Your podcast is more than just your audio file.
Speaker:And as podcasting matures, the not-just-audio parts of your show will
Speaker:become more important factors that influence your podcasting success.
Speaker:Hello, and welcome to another Podcast Pontifications with me, Evo Terra.
Speaker:It's a new year and maybe a new you, and maybe you're thinking
Speaker:about making a new or perhaps renewed commitment to your podcast.
Speaker:Excellent!
Speaker:I applaud you for doing that.
Speaker:If you haven't quite figured out where to start, might I suggest that you start in
Speaker:an often overlooked area of podcasting?
Speaker:And that is the copy that you write for your podcast's episodes.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:Well, the simple answer is one of competition.
Speaker:There are more podcasts than ever before and having a more complete podcast gives
Speaker:you a leg up in the competition space.
Speaker:But the better answer is we need to grow up.
Speaker:Better stated, we collectively need to grow up our approach to podcasting
Speaker:and our podcast episodes themselves.
Speaker:We need to be less lazy and stop propagating the myth that all we have
Speaker:to do is get the audio right, and then everything else will take care of itself.
Speaker:Yes, you want to get the audio right, but everything else won't
Speaker:necessarily take care of itself.
Speaker:To help prove that, I want to go back and look at an episode of my
Speaker:show, this show, that I published literally the day before I went on
Speaker:break, the last episode that went out.
Speaker:When I look at the thirty-day download numbers, I'm seeing it's roughly about
Speaker:15% more people downloaded that episode than a typical episode of my show.
Speaker:Now, I attribute that mostly to the extra sharing that happened on that
Speaker:episode due to the topic of the episode.
Speaker:True.
Speaker:But also, we have to remember that about half, a little more than half,
Speaker:as a matter of fact, of the downloads on that episode were automated.
Speaker:That's downloads from Apple Podcasts and Overture, both of which
Speaker:automatically download stuff by default.
Speaker:But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker:So that episode was slightly better when looked at from a how many
Speaker:downloads did it get perspective.
Speaker:Now you see far too many podcasters stop there.
Speaker:Far too many podcasters have no web presence to speak of,
Speaker:not for their podcast at least.
Speaker:If anything, maybe it is one of those one-click sharing services like
Speaker:PodLink or Linktree or something else.
Speaker:And look, I understand, I mean, I really understand that it takes time and takes
Speaker:treasure as well as some talent to make a real web presence for your show.
Speaker:But it is so worth it.
Speaker:Here's the proof of that continuing.
Speaker:The webpage for the episode we're talking about right now got almost as many
Speaker:pageviews, unique pageviews, by the way, as unique downloads of the audio file.
Speaker:Think about that for a second because that's huge.
Speaker:That's just the webpage itself was viewed by people as many times as
Speaker:the episode was downloaded, almost.
Speaker:And yes, yes, I will agree with you that some of those webpage pageviews were from
Speaker:people who had listened to the episode.
Speaker:But here's an argument against that.
Speaker:The average time on page for that episode page I'm speaking
Speaker:of was four and a half minutes.
Speaker:That tells me people were doing more than just clicking through to find it.
Speaker:They were actually spending time because I wrote an article worth spending time with.
Speaker:Keep in mind that the webpages for my podcasts are a lot more than just a simple
Speaker:paragraph and maybe some bullet points.
Speaker:No, I write a fully developed article that is rewritten so that
Speaker:it can be read with your eyeballs.
Speaker:I'm not the only podcaster that does this.
Speaker:A lot of podcasters do.
Speaker:And far too many of them stop there.
Speaker:Far too many take the time to craft a great on-site episode detail
Speaker:page, along with a great podcast episode, yeah, and then hit publish.
Speaker:But there's an obvious, rather missed opportunity, I think.
Speaker:If you're doing the work - that means writing great copy, and formatting
Speaker:the page so it reads well - if you're doing the work to make a great reading
Speaker:experience, let your audience subscribe to that great reading experience.
Speaker:Now, I do that with a newsletter.
