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INTERVIEW: Chemical Coating Analysis Expert - José Javier Gracenea
Episode 2Bonus Episode8th November 2021 • Strange Phenomenon • Strange Phenomenon
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José Javier Gracenea received his PhD in Organic Chemistry from the University of the Basque Country in 1999. Since then, he has founded and been the CEO of many companies dedicated to the research and production of paints and coatings. He is one of the few who have been allowed to take samples of the faces of Bélmez. The work he did lead to findings that were shocking and are still debated to this day.

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Let me say, these are the typical stains of concrete after some time. When I was in Bélmez, I asked to them if there was a magnetic field. I don't know, several-- There was something doing this point, I mean, they're doing the faces. The answer was, no. Nothing was there. The faces of Bélmez were natural ones and that was all. Nothing more than that. Apart from that, you have, I don't know how to say, you have the media influence in this point, but technically speaking, there is nothing to say. We cannot explain why the faces are there. We cannot explain that.

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Afterwards, and once we realized that there was no organic compounds, we go into mineral compounds. For that, we used a scanning electronic microscope. Scanning electronic microscopy is more for atoms, not for molecules. With scanning electronic microscopy, what you see are atoms. You can see silicon, lead, I don't know, sodium, whatever you want. Infrared technology is for organic molecules, polymers, resin, and scanning electronic microscopy for atoms.

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For me, this is nothing. I did that from my best knowledge, no more than that. We didn't have any previous information, any previous condition. The program was because this was a point we talked about, and I told them then that it was not interesting for me at all. From other point than the technical one, believe me, it is nothing that is really interesting to me. It was very professional and scientific point of view, only scientific point of view. I don't mind about other side of this probability.

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