In this episode, Danny Brown interviews David Medus, the founder of Medus Media and host of the "Fun Fact Friday with Leila and David" podcast. David shares his background in podcasting and his passion for creating audio content. He discusses his other podcast, "MedusPod," an audio fiction anthology series featuring sci-fi, fantasy, and horror stories.

David also talks about his experience with live streaming and the challenges and benefits of producing live shows. He shares the story of a dart accident from his childhood and how it shaped his perspective on life. Throughout the conversation, David emphasizes the importance of community and engagement in podcasting.

Notable Quotes:

"The live experience is a whole different experience. It feels more like you're part of a community." - David Medus

"We don't make a really detailed list of facts. We kind of just leave the websites open. So as we're reading them, it's the first time we've read them a lot of the times." - David Medus

"I want to do a live show, like the old live radio dramas of yesteryear. With the technology now, it's possible and doable." - David Medus

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• Fun Fact Friday with Leila and David
• MedusPod
• Medus Media

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Hi, I'm Danny Brown, and welcome to My Other Podcast Is, the show that brings you podcasters from around the world to talk about their other podcast, the one that's completely different from their main show. If you enjoy the show, I'd love for you to leave a review on your favourite podcast app or over at myotherpodcast.com/review. And please feel free to share with anyone that would enjoy the show too. I'd be super grateful. And now this week's episode. Today I'm joined by David Medusfrom North Carolina in the US. David is the founder of Medus Media and has many shows and productions under his belt. David's main podcast is Fun Fact Friday with Leila and David, which is a show I really enjoy, and we'll talk about shortly. His other podcast is, well, we'll talk about that shortly, too. But first, David, welcome to My Other Podcast Is.

Hey, how you doing, Danny?

I'm very good. I do like the branded baseball cap you've got on there.

Yeah, I was in Las Vegas for my 40th birthday, and I went to a hat shop because I am super bald and the sun was beating down as it does in Vegas. And I was like, I need to cover this thing. And the girl at the hat shop was like, we're doing free embroidering. What do you want on there? And I was like, oh. So I just ended up getting my name.

That's awesome. It looks very cool. I like it. I'll have to do some of that for my own stuff, but I like it. And yeah, I've got a shaved head as you can see. So I'm there 100% with you when it comes to heat and sunstroke, etcetera. So, as I mentioned in the intro, you're the founder of Medus Media, and as well as podcasts and your umbrella, you also have Medus Live, which is a 24/7 Internet radio station. So is your background in radio, or is this more something you wanted to experiment with along with other audio stuff?

No, I just. I enjoyed. I started listening to podcasts right around. I mean, like, when we were getting started and I tried. I was like, I want to give that a go. And I've never had any formal training in pretty much anything. Uh, but I see these things happening. I'm like, I think I could probably try that, or I want to do that and I do it. Uh, I made Medus Live, uh, which just has creative commons music playing 24/7 most of it is, um, instrumental only. I made that for myself because I need that kind of music going in the background when I'm doing things, I can't. I can't have, like, a lot of singing because it distracts me. So that was pretty much just, I wanted to see how to run an online radio station, figured out a way to do it, and I was like, oh, hey, you know, when I'm not live, doing a show or something, I can just have music going.

And how do you find that? Like, obviously it's not quite... well, I guess it's live streaming, though. So how do you find a live radio station compared to podcasting, where obviously you record and then you do any post production afterwards? If you do that, do you find there's like a preference for either or, or is about the same?

It depends on the show. I do like listening to live, especially if I can join somehow, like in the chat, if there's a chat room or if you can call in, you know, a lot of places you can call in, talk to the host, and the live is. It's just a whole different experience. There's some show, so, excuse me, some shows that if. If I don't catch it live, I'm not going to listen to the recorded version of the podcast.

Right.

It's just the whole experience is being there in it, like in the chat room, talking to the host while they're doing their thing. Some things you want to just listen to at your own pace. And some of it feels more like you're part of a community with the live than the recorded.

And it's interesting. You mentioned about not wanting to listen back to the recorded version post live. I know there's like a live podcasting show that I try and catch on on every Saturday morning. That's really good. It's like two podcasters and given advice on various topics and questions have been sent in. And obviously you've got the live chat, etcetera. And I feel that's really well suited for dynamic questions based on what the guests and the hosts are talking about, whereas afterwards, you might not want to check through the live comments that happened at the time, etcetera. Is there any kind of shows that you feel are really better suited for live versus post live published?

