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Hello and welcome to Business Versus Bullshit, our featured quiz show, which up until now has been part of BW B extra on Thursdays, but now we're giving it a life of its very own.

Every Friday this week it's Rodney P in the hot seat.

Um, so this brings us to our favorite part of the show, the business versus Bullshit.

Quick, far around.

Okay.

Deq, the music.

You very much.

This is where we're gonna reel off some key terms and all you have to do is tell us what you think.

There's business or bullshit.

Is that clear, Rodney?

Oh, cool.

Business or bullshit.

Or you may say biz shit.

Don't, don't do too many biz shits cuz it's kind of a cop out.

Yeah.

We have somebody to the, say the buttoned liquor on a table.

Then every time you do a big shit, you'll have to take a drink.

Oh, I So we should have done, it's a good plan.

That's a good plan.

I definitely need a drink.

Okay.

Are you ready?

Let's go.

Okay.

Tour managers business or bullshit?

Um, this shit, sorry for the first one being, you can discuss, you can discuss if you wish.

This is not a five second thing, so.

Okay.

Well, I mean, tour managers if they're good at their job, come in very handy, but I know some tall managers who were just along for the rider to get pissed on the free rider of Luca.

Yeah.

So depends on how seriously you take your job.

Indie labels business or bullshit business.

Yeah.

Album reviews, bullshit.

Uh, major labels.

Business like.

I don't want people to think that because like everyone's independent.

Now, hopeful for you.

Most of these independent artists are still connected to major label.

Right.

You know, major labels still have range of funding and backing and access.

You know, especially if you, you are thinking about where can you place your song on the next Grand Theft auto song, and you need your publisher to be on job to make sure that happens.

Um, paying your Jews.

Business.

Yeah, I think that's pretty fair.

Auto tune.

Oh God.

But I'm gonna say biz shit.

And I'm gonna explain why HOL Tune is something that you hear on 99% of the records that you hear on the radio today.

But used in different ways.

I'll guarantee you Beyonce and Alicia Keys and all of those people who you think have these amazing voices and do have these amazing voices, but they all use just to tweak the edges.

Mm-hmm.

It's when you find these newer young artists who just turned the knob up to fall, it just sounds horrible to me, and part of it to me happened when it, it happened first within hip hop.

There was a time when some of the biggest hip hop tunes would have r and b singers singing the hooks.

Yes.

But they need paint.

Yes.

And they take some of your publishing.

So a lot of the rappers said, fuck it, I'll just sing the hook myself.

Get some auto tune.

Mm-hmm.

And you, but you can't sing in the first place, bro.

So that's always gonna be a problem.

So for me, tun is bullshit.

But if you are working in.

The business, it can be put to some good juice government attitude towards nightlife.

Ooh, that's a big one, isn't it?

That one.

Um, what is the government?

I dunno, clever covid.

I think everything's gone a bit sideways.

I'm not sure how much support they're giving him, but I think if you don't support the nightlife in any major city or.

Town you are doing a place of disservice.

Well, the kids don't come.

I mean, it's sort of what's short, what's shortage and the East London phenomenon about, well, you remember, like, I remember well, the squat parties were Yeah.

And all these empty buildings and, and it was fucked up.

And then the cool kids started turning up and then they got laptops and the internet turned up and then it was like, you know, sudden we had a tech scene.

You know, because they want to hang out with Rodney Piers.

You know what I mean?

Uh, cassettes, God, who put this one in where, you know, again, I'm showing my age, but I still have a collection of cassettes.

People have started selling them all again.

Now.

Do you think they're listening to them?

I always wonder whether anyone's actually, how are they playing them?

Is it just a Yeah, I know a few people got collect players.

I think part of it is about the collectibles at the minute.

Like I, I'm actually planning on putting a release on, on vinyl cassette tape, and I know it's purely for a handful, handful of people who will.

Play them, but the joy of the majority of people would just want to have them in their collection.

Bedroom artists, business, business, I think a lot of incredible artists have come out of bedrooms.

See, would've probably, you would've probably never heard of if they didn't have that technology to use now and you could now run a successful business.

You know, some artists have done and been brilliant at building up thing.

Absolutely.

Vinyl.

Oh, business man Business course.

Of course.

I have no idea what this one even means.

Breaking America.

Oh, right, yeah.

What does that's, do you mean breaking British music?

Breaking into It's really American artists come here, but anyway, you know.

Yeah.

I mean, it's business.

It's business, but it doesn't have the weight that it used to.

Okay.

And, and, I think there's a lot of English artists now.

I will say, fuck America, I can't, I can't be asked to go and tour for six months to artists who don't know who, who I am.

And I'm already doing a fucking 2 million streams here and across Europe every week.

Anyway, let me go.

Instead of going, um, instead of going west, let me go east, you know?

No, that's east.

That's West West's, East's.

Anyway, we're on a podcast, guys.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Anyway.

Yeah, don't matter.

But I mean, for someone like me, I've been putting out records since The Ease.

Yeah.

And as much as I had an audience in England, There were times in my career I had a bigger audience in like France or Germany or Australia or New Zealand.

So that has always been more important to me.

Now we're in the time of the technology where actually there's a lot, there's a few more English artists who are moving towards America, and I don't even know if Stormy or the big names that have come out, the new hiphop scene.

Some of them have, have they made like some are like central c.

He's, he's a, he's a young artist, but he's, he's really blowing in America.

Like he, these guys are doing huge shows and what vibes he, is that a grime artist or He's, he's like a grim drill artist, right?

Like the drill scene in the UK has really taken hold in America.

So there's been a drill scene in America.

The, the original drill scene drill was a, a style of hiphop music.

It started out in Chicago, chief Keith for those guys, but then the English kids took it and reinvented it as the way English kids are so good at doing.

And then the sound that they reinvented.

Then it was the sound that everyone took hold of.

So like New York drill is based from English drill.

The majority of American drill now is based on English drill.

When you hear about, there's Italian drill, Australian drill.

European J from every country, but it's all based on the English version.

Wow, I didn't know that.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

We're quite good at that sometimes.

Yeah, absolutely.

Uh, last one, merch, merchandise.

Business.

Business, business and, and easy business too.

Nice.

Two.

That's it.

Thanks, Rodney.

You've been absolutely brilliant.

You got 2,326 points.

A big thank you to Rodney for joining us this week, and we'll be back with a brand new episode next Tuesday.