it's

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a routine enough transaction, just

the monthly deposit of rent with

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the landlord, that it doesn't create

any conflict of interest that, yeah.

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Christine: You gotta think though, 1980,

I mean, we don't even have family court.

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I mean literally like

family court doesn't exist.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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, So what we know is that

could not have contemplated.

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That the tenant in that circumstance was

a appointed regularly by the judge and

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making money off of those appointments.

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That is a totally different layer

of interaction and financial

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interaction that did not exist

in that other ethical opinion and

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Christine: not at all.

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I mean, this is a scenario where

the judge slash landlord has the

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ability to appoint the tenant.

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And get the tenant enough money to

pay rent directly back to the judge.

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I mean, if this is not a

problem, what is a problem?

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Hugh: No,, I agree.

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, It is also more, you know, complicated

by the fact that you are granting

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this attorney limited immunity.

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In those circumstances where you

were appointing them, this person

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was also the campaign, was it a

campaign manager for the judge or

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was involved , in the campaign?

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Christine: I think so on KREF.

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And we will have to

share that information.

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And there's also even

another layer to this.

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So you've got a potential where

the tenant slash lawyer is.

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The GAL appointed for the child,

so comes with quasi-judicial

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immunity and is an attorney.

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Then you've got a case where Jim

Murphy, the tenant, could just be

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an attorney for either a husband or

wife, soon to be ex-husband or wife.

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Right?

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Hugh: Yep.

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And immediately after your social

media posts, people reached out

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and said, oh, he's the opposing

counsel, in my case, in that court.

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Christine: We saw it on Monday.

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Actually, we didn't.

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I stayed.

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I went and saw it on Monday.

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Where he was opposing counsel

and literally, oh my gosh,

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y'all, I forgot about this.

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I was so traumatized from

the mom being incarcerated.

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Dude, I forgot to even tell you this.

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So calls a case.

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First off, Jim's talking away, not

listening in anything, you know,

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which, whatever that happens.

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And he says, Mr.

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Murphy, are you the

GAL or the FOC on this?

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Which is everyone in

this room's pet peeve.

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And then Jim's like, oh,

okay, sorry, I missed it.

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And it, Jim was actually just,

the attorney wasn't even appointed

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as a jail or host, so they were

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Hugh: talking about the case and

Jim was not even paying attention.

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And he's the actual counsel on the case.

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Christine: Yeah.

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And the judge was like, are you

FOC or GL just assumes because,

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Hey, I appoint you so much.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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Christine: And I was just

like, is this real life?

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But a really big point.

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Another problem is that

when Jim is an FOC.

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That means that he's a fact witness

that's testifying and it's the

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judge's responsibility to really

ascertain veracity for truthfulness.

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Yeah.

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All of those things.

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And they have a financial relationship.

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But think about it like this.

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Think about if Karen Read murder trial, if

an expert witness was testifying and that

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expert witness was a tenant of the judge.

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Yeah,

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Hugh: absolutely.

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You don't think be, if if that came

out later and wasn't disclosed,

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that wouldn't be grounds for

mistrial or some other problem.

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So that is a, that is, you're correct.

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That's an additional layer that didn't

exist , in the factual scenario that was

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contemplated by that 1980 or thereabouts.

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Mm-hmm.

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Judicial ethics committee opinion

that talked about the routine

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transaction of a tenant and a landlord.

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They were not.

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Contemplating that that attorney was not

only practicing in front of the judge,

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but could be a material witness, a court

appointed expert type witness, mm-hmm.

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In front of that judge on a regular basis.

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Not to mention if the parties do

not pay the FOC or GAL, who gets to

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punish the parties for not paying and

make them pay and potentially issue

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orders, garnishing wages or bank

accounts to make them pay this tenant.

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It's the judge.

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Christine: Right.

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So the judge has a financial interest in

appointing Jim Murphy to all the cases

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, and I guarantees his rent gets paid.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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I mean, he actually has an interest in

things that he rules on, like motions from

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Jim Murphy to make people pay his fees.

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Yes.

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That is not something, , and in fact, the

ethics opinion that basically says judges

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can rent to attorneys points out that

those kinds of entanglements don't exist.

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And that's why it's okay.

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But in under these circumstances, you

actually have a judge being in charge of

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money going to the attorney as income.

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That then comes back to

the judge as rent directly,

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Christine: which in and

of itself is truly insane.

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It's not been disclosed to anyone.

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In any case, ever that I've heard

of, I had an attorney stop me in

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court and be like, oh my gosh.

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I never thought about it.

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Yeah.

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You know.