Exactly what you're just talking about. If there is an audience participation model built into the show, then unless it's like a Dear Abbie type thing, you know, you email in a question, things like that. Bandrew Scott does, does listener questions on his show. You can go and ask him anything about. He specialises in microphones, so you can ask any microphone question you want and he'll get to it next time, you know. But when you have the audience participation built into the core of the show, there's one show that I listen to where he kind of just rambles on whatever's going on that week and then he always has his phone lines open, so like the phone will just randomly ring and he'll stop what he's talking about, pick it up and start talking to the person about a completely different subject or the same subject. You have to have a certain kind of host to be able to pull that off, though. You got to have somebody who's real good at improv, good conversationalist, that sort of thing. I'll call in sometimes to the show and just kind of try and throw them as off base as I can.

Throw them like a curveball.

Right, right. Act like I'm misunderstanding what he's saying, you know?

Yeah, no, no, I hear you. It's like the audience participation for live shows, it just makes it so much better.

We've done live with Fun Fact Friday. We would do live every week because we don't edit the show unless something serious happens, but it's neither here nor there. We liked the live, but we can't be consistent enough with it. And when people hear the live show is going to be on, they want, okay, well, Thursday at seven, this is what I'm going to be doing. It can't be like, oh, we're going live in an hour. You know, it's got to be more consistent when you're live. And that just doesn't work with a 13 year old girl who's got band practise and, you know, things like that.

So I hear you. And speaking of Fun Fact Friday with Leila and David, which you co host with your daughter, whose idea was it to team up and start a podcast? And where did the idea for the, the premise of the show come from?

The year was no, twenty nineteen. I had the year nineteen in my head. It was twenty nineteen, the end of it. And we were, I was driving her to school on a Friday and I was like, what's a fun fact you learned this week at school? And she told me something she learned that was interesting to her. And I told her a fun fact that I had learned on the Internet, you know, doom scrolling through Twitter or whatever I was doing. And then I was like, hey, we both had fun facts and it's fun fact Friday. And we were just, yeah, haha, you know, because she's, yeah, ten years old, I guess nine at the time. And then that became an every week thing. Every Friday, when I was either taking her to school or picking her up from school, we would have kind of have the same conversation. And I was like, we should do that. We should do this as a podcast. Let's just do, like, a two minute podcast, you know, about doing short podcasts. Let's just do a two minute podcast intro, one fun fact each, and then outro. That's it. Just do that. Just that every week. And then we were like, well, the first episode, we have to explain what it is. So that an episode ended up being ten minutes or so long and then fifteen minutes and then twenty minutes, and then one of a very, very, very large podcast featured our show, like a three minute clip from it. They're like, this is a cute show, you know, if you're looking for a new podcast. And it blew up and we started getting support from listeners and, you know, it really.

We were.

We guessed we were probably gonna have, like, five episodes just as a fun thing to do together, you know, and then it just started snowballing and snowballing into what it is. And it's. We've got a really, really great following, a great community built up around us, lots of help from outside, and it all just kind of naturally formed over, you know, over the course of the last four years. It's just kind of grown and grown.

Yeah. And I've been listening to the show since the turn of the year, and I gotta say, I mean, it lives up to the premise of fun facts, for sure. So obviously you've got them. You've got fun facts that cover cosplay, which was obviously one of Leila, as you mentioned, it was one of Leila's favourites. How I heard of cows in England saved a baby seal, which I was just blown away. How do you find these facts that you share on the show?

We literally, when she gets home from school, on whatever day we've decided to record, I'm like, hey, what are we doing? And she'll say, trees. So we both plop down in our computers, either out here in the studio or in the house. We'll get on our phones while we're eating dinner, and we'll look up, literally, we'll just type in interesting facts about trees or facts you didn't know about trees, or things like that. We'll pull down five or six links, throw it into one note, and then we'll get out to the studio maybe twenty minutes before we start, and we'll just go through those links and skim through. And this is, this is part of the, the fun of the show is that we don't make a really detailed list of facts. We kind of just leave the websites open. So as we're reading them, it's the first time we've read them a lot of the times.

Right.

Which makes for some great conversations because I will say that it's estimated that there's five thousand species of fir tree and I made that up just now. And then she'll be like, well, this website says three thousand. And we'll get, and then we'll deep dive into, you know, which facts where, where were they getting information? And we kind of roll it into the, if you have information about this, you know, shoot us a message. So it becomes part of the content that the facts on the Internet contradict each other.

