When your sales feel… sleepy, where do you poke first? In this episode, we crack open how to tell if you have a speed problem, a standard problem, or a signal problem — and what to tweak so conversions wake up again.
We'll also dig into why “funnel problems” aren’t always problems at all — sometimes they’re just the market maturing, your buyer awareness shifting, or your traffic source drying up. Think of it like running lab work on your sales process: you’ll discover whether you actually have something broken, or if you just need to adjust your expectations, your lead intent, or the way you’re measuring success.
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What do you do when your sales stop
coming in the way that you want them to?
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Or when you look at your sales and you
go, I know that this could be converting
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better than it is, how can you start
to figure out what the diagnosis is for
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how you can actually make more sales,
either the level of sales that you used
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to be generating, or as your business
has grown, you know, to catch up the
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conversion rate that you used to have.
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So this was a question that
was specifically asked of me.
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It's not a voice question.
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It was something that was written into me
a long time ago and I'm repurposing it.
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But I wanna get into the different things
that you would maybe want to look at
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if you are experiencing this yourself.
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So let's get to it.
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So the question that I received,
I'm just gonna read this verbatim.
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So the question that I received
said, what's your go-to fix when a
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funnel is technically working but not
converting as well as it should be?
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You've got traffic, leads are flowing,
but conversions happen really slowly.
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Or you're converting way
below industry average.
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What's your first move When the data looks
quote unquote fine, but results don't
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match messaging, offer sequence timing.
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So, I mean, my first thing here would be
just to sort of point out like a funnel is
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technically working, but not converting as
well as it should be, means that a funnel
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is technically not working like a funnel.
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So also, I know a lot of people
are completely allergic to
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the word funnel, but a funnel.
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At its core, the only thing a
funnel is, is your sales process.
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It is a visual representation
of your sales process.
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So how do people find you?
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How do they convert to a lead?
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And then how do they
make a purchase from you?
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Is it on a sales page?
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Is it on sales call?
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Is it like, how is, how are
all of these things happening?
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What are all the different
moving pieces along the way?
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Where are they getting emails?
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Where are they?
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What are the starting points?
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What are the exit points?
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What's happening after this?
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You know, all of that stuff.
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That's all a funnel is.
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It does not matter.
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It does not matter.
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It's, it doesn't have to be like one
of those click funnely kind of funnels
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where you are just thinking of like
countdown timers and really gross, spammy
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bro marketing tactics and whatever.
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Like it's not, it's not that
it's just your process, it's
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just your sales process.
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It may or may not be intentional.
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It may or may not be working well,
it may or may not be automated.
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So many things.
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So, but a funnel is a sales
process, the key word being.
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Sales or the operative word being sales.
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So if it is not converting sales,
your funnel is not actually working.
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So come off that point.
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I also want to just for my first
note, say that there is a difference
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between converting slowly and
converting be below industry average.
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'cause that was the question asked.
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You've got traffic, you've got
leads flowing, but conversions are
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happening really slowly or you're
converting way below industry average.
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Those are two really different
things, so slow conversions.
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I also want to add, before I get into
this, this is all the context I have here.
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So you know, like there's, it's
linked in the show notes where
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you can leave me a voice note.
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Where you can ask me a
specific strategic question.
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If you ask a question like this,
I'm gonna, I can find a way to give
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you an answer, but I'm not gonna
be able to give you any type of.
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I think substantive answer because
there's no context offered.
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Like, I mean, my first question
here is, well what are you selling?
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At what price point?
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What is your, what are
your sales mechanisms like?
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Are you selling on a sales call?
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Do you have a sales page?
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Do you, what's your
calendar link look like?
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Like there are so many different
things where I'm like, I don't know.
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What are you doing?
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There are so many different
things to look at here.
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So context is, context is key,
but you know, to do the best
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that I can with what I got.
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So slow conversions are not necessarily
a sign that something is off.
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I think that there is this,
there is this notion that we
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have that, that you know, oh.
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Like, there's so many people that
have messaging around like, I'm
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gonna help you make faster sales.
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Uh, like there's something wrong if
you don't have sales happening at the
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speed of, at the, at the speed of light.
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And that is simply not the case.
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I think that it is also, also, we
are coming off of the golden age
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of a lot of people making sales.
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I think this is exceptionally true if
you are in a knowledge based field.
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So if you're a coach or you're
a course creator, sales.
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Have slowed way down by nature,
and there's nothing wrong with it.
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It's just the nature of the market.
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The market has rapidly sophisticated,
the market has rapidly evolved, or
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maybe I should say devolved because
there're just, there's a lot to it.
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And so sales slowing down or
sales converting more slowly
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may be just a sign of the time.
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It may be.
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Just sort of the nature of your
industry, but it doesn't necessarily
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mean that there's something
wrong or that something is off.
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So.
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The other thing that I would
want to add here on this is
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that people who buy quickly are
people who I call unicorn buyers.
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There are, I have, don't be shocked
here or anything, but I have a framework
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around all the different buyer types.
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I'm not gonna get into that right now.
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I'd be.
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Really happy to speak on that if
it's, it's of interest to someone.
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But there are seven different buyer types.
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I have unique personas and avatars
that I've created around each of these
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seven types of people, and what I would
call your unicorn buyer is someone
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who moves really, really quickly.
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This unicorn buyer for
me is a decisive buyer.
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I think the avatar that I have
for this person is, I think at one
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point I called her decisive Desi.
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Or Decisive Destiny or
something like that.