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Hugh: No, it is true.

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So there are times especially, I mean,

the smaller the town, the smaller the

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jurisdiction, judges know a family or

know people and, , and I've practiced

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in so many cases where a judge will say,

look, I grew up, our families were close.

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I don't really know these parties, but I

just need to disclose that and see, if you

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or your client is uncomfortable with that.

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And you have to say, judge, I'll check.

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I appreciate you letting

me know about that.

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And most of the time you're like, well,

I mean, you're telling me you don't

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really know anything about these people.

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Yeah.

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And you know, you just

move forward with it.

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But it gets disclosed

and it's right there and.

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You know, to the extent that if your

client as an attorney, if your client

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had found out about that in the

middle of things that had not been

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disclosed, then that causes a problem.

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Yeah.

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But the fact that the judge brought it

up and said it usually puts everyone's

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mind to rest and you move forward.

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Exactly.

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I am not aware in.

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Any case that I know of that that's

ever been disclosed, that I'm gonna

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appoint this person to tell me

basically what to do about your kids.

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And we know, I mean,, watched the

video from the Adair case that that got

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overturned, that he allows Jim Murphy

to come in as FOC, not being sworn

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in, and basically tell him what to do.

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And he writes it out and dictates what Jim

Murphy says he needs to put into an order.

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I can't imagine what anyone would

say if he said, oh, by the way,

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this person I'm gonna appoint and

basically tell me what to do is my

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tenant and apparently good friend.

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Christine: Yeah.

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Which

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Hugh: and, you know, and people

would not have a problem with that.

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And it wouldn't create the

appearance of a conflict.

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An appearance of a problem that will

require him to disqualify from the case.

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Christine: Well, I don't know.

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One, how big is this office?

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I mean, how much is he paying in rent?

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Is.

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Is it extraordinary?

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You know, I don't know the answer to that.

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Like, I mean, I

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Hugh: guess he could be renting

it to him for free and there's no

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financial entanglement that would be

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Christine: even worse.

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I mean,

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Hugh: I, that raises so

many other questions.

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I agree, but

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Christine: I don't know.

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Worse is the right thing

to say in this capacity.

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It would

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Hugh: be a different

problem in and of itself.

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Christine: Yeah.

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And I mean, on top of that, like it's

just, the actual judge's registered agent

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on one of his LLCs is to that building.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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Yeah,

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, Christine: It just feels

a certain kind of way.

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And we had a, like a flood of

comments of people being like, oh

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my God, I'm involved in that court.

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And if they're pro se and that's

where, you know, we don't ever

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wanna give legal advice, but you

had some people really panicking.

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And then I had other people

in the comments being like, if

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you're pro se don't mention it,

they'll retaliate against you.

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Like Christine can say it,

but you all can't say it.

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Yeah, we're

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Hugh: not, we're not weighing in.

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By the way, on, on , those issues, they're

just popping up in the comments Yeah.

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That people are talking about.

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So we're aware that they are out

there and, and how people feel

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about it and them being afraid

to bring it up and say anything.

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Yeah.

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And I honestly if I would.

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In Division eight especially.

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But, I remember as an attorney, you

know, if something came up Oh, and it

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came down to whether or not we would

ask for disqualification in front of a

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judge, that is one where I, I would've

been very afraid of retaliation.

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If you, if you ask, and

it's not granted, oh, in

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Christine: Gatewood Court,

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Hugh: yes, Gatewood was,

I've experienced it.

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Christine: Borderline

pleasant at motion hour.

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Wow.

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It was wow.

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Monday was a weird day and I got my

phone out because I actually wanna pull

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up just for like a frame of reference.

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And Brian Gatewood is the only

judge in Louisville that does

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not release a weekly schedule.

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So Brian release a weekly schedule

so we can see what you do all day.

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But for motion hour, I'm looking it up.

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But I wanna say he had at least

three cases on, just on Monday.

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Which is insane.

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Who?

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Hugh: Murphy.

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Christine: Jim Murphy.

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Hugh: Oh, in Gatewood courtroom.

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Like being appointed or had

cases where he was counsel?

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Christine: Yeah.

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Hugh: Oh, all altogether.

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Christine: All of the above.

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Hugh: He was involved in

three at just one motion hour.

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Christine: Yep.

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It looks like two or three in this one.

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And then one of 'em was a motion

where Murphy is the FOC, and it

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was a motion for attorney's fees.

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Now, I don't know where the motion

for attorney's fees, , you know,

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who was asking for fees, but

like you said, the judge has the

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power to order with contempt.

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I mean, you could potentially

go to jail if you don't pay.

