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Tim Jahn of We're Only Human
Episode 20 • 19th November 2020 • Podcaster Stories • Danny Brown
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This week on Podcaster Stories, I sit down with Tim Jahn of We're Only Human.

We're Only Human is a podcast celebrating the resiliency of the human spirit, through conversations with people from all walks of life.

Topics up for discussion this week include:

  • how his early video show inspired the podcast
  • the challenges he's found switching formats from video to audio
  • why going all in on the quality of the podcast is key
  • why starting a podcast for the wrong reasons is doomed to fail
  • why getting divorced completely changed his way of life
  • how he feels he gets more out of the podcast than his listeners
  • how recording his show always brought him out of any doldrums he was experiencing
  • why curiosity drives the best experiences
  • the single characteristic that defines resilience
  • why we need to remind ourselves that we're all making this up as we go along
  • how one specific conversation about life being a series of train journeys blew him away
  • how we can define our own lives
  • what his goals are for the show moving forward
  • what the unique value is that Tim can provide his listeners
  • why his advice to new podcasters is to understand the motivation of why they're starting
  • why your podcast needs an elevator pitch
  • why we need to forego imposter syndrome
  • why his heroes are everyone he's chatted to

Settle back for an open and free-flowing chat about life changes and recognizing our inner value.

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I get more out of the podcast than probably anybody

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listening. I mean, at the end of the day, I

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do it for me and I do want others to

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learn from it because part of my mission is to,

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you know, when I got divorced, I was able to

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get through it from hearing other people's stories. So I

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want other people to be able to learn from whatever

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I'm talking about in the podcast. But I mean, every

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conversation I have with every guest and we're only Human

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is generally I'm walking away like, Oh my gosh, I'm

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so glad I had that conversation. You know, it, there

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might be some moment they had in their life or

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some way of dealing with this situation that I'm now

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going to try or some tips for life. And so,

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you know, like I think about what's your motivation behind

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your podcast.

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I hope it's something that's selfishly, you know, benefiting you

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so that, because that's, what's going on,

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I keep you going hi and welcome to Podcaster. Stories

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each episode will have a conversation with podcasters from across

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the globe and share their story. What motivates them by

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the start of, to show how they grew up in

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the show and more I'll also talk about their personal

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lives and some of the things that have happened that

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made them the person you are today. And now here

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is your host Danny Brown hi, and welcome to another

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episode of Podcaster. Stories where we get to meet the

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people behind the voices of the show. As we were

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listening to this week, I've got someone I've known for,

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I think, 10 years now, I'm at the, at least

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maybe I'm from the good old L and D is

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a social media. And I believe it, he says, Tim

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John pronounced John, correct?

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Because I used to say to him, and I think

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for Tim and John and his John, yup. That is

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John. Ask him why I came here to remember that

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discussion that we may have had in someone's blog comments

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or whatever, where that, I think that you used that

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if you put me straight on the pronunciation of your,

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your surname and Tim's Lee, a host of we were

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on the Human, which is a shore celebrating the resiliency

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of the human spirit through conversations with people from all

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walks of life. So Tim, welcome to the show. How

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about you tell us about yourself on your podcast.

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Sure. I started the podcast in November of 2019. So

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as of today, a little more than a year ago,

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I'm someone who has always been a creator, all mediums,

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but around the time we met, I had a, I

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didn't call it a podcast back then because there wasn't

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really a podcast. I called it a web interview video

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series, but it was the same idea interviewing people at

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the time it was entrepreneurs. So I've always enjoyed exploring

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other people's stories. I'm very curious person. And I just

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love getting to know people and what makes them tick.

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So that was part of the inspiration for starting this

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new podcast, which, which I said has been about a

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year ago.

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So it's, it's crazy to think that 55 weeks of

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publishing a podcast just flies by

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And you do this, it's a weekly show for, so

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you mentioned that the previous one is a bit beyond

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the paired way, right? The, the video show. Yes. Yeah.

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It was a good memory and a, that'd been a

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while. And I think, you know, you'd mentioned yourself, I

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think you'd probably had over a, a, a good, a

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150 200 guests on that show Judy and its duration.