Right.

We really only do, unless we're doing like a really deep dive into something, we do maybe fifteen to twenty minutes of show prep and then record the episode and the improv and the finding mistakes is part of the fun. And we even turned some of our mistakes into merch, so.

Oh, cool. So instead of like bonus content, you've now got merch around the, the bloopers, et cetera.

Right? Like Leila said cod pastor instead of podcaster one time. And that's an, I'll just right a fish with a, you know, a priest collar on, talking into a microphone. And then boom, we got an artist. They did it for us. And now we've got that as merch on our store.

That's very, I'll have to check that out. That sounds like something I'd definitely wear, like the little cod pastor thing. Now you mentioned, obviously the show, it's primarily yourself and Leila, but you do have occasional guests on there. And I'm wondering if there's like one guest or a couple of guests that have brought a fact with them that you've been thinking, no way is this true until, you know. So you, you look into it.

Oh, wow. Um, the, I think probably the one about chicken eggs. We did an episode with Mimi Smith Dvorak, who wrote the book Too Many Eggs. It's a eight hundred and fifty page book about eggs. It's got a lot of recipes. There might be seven hundred and fifty with eight hundred recipes. Anyway, a lot of egg talk. Uh, we did an hour and a half episode with her and then we talked for another hour and a half on the live stream afterwards. So she had a lot of stuff to talk about. And she said that the chickens, the colour of their ears determines the colour of the eggs they're going to lay. So if you look at the side of a chicken's head, you can tell what colour the eggs they're going to lay are going to be. And I was like, no, you're full of it, Mimi.

But no, I didn't even know chickens. I mean, obviously chickens must have ears, but you, you don't see that they don't look external, right? I'm guessing they're sort of.

But if they did, that would be hilarious. Can you imagine a chicken with ears shirt right there? Boom.

Right, exactly. Now you have to come up with a fun fact that you get wrong just to get this, like, this t shirt with the, the chicken with the ears on it. That'd be all we now weirded out just by thinking of that image. Now, obviously, your show is about fun facts, and that's your main podcast. You do have another one. Before we talk about that other podcast, though, you shared a fun fact about yourself. Well, fun, maybe not so much for yourself. And that involved a dart. What happened there?

Well, okay, so when I was five ish, you know, it was a million years ago, so I don't remember the exact age. My brother and I were in the backyard out in West Texas, and we didn't, we didn't have a lot of money growing up, so we had to make our entertainment. So we went out in the backyard and my brother had some, some darts, like metal darts that, you know, you throw in dartboard, but we didn't have a dartboard, and there were no trees because we were in West Texas. It's desert. We were like, well, what are we going to do? It's like. So we drew a target on the ground and we threw the darts up in the air like lawn darts, not even thinking that this could end badly because I'm five and he's seven or eight. So we just start chucking these darts up in the air. Just chucking them up in the air. Chucking them up in the air, trying to hit the target. Well, one of the darts is coming straight down, and I look up and I'm like, oh, no, that, that might, that might hit. Boom. Okay, so the dart. I've got video. Like, I always have to tell this with audio, so I have to describe it more. I will still, because I know some people are only listening on audio. The dart went into my eye socket, and the dart went in between the eyeball and the bone, like the, the part of my skull for the eye, like, so it went right in here. And then the weight of the part that you hold, the handle part of the dart. I don't know if that has a more technical name, but it pivoted because of gravity, pushing the pointy part of the dart up and making my eyeball kind of pop a little bit forward, which was really, you know, freaky looking, apparently. I never saw it.

Probably good thing.

So I run inside with a dart hanging out of my face and my mother starts screaming, you know. Oh no. So my dad walks up and he's like, hmm. And grabs the dart and just goes, plunk. And pops it out.

So, yeah, that was behind your. Almost behind your eyeball. And he still pops it out.

He just, he just slid. Just slid it right out. And then. So we go. We go to the doctor, you know, and the doctor says, he goes, does the full workup and everything and cheques it all out. And he's like, if that dart had gone in at a ten degree different angle, if it had been two millimetres one way or the other, it could have, you know, I wouldn't have an eyeball anymore.

Oh my.

It landed in the exact perfect, perfect position. My head was in the right position. It was like. It was planned by your brother.

I'm going to get it right here.

He's really good at lawn darts. Now I will say, kids, do not try this at home.

No. And especially with lawn darts at least it was like dart darts. If you like. Like dartboard darts. Like lawn darts are crazy big.

