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9 - The Butter Shed
Episode 9 • 7th June 2022 • Parts Department • Justin Brouillette & Jem Freeman
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Jem tells how Like Butter's Workshop was built, their sustainable efforts like solar-power and sawdust composting. Justin's Prusa is down and Nack Wall is being batched.

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  • Nack Wall Boxes
  • Glass is cheaper than acrylic?
  • Prepping for Photoshoot
  • LB's Solar-Powered Workshop
  • Composting Sawdust Study
  • Solar Panels - 33kw
  • Makita Robot Vacuum
  • Makers Space for Old Guys - "Men's Shed"
  • LB - Rolling Roster of Tasks (Airtable) Specifics are only way to get something done
  • Pencil Sharpener - Double Ender!

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HOSTS

Jem Freeman

Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia

Like Butter | Instagram | More Links

Justin Brouillette

Portland, Oregon, USA

PDX CNC | Instagram | More Links

Transcripts

Justin:

These guys are just dumping their trash outside their shop, you know?

Justin:

Now I'm thinking about taking it home and, you're basically hoarding trash.

Justin:

You know, like this is mine, I'm taking this with me.

Jem:

It's freezing here this morning.

Justin:

Like

Jem:

Wow.

Jem:

Fahrenheit minus one.

Justin:

Oh, really?

Justin:

It's that

Jem:

Hey Siri.

Jem:

Hey Siri.

Jem:

What's minus one in Fahrenheit.

Jem:

Yes, please.

Jem:

Yes, you're going to get there faster.

Justin:

30 degrees Fahrenheit.

Jem:

30.

Jem:

Okay, cool.

Justin:

cold.

Justin:

I think here the opposite season as we are, right?

Jem:

Yeah, yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

We're getting into warm temperatures.

Justin:

We have shorts weather going on.

Jem:

Does it snow where you are in winter.

Justin:

Not much.

Jem:

Okay.

Justin:

Every once in a while, and then it's a giant problem because

Justin:

there's no like facilities for it.

Jem:

Right.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Okay.

Jem:

Does that mean you don't have hating in your shop?

Justin:

We only have heating.

Justin:

It gets cold, but not like most of the year we don't need it.

Justin:

My arm's going up on its own today.

Justin:

There we go.

Jem:

I've been very slowly working out the window management on the Mac.

Jem:

What had been one of the most confusing adjustments.

Jem:

So just like getting stuffed, innately split-screen I worked out

Jem:

the trick yesterday, but like I just windows everywhere in the workspaces

Jem:

and I keep losing the stuff that I've got open and swiping madly.

Jem:

I find what I need.

Justin:

Especially if you have like a customized rhino set up or

Justin:

something where you put certain windows in a different screen, or

Jem:

Oh,

Jem:

I haven't played with that.

Justin:

I've never really done that, but I know people that do

Jem:

did I spy some batch production

Justin:

Oh, we started is really making enough parts so we can do

Justin:

it decent photo-shoot and be able to have, we always just make like a

Justin:

prototype basically of each thing when we're like testing different aspects.

Justin:

This time it was like, let's make three or four of this part and then that, for the

Justin:

first time it really looked like there, like my brain kept going, oh, we sold some

Justin:

there's no way.

Jem:

That's what it looked like.

Jem:

Cause I often watch stories with no sound on my

Jem:

phone.

Jem:

And so I still was like, yeah, it's beautiful lineup of what is that?

Jem:

The cabinet, oh, box.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

We've been calling them like small, medium, smaller, medium boxes.

Justin:

And then there's the slider cabinet.

Justin:

Opens up with doors.

Jem:

Yeah, what's the, what are you using for the doors on that?

Justin:

At this point, we kind of went around and around and we wanted you

Justin:

to metal powder coated metal that was like, kind of prohibitively expensive.

Justin:

So that currently they're going to be frosted acrylic, which I don't it's okay.

Justin:

I've done it a few other times, but not my preferred long-term.

Justin:

I think it's one of those things that can easily be customized, some type

Justin:

of pattern or just different colors

Justin:

. Jem: Have you considered glass?

Justin:

I haven't, no, that's interesting glass.

Justin:

Interesting.

Jem:

than acrylic typically

Justin:

Really?

Jem:

yeah, I reckon, and I would say it's harder to ship.

Jem:

Like there's some challenges with its fragility, but I really like it.

Justin:

No, I had not in my mind.

Justin:

That seems way more expensive.

Justin:

I've never even quote idea.

Justin:

you need a hold open it though.

Jem:

Yeah, we can we count machine it, I guess that's.

Jem:

You got to get someone to waterjet cut it and

Justin:

So you can, waterjet an opening oh, interesting.

Justin:

And then soften it somehow to

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

I think they call it, well, our glazing people call it an Iris

Jem:

and a Polish, so they cut an Eris onto the edge and then Polish it.

Jem:

I don't know how they must have equipment.

Jem:

But yeah, we've done a few little custom projects with glass doors, sliding

Jem:

glass doors and stuff, and doing a job at the moment, which has got reeded

Jem:

glass in it, which is that really nice,

Jem:

like vertical beaded pattern?

Jem:

Yeah, I'm into it.

Jem:

And I dunno, I've just got this thing in the back of my head of not putting

Jem:

more plastic out into the world.

Jem:

So I try and avoid acrylic when I can, but

Justin:

no, I have the exact same thought.

Justin:

That's why I was wanting to do metal.

Justin:

And it was like more than triple the cost, quadruple the cost.

Justin:

I don't know, just, I guess there's also the wood.

Justin:

It just, it doesn't seem, you probably can't see it, but up there,

Justin:

there's a couple of versions of it.

Jem:

Looks nice for me.

Justin:

yeah, it could go with a lot of different, we've

Justin:

tried to design that slot.

Justin:

It's kind of a curiosity at this point.

Justin:

It can accept quarter inch and eighth inch materials.

Justin:

It has like a double layered, it could be sought in section.

Justin:

It can go deeper on the smaller section,

Justin:

so you could potentially be able to put it.

Justin:

We were hoping to be able to put the metal panel in as a thinner

Justin:

panel it fell down farther.

Justin:

So don't know if they'll work that well, we've just been using the quarter so far.