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Yeah. Yeah. That ran for me. I don't remember it

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to two and a half years something around there, but

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you know, it was, yeah, like I said, it's one

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of the things about podcasting is, or just consistently publishing

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any media is once you are going for awhile, you

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sit back for a moment and look, and you're like,

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wow, that's a lot of content. Or how did I

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do that?

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And, and I think if you are certainly a proper

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as possible, so we met as well. You are one

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of the first people that I saw him doing that

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kind of a format, what it was, you know, these

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are like short video snippets of your, like a short

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video interviews with your guests. And so it was kind

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of cool. So when they saw you were doing a

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podcast, obviously I want to check that out and be

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excited to reconnect it. And, you know, you spoke about

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that now, or you mentioned the podcast is been gone

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since November of last year. So just over a one

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year on a varsity to know what's been the biggest

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challenge. And that's been a challenge for example, of a

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switch and say from a video format that you did

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beforehand to a purely an audio format and in a

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direction of the show itself, for example,

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Is a great question. And switching from video to audio,

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actually, wasn't more challenging. It was easier. I have a

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background in both audio and video production. So I'm familiar

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with the editing and in dealing with both mediums. I

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joke, I've talked to people about this at, throughout my

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journey, doing well on the Human. Now I never thought

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that in 2020, I would fall in love with a

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radio. I love doing, you know, what's basically a modern

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day of radio. Umm, so it's, it's been less challenging

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technically to do Audio as opposed to the video. I

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think the more challenging part with the show has been,

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and I'm sure it's true with any show is just

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keep going. Like I'm very much a person who wants

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to be consistent, wants to go all in and wants

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to deliver a high quality production.

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And that means that, you know, I chose to do

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weekly. I've got to keep going. So, you know, when,

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when life happens or when things get busy on one

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area of life during one season, you know, how do

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I keep going? How do I continue this? And not

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because I'm being forced to, but because I want to.

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So, so I think that's been the bigger challenge. It's

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just, you know, as I said, I think with any

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creative project, how do you ensure that you continue? You

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know, especially with podcasts, like I don't remember the stats,

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but apparently most of them don't keep going beyond like

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20 episodes or something or even that.

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Yeah, I think then there's a Apple produced them a

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report last year may be a little out of this

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year. The, to your point, a lot of people drop

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off after have 20 episodes are that aren't go pass

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like a three a month part of the too, you

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know, let yourself we'll be clear or whatever. This is

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kinda weird to think this is all these dad radio

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shows that are like just flying all over the floor

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somewhere out there, you know? And it's, its interesting to

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note that podcasts is podcasts and stuff, you know, almost

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become so like mainstream now that people can, you know,

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pick up a fall in like we have an for

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example to start recording through that. So it's this kind

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of, are you cool to see, Hey, you know, how

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much more available with his to people, I guess even

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though they are dropping off, unfortunately.

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Yeah, yeah. It's like I said, you know, the, beyond

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the headway, the video series, they had a decade ago,

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like I said, calling in a podcast seems odd cause

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we didn't really have that back then. And nowadays, you

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know, you can pretty much talk to probably any generation

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and the at least may have heard of the word

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or understand that it exists. So it's definitely a much

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more mainstream concept than it ever was.

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And I know one of my previous guests, Nick Garrison,

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he'd mentioned the, the 18 month rule and he said

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he plays by where it's only after about 18 months

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of consistency now to your point about, you know, doing

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it weekly, doing at a certain time high quality and

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that you're really started to see the results come on

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in and you really start to see you there, the

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short pay-off of your life.

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Oh boy. Okay. So I've got one, another six or

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nine.

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Okay. What did you see then? That sort of how

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many gestation periods? I'm all good. Yeah,

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I would believe that. I mean, I think a lot

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of it has to do too with your motivation for

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doing the show are, you know, like, and I'm not,

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I'm not trying not to judge anybody, but I've seen

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people out there like, Hey, I want to start a

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podcast. Has anyone have any ideas? And I can totally

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see the angle of like, I want to learn something

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new. I want to just learn about podcast production and

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that's cool. But you know, if it's more of a,

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I want to hop on the bandwagon. I don't know

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if that's the best approach. Like, you know, for me

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personally, starting the podcast was part wanting to sort of

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revive the creative muscles that have been kind of dormant

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within me. Like bringing you back to creativity that I

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have not been in sort of paying attention too for

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a long time.