Yeah, that would have. That would have hit my eye. Even if it went in the right angle, that would have been bad. But, yeah, I still remember that very vividly, even though it was, you know, thirty six years ago. Thirty five years ago, whatever the age was.

Oh, well, on that topic, so moving from fun facts on eyeballs and darts and everything, as I mentioned, your other show is called Medus Pod - sorry, your show is your very first podcast, and that's called Medus Pod. And I believe it's ten years old. You actually started that in twenty fourteen. So i'll be ten years old this year. So what is Medus Pod? How did that come about?

Medus Pod is an audio fiction anthology series. Almost always do Sci-Fi fantasy or horror stories, something with a fantastical element. But occasionally, if a story is good enough that doesn't have a fantastic element, we'll do that. It's performed or read by amateur to professional voice actors, depending on the, the tone I'm going for. Sometimes there's sound effects, sometimes there's music, sometimes there's not. Sometimes the story doesn't call for it or it's better without it. So I got into that. I was listening to a lot of audio drama podcasts back in twenty fifteen, twenty twelve through twenty fourteen in that time period. And I was like, I want to. I want to do a voice on one of these because people tell me I have a good voice, right? And I can do a lot of accents and I can, you know, do that, do all that stuff. And I was like, I want to give this a go, right? So I contacted a couple of those audio dramas, and nobody ever got back with me. Or they were full up. They already had all the actors they needed. They didn't want it. They're like, yeah, we're done with the casting part. That was. That was a headache in its own right. So I was like, well, I looked into, how do you make. How do you make a podcast? Oh, it's just an RSS feed and an mp3 file. Well, heck, I can do that. So I got my Xbox Three Sixty microphone, the one that comes with Rock Band, and I made a wire coat hanger mount for it and wrapped it around my neck to hold the microphone in front of my face because I needed my hands free to, you know, like, go through. Scroll through on the laptop and read the story that I was doing. And I found Audacity, which is a free, you know, audio editor. And I was like, I can do this. So I found some authors who I liked our stories online, just short stories, and asked them, hey, can I make this into a podcast? They were like, sure. So I got it in writing that I could turn it into audio. I was like, you still own it. I don't want rights to anything. I just want to do this. And I made an episode, and I had a really good time doing it. Met some nice people, and I was like, oh, this is fun. So I just continued from there. And it's kind of. It took off a little bit, but I've had to do, it's a passion project. So I don't. It's not real consistent. I'm making it more consistent this year. Like, I've already got two episodes out this year, and I've got, like, three in the pipe right, right now waiting on files from voice actors, things like that. So it just kind of. It took a long break when we moved because I had to tear down my studio and all of that. But I'm trying to get back into it. I'm trying to get real consistent with it. Cause I really do enjoy the. Creating the soundscapes and getting the voice actor files together and, you know, just kind of making the whole production of it.

And you mentioned getting everything together, and obviously soundscapes, and you decide what episode might need extra audio, sound effect, music, etcetera. I gotta say that, I mean, the show is really well produced. You can tell a lot of work and effort and love goes into it in every episode. And I'm curious, with you having voiceover actors and yourself involved in all the sound effects and production that goes into it. And you mentioned it's obviously a passion project that you want to do more of this year. How long does an average episode take to create? Obviously, it's very different from the show that you do with Leila. So how long does an average episode take to create for this one?

For folks who don't do podcasts, we don't edit Fun Fact Friday. So I can. From when we sit down and start looking up facts, that's fifteen minutes. We do a thirty to forty five minutes show, and then fifteen minutes to get everything together, and it's out the door. So we're like an hour, hour, and twenty minutes in a week. Right. Medus Pod, um, it varies depending on the story, because if the story has a single voice actor, like, if. Let's just say I'm just reading a story like I did To Build a Fire, and it was just me reading the story. There was no sound effects, minimal music, just like a little at the beginning and end. That episode took, you know, the. The amount of time it takes to record, and then maybe forty five minutes of editing, you know, easy for an hour episode. Then there's things like A Christmas Carol, which I did a couple years ago. That was nineteen voice actors from five different countries, and all of them are recording on different equipment in different rooms at different times. None of them had each other's voices to play off of. I had to take all of that, make them sound like they were in the same room together, fix any glaringly bad audio issues. Long story short, that episode was about fifty minutes long, give or take. And I had seventy four tracks of audio in my editor and nineteen voice actors. Endless effects to make everything work right. And plugins and things like that. That one took me, I want to say, start to finish. Now that's casting, collecting files, chasing people down because they haven't gotten their files to me, and I want to get it out before Christmas. All in all, about sixty hours, right? That's from deciding I want to do it to pressing upload sixty hours. The actual editing, once I had all the files together, was probably about fifteen to twenty hours. But that also includes going out and finding public domain music. And I tried to go for things that were extremely old recordings of Christmas carols, put it in that time period, and then finding the sound effects that I could use legally. And, you know, I always have to make sure that I'm doing everything above board with copyright since I self host. There's no such thing as a copyright strike. I just get sued.