Jem:

Does that mean you can, without changing the machining of that,

Jem:

those rebates you can, rabbits, you can switch out the door.

Justin:

Yep.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

But do you know what we spell that?

Justin:

R a B, B E

Jem:

And I, you spell it differently.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

silly.

Justin:

I'd never even thought about any of that until you brought it up.

Justin:

So I've basically, we've been doing the quarter with a, with a slightly

Justin:

widened ball mill So it has a little bit of affiliating on either side.

Justin:

And then I just added a lower pass within like a eighth inch and Mel, which is

Justin:

like 0.1, two, five inches below that.

Justin:

And it allows the quarter to just kind of ride above it and then I

Justin:

haven't tried anything thinner.

Justin:

So we'll find

Jem:

convert inches to metric or not to decimal inches for

Jem:

me as if that would help.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yes.

Justin:

Yeah, that's true.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Now

Jem:

I'm familiar with those sizes.

Justin:

We have like the stupid, I don't know if you guys have these

Justin:

too, but the drill index, right?

Justin:

Like all the different types of drills,

Justin:

you pull it out.

Justin:

So we have like 16 types.

Justin:

I swear.

Justin:

Like I'm just learning about fractional was the only thing that I kind of grew

Justin:

up with, even though I despise fractions.

Justin:

And so I've thought about that a few times lately.

Justin:

I've just like, I wonder what is it as a metric index?

Justin:

Just like every half mill and you just, you never convert anything.

Justin:

It's just such a weird, because we're constantly a fractionals.

Justin:

I have to sit there and figure out what the decimal point is on

Jem:

Uh, of course you do.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I've never thought about that

Justin:

I'm just like, don't work harder for no reason.

Jem:

fun.

Jem:

Now I'm familiar with a lot of the smaller Imperial stuff, because strangely

Jem:

a lot of our, like if you go to a hardware store and buy scurries here,

Jem:

or like basic sort of agri agricultural fastness, that's pretty much all.

Jem:

Stupidly and same with like drill bits and just basic bits and bobs like

Justin:

Every time a non-American buys one of these, they spit on

Justin:

the ground when they pick it up, they're like stupid Americans.

Justin:

I would switch in a heartbeat, but

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

Anyway, good to say some Nack stuff coming

Justin:

For sure.

Justin:

Oh on that note while we're still there, I brought these out again.

Justin:

I think I shared them a while back, but we were trying to work on kits,

Don:

Justin shows Jem his Nack Wall Miniatures.

Jem:

Oh, so cute

Justin:

Nack Walls.

Jem:

scale model.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Like eighth inch something worked out so that you could basically,

Justin:

you know, fit it just perfectly.

Justin:

I had to scale some of it to print.

Justin:

Right.

Justin:

But they function

Jem:

That's civic here.

Justin:

brought me back to architectural models that one's just taped on.

Jem:

That's awesome.

Justin:

It's really useful.

Justin:

Actually, one of our employees couple months ago brought one home because

Justin:

his partner loves miniature things.

Justin:

And I was like, see if they can bring up some kind of nice kit for us.

Justin:

And so I brought it home for the weekend.

Jem:

that's cool.

Jem:

Yesterday we had a an old hand smarketing meeting

Justin:

Oh yeah

Jem:

whenever we have the same meetings because Sarah

Jem:

business manager works remotely.

Jem:

She's in Melbourne where all in Castlemaine, which is about an

Jem:

hour and a quarter drive away.

Jem:

So we have weekly zoom meetings in the audio quality on these, like

Jem:

whatever they are, standard webcams, just terrible, particularly for

Jem:

capturing a table full of people.

Justin:

Yes.

Jem:

So I've been using the little road wireless go microphones,

Jem:

which I use for these.

Jem:

It sounds like honey, apparently

Justin:

My wife says the same, so it's not just Joe.

Jem:

I started using them the meetings cause I've got two of

Jem:

them and I made these little like threaded pegboard microphone stands

Jem:

yesterday that the mic clips into it's got felt for acoustic insulation.

Jem:

It sits on the table and there's two of them.

Jem:

So everyone can like sit around the table and do that reasonably well.

Jem:

Yeah, it works really well.

Jem:

I've never had such good outgoing audio in zoom calls.

Justin:

that's pretty great,

Jem:

Anyway,

Jem:

a little aside there.

Justin:

you probably have similar experience.

Justin:

So there's a lot of my zoom over the pandemic was with like I don't know,

Justin:

people that don't do content making.

Justin:

I'd have like a light and

Justin:

like a nice microphone and this, this camera is actually pretty good.

Justin:

And they'd be like, wow, this is amazing.

Justin:

When you record yourself for the internet.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

He made progress on your shooting plans.

Justin:

I have a model that I've been working on of I'll just show you,

Justin:

cause it's, it's, it's entertaining.

Justin:

Cause it's so simple, but the idea is to just build this little fo wall,

Justin:

that's like 12 feet by four feet to it's like each one of those is a

Justin:

standard size panel of material and then we'll just paint it because we're

Justin:

just going to use my friend's space.

Justin:

And

Justin:

Luckily our mounting bracket should fit perfectly on these studs in the back.

Justin:

And so we can just switch the panel either way, hopefully, and then

Justin:

also have one over here on the

Justin:

left.

Justin:

I think that's going to work.

Justin:

The trick was like, I'm going to have to paint some like MDF clad plywood stuff.

Justin:

That's kind of interesting.

Justin:

I'm just trying to figure out how that would work and how to assemble it.

Justin:

You don't have to do a ton of like finishing and but other than that,

Justin:

I haven't gotten a whole lot farther on kind of the logistics side first.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Cool.

Justin:

your shear, it seemed like it was a success.

Jem:

Yeah, it was good.

Jem:

Still did that classic thing of, you know, hour and a half in just getting kind of

Jem:

sucked down a particular path without thinking critically And I find whenever I

Jem:

shoot, it takes me a while to get warmed up and like get the flashes where I want

Jem:

them and the shots not looking terrible.

Jem:

And it's like, cool.

Jem:

All right, now we're at a point where things it's like was already lunchtime.

Jem:

And we were just, at that point with things started looking good or I

Jem:

was happy with the direction, but just that classic thing of like,

Jem:

you're shooting a product and you're like, oh, we need something for it.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

You just grab, whatever's like within hours rates, you put it in

Jem:

and you like start shooting that.