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And then it was also just a, what I call.

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Over not what I call, but what insurance companies call

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it, qualifying life event. I got divorced and all of

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a sudden, you know, my life shifted. It was all,

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it was all good, but all of a sudden I

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now have more time that I didn't have in my

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life. Right? Like I'm still a father, but you know,

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seeing my kids, some of them the time, not every

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day and not all day, I live by myself. So

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all of a sudden I had this space in my

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life that opened up and combining that with this kind

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of dormant yearning to be creative again, I just one

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day throughout on LinkedIn and I'm like, I'm going to

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start a podcast. And I had no plan on purpose,

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but I did know that I was going to ride

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this wherever it took me.

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And that's still my mission. Like I, I get more

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out of the podcast than probably anybody listening. I mean,

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at the end of the day I do it for

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me and I do want others to learn from it

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because part of my mission is to, you know, when

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I got divorced, I was able to get through it

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from hearing other people's stories. So I want other people

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to be able to learn from whatever I'm talking about

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in the podcast. But I mean, every conversation I have

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with every guest and we're only Human is generally I'm

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walking away. Oh my gosh, I'm so glad I had

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the conversation. You know, it might be some moment they

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have in their life or some way of dealing with

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this situation that I'm now going to try or some

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tips for life.

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And so, you know, like I think about what's your

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motivation behind your podcast. I hope it's something that's selfishly,

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you know, benefiting you because that's what is going to

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keep you going. As, like I said, as a lifelong

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creator, if you're not interested, if I'm not interested in

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what I'm creating, then its really hard to keep creating

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it.

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And then it's so funny. I know I'm on a

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bunch of Reddit boards for a podcast and, and that's

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one of the things that keeps popping up to your

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point to me is the bar or note on how

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to keep it going on. And when you don't really

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feel it anymore. And I think people have maybe answered

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our own question and we have that very free is

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if you don't feel it anymore, you're not going to

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work to do it. And you know, yeah,

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Yeah. I mean, there's been times where I just simply

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wanted to sort of stop, you know what, maybe I'm

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trying to think of an example, but you know, parts

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of life is just, maybe that was my day job

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or whatever it got too, too intense. And it was

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hard to, you know, fit in the podcast that night's

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or whatever. And I would, you know, I would have

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reluctantly hop on a, you know, SquadCast that we are

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now I will do the interview of my guest and

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he would just come alive again. I would have remember

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why I was doing this. I, I, you know, it

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would be an amazing conversation and then Boom, I'd be

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back. Like how did I ever doubt this? Why would

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I ever want to stop? I'm learning so much. So,

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you know, again, if I wasn't in it sort of,

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you know, from that place of like a genuine, I

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want, again, for me, it's a curiosity I want to

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learn.

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And as long as I'm going to keep learning, I'm

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gonna keep doing this and I want to keep it

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wanting to do this. And that is going to hopefully

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be what, you know, what keeps me going to be,

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I guess at least an 18 month milestone,

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We can go to show you. You mentioned, obviously you

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want to learn as much from, you know, your guests

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and for your own benefit as a listener to, and

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I know I'll looking at the Topics that you discussed

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with your guests on a show. It talks about plays

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in peripheral, obviously to the, the, the premise of the

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show about resiliency. If I'd guest talk about sexual assault,

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life change in injuries, through car accidents, a feel business's

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and how to recover from that mental health and more

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so from these conversations and, and knowing your own background

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going in to the podcast. Do you see similar characteristics

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in your guests and, and yourself that kind of instills

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that level of resiliency is, or sorry, or a defining

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characteristic, or do you think,

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Yeah, there's been so many themes that have sort of

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a woven through all of the conversations. One of the

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big ones is one that I'm a fan of. And

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it's this reminder that we constantly need to remind ourselves

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of is that we're all just making this up. As

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we go along, it sort of lends itself sort of

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pairs itself for the imposter syndrome and this idea that

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I can never be good enough. I'm not good enough.

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What I'm doing. Everyone else is better. That comes up

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every time. And I, I deal with that all the

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time and it, we always just kind of end up

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talking about this idea that like, it turns out that

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person that you think has that all figured out, they

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probably don't.