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And I say

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Hugh: that because , I've had.

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Circumstances where I've been appointed

or people have asked me privately to

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be A-G-A-G-A-L or an FOC on cases.

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And I think it might've been even before

the roles were divided like that long ago.

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But I remember having to file

motions to make sure I got paid.

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And you knew the judge would always

order that your fees were paid, they

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appointed you to do it, and they protect

you and they order fees to be paid.

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And I've seen circumstances where.

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They still weren't paid, and

parties are held in contempt and

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punished for not paying the fees.

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So you've got a judge who has the power

and exercises, the power to make sure

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that the people appointed get paid, can

lock people up, , can levy , their assets,

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the bank accounts, things like that.

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Yeah.

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Can make sure that the FOC

or GAL gets paid is also the

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same person that's, that's.

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You know, making money off of renting to

that attorney I think is a good problem.

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And

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Christine: this just goes the

whole notion of like, it's one

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big club and you ain't in it.

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Like I think you absolutely have a right.

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You're going to court, you're

going through one of the

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worst times of your life.

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, If.

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It's crazy making, right?

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Like getting a divorce is crazy making in

and of itself it's divorce is one of the

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hardest things that people go through.

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It's like death and divorce

or what, you know what I mean?

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There's like a saying, but you already

are at a heightened sense of paranoia.

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When you get divorced, you are.

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You know, it's a legal proceeding

with someone that knows the good,

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the bad, the ugly about you.

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Like it's different

than a contract dispute.

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I mean, that can still be

emotional, but like this is

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your significant other, oh, it's

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Hugh: next.

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Yeah, it's

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Christine: next one.

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Yeah.

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Or this is like involving your children's

lives and you know, there's a heightened

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sense of, you know, oh my gosh.

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Like fear and you're actually,

people will sell everything.

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To protect their children.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's different than you could get

screwed in a contract You're not gonna

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sell your house to keep fighting.

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You know what I mean?

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You're gonna like take, cut your losses.

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People don't cut their losses

when it comes to their children.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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How do you cut your losses right

when it comes to your kids?

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Christine: But like there's a heightened

sense of even like paranoia and then

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to find out that your ex-husband's

lawyer is renting from the judge.

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If that didn't make you

crazy, you wouldn't be normal.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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How could you expect that there

isn't some sort of improper

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conflict when that's happening?

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Mm-hmm.

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How in the world does any litigant knowing

that a opposing counsel is a tenant of

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the judge and makes a significant portion

of his living getting appointments from

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the judge, how is that not a conflict?

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Christine: It's crazy and it feeds into

everything that we see online where

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it's family Court is one big cabal.

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Family Court is one big club.

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Family Court is taking people's children.

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Family court is just making

the lawyers rich like.

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Why, how would people think differently

if this is everything we've reported

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just in the last three or four

episodes has been like eye-opening and

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Hugh: all out of one county in one court.

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This is not, I mean, not in one day.

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Yeah.

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I mean, this, this is all stuff that,

you know, , we spread these out, you

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know, releasing them, but this, it's

just, it's happening so much in this

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one small, one, small lo location.

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And of course we hear about it

all over the place, but just.

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, I like, like you've said before, I my eyes

have been open to something that you were

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telling me early on that I just didn't see

from my time as a litigant in the courts.

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And they don't.

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Christine: Looking at it

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Hugh: from the outside, how

do you not have the feeling

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that everybody's in on it?

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Christine: Yeah.

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And it's, that in and of itself

is enough to make somebody even

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crazier than they already are.

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Right?

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Because you feel like the fix is in.

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And if you question anything, that's where

it gets really weird in family court.

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Like you're not allowed to ask questions.

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You know what I mean?

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Like.

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Judge, she's lying.

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You're gonna go to jail.

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Judge.

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Do you have a financial relationship

with the opposing attorney, ma'am?

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You know, it would be

met with such vitriol.

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Oh,

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Hugh: man, it would be, yeah.

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, I would, I'd like to see somebody have

the balls to, to ask that question,

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see what the reaction would be.

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Christine: Oh.

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I mean, and I think eventually

somebody will, and then all then, oh,

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Hugh: it's a matter of time now.

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Christine: Yeah.

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Then to all of the Louisville attorneys.

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Why aren't you bringing that

up on behalf of your client?

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Also

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Hugh: Well, I mean, from, it's funny that.

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We've heard lots of people knew

that that building was owned by

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Judge Gatewood or one of his LLCs.

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They knew Murphy was there, but just

like me, they hadn't put those two

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facts together in any meaningful way.