Jem:

You kind of stop, which is very hard to do.

Jem:

Why is that random object relevant to this standing desk that I'm shooting?

Justin:

Huh?

Justin:

I was like that thing I was telling you last week about showing my wife something.

Justin:

And

Jem:

yeah,

Justin:

I did this one rendering in school.

Justin:

I had a soccer ball in some space and I was just like, I don't know.

Justin:

I could find it on the internet to put into the

Jem:

well, what's that doing there?

Jem:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jem:

It's the equivalent of GrabCAD and it's like, what's in the room that

Jem:

I can quickly put in this shoe.

Jem:

So I think my advice would be, do a little bit of planning around

Jem:

props if you haven't, because we didn't do enough last week.

Jem:

So we've got these funny shots of like kiddo pots with the slack,

Jem:

this really random mix of stuff

Jem:

on them.

Jem:

That shots look okay.

Jem:

I've wrote really happy with the shape, but yeah, there's some

Jem:

weird props in there for show.

Justin:

Yeah, I don't know.

Justin:

Yeah, I haven't done that.

Justin:

Do you have like a dedicated space set up for this?

Jem:

No.

Jem:

I told my go to shared office,

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

the few of us in there, I just got to my end of it and

Jem:

pulled everything out of the way.

Jem:

And then we set up a backdrop papers and kind of worked in that, in that corner.

Jem:

That was one of my plans when we built the new workshop was to have a dedicated photo

Jem:

space that was always just ready to roll.

Jem:

And you could just push a project in there and the flashes would be there

Jem:

and you'd just shoot and document quickly and get it out the door.

Jem:

But space has a way of filling out and collecting junk.

Jem:

So the area that we initially plan to be the photo area would just

Jem:

chronically be overrun with other things.

Jem:

And so it became quite an effort to clear it out.

Jem:

Get ready for a shoot.

Jem:

And then, you know, a few years later that spice became such a premium that we

Jem:

ended up putting, you know, I've taught storage and racking in there, so that

Jem:

wall's now gone and, you know, kind of working our way through the building.

Jem:

We do have a little room upstairs, which I've done a little bit of

Jem:

shooting in which probably needs sort of a half day's work, just like clear

Jem:

reorganize, clear whole bunch of stuff out of it, and could actually become

Jem:

quite a nice, dedicated shooting spot.

Jem:

But the, on the issue that is it's upstate, so trying to get larger projects

Jem:

up there is not sort of feasible.

Jem:

Like if we've built some beautiful custom cabinet for someone we're

Jem:

not going to forklift it out there just for a photo shoot

Justin:

I could see your style, especially just like pulling that

Justin:

off, putting it in the middle of the shop and everybody's like racing

Justin:

around and you just have this one nice piece of furniture in the center,

Justin:

like blurred out people going around.

Jem:

I really love shooting in the dark and with tightly controlled

Jem:

light blooding conditions, like think that's just a habit I've developed

Jem:

from having had some form of, you know, it started off as an art studio.

Jem:

When Laura and my wife ran art studios in Melbourne.

Jem:

That's where I workshop was I had like a dedicated art studio

Jem:

space where I shot, but it worked.

Jem:

And so it had no natural lighting.

Jem:

So I became quite addicted to studio flashes at that point.

Jem:

And so I've always liked to shooting in really tightly controlled light.

Jem:

And we used to make animations and short films and things.

Jem:

And so that kind of all tied into this style of shooting where I like lock out

Jem:

the windows and just like have complete control over the lighting conditions.

Justin:

If you're up to it, I'd love to hear some more about your shop.

Justin:

And I feel like this is, this is leading right into it.

Justin:

I just love to hear the story of how you got to building your own shop.

Justin:

Cause I feel like that's pretty cool in itself.

Jem:

Okay.

Jem:

Can I refill my coffee really

Jem:

quick?

Jem:

i, this is naughty nonstandard.

Jem:

So worked up

Justin:

workshop.

Jem:

workshop, workshop, workshop.

Jem:

Okay.

Jem:

So we were renting obviously in Melbourne for a long time, but we

Jem:

had the benefit of Laura, Laura, and I stopped at luck by that together.

Jem:

And at some point when it became a thing, one of us had to quit our day

Jem:

job and actually focus on the business.

Jem:

And so that ended up paying me.

Jem:

Laura was still very much involved.

Jem:

But at some point soak up so more of a backseat to focus on her art practice.

Jem:

Cause she's a sculptor.

Jem:

But then she started this parallel business of running art studios where

Jem:

she'd rent out these huge spaces in old industrial buildings and

Jem:

would build walls and divvy them up.

Jem:

And so like butter always had workshops within those art studio

Jem:

complexes, which allowed like butter to kind of grow quite organically.

Jem:

Like we start with a small room, small workshop, and then as we got busy were

Jem:

like, oh, actually we'll take on next door and kind of shifted more off.

Jem:

And anyway, but about probably 20 16, 20 17, we started thinking

Jem:

about whether we could, we were always in these old buildings that

Jem:

had demolition closes on them.

Jem:

So the security on the leases.

Jem:

Wasn't great.

Jem:

There was always kind of this overhanging sense of like, at some point we're going

Jem:

to have to move out of this building because the rent was such shape though.

Jem:

That's kind of sites that were going to get developed anyway.

Jem:

So we started looking around to see, what we could rent that would be more

Jem:

secure or, or if potentially, even if we could afford to buy something.

Jem:

And we ended up in a spot where we got pre-approval on a loan for this

Jem:

industrial site in Northern Melbourne, but like a stupid amount of money, and

Jem:

commercial loans work in this funny way where they kind of don't expect

Jem:

the business to ever pay it off.

Jem:

Like it almost works like rent.

Justin:

Oh,

Jem:

We got approval on this, like $1.6 million loan to buy this factory.

Jem:

And we just kind of stopped and thought thankfully, and we're like, we're going

Jem:

to be in debt until we're like 70.

Jem:

This is crazy.

Jem:

What are we doing?

Jem:

And thankfully aborted that I was chatting to a friend who, had already

Jem:

done the country move, had moved out of the city with these beehives

Jem:

and started these honey business self in the country somewhere else.