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And they're trying to figure it out just like you

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are. So it's sort of his comfort in this idea

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that like you're not alone. Like we are not alone

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in this. A recent guest I had was Marie, the

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one gram Orrick. And she, she was part of what

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got me through my divorce and the sense that she

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had gotten divorced. She had remarried and the, her and

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her partner had blended their family's. They both had children

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when they became one blended family and she's not working

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on a idea to sort of help other blended families.

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But we were talking about this idea that you know,

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of all the marriages out there at 50% ended up

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getting divorced. That's 50% of the population that no one

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really talks about, like its kind of a taboo conversation

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and its again, going back to that idea of like,

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once you start learning more about it, like again, it's

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50%, we're not alone out there.

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Like we're half the population. So I mean its just

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kind of highlighted as example of whatever you think you

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are going through and you think your alone in doing

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it, every conversation I've ever had and more on the

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Human has taught me that you are not alone. Like

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it really, I can't think of any examples of a

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you're the only one going through you're going through. So

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that kind of why I mentioned earlier of like wanting

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to share stories so that other people can learn from

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it. That's one of my main missions is just like

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literally to tell people you're not alone.

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You mentioned Murray who has her name came up. It

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was as I was catching up with some of the

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episode's and you'd made sure that yourself, that she was

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a key part of when you're going for your divorce

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thing and get over it and her experiences and how

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that helped you. So, so we have such a varied,

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you know, list of your Lake of gas that you've

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been speaking to other than the episodes, LEEP Marty's episode

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kind of stood out for you for any reason. And

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if so, why that particular episode, not that it was

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bad or whatever, not to put, you know, your guests

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get a favorite guests or anything, but is there any

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episodes lead models that kind of stood out for you

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So many? There was this one with this woman, her

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name is Dr. Rita fields. This was probably back in

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the spring of 2020 that it came out, but she

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has this amazing story of just resiliency and just starting

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from nothing and working her way up to define what

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she wanted her life to be. But the one thing

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she shared along the way completely changed my outlook. I'm

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someone who's sort of always feels like I'm trying to

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work towards some big thing in life. Like there was

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some big end game, you know, this is, you know,

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I'm trying to be famous and successful or you know,

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making a lot of money or whatever. And this conference,

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this theme by the way has come up with so

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many other guests, but Rita, she told me about this

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sort of idea of that life can be a series

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of trains that you're on.

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And so they could at any given moment you were

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on a train and that train's purpose has just to

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take you from point a to point B life as

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a series of these. And so at some point you're

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going to get off that train and hop on the

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next one. And there's no real destination in mind is

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just a series of switching from these journeys on these

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trains. And that really resonated with me because that's kind

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of, I think such a much healthier way of looking

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at life. Like its not this one long train ride

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or you're hoping to get to the end. Are you

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hoping that when you get to the end, its whatever

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your, your working for it, but its more of these

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little journeys along the way or whatever you're doing at

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the time, whoever you're, you know you're with. But I

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think about a friend of mine that we don't really

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talk much anymore and it's not like we had a

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falling out.

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We were just kind of like naturally started communicating less.

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And I think about a decade ago, you know, we

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were very close and doing a lot together. And to

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me its like an example of like, you know, maybe

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that trains Over right. Like we were just on that

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train together and it's not good or bad. It just

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is. And now I'm on the next one and he

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might be on a totally separate one. But when she,

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when she kind of brought up that idea, I was

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just like blown away. And I thought about it ever

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since. And I bring it up all the time with

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people. Like I just, I love this idea that like

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a life is a series of trains

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And it's almost like that. That's a really cool, like

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a, an analogy kind of reminds me of a little

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bit of the, the movie Slade in doors and where

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I think is going to Paul tra and I can

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remember who else was on. That was a few people

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like that. And basically a, it was showing the parallel

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story of the lives of people had made a different

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decision. So we would have, you know, when couples have

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stuck together with a job and our views have gone

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good and bad, et cetera, and it just shows you

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how are these lives? You know, I took two different

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paths based on one tiny split decision, you know, like

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a change on a train. For example,

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I have never seen the movie, but it sounds interesting.

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I know that's not something I would have thought I

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would enjoy it. I'm not a fan of a good

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thing because it puts me off of them. But you

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know, it's I watched it because of the male lead,

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who I think is John, I mean, is that Scott

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shocked at John someone? And that shows my level of

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moving knowledge, but now there was a real interest in

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a store and I thought it was really well done.

