As a counselor and church leader, Sovann Pen has encountered many people struggling with church hurt. Then, his own family had to go through the pain of leaving a church when they sensed that God had something else for them. In this episode, Ann and Sovann chat about the pain of leaving a church, choosing a healthy church environment for your kids, and how discipleship really happens in small groups.

You can find links to Sovann's Courage, Coaching and Counseling Podcast, his YouTube videos, and more at www.sovannpen.com. Follow Sovann @sovannpencounseling.

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