Jem:

We're at a point where we'd done some rough pricing on building our

Jem:

own factory in the country, our own shed basically, versus this $1.6

Jem:

million investment in the city.

Jem:

And I was chatting to him about it.

Jem:

He was like, gem the price difference between those two is huge.

Jem:

think about how many robots that is because he's, he's an engineer and

Jem:

into his CNCS as well as like, oh yeah.

Jem:

Wow.

Jem:

That is a lot of robots.

Jem:

Anyway, Laura and I had been thinking about moving up to Castlemaine in

Jem:

the country, which is where I grew up in Laura grew up, not that far away.

Jem:

So we've got parents around here and wanted to do the country move

Jem:

for having kids and things like.

Jem:

We ended up buying this really cheap little plot of land in Castlemaine

Jem:

that was kind of subsidized by the council because they were trying

Jem:

to encourage small businesses to, move here and develop.

Jem:

We're in a little funny little industrial park with only a couple of other

Jem:

businesses here, but the land, yeah.

Jem:

Land was really cheap.

Jem:

Building a factory from scratch whilst it was cheaper than that

Jem:

1.6 million in the city was still a really expensive operation.

Jem:

And so we're going to be, you know, the good, good amount of debt to pay down.

Jem:

But it was effect what I say to people in the short story is like, it was cheaper

Jem:

for us to make the move and build a factory from scratch than it was going to

Jem:

be to rent, continue to rent in the city.

Justin:

Yeah

Jem:

so once we worked that out, it was kind of a no-brainer we're

Jem:

like, we want to move to the country.

Jem:

It's going to be cheaper for us to build one, what, an opportunity

Jem:

to be able to build a shed from scratch and make it how we want.

Jem:

That's kind of how we ended up.

Jem:

I think, yeah, 2019 was when we moved in.

Jem:

It's been yeah, three years now.

Justin:

you're just right before the pandemic, but I worked

Jem:

right before.

Justin:

Not like

Justin:

right in the

Jem:

because

Jem:

furniture got shut down in Melbourne during the pandemic.

Jem:

Like people weren't allowed to go to work for a while there.

Jem:

We got really lucky having already made the move and being clear up here.

Justin:

Did you have

Justin:

employees move

Jem:

Yeah,

Jem:

we did.

Jem:

Yup.

Jem:

A lot of our key staff relocated we lost a couple of the younger ones who

Jem:

will use, who was still in uni or kind of more committed to the city lives.

Jem:

But a lot of the more senior staff or made the country move as well.

Jem:

And Sarah stayed on in Melbourne as well, business manager, so still got a

Jem:

little location in Melbourne where she works and where customers can pick up

Jem:

jobs and product and things like that.

Justin:

Please.

Jem:

But yeah, it's worked really well, but we're definitely nervous

Jem:

about the move, like a little.

Jem:

So our whole customer base was very Melbourne centric at that stage and

Jem:

we didn't really know what was going to happen, but then it's only an

Jem:

hour and a half away, but still, you know thankfully worked out really

Jem:

well and we haven't didn't have any issues with having sort of relocated.

Jem:

There's a few logistical challenges with getting certain materials here

Jem:

and getting stuff back out again, but we've kind of worked through a lot of

Jem:

that and it's all pretty seamless now.

Justin:

That's nice.

Justin:

That's about the only way I've ever imagined being able to afford something

Justin:

probably more money than that now, because at the time, and I don't know

Justin:

what the conversion is between our real estate situations, every time I've half

Justin:

thought that we're not even close to the revenue to be building something,

Justin:

but I'm just like, I hate renting.

Justin:

Maybe we could buy a building or, you know, like something and it's just

Justin:

an absurd proposition in the city,

Justin:

For us anyway.

Justin:

That's cool.

Justin:

I am glad to hear the story.

Justin:

I mean, there's a lot of other aspects to the other.

Justin:

I think your goal, the, just your efforts towards sustainability,

Justin:

I think you really need to

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

We've got a few things going on.

Jem:

It was a really nice feeling when we're installing a spray booth and I

Jem:

got to cover a huge hole in the wall.

Jem:

I was like, this is our wall and I can cut a hallway that.

Jem:

Just those little things, you know, investing in rooftop,

Jem:

solar, because it was our roof.

Jem:

And we could do that.

Justin:

yeah.

Jem:

We put 33 kilowatts of solar on the roof in a three-phase inverter and means

Jem:

that while it was still grid connected over the course of the year, we're pretty

Jem:

much net zero in terms of power usage.

Jem:

We're typically we feed a lot more back into the grid on average,

Jem:

over the year, then we use,

Justin:

Wow that have any type of like, are there like incentives at all for a

Justin:

business to do that kind of thing now?

Jem:

no seller incentives used to be really good here that used to

Jem:

get paid quite a lot per kilowatt to feed back into the grid.

Jem:

But since it's become much more popular to have rooftop solar that's.

Jem:

Whittled down to almost nothing, but that's yeah.

Jem:

That's never been our interest in sort of making money on power.

Jem:

It's it's offsetting.

Jem:

What we use is our key incentive.

Jem:

But it's also allowed us to do other funny slash projects, which you

Jem:

might've seen, like the sawdust compost.

Jem:

So I like write down one side of the factory.

Jem:

We've got like two years of dust extractor, sawdust piled

Jem:

up slowly, composting away.

Jem:

And we mix like food scraps and garden waste and stuff into it.

Jem:

And it's a pretty ineffective compost system.

Jem:

Like the compost is such a fine art, art and a science, which

Jem:

I don't really understand.

Jem:

But we have done experiments to try and deal with all the soda that we generate.

Jem:

Cause it's pretty much our biggest waste.

Jem:

In terms of what was going in the bin.

Jem:

So we haven't put sawdust in the bean really for about two and

Jem:

a half years, maybe two years.

Justin:

Holy

Jem:

and we had the guy from the local community.

Jem:

He took a bunch of it away for about six months.

Jem:

It was making garden pods with it.

Jem:

But pretty much everything else we've called composted.

Jem:

And last year, I think I lost track of time.

Jem:

Relatively recently, we had it lab tested to see what had happened to all the glues.

Jem:

Cause everyone was like, can't compost plywood soda because it's full of full

Jem:

of formaldehyde and blah, blah, blah.