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How they put it altogether. I've check that out. Yeah,

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no, that's a worthwhile movie for sitting down and may

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not be as good as re as an example, but

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it's, it's that, it's, it's a good thing. Good enough

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at a movie. And obviously, you know, you're, you're sure

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clearly pools from your own experience and the changes made

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to your life. As you mentioned, you had what insurance

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is called, you know that at that event M when

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you got divorced, it was last year, you got divorced

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at 2019.

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Yeah. It was summer beginning of summer of 2019.

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So clearly it, as you mentioned, the changes you made

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to your life and continue to meet. Now, you mentioned

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no that you are still a father or are you

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still have to juggle to get our kids between yourself

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and your wife. And I'm guessing that can be a

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bit more difficult now, the COVID and all those sorts

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of, you know, how you are not allowed to go

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on to your household's let your numbers, et cetera. So

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what, what are some of the things that you've taken

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from your guess and implemented it in your own life

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over this period of transition for you?

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So the biggest thing for me personally has been this

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idea, and this is why I keep going is every

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conversation is a reminder, an inspiration of this idea that

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we can define our own lives. Like this isn't something

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I don't know if you've figured this out and that

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anyone listening has, I did not figure this out. That

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like I am the one who can define my life.

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I think for a long time, I was just kind

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of asleep at the wheel and, you know, sort of

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going through motions that, you know, whether someone else decided

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this was a good path for me, or I believe

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this was a good path for me, or, you know,

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it was Recommended or whatever. But you know, this idea

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now that what I do for a living, what I

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do with my time everyday, what I want to do

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next year, like this is all going to happen based

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on the intention I put forth.

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And this is a, you know, whatever happens and whatever

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definition my life takes is up to me. And that

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is again, just something I never thought about. And now

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every week I talk to people and that's all I

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think about. And again, it's, that's really kinda what I'm

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doing. I don't literally have a notebook anymore. I did

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it the beginning, but like, it's sort of like this

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mental note book of like, Tim define your life and

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heres all these tips for people that are learning every

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week. So maybe a one day I should hold them

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together and put it into a notebook. Thank you. I'm

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the one in one place. Yeah.

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Yeah. So obviously, you know, as you mentioned, we're now

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at 12 months then, or like a year for your

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shot and you put another six to get through this

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whole 18 months rule, but excited about this, that it's

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cool right now that doesn't happen. I'm gonna go back

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to me and ask him what the hell man. Well,

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you know, really, so what would your goal for the

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show as you look to continue it, to, to grow

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and to get up and update them, but not update

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the former, but to continue to define what the show

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is about and, and who it's for? What are your

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goals, you know, for the show and moving forward?

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That's a great question. Cause I have iterated at my

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goal so many times in the past a year, for

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sure. But even in the past six months, I struggled

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for a long time trying to understand what the show

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was about and who it was for. I struggled with

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a long time with trying to understand what was my

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goal in doing this show. Was I trying to do

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this full time? Was I trying to get more downloads

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a month over a month? Like, what was the goal

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where I've kind of arrived is that the goal is

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a way for me to keep learning and be for,

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for my listeners to, to keep learning in order to

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do that, I do want the show to grow in

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terms of like exposure.

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I want the people who are listening, you know, today

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to my show to continue listing and to learn. But

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I also want to continue spreading that the more people

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I can hopefully help them better. And so it's, it's

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sort of been in battle internally with myself, have like,

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how do I know how to go about doing that?

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You know, like I said, I intentionally started the show

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with no plan. I'm the type of person as a

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creator who, as soon as I come up with an

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idea, I'll start figuring out, you know, the best way

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to go about it and make plans as necessary. I

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didn't want to do that with this podcast because I

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didn't want that to a hamper or whatever this thing

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was going to do or lead me toward. And so

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the only thing I did was I did that initial

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post and LinkedIn, just to say, Hey, I'm starting a

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podcast about resiliency.