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I don't remember what her avatar
name is, but she's decisive, and
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that's a unicorn buyer because.
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They are your most rare types of buyers.
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They are really, really,
really highly solution aware.
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What do I mean by solution Aware?
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So, so problem and solution
awareness exists on a spectrum.
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So at the one end of the spectrum, if
you are imagining a line on the, on
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the left side of the line, so at the
very end, the one end of the spectrum,
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you've got people who are problem
unaware all the way on the other side.
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Are people who are most aware.
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It's kind of a silly, silly name for it.
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This is not my framework.
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This is just the way that
problem awareness, like if you
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went into a marketing textbook,
this is what it would say.
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So most aware means that they're like,
here's my credit card sale is made.
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I'm like, I'm, I'm ready.
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And the sale is basically done.
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So along that spectrum, there are,
you've got problem unaware, you've got
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problem aware, then solution unaware.
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Solution aware.
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Um, product unaware.
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Product aware, and then most aware.
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And so your problem, unaware people are
the ones who, uh, you know, like the
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example that I really love to give here
because I think it makes a lot of sense,
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is if you are someone who is selling
products for a person with diabetes.
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A person who has really elevated sugar,
their A1C is elevated blood sugar
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rather, their A1C is elevated, et cetera.
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If that person, if you are selling
to a person who is like, I don't
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have diabetes, they are problem
unaware, you are never going to
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be able to sell them a darn thing.
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Even if you can show them their blood
work and be like, Hey, do you see this?
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Do you see that?
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Do you see your A1C level?
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Do you see this?
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Do you see the other thing
like you are diabetic.
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If they're like, no, I'm not.
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You are never going to sell
them anything because they
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don't think they have a problem.
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So, but then from there, and we're
gonna stick with this analogy for
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just a second, if they are, um, once
they become problem aware is when
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they go, okay, yes, I admit I have,
I, I'm a diabetic, I have diabetes.
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You're right.
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Well, great.
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Now they're problem aware.
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But then we, when we move into
solution awareness, there are a
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lot of different ways to solve the
problem of being diabetic and having
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blood sugar that needs to be managed
in a more intentional way, right?
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So if you're at a doctor's office, there's
a solid chance that they're going to
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say something like, you need medication.
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But there are many people out there who
say, I, I understand that I have diabetes,
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but I do not want some type of chemical
intervention if it can be avoided.
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In any way, shape, or form.
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I would rather look for something
that is more natural, more holistic,
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and you as the listener might be
like, I totally agree with that.
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That's totally aligned with what I think.
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Or you as the listener might
be like, absolutely not.
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That's awful.
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No one should seek a solution like that.
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Like it's medication that
doesn't what whatever.
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Like everyone has a different
feeling on this and that's why
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solution awareness matters.
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You know, as you start to move
on, if, when they're solution
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unaware, it means they understand.
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They recognize that they have the
problem, but they're not sure how
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they want to solve it yet because
there are so many different options.
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But once they're solution aware,
they've decided, I want to solve
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this problem through nutrition.
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I want to solve this problem
through lifestyle changes.
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I want to solve this problem.
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Through, like just give
me the easy way out.
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Like if I can take a shot or just gimme
my insulin pumper, you know what I mean?
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Like everyone's going to have a different
style of, or everyone's going to have
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a different approach to the way in
which they want to solve their problem.
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This is different if you are selling
sleep coaching, this is going to be
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different if you are selling, um, like
wor non-slip work shoes, like someone
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would, would get in a restaurant.
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If someone doesn't work in a restaurant,
they don't realize that they have
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a problem of where, you know, they
don't, they don't understand why
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they would need non-slip shoes if
someone gets hired in a restaurant.
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Their place of employment says
you are required to get non-slip
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shoes, which I don't know if it's
mandated by law in every state.
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I don't know, but it like,
they might be like, I'm fine.
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I have good balance.
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Like I'm pretty coordinated.
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I don't need non-slip shoes.
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I don't need to go buy
another pair of shoes.
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I'm not gonna go buy those non-slip
shoes until they get to the point where
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they realize they get in the back of
the house and they're sliding all over
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the place from the floors are greasy
and they're wet and they take their
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first spill and they're like, okay,
well I guess I do have a problem.
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I do need your non-slip shoes.
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So this is applicable to, it doesn't
matter what you sell, there's always
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going to be some level of problem,
solution awareness, and how do
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they want to solve the problem?
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So, you know, and then going
from there, then product awares.
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Once they understand the way in which
they want the problem solved, then
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they go and look for a product that
actually offers the solution in the
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way that they are, are desiring it, and
then they make a purchase from there.
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Okay, so that was a really long
winded way to get to your unicorn.
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Buyers are really, really, really
solution aware and they are
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actively looking for a product.
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That can take them from product
unaware to pro to product aware.
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They're not thinking about it in those
terms, but that's essentially what
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they're doing, their radar is on.
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For, I know that I'm looking
for that pair of non-slip shoes.
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I know that I'm looking for
this specific, uh, you know, I'm
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looking for something that I can
do that I'm, I'm already a runner.
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Like what can I do that
incorporates cardio?
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And daily, daily movement.
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InCorp, you know, that integrates some
nutritional changes that I'm gonna
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be able to manage my diabetes better.
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Like whatever that thing is their, their
radar is on looking for that thing.
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Those people become your unicorn buyers.
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So if you want faster conversions.
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You need to target higher solution
awareness and mix that in with
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a bunch of activation triggers.
