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#136. Breaking the Sacred-Secular Divide: What the Bible Really Says About Everyday Work
Episode 13623rd September 2025 • Our Urban Voices • Dr. Alfonse Javed
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Denise Daniels and Elaine Howard Ecklund co-authored a book, Working for Better: A New Approach to Faith at Work. It addresses a world where workplaces are becoming increasingly diverse with a timely guide for Christians navigating the modern faith-at-work landscape.

Book: Working for Better (IVPress link)

Book: Working for Better (amazon.com link)

Wheaton College

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:

  • Key Tensions of Faith at Work
  • Inequalities Among Minorities
  • Respecting Other Faiths Without Compromise

ABOUT THE GUEST: 

Denise Daniels (PhD, Organizational Behavior, University of Washington) is Hudson T. Harrison Professor of Entrepreneurship at Wheaton College. Her scholarly interests include meaningful work, religion in the workplace, Sabbath, leadership, gender, and motivation. She has written over 50 academic articles and book chapters, and co-authored several books including, Working in the Presence of God (Hendrickson); Religion in a Changing Workplace (Oxford University Press); and Working for Better: A New Approach to Faith at Work (InterVarsity Press). She is on the board of a fintech company and also serves on the board of the Theology of Work Project (theologyofwork.org).

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TIMESTAMPED SHOWNOTES:

00:37 - Introducing Dr Denise Daniels

02:42 - Inspiration for researching faith tin the workplace

02:53 - ...exhausted from work and family - looked at Sabbath

04:20 - ...Book: Working for Better

06:17 - Understanding the Lack of Sabbath

07:52 - Summary of the Findings of the Research

08:11 - ...people want to be their whole self at work

09:51 - Surprising Conclusions from the Research

10:15 - ...how many people were interested in engaging their faith at work

10:36 - ...how few people viewed their work as a calling

11:48 - Key Tensions of Faith at Work

12:15 - ...Sacred / Secular Divide

12:46 - ...Individual / Systemic Approach

13:03 - ...Discrimination

13:46 - ...Gender

14:11 - Tensions Affecting Minority Groups

15:26 - ...have you been asked to act contrary to your religious beliefs at work?

17:32 - ...have you been discriminated against because of your sex?

19:33 - ...regional differences

20:48 - Other Inequalities Among Minorities

21:02 - ...overlap with minority religion and people of color

21:42 - ...Christians have a responsibility to create structure to be fair

22:26 - ...principled pluralism

22:54 - Christians being respectful of other faiths while living their own faith

23:11 - ...respect different perspectives

23:18 - ...listen to different perspectives

24:22 - ...know and understand what you believe

24:26 - ...engage respectfully

24:29 - ...seek to understand

26:24 - ...all people reflect the Imago Dei

27:17 - Work / Rest

28:06 - ...easy to work and ignore Sabbath

29:21 - ...hard to disengage from established rhythms

30:23 - ......desire to work: success leads to success

30:29 - ......desire to work: affirmation from other people

30:51 - ......intentionally rest

32:50 - ...there is a cost to not resting

33:31 - The hope is that the book, Working for Better, is useful to congregations and people

34:33 - Finding the book, Working for Better: amazon, IVPress

35:09 - Contact: wheaton.edu (Denise Daniels)

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