Jem:

We're like, cool.

Jem:

Let's try it.

Jem:

And so we took a sample of our most mature compost and sent, sent a bucket

Jem:

of at Hooper hay to be lab tested and the report came back really good.

Jem:

All the, the nasty staff had broken down.

Jem:

So.

Jem:

And there were a few like copper and zinc.

Jem:

I think we're a little bit high, but it was still within safe levels to

Jem:

be used in decorative gardens and

Jem:

stuff.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Just not, probably not food creation, but like

Justin:

other non food related things.

Jem:

Non-food stuff.

Jem:

The advice was probably not in a garden, eating out of every

Jem:

day, but otherwise pretty safe

Justin:

that's

Jem:

that's been fun, but kind of at the max, like volume now we can't really put a

Jem:

kind of spice for any more soda out there.

Justin:

What'd you do then like

Jem:

um,

Justin:

and start

Jem:

I'm thinking, I'm thinking, about taking it all home, to be honest,

Jem:

we've got land and either start a sort of little mini, industrial

Jem:

composting facility at home.

Jem:

Or invest in some sort of machine that could deal with it here more

Jem:

effectively because it's called compost.

Jem:

That takes ages to break down.

Jem:

Whereas if we could potentially come up with some sort of petered barrel,

Jem:

hot composting system, we could maybe deal with our weekly sawdust

Justin:

By an old cement mixer truck and just have it rotate with a heat inside.

Jem:

basically.

Justin:

funny.

Justin:

I was going to make a joke, but it's, it's such a noble effort that I was

Justin:

like, man, maybe I won't, but now I'm going to the you're talking about

Justin:

like lining the side of your shop, but just like keep some basically

Justin:

what other people consider trash.

Justin:

In a different scenario in the states, I can imagine somebody reporting you, right?

Justin:

Like these guys are just dumping their trash outside their shop, you know?

Justin:

And you're like, now I'm thinking about taking it home and,

Justin:

you're basically hoarding trash.

Justin:

You know, like this is mine, I'm taking this with me.

Jem:

I've thought about that because it's not an amazing look, but

Justin:

I think it makes sense.

Jem:

we do, we do seed it with green manure, which is I wasn't, I was

Jem:

never familiar with that term, but it's like a farming thing, I think,

Jem:

where you see that with like mustard seed and fast growing grains.

Jem:

And then that shoots up really fast.

Jem:

And then you're supposed to break it back down into the compost or the

Jem:

soil to help sort of revitalize it.

Jem:

So we planted out with gray Mineola, which keeps it looking kind of God, ne like

Jem:

neater and a bit more, a bit less like a pile of trash and more like a garden.

Jem:

But

Justin:

that's just like trash bags sticking out.

Jem:

But yeah,

Justin:

That's cool.

Justin:

Superbowl.

Justin:

maybe it's more common there, I guess, for this kind of thing to happen, but

Justin:

I've brought this up to other people, even before we started doing the podcast

Justin:

about some of the things you're doing, especially with the, the compost.

Justin:

And it it's always really impactful when never, where I

Justin:

talk about with somebody else.

Justin:

They're always like, wow, you can do that.

Justin:

Like, it's so cool.

Justin:

At least here that's not common.

Justin:

And I would love to see more of it because I have friends here

Justin:

too, that we live in this kind of let's recycle or compost everything

Justin:

culture, but yet there's certain things you just don't even consider.

Justin:

And that definitely was one of them.

Justin:

But it'd be cool to make some type of facility or

Justin:

opportunity for that to happen.

Justin:

Cause that's probably the same, I mean, other than offcuts, which

Justin:

we can always, I always try to put out on Craigslist for free.

Justin:

Whenever we have enough, we just, instead of throwing away

Justin:

anything, that's mildly reasonable.

Justin:

Cause we got a lot of artists that want the tiniest pieces, right?

Justin:

Like we'll have a repetitive scrap piece and we just stack them up.

Justin:

We just post it up and it's like, come get it.

Justin:

And it's gone within hours.

Justin:

So could be a thing I thought about that with your, if you

Justin:

want to get rid of your dirt.

Justin:

Right.

Justin:

I don't know if this is the thing for you there.

Justin:

Maybe somebody wants it for like fill material.

Justin:

I don't know.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Now that's a good idea.

Jem:

We are sort of smaller scale offcuts that aren't useful to us.

Jem:

But, you know, an artist or someone might still appreciate, we donate to

Jem:

the local men's shed, which is this nationwide scheme . It's kind of

Jem:

like make a space for the old guys.

Jem:

Like if it was called a maker space, I think that would attract way more people.

Jem:

But it's called men's shed was kind of off putting, but anyway,

Jem:

they're all over the country.

Jem:

Some old dude turns up in Ute and picks up our remnants every month.

Jem:

All there's a local prison as well, which has like a wood shop that

Jem:

takes a lot of them at the moment.

Jem:

So that's been good, but yeah, we don't have Craigslist here, but you've got, you

Jem:

know, equivalence, but it's a good idea.

Jem:

It's a good idea.

Jem:

Putting stuff like that up,

Justin:

It's always surprising what is, and isn't common between us.

Justin:

I, I can't get over there.

Justin:

Maker-space for old guys.

Justin:

Cause I hope that's through tagline.

Jem:

I wish.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah, I think if I'd love with the compost, I'd love to be able

Jem:

to create a recipe, but you or

Justin:

Oh, that'd be cool.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

to be able to go, cool, we've worked out this system, but it's a safe result.

Jem:

And if you do it like this, you'll get this output.

Jem:

That'd be, that's kind of what I'm working towards basically.

Justin:

I suppose a lot of that has to do with how nasty the incoming

Justin:

part is, how terrible the glues were,

Jem:

Yeah,

Justin:

which I'm sure like that if I had to guess, and if they're not

Justin:

lying about it, which I don't know whether it would, but like the states

Justin:

industries uses like soy based glues.

Justin:

And I think the Garnica uses soy basketballers.

Justin:

So I would imagine a lot of that stuff just got to be better.

Jem:

That's it.

Jem:

That sounds better than what we're dealing with.

Jem:

To be honest, I think because you're in California, right,

Justin:

Oregon,

Jem:

Oregon.