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Like that's, well, you don't have to
mix them in with activation triggers,
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but you can, if you are in an industry
where your solution, where your market
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is really, really saturated and or
really, really highly sophisticated, so.
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A lot of coaches find
themselves in this place.
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A lot of knowledge-based businesses
find themselves in this place.
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And the thing about activation triggers
is that's when you get into like things
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that really start to touch into desire
and you can start to get into more of like
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the agitating the pain points of things.
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cross into manipulative sales tactics.
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I don't teach those things.
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Buying processes outside of simply
like really targeting very, very,
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very high solution awareness.
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Um, but the, I, without like, that's
its own episode in and of itself,
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so I'm gonna skip that for a second.
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What I would add here is if you are
in e-comm or you are selling low cost
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digital products, I would check to
see if you have an abandoned cart
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sequence to recover sales because.
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That is going to be something if
you're like, well, sales feel slow
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and I'm generating a whole lot
of leads, but like, why am I not
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making sales faster than I am?
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There's a really solid chance that
you are getting people who are
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initiating the checkout process, and
sometimes those people are getting
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moved to your email list depending
on the way you've got that set up.
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Um, sometimes they're not,
it just, it just depends.
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But there's very little, I can't think
of a single checkout software, a cart
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checkout software that doesn't have
the ability to, to trigger some type
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of abandoned cart sequence, even if you
need a third party integration, uh, like
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Zapier to in, in order to complete it.
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So with those low cost products, because
they're more impulse buy type things, and
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you know, e-comm, unless you're selling.
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You know, if you're an artist and
you're selling $5,000 paintings, or
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you're selling, you know, $250 prints
of your, of your work or whatever,
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like it's a higher ticket item If you
are selling things that, you know, if
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you're selling shirts, if you're selling
candles, if you're selling bath soaps
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or things like that, or any type of low
cost digital products, especially if
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you're selling digital products that,
that are like under the 11 to $15 mark.
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I would say like abandoned cart
sequences are if you don't already
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have them, get them immediately and.
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You know, they're like
two or three emails.
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I would recommend three.
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I think more email is always the
better strategy, to be honest,
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where you just remind them, Hey,
you were looking at this thing.
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A lot of people will start to
initiate checkout, expecting there
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to be an abandoned cart sequence
that follows up with them and offers
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them a coupon code, and you may
or may not be on board with that.
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If I were running an e-commerce store,
I wouldn't typically wanna do that.
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I would be more inclined to give
them a coupon code to get their
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email address simply upon entering
the website, like having it trigger
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when they enter the actual website
and or enter the, the product page or
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whatever, or both or all of the above.
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Um, and then offer them like, Hey, if
you give me your email address, I'll
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send you a coupon code, or you can
like, spin the wheel to win a specific
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discount or whatever that would look like.
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But a lot of people know they've been
conditioned to know that when they start
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a, especially in e-comm, if, if they
start to check, check out somewhere.
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The retailer is going to wind up
sending them some type of discount.
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So a lot of times they'll just wait.
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They'll just initiate the
checkout and then wait.
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And if you don't follow up with them,
then they've forgotten about it.
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a coupon code, they may or not may not
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come, come back if you don't do that.
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If like they were specifically looking
to see if they could get a discount.
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Follow up with them.
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That's what an abandoned
cart sequence does.
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So you know, you just remind them,
Hey, this is what you were looking for.
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Hey here, here's how you
can go back to checkout.
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And there you go.
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So if you're selling higher ticket,
I think it's important to understand
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sometimes that conversions just
take longer and that is okay.
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It might not be ideal, but people
are, you know, people are gonna be
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ready when they're ready and like
that's just kind of the nature of it.
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People are ready when they're
ready and you can get better at
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speaking at the most ready people.
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But that is a specific
skill in and of itself.
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I would argue that if you are earlier
in business, that is one of the most
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important skills that you can learn once
you are further on in your business.
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I would argue that realistically the
bigger your business gets, the more
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you want to look at starting to capture
lead at a more broad awareness level.
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So you can start to take the, I would
never speak to people who are problem
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unaware, unless you are like way,
way, way, way far in your business
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and you're wanting to grow more of
an audience than necessarily ha like.
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Have the specific intent of always
only ever converting sales, but if you
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start to help people understand more
of their problem and why your specific
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solution is the thing that makes the
most sense, then you have the unique
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ability to capture those people of
once they understand that why your
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solution is the best solution, then.
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You can move them to that sale.
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It's just gonna take longer.
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Some of those people will buy right away.
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It's gonna click really
quickly with them in a way.
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They're gonna go, they're gonna
become solution aware really quickly.
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They're gonna wanna know
what your product is.
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They're gonna be ready to go.
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They've got the credit card, they've
got the means, they've got the
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opportunities there and, and that's just.
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Then they just make the
sale and that's fine.
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But the majority of those people
are gonna sit with it for a while.
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They're gonna contemplate, they're
gonna maybe talk to their friends
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about it, they're gonna maybe want
to explore more of your content.
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It's gonna take them a little bit longer.
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But I find for earlier business owners,
I find more people are spending more
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time in that place speaking directly to
problem awareness, and convincing people
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why their solution is the best solution.
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This is why you want to use Pinterest
in order to generate more leads.
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And I'm like.
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Why are we doing that?
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If you are trying to sell someone on
Pinterest, they should already know that
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they want Pinterest as the solution in
order to generate more traffic and leads.
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If they don't know that, like there
are lots of different ways to generate
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traffic and leads and you might believe
that Pinterest is the best way, but
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other, a lot of people who think that
starting a podcast sounds way more
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fun or way more accessible, or way
more whatever than Pinterest does.