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I think I had an email sign up for them

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just to see if there is any interest. And I

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hadn't brought a Microphone and I hadn't done anything I'm

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it was just more of a way of saying, Hey

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world, I'm going to do this and now I have

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to do it. And let's see what happens. Like I

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said, it's kinda gotten to the point now or where

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I'm at right now is that I want to continue

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growing it. I do set myself like download goals every

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month just to make sure that I'm trying to achieve

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some sort of momentum. And I've also learned a lot

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about the, the unique value I can provide. You know,

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I think as soon as COVID hit and in the

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spring of 2020, and everyone was grounded and at home,

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I immediately started to chase after, you know, famous people.

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I'm, I'm a such a curious person, but I love

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the Hollywood and the movies and behind the scenes things.

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And I just started chasing after, you know, those people,

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because I thought they were all home now. They can't

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say no, which to some extent was true, but it

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also, you know, when I started to have conversations with

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those people, I didn't necessarily, I didn't always have curiosity,

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curiosity pointing me toward them. Sometimes it was just, Oh,

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if I get a big name on the show, then

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you know, a million people will listen and this will

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be, you know, more popular than it ever was. And

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that's not really the case, right? Like people are not

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coming to my podcasts to listen to a big name

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guests.

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They are coming to my podcasts to listen to my

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unique take on this theme that I've created. And they

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chew, they trust me to, you know, to bring people

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to the table that we'll add value. And it's not

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always a famous person. Right. I've had some pretty well

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known people on the show or at least well known

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to me. And they've been fantastic conversations. Not all of

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them though. So when I think that you asked earlier,

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like what were some conversations that really resonated with me?

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And I remembered some lessons from, you know, those are

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almost a majority of those are going to be from

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people that I was drawn to from curiosity and who

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have an amazing story to tell whether they're famous or

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not fame and a big social media following has nothing

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to do with that.

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And that's a lesson I had just finally learned like

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in the past six months, because its so easy as

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a creator to chase after those, you know, big name

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partners or guests that you think can help grow and

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they can, if you're a strategic about it. But I

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think I lost sight of what I was trying to

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do and what my listeners for tuning in four. And

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it is interesting.

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And as someone, so I, as someone who has been

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around that, that sounded really bad says that the old

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one, it does that enter the Mic here. It is

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someone who has been around with they're beyond the paid,

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we show up like 10 years back or eight, 10

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years back. I know obviously we have the, the new

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podcast. If there was one piece of advice that you

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can give a new podcast.

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Okay. And what would that be? Oh, that's a great

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question. I think my piece of advice would be again,

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to understand what your motivation is for creating the podcast

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and also to understand what your motivation will be to

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continue doing the podcast. Right? So we, we, we said,

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you know, there's so many podcasts stopped after a while

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and its difficult to consistently publish any type of media.

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They all have their challenges, a podcast specifically, you're going

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to have to edit it, right. You're going to have

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to produce it. You know, whether you're doing a spoken

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word podcast for an interview podcast or you are putting

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together a narrative, Stories like this American life, you are

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going to have to put it together and like record

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it and then you will have to edit it.

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So there's a, there's the overhead on that. Right. And

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you have to do it consistently, even if you're doing

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just a season at a time. So my advice is

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truly understand the motivation you have for doing this. Like

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at your core, you know, if someone comes up and

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says, why are you doing this podcast? You should be

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able to confidently say, this is why. And hopefully that

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Y is something that you are truly believe in. It's

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not, Oh, Y you know, I heard sports podcasts are

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big, so I'm going to do a sports podcast, even

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though I don't watch sports and I have no interest

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in sports really understand what that motivation is. And hopefully

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it's something that you truly believe in.

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No, that's good advice. I know there was like one

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of the Facebook groups that someone had posted, what is

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your podcast? Elevator pitch? And there was a boat maybe,

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I don't know, a, a a hundred responses and maybe

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half jumped in and plunk down an elevator pitch in

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there. And then, and about another 20, 30%, what's an

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elevator pitch for why would I need one or two

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to your point? You know, if you can't, there was

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like that golden rule in business. I think if you

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can describe your product and 30 seconds for get it,

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you know, because if you can't succinctly describe it, why

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should others check that out? Right.