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And I, yeah, it

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Christine: now they know.

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Hugh: I knew that, and I've

known that for years now.

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I knew it.

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Sort of, I knew it from before, judge.

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, I just, I had no reason to think

about that, but now people are like,

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oh, wow, I never thought about that.

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Christine: Well, and that's

also, you're in the role now.

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Like we talked a lot on two podcasts

ago, two or three podcasts ago when

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we were in Judge Santry's courtroom.

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You said after the fact, like this

would've been normal to me, you

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know, six months ago, but I'm really

starting to look at it for how

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everybody perceives family court.

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And it was disturbing to see this like

good old boy club, good old girl club.

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It's not a sexist thing, but just like

one big club and you're not in it.

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And I cannot imagine the fair we have

got to, in my opinion, I don't know

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that there is any sort of quick fix

and there's a shit ton of problems,

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but I think there needs to be a public

defender's office or the equivalent

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for family court, because I don't know

how pro se litigants I would be shaking

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in my boots if I walked in and saw.

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I

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Hugh: I agree.

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I mean, you, you are at risk

of losing a fundamental, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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When you're dealing

with , your kids right.

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You're coming into this system and.

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As, as much as I hate to say it,

it sounds, , it appears that it's

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every , every bit is bad and maybe

worse than, than people talk about.

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How do you do that without an attorney?

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How do you do that without the

guidance for someone to say, Hey,

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by the way, this person's doing

this and this person's doing that.

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You need to know all of those nuances

to understand why you got locked up

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for just saying, you know, saying a few

words in, in court, or why this happened.

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Or else, it just seems like completely

insane if you don't know what

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all's going on behind the scenes.

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Christine: Right.

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But then also at the same time, there's

that other layer where people are

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like, all of the attorneys are in on

it together, and the attorneys, like

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the judge Santry said, it's a small

collaborative group or something like

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that, which lawyers shouldn't be.

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You shouldn't be describing lawyers

in an adversarial proceeding as.

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Collaborative.

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I'm not saying that.

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Or

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Hugh: collaborative with the judges.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, as, or you know, like Judge

Ogden, this is what they, this is

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what they mean by practicing law.

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We get to sit around and practice

and have brainstorms about how

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to get from point A to point B.

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Really.

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You're

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Christine: right, right.

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They, I mean, these are children's lives.

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These are significant monetary issues.

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Family court is an absolute mess.

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And , I wanna be careful because

listen, first off we get.

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So I had something said to me

pretty recently about, what happened

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when I released a video about

Judge Ogden and the baby case.

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And when you watch that case, like

I've said many times on this podcast,

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I had a, like, I felt sick watching it.

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Mm-hmm.

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I do not believe that the

judge, if that dad had left.

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That day and gone, and God

forbid, done something crazy.

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The judge did not give that dad any

empathy in that moment whatsoever.

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And so I don't wanna encourage anyone to

go down, quote unquote rabbit holes or

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get radicalized by what we are saying, but

literally we are just reporting on exactly

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what it is that the judges are doing.

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Did that make sense?

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Yeah.

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Hugh: Well, so, so the way , that

I take that, and I think

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that you meant it, was that.

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There are, there are tons of

conspiracies about this, and

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there are lots of crazy thoughts.

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We're trying to unravel it and say, no,

these, this is, it's really this simple.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That we, there are rules to prevent this.

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This is where the rules are being

violated and completely ignored.

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Christine: Yep.

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Hugh: And that's how

this is all interwoven.

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It isn't some, it's not some

secret club with these meetings

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and the Illuminati behind it.

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It is just the there, there are just

very simple rules that prevent this stuff

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from happening that are being ignored.

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There are very important

rights that the Constitution

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protects that are being ignored.

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Yeah.

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That are easy fixes for a lot of this.

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Christine: I completely agree, and

I think it goes back, I say this way

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too much, but judges are the new cops.

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The judiciary is the new policing system.

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Where of course you're gonna have bad

actors, you're gonna have nefarious

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players in literally every profession.

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Sure.

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Okay.

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Sure.

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Yep.

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And so there are nefarious people

within family court systems, whether

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they be judges, attorneys, GALs,

FOCs, court appointed therapist.

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It's not all of 'em.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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Christine: But the silence of all

of 'em is the crux of the problem.

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Hugh: Yeah.

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, I mean, I think , it's not a

problem that should be fixed

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only from people on the outside.

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And the more that we have.

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People covering up or speaking out

or dismissing, or let's name call and

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marginalize anyone that raises the

concerns or let's lock up the people that

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are, , that are raising the concerns.

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Mm-hmm.