Jem:

I always get those two confused, I think, I think you've got better Owens.

Jem:

I've some of the stuff I've heard about sounds like you've got better regulations

Jem:

around chemicals and stuff potentially.

Jem:

maybe.

Justin:

Oh, specifically California does.

Justin:

They're basically like one of the largest countries in the world as is.

Justin:

You know, in population and they're also, they've got this bent, which I

Justin:

appreciate, but there's a whole, a lot of other people that do not, they, they're

Justin:

such a big factor in the economy here that if, and they're pretty liberal.

Justin:

So if they go, Hey, we're going to make the gas mileage necessary for cars,

Justin:

this level, it changes the whole country.

Jem:

Oh,

Justin:

all these different things that you'll see all the time, like the state of

Justin:

California deemed this to be carcinogenic.

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

Well, I'd say that on route a bit.

Jem:

Like if I buy OMS road route a bit, it's got this thing about California on it.

Justin:

That's kind of why there's such a big impact that like manufacturers

Justin:

will turn what they need to do because there's 40 or 50 million people there.

Justin:

It's huge.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

It's a huge state,

Jem:

Wow.

Justin:

Cool.

Justin:

Well, thanks for.

Justin:

Tell me about that a little bit.

Justin:

I always wondered some of those things and you do a pretty

Justin:

good job of posting about it.

Justin:

I haven't dug through your website too much, I

Jem:

Oh yeah.

Jem:

There's always more to share.

Jem:

The next next step is to burn it.

Justin:

Okay.

Justin:

It seems to, seems to be well one of the things that one of the major

Justin:

wood shops here, they're like they just do a lot of wood processing, but

Justin:

it's not like straight from the log.

Justin:

It's like more fine woodworking, but they have a pucker, like a

Justin:

brick making machine.

Justin:

And so they've got this like giant dust collection system and funnel

Justin:

and it gets certain amounts of it.

Justin:

I don't really understand it filters and it goes down to the pucker

Justin:

and you know, you're in there.

Justin:

It's just like bar pumps out a brick of solid wood.

Justin:

And then I think they sell them.

Jem:

Yeah,

Jem:

yeah.

Jem:

Again, when it's plywood, Tata.

Jem:

But yeah, there's definitely a market for briquettes,

Jem:

so the flyer, but there's a guy in town here.

Jem:

Who's a bit of a like sustainability guru dude and he makes these sawdust.

Jem:

Stove slowed us burning heaters, brought one around for demo recently and we

Jem:

put our plywood sawdust in it and we tested it and burns, beautifully, like

Jem:

ultra efficient, zero smoke out of the top of a beautiful little thing.

Jem:

I'd love to build one, to hate the workshop or make like a heated drying

Jem:

room for the spray booth or something.

Jem:

But I don't think our insurance broker would want anything

Jem:

to do with a shop made fire

Justin:

Yeah, for sure.

Jem:

So I don't know.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

Thinking about it.

Justin:

I was imagining the scenario or somebody could buy their kit apart

Justin:

shelves, and then they could also get a brick of the sawdust that was

Justin:

overfill, like to what it was made from.

Justin:

And then you could partner with this guy and he could also, you

Justin:

could co sell them a furnace that also could burn their sawdust full

Jem:

It was gold.

Jem:

It was so cold at home.

Jem:

Last night, I was like, desperately we'd run out of firewood.

Jem:

And I was looking around the house and I just kinda, my eyes caught

Jem:

the kid apart in the corner.

Jem:

I was like, Ooh, look at all that nice Dao that'll burn.

Jem:

Well

Justin:

Well, I, I did these iMac basis by myself, a lot of them

Justin:

in the middle of the pandemic.

Justin:

And it was just like one of the most stressful.

Justin:

But somewhat therapeutic to just work on a bunch of them.

Justin:

I learned a lot of like how to finish better and all those kinds of things.

Justin:

So there's a lot of bad ones.

Justin:

And so when it came around to the summertime, we had a fire pit in

Justin:

the back, we'd have friends over, you know, kind of safely outside.

Justin:

They'd be like, what are you burning?

Justin:

And I'm like, it's my pain from eight months ago.

Justin:

Don't worry about it.

Jem:

furniture grade firewood.

Jem:

It's the best killing dried.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Could you do something with that as like yes.

Justin:

It's keeping us warm.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Fantastic.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

It's funny.

Jem:

We're not, cause we'd burned little kit of parts off cuts since like

Jem:

seeing this like glowing Amber of threaded, the Al in the fire.

Jem:

It's this beautiful little object but away.

Justin:

It is disturbing to see in some sense, it's also really cool to

Justin:

see, like we burned off pets for a long time at home just to see something

Justin:

that's cut by like a CNC router.

Justin:

You've got these like perfect shapes and it's like, what is that doing in a fire?

Jem:

Yup.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Other than selling your offcuts on Craigslist, how do you deal

Jem:

with, do you have a good system for dealing with remnants?

Jem:

I wouldn't, wouldn't put it past you to have like some system in air table

Jem:

where you know exactly like the quarter sheet that you've got left over for.

Jem:

That job a year ago,

Justin:

Make no money.

Justin:

I just spent all my time categorizing offcuts.

Justin:

No, I'm pretty happy.

Justin:

And it takes the right people that maybe have similar mindset

Justin:

about how to deal with it.

Justin:

Our last shop was so small that a lot of our offcuts just piled up

Justin:

all over things to the point where it tipped over one of our cabinets.

Justin:

It was too much leaning against it.

Justin:

Cause we didn't have any walls, basically like two walls.

Justin:

It wasn't a shared space.

Justin:

So that necessitated, when we moved in here, I was like, we can't do this

Justin:

kind of hoarders pile stacking of wood.

Justin:

And so I spent me and a couple other people that I kind of started the process.

Justin:

We built a scrap rack that was basically like, here's where the scrap goes.

Justin:

If it doesn't fit here, it's got to go out.

Justin:

And that was usually the mentality it's changed a little bit since we kind of

Justin:

took the full space over, still the same idea of, you know, if we can use it and

Justin:

the kind of plywood scarcity has changed.