Speaker:In fact, the newsletter, the episode, the edition that I sent out for the episode
Speaker:we're talking about right now, it was opened and read by about half of the
Speaker:number of people who read the webpage.
Speaker:Hmm.
Speaker:And this time, by the way, I am confident that I can combine both
Speaker:my unique webpage viewers and the newsletter edition openers.
Speaker:I think that number is likely to be quite additive.
Speaker:That's why longtime listeners of this show have heard me say over and over
Speaker:again that my words are read by more people than are listened to by people.
Speaker:If you really think that the content, the fonts, the ideas, the stories, the
Speaker:concepts, if you think that, that you have to offer is more important than the
Speaker:container, that's an MP3 file, then you'll embrace the idea of writing better copy.
Speaker:But you can still do more with the copy that you have, the
Speaker:better copy that you have.
Speaker:Like, I take the article that I've written, spend all that
Speaker:time on, and then I condense it.
Speaker:No, not just to make an in-app episode details, which I do, and you probably
Speaker:call show notes, but to create social content that can be shared across the
Speaker:platforms I'm active on - Twitter, mostly, and those that I'm less
Speaker:active on - Facebook and LinkedIn.
Speaker:For Facebook and LinkedIn, I simply take that condensed version and share it.
Speaker:Simple copy, paste, schedule, done.
Speaker:For Twitter, I'm using a very nifty service called Chirr App.
Speaker:I'll put a link to it in the episode details.
Speaker:I use that Chirr App to make a Twitter thread.
Speaker:It's the same copy, but slight formatting tweaks for each one of these places.
Speaker:Again, how does it work?
Speaker:Well, the social reach for the episode in question here was in
Speaker:the thousands with engagement numbers in the hundreds, tripling
Speaker:the size that I reached previously.
Speaker:Now, some of the people that I reached through social media have really no idea
Speaker:who I am or what this show is about.
Speaker:But they do now.
Speaker:Some of the people reached in the social sharing decided to engage with
Speaker:those social shares and now better know who I am and what the show is about.
Speaker:And some, I'm sure, decided to listen for the very first time.
Speaker:Or maybe they decided to read that linked article, maybe even
Speaker:subscribe to the newsletter.
Speaker:So, what's the takeaway from all of that for the serious podcasters?
Speaker:Well, I'll tell you.
Speaker:Writing copy for podcast matters.
Speaker:For your podcast, it matters.
Speaker:Copywriting is a skill set that you can develop.
Speaker:Or you can hire out for, sure.
Speaker:But you or someone on your team needs to develop the skill, and you, the
Speaker:serious podcaster, need to allow for the time it takes to develop that
Speaker:copy and then share that copy in meaningful ways with your audience.
Speaker:If you want your podcast to be taken seriously, then get serious about the
Speaker:entirety of your podcast production.
Speaker:Writing great copy for your podcast and for your episodes
Speaker:is an integral part of that.
Speaker:And it's never going to be something that's not a part of that.
Speaker:And sure, perhaps AI is going to come along eventually and make that
Speaker:better and easier, but right now we are a long ways away from that.
Speaker:What I've seen from artificial intelligence and machine learning isn't
Speaker:too bad at generating marketing copy.
Speaker:Although, I would say that the output is actually significantly less than
Speaker:if you hired a talented copywriter.
Speaker:But it takes - there's a very uncanny valley that has a long way to go before
Speaker:it starts writing like a real person.
Speaker:So don't wait for that.
Speaker:Invest in better podcasting.
Speaker:Invest in better copywriting for your podcast today.
Speaker:I shall be back on Monday with yet another Podcast Pontifications.
Speaker:Cheers!
Speaker:Podcast Pontifications is written and narrated by Evo Terra.
Speaker:He's on a mission to make podcasting better.
Speaker:Links to everything mentioned in today's episode are in the notes
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Speaker:A written-to-be-read article based on today's episode is available at
Speaker:podcastpontifications.com where you'll also find a video version and a corrected
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