Yeah, exactly. But I got to say, I mean, that's testament to a) your production skills and b) your man management skills and the voice actors involved, because I listened to that episode. I love Christmas Carol. And when I saw that episode on your list, I thought, oh, I'm going to cheqck this out. And it does. It draws you in and you can't tell that. I honestly believed that people were in the same studio record and then maybe you got the different characters coming in on one day and other characters coming in on another day to record their pieces. You can't tell. So kudos for. For that. And to hear that was put together in that timeframe as well. I'd be on that for like six months, probably trying to get all that stuff together.

I want to say I did it in three weeks. If I wasn't at work or sleeping, I was working on the show.

But that's why it's a passion project, right. When you. When you love something, you really allocate that time to it and really want to make it shine.

Right. And I appreciate you saying you enjoyed it.

That's definitely. And I'd recommend anybody to cheqck out the show for sure. And audio fiction lovers now on. On the Leila. On the show you do with Leila, you mentioned that you maybe dabbled with some live stuff, but it's not really there. The format for it with the show. Have you ever considered doing like a live stream with actor reads either over a Streamyard or a remote platform for actors? Like A Christmas Carol? Maybe not so much that production, but a production that might suit a real good live stream and make a special event for the show?

That is in my... Okay, I'm gonna sound all. I'm gonna sound like I like, I'm organised and I plan things. That's in our, in our roadmap for this. For this year. I want to do that. And I now I did. Speaking of A Christmas Carol, I played the narrator at our local theatre troupes version of A Christmas Carol this past year. Leila was also in it. We had a good time with that and we you know, got to meet a lot of local actors. And I was like, hey, if any y'all want to, you know, be a voice actor, let me know, because I don't have anybody local. Everybody I have is, you know, Internet people. So now I have some local actors, and I was. It's in. It's in the cards. We're going to get a live show done, like the old live radio dramas, you know, of yesteryear. And I'm actually thinking about trying to find some old radio drama scripts that are in the public domain now or. Yeah, yeah, they would have to be in public domain. The copyrights expired. Nobody's claiming it, that sort of thing. And I believe I know where I can get some. I think I bookmarked it on one of my computers, and I'm thinking about doing some live. And with the technology the way it is now that, you know, you can have almost lossless conversations across the Internet, it's. It's possible, and it's doable. And I've gotten really good with live adding sound effects and. And things like that. Things like the Rodecaster Pro make it really easy. It just all just kind of works. You know, I make my. Put my pads, and I can have my sound effects ready to go. I did a live episode of Medus Pod at a local pub, but I had my laptop, a mixer, an interface, a MIDI controller. I had all this equipment like this all wired together, and there's wires running everywhere. It was a mess. Now I would just take the Rodecaster and my mic, you know?

Yeah, exactly. Crazy good piece of kit, for sure, really is. And would that be so, would that be just like a live stream audio wise, or would you want to put maybe some video live streaming to, you know, to your YouTube or something like that?

Or, um, maybe video. I am. I am on the fence about a lot of. A lot of video streaming. We did video streaming for Fun Fact Friday. We did about twenty episodes or so. And the amount of extra work it is to do, the video wasn't showing up in the benefit part of it for us.

Right.

Our core audience is audio only, and we were like, we're not really seeing the benefit of this. And it's a lot of extra work. If I do something with Medus Pod live, if we do video, it will. It may go out to streaming services, YouTube, Twitch, I don't know where the other ones Rumble and, you know, all of them. Um, but I would want it to be on my terms. Uh, when we did our video, we actually ran a video streaming service. So you would go to FunFactFriday.com to watch the video and we simul, streamed to Twitch. But we always tell people to go to our website not to twitch slash, you know, because we want, if Twitch goes away, you know, we, you don't know. You don't know if what's going to go away. You don't know if you, we don't want to lose everybody. We want everybody to know, oh, hey, they're not on YouTube anymore, but you know what? They're on FunFactFriday.com and they can always come to that and find us.