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So why are we trying to convince.
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Them of anything.
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Otherwise, like, I'm not really here to
convince people, but once your business
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is further along, you can start looking at
broader visibility strategies and showing
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people what's possible for them when they
add Pinterest into, you know, their, their
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visibility ecosystem sort of a thing.
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So there's that.
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But then switching into
below industry average.
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Now this is a different, this
is a different animal, so.
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Looking at below industry average,
which again, because I have no
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idea what you sell, I don't know
what this looks like, right?
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Like it's really different.
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So below industry average if, if
you are selling low cost digital
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products, so if you've got like
a $7 thing or you've got a.
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$27, even a $7 versus a $27
thing converts quite differently.
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The conversion rate we're gonna be looking
for is gonna be differently if you, it's
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going to be different if you're selling
it to warm traffic versus cold traffic,
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especially if you're selling directly
to ads, like your average conversion
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rate is going to drastically change.
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So there's nothing to go on
here on, like what does industry
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average even mean to you?
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I don't.
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I don't know.
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I don't have anything to go on here.
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So in general, what I can offer
here is you're generally going
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to work back from what you want,
which is ultimately sales, right?
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So you're working your way
backwards from what is the only
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thing you need to make sales.
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It is TLC.
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If you've listened to the other epi, the
first couple episodes of this podcast,
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you'll know that I love to make the joke
about TLC, that it stands for traffic
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leads conversions, that the TLC that you
need is not the waterfall chasing kind.
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Um, and so you know, if you're not
getting the conversions you want.
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You take one step
backwards and go to leads.
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So are you generating enough leads?
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Now that is really subjective, right?
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So if you are a business
that is already generating.
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You know, a hundred grand a month,
the number of leads that you would
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consider adequate is going to be very,
very different from a business that's
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generating 50,000 a month than it
is for a business that's generating
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10,000 a month versus a business
that is generating 1000 per month.
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So you really want to look at, are
you getting the volume of leads needed
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in order to reach your sales targets
based on what industry averages
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like conversions are so often.
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It's just very simple math.
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Like if you tell me I'm selling a product
that is this much money and this is
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the way in which I'm selling it, I'm
selling it, versus I'm selling it with
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a webinar, I'm selling it with a sales
page, I'm selling it with a sales call.
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However you're doing it, I can work out.
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Well, this is the, this is the
average conversion rate based on that.
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So if you wanna be making X amount
of dollars per month, we can just
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work backwards and we go from there.
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And I can tell you, this is
exactly how many leads you need.
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Every month to be generating or
between this and this and that, right?
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Like your, your low, your mid, and
your high target range for how many
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leads you would wanna be generating.
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Then there are all different
other things that come into play.
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If you're generating, let's just
say the mid number, let's say I say,
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well, you need to generate between
50 and a hundred leads per month.
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Your middle number is
like 75 would be ideal.
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That's gonna get you exactly where
you need to be if you convert at
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the exact average rate of conversion
based on industry averages.
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And if you say, well, I'm generating
75 leads and I'm missing my
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sales target by half, that's
when I would start to look at.
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Okay, where's your messaging off?
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How are you communicating with them?
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Where are we, like, how are, how
are we communicating with them?
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What's the frequency at which
we're communicating with them?
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What are your, what are all
of your different visibility
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mechanisms that happen internally?
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So you have internal versus
external, um, marketing ecosystem
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that you have in your business.
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So your external marketing ecosystem
is everything that you think
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about for like general visibility,
your social media channels, your.
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Um, your podcast, your, your
YouTube channels, things like that.
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Your internal marketing ecosystem is where
once someone's on the inside, how do they
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continue to build onto things with you?
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So once they enter your lead, your
lead pool, once they activate as a
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lead, what's happening after that?
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Where are you sending them?
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Because if all it is is like,
Hey, go watch this webinar.
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And or, Hey, here's the coupon, or here's
the thing, and then you never email
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them again, or they watch the webinar.
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You send them maybe, you know, three or
four follow-up emails, and then that's it.
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Then I would like, that's a huge missed
opportunity, especially if you're in
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a really highly sophisticated market.
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It's not enough time.
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You're not honoring enough of the
buyer cycle for the people who maybe
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would've been ready after day 10 or
day 14, and a lot of industries are
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working in this way at this point.
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You know what I mean?
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So it's again, without having more
context around what's actually going
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on, it's hard for me to venture a
guess as to how you can start to.
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Um, sort of triage this, but that's, you
know, what you wanna be thinking about.
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So are, first of all, are you even
getting enough leads in order to generate
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what it is that you're trying to do?
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And if you wanna calculate this, if
you know what it is in your, in your
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industry, if you know that your industry
converts, like let's say you're just
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selling via like a regular sales page, so.
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Selling something that's gonna convert at
one or 2% would be great on a sales page.
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So if you say, I know that I
just need, like, it's gonna be
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00:22:30,143 --> 00:22:34,253
an average of 1% conversion and I
wanna make 10 sales per month, then
449
00:22:34,463 --> 00:22:39,263
just do 10 divided by, uh, 0.0.
450
00:22:40,123 --> 00:22:41,443
0.01,
451
00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:42,013
right?
452
00:22:42,013 --> 00:22:43,093
Like you just work your way.
453
00:22:43,273 --> 00:22:44,503
You just work your way backwards from it.
454
00:22:44,503 --> 00:22:45,703
Lemme make sure that actually makes sense.