Justin:

Some of our mentality too, with it's gotten so expensive or like, well,

Justin:

we can use this a piece this big, you know, whereas before it was like

Justin:

out I don't know, trying to stack things in a way that you, if you

Justin:

can't see all of it, in my opinion, you're never going to use all of it.

Justin:

Like if it's layered in depth.

Justin:

So that was kind of part of our design of we'd probably have a lot

Justin:

different scale problems, though.

Justin:

I'm semi you make a lot more scrap than we do, or have a place to you have

Justin:

the opportunity to store more of it.

Justin:

I bet.

Jem:

Which isn't necessarily a good thing.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

All right.

Jem:

Now we had similar thinking of like, when we moved into the new workshop, we

Jem:

made a dedicated spot in the racking.

Jem:

I was like, these two bays are the only spot where remnants should go

Jem:

and once it's full out and it's, yeah, Sevenly really helped developing that

Jem:

relationship with the Makerspace for old guys, because they do take all

Jem:

that little stuff that was previously pretty junky and would pile up in.

Jem:

We had piles around the workshop that goes out the door now.

Jem:

So yeah, it's not too bad.

Justin:

We've all, everybody, most everybody I've had

Justin:

worked there including myself.

Justin:

I'm probably the worst.

Justin:

I have a lot of like, guilt about getting rid of anything material wise

Justin:

like that I'm like, oh, that's useful.

Justin:

I can, you know, what if we glued it all up and made a weird, you

Justin:

know, nobody ever does that.

Justin:

So I think that was the biggest change for us was finding what we felt was

Justin:

somewhat responsible way to get rid of it

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

instead of just the dumpster.

Justin:

And that changed more than anything, how much we had sitting around.

Justin:

I think that we can very reliably post almost anything scrap wise

Justin:

on Craigslist and it disappears.

Justin:

So whatever your version of that is like something where you can

Justin:

post and say here's free material.

Justin:

And that, that changed our scrap scenario a lot, I think because we

Justin:

would definitely keep a lot more on.

Justin:

But in our rainy months, it's kinda crappy here.

Justin:

Cause it's like, we don't want to put it out in the rain, but we ended up

Justin:

with more scrap inside for a while.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Do you categorize or stories in a certain way?

Jem:

There is a task on our weekly cleaning roster flight, random

Jem:

cleaning roster, name generator in our table that pings off in

Jem:

slack every Wednesday morning.

Jem:

And so it's always someone's job to do a bit of a salt to the off guard area.

Jem:

And so it's basically just pulling stuff out and re combining it with its friends

Jem:

of like putting all the Birch together and putting all the hoop pine together

Jem:

and stuff like that still becomes a bit of a, like a little tipping danger zone.

Jem:

I OHS issue very quickly, but yeah, it's a reasonably sorted.

Jem:

You can kind of walk up to it and go, I needed a bit of radiata 18 mil

Jem:

somewhere there and grabs on the app.

Jem:

So yeah.

Jem:

That's all right.

Justin:

Do those kinds of tasks actually get done like every week,

Justin:

somebody actually does that task.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

Reasonably well.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

So I found the biggest improvement to actually getting stuff

Jem:

done was being ultra specific.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

When we introduced a rolling roster.

Jem:

When we introduced that cleaning roster last year, the tasks were quite broad.

Jem:

It was like, well, there were slashes in it.

Jem:

It was like off cuts slash blue, whatever spray booth.

Jem:

And say, just for example, if tasks were slashed or not specific

Jem:

enough stuff, wouldn't get done, but by making stuff ultra specific,

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

I think it's very likely for people like, that's what I'm doing.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

Okay.

Jem:

I'll go and do that.

Jem:

And that, that worked really well.

Justin:

We had a chore list similar to this.

Justin:

It might peak of things were organized and smooth and running

Justin:

well, and we had probably the most common roster people too.

Justin:

And it worked for like six to eight months and then somebody left and

Justin:

the pandemic hit and it just went out the window and I've never gotten it

Justin:

back to you know, the right state.

Justin:

But I, yeah, I get what you're saying.

Justin:

No, that's how I work the best when things are hyper-specific like that too.

Justin:

Or if there's too many like clean, you know, shop, it's never going

Justin:

to get done, whatever that was.

Jem:

Yeah, it was around the same time when I made that

Jem:

realization for myself as well.

Jem:

Like when I wrote to do lists or task lists for myself, I was like,

Jem:

no, it cannot be a slash task.

Jem:

Like, cause I won't do it.

Jem:

It has to be specific.

Jem:

With the cleaning stuff, I won the, about the economics of it,

Jem:

of like the whole production team Downing tools for only half an hour.

Jem:

But you know, then half an hour turns into 35, 40 minutes.

Jem:

Every week, what does that cost in lost productivity versus, you know, just

Jem:

paying a professional to come in and clean the toilets and clean the kitchen

Justin:

Yeah, definitely thought about that.

Justin:

It sounds like your, your business cut surely rubbing off what's.

Justin:

This is that the person that always pushes you on the productivity time?

Justin:

no,

Jem:

no, no, yeah, probably I'm sure it is rubbing off at some level.

Jem:

Yeah, it definitely is.

Jem:

But I feel like that's something I've thought about for a while of

Jem:

it's always a tricky balance of production output versus paying for stuff.

Justin:

The thing I've always wanted that I feel like would pay great dividends

Justin:

is those little, have you seen the shop version of the Makita Roomba?

Jem:

I almost bought one last week.

Justin:

I know a, a woodworker here.

Justin:

He does pretty well, and he has two of them.

Justin:

One went down and he bought another one.

Jem:

Woah

Justin:

He's a pretty small shop, but, that one in particular

Justin:

just makes so much sense to me.

Justin:

Like I've heard, they're kind of stupid, there are no Roomba, in

Justin:

terms of intelligence, but they do pick up quite a bit of stuff.

Justin:

I've been kind of teasing forever.

Justin:

I'll post something on Instagram.

Justin:

Who wants to crowd fund buying one of these I'll torture.

Justin:

Test it for you.

Jem:

I came so close to buying one the other way, because it's

Jem:

Sarah business manager was away.

Jem:

I'm on holiday, on holiday for a week.

Jem:

And I was like, what am I going to buy this week?

Jem:

That I can reconcile through the accounts that she just went see?

Jem:

And I had the, the Makita robo vac open on my browser all week.