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I, I think, is, is working to make the

system worse , and it's certainly not

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helping solve the problem and making the

public perception of the system worse

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Christine: and being silent.

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So many of y'all are being silent

on the issues that are happening

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within family court and silence.

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Is violence.

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That's what y'all tweeted all the

time during the BLM movements.

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That's what you said when

you were out protesting.

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And if you believe that, then

why don't you believe it now?

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Hugh: Yeah.

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I mean, , I believe it.

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I believed it then.

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Mm-hmm.

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I believe it now, but I,

I mean, most family law

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practitioners are going to come.

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Face-to-face with this, at some

point you're gonna have a client

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that this happens to, something

gets violated, something, something

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happens, and you're gonna have to

file an appeal and you're gonna become

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more and more outspoken about it.

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And the more you practice, the more

you're gonna , get to this point.

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Judges don't have to face that.

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The judges, their lives are easier.

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They're not going to have to,

especially the ones that are actually

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doing a good job, aren't generally

going to be affected day to day by.

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The other judges that are doing

these things, but it doesn't

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Christine: Oh, Hugh.

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I mean, but, but they

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Hugh: have, they have the ability to

affect change in a way that anyone from

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the outside or attorneys practicing in

those courts don't have the ability to do

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Christine: well.

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It's the one, it's the right thing to do.

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Two, there is a wave of people

that are looking for attorneys in

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Kentucky that when they call for

a consult, they're mentioning us.

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They're asking the lawyer

before they hire 'em.

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How do you feel about Kentucky,

Christine and Hugh, or the

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podcast or people saying that?

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Because the people are watching, like, and

they're listening to us, and so not only

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lawyers is there a moral obligation, in my

opinion, an ethical obligation, but also.

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It's going to start affecting you

financially if you don't stand up and

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advocate on behalf of your client.

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Hugh: Yep.

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Christine: And be careful, anyone

listening too, you know, there are some

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people that will speak very highly , there

are people that will tell you on the

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initial consult like, oh, I'm not scared

of these judges, and oh, I'm gonna

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protect your constitutional rights.

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And then kind of do the bait and switch.

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We have that in family court,

and I can think of three right

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now, but I won't mention 'em.

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Can you, I mean, you know what I'm saying?

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Hugh: Yeah, no, I know exactly what,

I know exactly what you're saying.

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Christine: So, it's just, there's be very

careful when you're vetting your attorney.

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And we have some fabulous, fabulous

attorneys too in Louisville, Kentucky.

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Oh

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Hugh: yeah, absolutely.

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Christine: Absolutely.

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I, and we have judges that are good.

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Hugh: No, there are judges

that I, there are judges.

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I like, we just don't get a chance to talk

about when judges do good things anymore.

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We were for a short period of time there.

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And then, then, yeah,

the shit show, you know.

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Reared its ugly head , and

had to become the focus again.

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And we'll get back to things

that people are doing right.

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Oh, and where, where things are working.

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Well,

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Christine: tell us all your

good stories, judge y.com.

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We want the good stories,

we want the bad stories.

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We want the conflicts of interest.

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Judge y.com.

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Y'all, when you're listening to

this podcast, we are probably

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within days short number of weeks to

actually releasing the app, right?

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It's go time.

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We're gonna let you judge the judges.

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I cannot wait for an update and I

cannot wait for y'all to see it.

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Hugh: Also, one other thing , I

wanna hear from the court system.

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We have a court administrator

who refuses to speak with us.

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I would like, you know, we have now

specific things, not hypotheticals,

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not you know, gray areas.

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We have some real.

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Problems, things that are documented,

things that have resulted in higher

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courts, saying that the judges in

Jefferson County are causing real

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problems in violating people's rights.

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And we're not, you know, we heard at

least through the press statements

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from the court administrator and

some other people when one of the

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criminal district court judges was.

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Circuit a circuit, sorry, the

circuit court from a criminal case

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was under scrutiny, not hearing

anything like that in family court.

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And I'd like to hear

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Christine: McKay Chauvin, we'd love to

have you on, we'll make it very respectful

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Hugh: or anyone else involved in

there that, that has a different

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perspective on it and wants to talk

about why things aren't broken or,

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you know, what should you know, why,

why something shouldn't be done.

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Yeah.

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You know, in some of these divisions

to address some of these problems, I'd

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like to know why there's the silence,

no statements and nothing being done.

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Or if there are things being done,

restore some public confidence and

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tell us that things are being done.

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Christine: Absolutely.

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Judge-y.com.

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Let's go.

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Hugh: Thanks guys.

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