455
00:22:45,703 --> 00:22:46,873
I know how to do it on a calculator.
456
00:22:47,173 --> 00:22:48,763
10 divided by 0.01.
457
00:22:48,883 --> 00:22:49,063
Yeah.
458
00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:50,113
That gets you exactly what you need.
459
00:22:50,113 --> 00:22:51,613
You need a, you need a thousand leads.
460
00:22:51,613 --> 00:22:52,693
That's what gets you the right number.
461
00:22:53,173 --> 00:22:55,933
So you just take the number
of sales that you want to get.
462
00:22:55,963 --> 00:22:59,113
Divide it by the percentage
is decimal points.
463
00:22:59,188 --> 00:23:01,513
So if it's 30%, it's 0.3.
464
00:23:01,513 --> 00:23:03,103
If it's 3%, it's 0.03.
465
00:23:03,103 --> 00:23:03,613
You know what I mean?
466
00:23:03,943 --> 00:23:06,343
And that gives you the
number you need that many.
467
00:23:06,748 --> 00:23:08,488
Leads or that much traffic.
468
00:23:08,488 --> 00:23:11,248
If it's a sales page, you're really not
getting leads, but that much traffic.
469
00:23:11,578 --> 00:23:15,148
So beyond leads, then you go
a step backwards into traffic.
470
00:23:15,148 --> 00:23:18,028
Are you even generating enough traffic
to be able to get the leads that you
471
00:23:18,028 --> 00:23:20,068
need in order to do the next step?
472
00:23:20,368 --> 00:23:24,598
So if you are not selling direct to sales
page, if you're doing something that has a
473
00:23:24,598 --> 00:23:28,948
webinar, or if you are doing a challenge,
or if you're taking people to a sales
474
00:23:28,948 --> 00:23:32,158
call, typically something that's higher
ticket, that's a more of a multi-step
475
00:23:32,158 --> 00:23:35,593
process, then you really want to be
looking at these things in two different.
476
00:23:35,968 --> 00:23:39,628
Areas you really wanna be looking
at traffic is a separate equation.
477
00:23:40,108 --> 00:23:44,548
And so you're starting to look
at, are you even, you just do
478
00:23:44,548 --> 00:23:46,918
that, that formula in reverse.
479
00:23:46,948 --> 00:23:50,458
So, okay, well if I know that I
need, well, let's do this a little
480
00:23:50,458 --> 00:23:52,648
bit differently because you're not
gonna do that with a sales page.
481
00:23:52,798 --> 00:23:56,878
So let's say you're doing a sales
call and you know that you wanna
482
00:23:56,878 --> 00:23:59,188
make five, five sales per month.
483
00:23:59,458 --> 00:24:05,368
And an industry average for sales calls is
typically somewhere probably between, uh.
484
00:24:06,268 --> 00:24:07,588
30 and 50%.
485
00:24:07,588 --> 00:24:09,988
If you're converting above 50%
on sales calls, you're doing,
486
00:24:10,048 --> 00:24:11,128
you're doing pretty well.
487
00:24:11,578 --> 00:24:14,788
If you're doing below 30% on sales
calls, I would say like it's time to
488
00:24:14,788 --> 00:24:16,138
start looking for your opportunities.
489
00:24:16,138 --> 00:24:18,958
If you've been selling for a really
long time and you had a higher sales
490
00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:23,428
call, close rate, and now it's dropped
to 30% or even 40% like you were
491
00:24:23,428 --> 00:24:27,268
doing 60 or 70, and now it's only
40 like, but anyway, in general.
492
00:24:27,673 --> 00:24:29,983
Somewhere between 30 and
50% is pretty average.
493
00:24:29,983 --> 00:24:33,193
So let's go on the low end of that,
just to be really conservative.
494
00:24:33,223 --> 00:24:35,923
So if you wanna make five sales
per month, five divided by point.
495
00:24:36,838 --> 00:24:39,208
Uh, what did I say, 0.3.
496
00:24:39,448 --> 00:24:43,408
So you would need to get
on sales calls with 16.667
497
00:24:43,408 --> 00:24:44,098
people per month.
498
00:24:44,098 --> 00:24:46,618
So let's say 16 or 17 people per month.
499
00:24:46,918 --> 00:24:50,878
So if you know that you need, let's say,
let's just be conservative and say 17.
500
00:24:50,878 --> 00:24:55,078
If you need 17 people to book sales calls
per month, well, okay, what's an average
501
00:24:55,078 --> 00:24:57,058
that you can reverse engineer that number?
502
00:24:57,448 --> 00:24:58,763
So, 17 sales calls.
503
00:24:59,418 --> 00:25:00,078
Per month.
504
00:25:00,228 --> 00:25:04,458
Typically, if people go to your call
booking page or like whatever your lead
505
00:25:04,458 --> 00:25:08,328
page is, you know this is gonna be really
different depending on what your setup is.
506
00:25:08,328 --> 00:25:12,558
Let's say you get 10% of people,
you're gonna get an average of 10%
507
00:25:12,558 --> 00:25:15,678
of people who view that page to
actually go ahead and book a call.
508
00:25:15,888 --> 00:25:17,868
So you're gonna do 17 divided by point.
509
00:25:18,223 --> 00:25:23,743
One to get that 10% so you know that
you need 170 people hitting that page.
510
00:25:24,193 --> 00:25:28,273
That's not 170 people that view
your story, or 170 people who view
511
00:25:28,273 --> 00:25:34,183
your posts or anything like that,
is you need 170 people on that page.