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Yeah, exactly. And it's ironic that I'm giving this as,

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by one piece of advice because you should see how

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often I text my friends, asking them, what do you

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think we're only humans about? Like, I'm constantly questioning if

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anyone else understands and not even understands what I think

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the show is about, but like, if they get anything

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out of it, like I'm constantly texting. My friends are

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like, what do you, well, you know, I asked them

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what you just asked me. I'm like, what would it

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be your elevator pitch for where on the human? Like,

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and I'm just kind of like checking in, like, I

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think getting anything out of this and it's amazing, you

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know, responses I get. And so it reassures me that,

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you know, people are resonating with a show, but yeah,

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and also, you know, that's ironic, but it's also like

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I have, as I said over the past year, I've

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really gone up and down around, under, over in terms

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of like trying to figure out in trying to continue

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to hone in with myself with what is my motivation

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behind this and what am I confident in, right?

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Like it's sort of like the, the, the age old,

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the, you know, advice of like find your niche and

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like understand who it is that your community is and

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who you're speaking to. That took me a while because

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I mean, honestly, because my Topics is so broad, but

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then I realized it's not that broad, right? Like I

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was having the conversation with a friend we were texting

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in. They were like, yeah, I think I said something

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about, you know, figuring out what category my, when you

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publish a podcast, you've got to choose what category and

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all of the podcast directories. It goes in and I

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forgot what category they had it in. But they had

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said, you know, I think you're should be in self-improvement

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or a self help. You know, I think its self-improvement

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on Apple podcasts, but that whole idea of like self

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help, self improvement.

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And I was like, Oh, that's so funny. Cause I

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think that too, and I've been reluctant to put it

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in there. 'cause like everyone, you know, self help books

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sort of has this negative connotation. And he was like,

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no, like you should be proud. And I'm like, you're

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right. Like I should just redefine self help is, you

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know, we'd be proud of that. My podcast is about

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that. And who cares if anyone, you know, thinks self

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help books or shitty, like this is what I'm going

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to redefine it and put a good name on it.

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And so it's again, like I had to reconnect with

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like, what is my motivation? Well, my motivation is self

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help. Like I literally started this podcast because I needed

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to help myself. And I ran out to get others,

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to help me to And, you know, from their career

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and to like lets help others, you know, from me

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helping me or others helping me.

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And so yeah, why wouldn't I put it in the

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self-help, you know, podcast category, but the fact that I

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was even questioning that, that sort of, you know, like

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it was a truly understanding my motivation

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And it goes back at that ties back to your

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point out a bit about the whole imposter syndrome, you

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know what it is, just making it up as we

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go along or not, you know, w we don't all

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have a lot going on or whatever. And I think

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to your point now, so that's, that's such a big

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stumbling block for a lot of people to get over.

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You know, that, that whole imposter, I'm not good enough.

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I've I shouldn't be in this category of all these

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other people or whatever. They listen to her or look

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up to you, et cetera.

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Oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean, and I'm sure we

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all have different levels of it. I'm very susceptible to

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it and all the mediums that I create on it.

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So with this podcast, I mean, I mean, let's be

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honest when I first heard of your podcast and he,

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I ran over right away. I'm like, how many reviews

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does he have? How many episodes does he have? What,

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what are the reviews say? How many stars is he

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at? You know, because I'm constantly like, you know, this

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as someone who I respect and who creates good things.

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And like, as he is, he, you know, hit and

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out of the park and he is, how do, how

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do I do at like, Danny's doing it, you know?

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And again, like, it's that idea of focusing on link?

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What are you good at? What's the motivation behind your

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ears? Who are you creating this for? And that may

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not align, or, you know, you might have a totally

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different audience than I do.

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You know, that, that people may be listening to both

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their podcasts for different reasons. And that is awesome. And

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so, yeah, impostor syndrome, there's a whole episode of war

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on the Human with Amber Naslund. When we talk about

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that at a ton, because she, you know, is a

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big struggler with that too. And I really think we

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all are, but she has kind of really focused on

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it in the past. A couple of years wrote a

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lot of articles about it and just sort of explore

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the idea more. So we talk about it a lot,

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but it's honestly, it's come up in a majority of

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the conversations that I have with people. And that's the

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funny part, right? Is it like I intentionally, as I

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mentioned earlier, I'm a very curious person. I love to

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talk to people of all walks of life.