Yeah.

So always want to make sure we have like, you know, control of our, of our stuff.

No, and that makes sense. I mean, we've seen podcast apps disappear over the last twelve months. Like Google Podcasts is closing this year. Stitcher closed last year, one of the most popular around. So yeah, it makes total sense. And as you say, you control the environment as well. So if something does go wrong, at least it's your environment you've got more control over. Okay, this is how we can quick, do a quick patch, quick fix or whatever.

Right, right. I like that. A lot of the Podcasting 2.0 features that are coming out are about being, you can be completely independent. You don't have to depend on large platforms because there's also, there's so many of them now that people are kind of starting to fall back to, well, you know what, I don't know which one I should hang my hat on, so I'm just going to make my own. And just also let those other sites grab a copy of things whenever, whenever they come out, because there's so many and they're, they're, they've, they raise up and then they fall and then they, you know, you don't know which one's going to get shut down next week or bought out by somebody else and recon. And it's good to just have your own stuff. We self host. We try and keep everything within our realm where we can put our fingers on it.

And that makes sense. I know a lot of people don't like Spotify for various reasons. So if you direct them to Spotify, you're going to miss out listeners because they don't want to use the platform. So it makes complete, one hundred percent sense. Now, there's a question that I do like to ask guests each episode, and that is obviously you've got a few podcasts under your belt, you've got the live one, etcetera. But if there's one podcast by someone else that you would have loved to have come up with the idea for. What podcast is that and why that podcast?

Oh, wow, that's tough. Who Are These Podcasts? I don't listen to it often, but I like the premise. I have a little bit of a mean streak. I kind of like, like to pick on people a little bit. I don't because it's just not the right thing to do. But there's always the thoughts in my head, like, when I listen to a really badly produced show where you can tell they're just not trying. Like, if you can tell they're trying and it's not great, it's one thing, but you can tell there's some shows. But the premise of the show is basically they get recommended, hey, why don't you roast this podcast? So they'll listen to a couple episodes, pull clips, and then roast the show. I think that that's a really, but here's the thing, though. No publicity is bad publicity. People beg them to roast their show, right? They're like, oh, roast my show. Roast my. Because they've got such a huge audience that they will get a big bump in listeners and a lot of them will stick around after that show comes out. So they have a wealth of content. They just have a full inbox of, you know, they just go listen to these podcasts. It's a good premise. I like it. And then a lot of the other ones I listen to are audio dramas. So there's, there's that, and I kind of do that already, so.

And for Who Are These Podcasts, do they only take submissions by the podcaster themselves, or is it listeners submitting shows that they listen to, too?

I'm not sure how they do it now. And honestly, I haven't listened in a while. So if you go listen to the show and they're like, they've gone off the deep end. Don't blame me. But the premise of the show is what I'm talking about. I'm not sure I want to say that. Sometimes they'll find, they may just go out and find them. When I started listening a really long time ago, they would just go out and find podcasts. They would just scroll through and pick a random one and, and pick on it. But then after they started getting bigger, I'm sure they're just, they have a whole list of them that they could go through. But it's a fun premise. It's kind of mean. But like I said, I've got a little bit of a mean streak and I don't get to scratch that itch. So it's fun to listen to other people do it.

So the guilty pleasure for your like sadistic part, are you a little bit less right?

I'm a nice guy, I really am. But at thoughts, you know, those intrusive thoughts.

So David, this has been an absolute blast to have you on and hearing about your eye, obviously, and your plans for your current podcast, etcetera. For everybody that wants to a check out your Fun Fact show or the Medus Pod, or all the other cool stuff that you're doing, and get updates for the live show that you might be doing, you know, later this year, where's the best place to connect with you? Check out your podcast, etcetera.

If you just go to MedusMedia.com, it's me dus media.com. Both of my feeds pop up there and there's links to all my stuff if you want to just check out Fun Fact Friday real easy FunFactFriday.com and Medus Pod, M e d u s P o d it's Medusa without the a so yeah, and easy to get a hold of me. I'm one of the only, I'm pretty much the only meat us online that's really doing anything.

So and we'll look out for the hat maybe easier to spot. And I'll be sure to leave all the links to the sites in either the description if you're watching on YouTube or your show notes if you listen on your favourite podcast app. So again, David, I really appreciate you coming on the show today.

Well, thanks for inviting me. Have a good time.

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