512
00:25:34,483 --> 00:25:38,593
And if you take that a step back, if
you know that you're having, you know,
513
00:25:38,623 --> 00:25:42,493
DM conversations with people and you're
sending them to that page, like it's all
514
00:25:42,493 --> 00:25:44,113
gonna break, it becomes a numbers game.
515
00:25:44,113 --> 00:25:45,253
You just learn your numbers.
516
00:25:46,003 --> 00:25:46,393
So.
517
00:25:47,428 --> 00:25:48,628
Where are you getting that traffic?
518
00:25:48,868 --> 00:25:51,838
If you're not making the number of sales
that you want, you start to look at,
519
00:25:51,838 --> 00:25:53,488
well, where's my, where are my traffic?
520
00:25:53,488 --> 00:25:54,298
Where are my leads?
521
00:25:54,328 --> 00:25:58,108
Am I hitting the numbers that I need
to get in order to make a different
522
00:25:58,558 --> 00:26:02,428
in order, in order to start assessing
where something might be off?
523
00:26:03,208 --> 00:26:03,448
Right.
524
00:26:03,448 --> 00:26:08,218
Because if you don't have the volume to
support the conversions that you want,
525
00:26:08,698 --> 00:26:12,628
you aren't gonna have enough data to
be able to tell where things are funky.
526
00:26:13,258 --> 00:26:13,828
You know what I mean?
527
00:26:13,828 --> 00:26:17,848
So beyond that, once you know, if
you know like, oh, I'm getting, I'm
528
00:26:17,848 --> 00:26:20,848
getting the numbers, I'm getting the
number of, I'm getting the number of
529
00:26:20,848 --> 00:26:26,068
views, I'm getting the traffic, I'm
getting leads and still nothing like,
530
00:26:26,068 --> 00:26:29,188
it's not converting the way that I
want, that's when I would go back to.
531
00:26:30,598 --> 00:26:32,698
Problem awareness and solution awareness.
532
00:26:33,238 --> 00:26:33,598
So.
533
00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:38,293
You know, it comes back to are you
generating leads with high buyer intent?
534
00:26:39,013 --> 00:26:42,163
And that's really what you wanna
start looking at is how can I
535
00:26:42,163 --> 00:26:44,503
generate higher intent buyers?
536
00:26:44,923 --> 00:26:47,623
And these are going to be people who
are typically more solution aware.
537
00:26:47,743 --> 00:26:51,073
This gets rolled up into your messaging
and into your offer, which, so this
538
00:26:51,073 --> 00:26:52,453
person said, let me go back and look.
539
00:26:52,783 --> 00:26:56,098
Um, what's the first thing that, what's,
what's your first move when the data
540
00:26:56,098 --> 00:26:57,418
looks fine, but results don't match?
541
00:26:57,418 --> 00:26:58,483
Is it messaging as it offers?
542
00:26:58,483 --> 00:27:01,303
Is it sequence, timing, messaging and
offer are basically the same thing.
543
00:27:02,728 --> 00:27:04,768
Your offer is messaging based.
544
00:27:04,798 --> 00:27:07,618
Your offer is not the thing
that you deliver to people.
545
00:27:07,768 --> 00:27:09,808
So just to make this, um.
546
00:27:10,138 --> 00:27:13,168
Just to make this as a point, I don't
like assuming that people understand
547
00:27:13,168 --> 00:27:16,108
what I'm thinking in my head out
loud, so I'm gonna say it out loud.
548
00:27:16,258 --> 00:27:18,478
I'm not trying to mansplain to
you, but your offer and your
549
00:27:18,478 --> 00:27:19,738
product are different things.
550
00:27:20,098 --> 00:27:21,838
Your product is the
thing that you deliver.
551
00:27:21,838 --> 00:27:23,638
Your offer is the thing that people buy.
552
00:27:23,968 --> 00:27:28,978
So your product is going to be, you're
selling a coaching program that has,
553
00:27:29,278 --> 00:27:34,828
um, two calls per month and offers
outside support on Voxer and does this
554
00:27:34,828 --> 00:27:37,468
and does that, and gives you access to
a resource library, whatever that is.
555
00:27:37,718 --> 00:27:39,158
That's your, that's your product.
556
00:27:39,518 --> 00:27:43,208
Your offer is the transformation that
you are highlighting through your
557
00:27:43,208 --> 00:27:47,798
marketing materials that actually
describes the outcomes and what's in it
558
00:27:47,798 --> 00:27:49,568
for them and why they would want this.
559
00:27:49,568 --> 00:27:51,308
And it's very, very messaging based.
560
00:27:51,758 --> 00:27:56,078
So your messaging and your offer
all get rolled up into buyer intent.
561
00:27:56,768 --> 00:27:59,048
Uh, and you want to look out.
562
00:27:59,048 --> 00:28:02,528
So is my lead magnet
attracting a high intent buyer?
563
00:28:02,888 --> 00:28:06,248
If you are in e-comm,
this is usually coupons.
564
00:28:06,568 --> 00:28:06,868
Right.
565
00:28:06,868 --> 00:28:11,548
Like it's very hard to argue with the fact
that if someone enters their email address
566
00:28:11,938 --> 00:28:16,618
in order to get a 10% off their first,
their first purchase, or 15% off their
567
00:28:16,618 --> 00:28:22,678
next purchase or whatever, you, it's not
super likely that the vast, vast majority
568
00:28:22,678 --> 00:28:26,783
of people are going to be doing that and
have zero intention to ever buy anything.