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And so we're on the Human futures, people from, you

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know, stunt women to musicians, to entrepreneurs, to, you know,

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people who quit their corporate jobs to, you know, fathers

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and mothers and it's, you know, people of all walks

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of life there's value in understanding what it is you're

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creating and who it is you're creating for. Like, even

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though I'm, I have this broad topic of resiliency and,

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and really as my friend, always, when I asked him,

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what do you think more on the Human is he

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says its about the human struggle. And I'm like, Oh,

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you know, kinda is even though that's kind of broad.

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And even though I talk to people intentionally, cause I'm

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curious from all walks of life, I think today, you

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know, everyday now I finally have a better picture of

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what it is I'm creating, you know, who it is

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I'm speaking to and who it is I'm interested at

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and what their hopefully getting out of that.

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But I still, you know, from imposter syndrome, I know

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I'm better today, but I still, there are moments where

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I still am always comparing myself to other podcasters. You

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know, I'm looking at it like, you know, where are

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they doing? Well, I mean, yeah, it's, I don't know

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if its something you ever completely solved

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Now, obviously you just show up, you just mentioned that

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you have, you've got the one overarching topic, but you

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have people from all walks of life coming up and

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sharing our stories and all of a sudden they are

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stories of helping inspired others. When you mentioned a little

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and Marie that helped you know, your yourself or your

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situation, what was that in mind and people that are,

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that you've looked up too over the years and learned

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from who you see your biggest hero is and why

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that person, I don't mean to be more than one

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person.

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Oh, that's a fun question. I don't know if I

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have one hero. I mean, as cliche as it sounds

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like every person I've interviewed for Only, Human honestly, as

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my heroes, like, you know, going back to like, what

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was my motivation? My motivation was I just got divorced.

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I'm going through a giant life change. It's hard. I

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think I'm doing it well, but its hard. And you

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know, I basically started finding these people and I'm like,

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Hey, you went through a big life change. How did

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you get through it? How are you strong enough? How

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can I be strong? And that's just became like, that's

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what I'm going to do every week. I'm just going

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to find people who I'm very curious about and understand

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like how did you get through what you got through

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or you know, just daily life.

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How do you survive daily life, life, life is hard

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this month. How are you surviving it? And yeah, I

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mean that to me, like they're all heroes in my

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eyes because they've taught me something about how to, you

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know, continue being resilience and the continued being strong for,

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you know, the next challenge that life throws at us.

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You know, we are recording this and in fall 2020,

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the big COVID pandemic, you know, which is oddly United

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us across the world. Like there's no human on this

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planet that isn't an by it. So, you know, I,

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I think resiliency is something that, you know, we all

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at this moment are probably thinking about like how do

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we continue to be strong to make it through or

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whenever this thing ends. But yeah, I think that's a

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great question.

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But I basically say is that sounds, I really do

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think every guest I've ever had in the show and

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will continue to have, you know, we are going to

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be heroes of mine now,

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And then that makes perfect sense is not cliched whatsoever.

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So this is a Tim, this has been an absolute

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blast. I've really enjoyed chatting with you today for people

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that want to find out more about the show and

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learned a boat in our land, our stories are the

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people we have spoken to and And catch up in.

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And really, I mean, I've been enjoying catch up on

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the different tails from the episodes I have listened to

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so far. I think I've got about another six batched

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up, ready to go up. So for us, for anybody

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that wants to listen to your show, find out more

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about the, you know, the, we were on the Human

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podcast in that project and what that entails, where is

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the best PR people, where is the best place that

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they can find you online to Connect with?

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You can hit up, but we're only human podcast.com and

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that will lead you to all of the podcast directories.

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But of course you can just find we're only human.

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It's a big, bright orange, a cover on Apple podcast,

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Spotify, Google, all of those on Instagram. We are only

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human podcasts also on Twitter, the w O H podcasts.

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But yeah, we're on the Human podcast.com was probably the

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easiest place to find out.

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Yeah. Ask them and I'll make sure you have to

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drop the AU the links through that in the show

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notes of your listening on your favorite app and makes

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sure you check the show notes or it was usual.

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So you can link through to a Tim site and

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check out more about the podcast. So as an adult

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size, Tim we really appreciate you going on today and

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I have a real enjoy to chat with you too.

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Thank you.

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Yeah. Thank you for having me. I love it. Keep

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up with the good stories. Its fun to hear about

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other people creating out there.

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