569
00:28:27,973 --> 00:28:31,693
You are definitely going to have
people who check out and they never,
570
00:28:32,083 --> 00:28:34,543
and when I say checkout, I don't
mean go through the checkout process.
571
00:28:34,543 --> 00:28:38,353
I mean like they mentally check out
and then they don't come back and like,
572
00:28:38,413 --> 00:28:42,373
so not, you're not gonna get a 100%
conversion or even a 50% conversion
573
00:28:42,373 --> 00:28:45,433
from that or anything remotely like
that, but you know what I mean?
574
00:28:45,463 --> 00:28:51,493
Like you're going to have a better
sense of those people are wanting
575
00:28:51,493 --> 00:28:55,513
to make a purchase because why else
would they be thinking about getting
576
00:28:55,513 --> 00:28:57,403
a coupon to make that purchase?
577
00:28:57,463 --> 00:29:00,943
Whereas outside of that, so if you
are in done for you services, way
578
00:29:00,943 --> 00:29:05,623
on the other end of things, don't
do anything informational because
579
00:29:05,623 --> 00:29:08,803
someone who's looking to DIY, their
own trademark, someone who's looking
580
00:29:08,803 --> 00:29:12,613
to DIY, their own website, someone
who's looking to DIY, their own copy is
581
00:29:12,613 --> 00:29:14,708
looking for how to write better copy.
582
00:29:16,048 --> 00:29:21,268
How to navigate the trademark
process, how to, um, how to
583
00:29:21,328 --> 00:29:23,248
design your WordPress website.
584
00:29:23,548 --> 00:29:25,468
Like those are the people who
are looking for those things.
585
00:29:25,468 --> 00:29:30,898
So if you're only a done for you service
provider and you are offering things like
586
00:29:30,898 --> 00:29:35,098
that, and you're sort of like scratching
your chin going, Hmm, I wonder why I
587
00:29:35,098 --> 00:29:39,418
can't get past this level of sales,
it's because you're speaking to someone
588
00:29:39,418 --> 00:29:42,328
who has a very different buyer intent.
589
00:29:43,093 --> 00:29:47,593
They're intending to do the thing
themselves, where if you look at,
590
00:29:48,613 --> 00:29:54,373
you know, how could, how do I wanna,
how do I wanna think about this?
591
00:29:54,433 --> 00:29:57,283
If you, if you are
offering a service guide.
592
00:29:58,168 --> 00:30:02,308
If you have a service guide or if
you have something that someone is
593
00:30:02,338 --> 00:30:05,578
typically like, what foundational
information are you typically getting
594
00:30:05,578 --> 00:30:07,738
from someone when you start a project?
595
00:30:07,948 --> 00:30:10,918
So if you're a web designer, what
are the things that you need from
596
00:30:10,918 --> 00:30:12,208
them before the project can start?
597
00:30:12,508 --> 00:30:15,568
So you need their brand
identity information.
598
00:30:15,718 --> 00:30:19,708
You need all their logos, you need
their, you need the copy for the website.
599
00:30:20,458 --> 00:30:23,608
How many website designers do I know
that would go, yeah, it'd be really nice
600
00:30:23,608 --> 00:30:27,418
to get, be really nice to get copy, be
really nice to not have to rewrite the
601
00:30:27,418 --> 00:30:29,458
copy myself once they give it to me.
602
00:30:29,938 --> 00:30:32,698
And then we talk about scope creep,
and then I tell you how that's not
603
00:30:32,698 --> 00:30:34,228
your, that's not your job to do that.
604
00:30:34,228 --> 00:30:35,158
Anyhow, I digress.
605
00:30:35,488 --> 00:30:39,148
But those things, so it would maybe make
more sense to be like, these are all
606
00:30:39,148 --> 00:30:43,828
of the things you're going to need in
order to start your web design project.
607
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:45,039
Even better.
608
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,009
These are all the things you're going
to need in order to start working with
609
00:30:48,009 --> 00:30:52,029
a professional web designer, because the
only person who's gonna choose to download
610
00:30:52,029 --> 00:30:57,069
that is going to be someone who's looking
to start a design product project, ideally
611
00:30:57,069 --> 00:31:00,999
with a web designer and get all their
ducks in a row so that they're organized.
612
00:31:01,734 --> 00:31:02,064
Right.
613
00:31:02,064 --> 00:31:03,414
Like it's not the be all end all.
614
00:31:03,414 --> 00:31:05,484
That's not the only way that
you can do a lead magnet.
615
00:31:05,484 --> 00:31:08,304
But if you're gonna do a lead magnet
as a done-for-you service provider, you
616
00:31:08,304 --> 00:31:11,724
really want to not be growing an email
list of people who are just trying to
617
00:31:11,724 --> 00:31:16,044
DIY everything, unless you are trying to
offer DIY products, you know what I mean?
618
00:31:16,044 --> 00:31:18,174
Or done with you products, if
that's something you wanna do.
619
00:31:18,174 --> 00:31:19,914
But that's a totally
different business model.
620
00:31:20,214 --> 00:31:22,974
So just food for thought
and then education based.
621
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:26,214
This goes back to where are
your most solution aware people.
622
00:31:26,604 --> 00:31:29,784
So as an example, let's talk,
let's say a nutritionist.
623
00:31:30,669 --> 00:31:34,749
So if you were a nutritionist working
with perimenopausal women, it makes a
624
00:31:34,749 --> 00:31:39,309
lot less sense to offer a lead magnet
that's like, here's your family friendly
625
00:31:39,309 --> 00:31:42,309
meal plan, because it's so vague.
626
00:31:42,669 --> 00:31:47,049
Someone who is not in perimenopause
could definitely want that, and not
627
00:31:47,049 --> 00:31:50,649
everyone who is in perimenopause
would identify with someone who
628
00:31:50,649 --> 00:31:52,869
needs family friendly meals, right.
629
00:31:53,964 --> 00:31:56,574
I think that makes sense when you
think about it that way, but it
630
00:31:56,574 --> 00:32:00,084
does make more sense to offer a lead
magnet that's more along the lines
631
00:32:00,084 --> 00:32:04,854
of hormone friendly meals to curb
your, what's a perimenopause symptom?
632
00:32:05,304 --> 00:32:06,324
I don't, I don't actually know.
633
00:32:06,714 --> 00:32:08,004
Uh, hot flashes.
634
00:32:08,334 --> 00:32:09,744
Is that too far into menopause?
635
00:32:09,744 --> 00:32:10,884
I don't, I don't actually know.
636
00:32:11,094 --> 00:32:13,074
Let's just say hot flash,
like insert symptom here.
637
00:32:13,614 --> 00:32:16,374
Hormone friendly meals to curb
hot flashes or whatever other
638
00:32:16,554 --> 00:32:19,464
symptom in 40 plus year old women.
639
00:32:19,884 --> 00:32:23,724
And then if you want to make the note
of, they're also family friendly, great.
640
00:32:24,024 --> 00:32:26,934
So that if they do have a fam, if they
do have a family and they're looking for
641
00:32:26,934 --> 00:32:30,504
quick, simple meals that the entire family
is going to enjoy, then they can know
642
00:32:30,504 --> 00:32:34,314
that not only are they going to get what
they need, but it's going to be easier
643
00:32:34,314 --> 00:32:37,164
on them in the long run because their
family will also get what they need and
644
00:32:37,164 --> 00:32:40,194
they're not having to make a separate meal
for themselves as they are for whatever.
645
00:32:40,764 --> 00:32:41,364
You know what I mean?
646
00:32:41,454 --> 00:32:44,304
It's a, it's just a very, very
different intent behind it.
647
00:32:45,146 --> 00:32:46,856
And that's really the starting point.
648
00:32:47,268 --> 00:32:50,598
This is, again, it's, this was
really unspecific because I didn't
649
00:32:50,598 --> 00:32:53,508
have a ton to go on, but hopefully
this gives you some things to think
650
00:32:53,508 --> 00:32:58,308
about and how can you start to
attract more, more high intent leads?
651
00:32:58,428 --> 00:33:01,578
How can you start to attract
more solution aware leads?
652
00:33:01,878 --> 00:33:07,668
And for those of you who are, you
know, already at 20, 50, a hundred,
653
00:33:07,668 --> 00:33:12,528
$200,000 per month in revenue, then
where can you start to look at like.
654
00:33:13,278 --> 00:33:16,668
You know, where are places
in your business where your
655
00:33:16,668 --> 00:33:18,678
conversions have started to drop?
656
00:33:18,678 --> 00:33:21,408
Like I know someone, this goes
back to the traffic thing.
657
00:33:21,588 --> 00:33:24,708
I know someone who was doing about
$50,000 a month in one specific
658
00:33:24,708 --> 00:33:29,628
product, and when she came to
me, she was like, it's crashed.
659
00:33:29,778 --> 00:33:31,968
Like I went from doing 50 grand a month.
660
00:33:32,223 --> 00:33:36,843
Just from this one product line, and
now I'm only doing 25,000 a month.
661
00:33:36,843 --> 00:33:39,723
Like it's a huge difference
in what it's generating.
662
00:33:39,813 --> 00:33:41,013
And I'm freaked out.
663
00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:42,003
Is it my messaging?
664
00:33:42,003 --> 00:33:43,833
Is it like, what's wrong with this?
665
00:33:43,983 --> 00:33:46,923
And when we really looked at it,
it was one visibility channel.
666
00:33:46,923 --> 00:33:49,833
Like she had one specific
visibility channel and it just
667
00:33:49,833 --> 00:33:53,103
like went away and it completely.
668
00:33:53,358 --> 00:33:54,318
I think it was her YouTube channel.
669
00:33:54,318 --> 00:33:55,308
We looked at a bunch of different things.
670
00:33:55,308 --> 00:33:58,548
I think it was something around
YouTube, um, where she was getting so
671
00:33:58,548 --> 00:34:02,178
much traffic from like these couple of
different YouTube videos and they just,
672
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like s stopped producing leads for her.
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And so we worked on it, we fixed it.
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I don't know enough about YouTube,
but I was able, we were able to
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pinpoint it and that that lead source
essentially got turned back on and
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it went back to the way that it was.
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And then we were able to look at like,
okay, now how do we grow this from here?
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So.
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You know, again, I would love to
answer more specific questions for you.
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If you want to check out in the show
notes, there is a, uh, there is a
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voice note tool where you can just
hit record directly from your browser.
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It will send me a voice note.
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Give me all the context, give
me all the information that you
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can, that you were willing to.
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If you wanna say like, don't
air this specific thing live.
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I'm not comfortable with
like the world hearing this.
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I'm happy to cut out
pieces, but in general.
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Like send me what you,
send me your questions.
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I would love to break down some
strategy for you on this podcast.
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So I hope that was helpful for you
and I will catch you on the next one.