Jem:

And I couldn't quite justify myself, but yeah, I'd love one of those.

Justin:

You know, it would be a morale boost, right?

Justin:

Like it's, it's one for the team.

Jem:

Its like a shop dog

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Except for you don't have to feed it and

Justin:

sweep up after it.

Jem:

Oh, that does reminded me of a funny anecdote another week when Sarah

Jem:

was on holiday, just random timing, but I was on Grimsmo's saga pen list.

Jem:

You know, Grimsby was a lottery system,

Justin:

Yep.

Jem:

had an email pop up for a saga and I was like, oh, it's the first time I've

Jem:

ever been offered a grim smoke product, or then I can't attend content this down.

Jem:

So I bought this beautiful pen which ones converted to Australian dollars

Jem:

is quite a, quite an inexpensive band.

Justin:

But.

Jem:

And it just happened to fall through the accounts in

Jem:

this week that Sarah was away.

Jem:

I was like, cool.

Jem:

I'll just reconcile that away into office expenses.

Jem:

And.

Jem:

Sarah had made some comment the week before, like joked that Sarah loves

Jem:

office supplies always has a right well-equipped to like stationery cupboard.

Jem:

And she'd made some joke about stationary is always urgent and important.

Jem:

I thought I'm I'll remember that.

Jem:

And then

Justin:

Put that

Jem:

next week

Justin:

zero,

Jem:

did, I put it in the notes in sincere as I reconciled this

Jem:

$500 Grimm's in my opinion.

Jem:

Yeah, I don't think she's ever found it.

Justin:

I'm assuming she doesn't listen to this.

Jem:

I dunno.

Jem:

I think she's listened to some of them.

Justin:

Yeah, she will.

Justin:

Now I'm sure

Justin:

somebody

Jem:

will know

Justin:

to her.

Justin:

I won't do it.

Justin:

I don't know.

Justin:

Sarah.

Jem:

what's happening in the background there.

Jem:

Fun things.

Justin:

That's our table saw it's pretty close to the office.

Justin:

I don't know if Ricky Ricky's the wizard at the tables house.

Justin:

Who's always using it for something

Jem:

Nice.

Justin:

building actually, which is pretty cool off the share something.

Justin:

I think he came up with the idea.

Justin:

It was like in between the idea of Like a display for the Nack wall

Justin:

to put it a show like that makers market I was talking about, we were

Justin:

coming up with, how would we do this?

Justin:

Should it be mobile?

Justin:

Should it not?

Justin:

And we kind of jettisoned the mobile thought of was just like,

Justin:

that's too much to figure out.

Justin:

But then as he's finishing all of these, you know boxes were like,

Justin:

well, where the heck are we going to put all of these, finished goods?

Justin:

Where do they go?

Justin:

And we don't really have like a clean room.

Justin:

We were in a packaging forum.

Justin:

They only clean room in fact is our bathroom

Justin:

this room

Jem:

in there.

Justin:

this room,

Justin:

We've always kept finished parts in the bathroom because it's very low use.

Justin:

Right?

Justin:

Like we're all pretty cool with that.

Justin:

So he's building this mobile off of like panels we can't use.

Justin:

Cause they've changed dimensions a little bit.

Justin:

He's building a mobile version of a Nack Wall with two sides.

Justin:

So we can hang stuff on it and then roll it away to, to like either store

Justin:

or basically like a finished rack.

Justin:

That's kind of interesting.

Justin:

Definitely not necessary, but kind of in a way, cause we couldn't figure

Justin:

out where to put all that stuff.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

What's Ricky's background.

Justin:

I think just did a lot of woodworking and making and then I think

Justin:

he was working in a shop locally that did sign work, like making signs and

Justin:

they got a CNC or something like that.

Justin:

And then he either got offered or volunteered to learn how to run

Justin:

it and did that for quite a while.

Justin:

And I found him in the pandemic, he's looking for a job

Jem:

Cool.

Justin:

I'm not letting go.

Justin:

Cause he's, he's, fantastic.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Hold on to the good ones.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Oh, my one,

Justin:

I

Justin:

was like

Justin:

to

Justin:

accidentally

Jem:

No,

Jem:

I'm avoiding that.

Justin:

my, a good friend Chester lend me

Jem:

Ooh,

Justin:

because I have one and a sheared off the hot end tip,

Justin:

trying to

Justin:

change it, to

Jem:

sitting on a preset and I thought that doesn't look.

Justin:

tried to upgrade it to a hardened steel version was

Justin:

supposed to be a quality upgrade.

Justin:

And I just wrenched off the Verace one.

Justin:

It's stuck in the end.

Justin:

So now I've got parts coming.

Justin:

But otherwise I would be printing more of the baby pants.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

But I went for an oil change and I ended up with an engine swap, I guess.

Jem:

Meanwhile, the rest of the world is waiting for a baby pants in the mail.

Justin:

Yeah, I know I'm trying, I'm trying luckily Chester's

Justin:

trust her and Marshall.

Justin:

They on MC laser labs and I've been friends with them for a

Justin:

while, but they, I was messaging him about, about my complaints.

Justin:

Cause I knew he had changed his tip.

Justin:

I was like, did you do this?

Justin:

And he's like, no, I didn't break off the tip, but he's like actually

Justin:

relieving for you know, a little vacation you want to borrow her.

Justin:

So I was like, yes.

Jem:

Sorry.

Justin:

Yeah,

Jem:

Same model is yours.

Justin:

yeah.

Jem:

Yep.

Jem:

Cool.

Jem:

Is that the Mach three or whatever it is?

Justin:

K S three.

Justin:

I think there's a plus sign in there too.

Jem:

so many things to buy.

Jem:

Dammit.

Justin:

Got a pen or a printer.

Justin:

That was your choice.

Justin:

Yes.

Justin:

I know.

Justin:

What's your plan.

Justin:

What are you doing

Jem:

That's my plan.

Jem:

I need a plan.

Jem:

Look, I had a big win on the pencil sharpener getting double

Jem:

ended kit of parts machined.

Jem:

So I need to revisit some of that code.

Jem:

I got it running and the parts fully into the box.

Jem:

I was like, oh, fantastic.

Jem:

This is great.

Jem:

I walked away.

Jem:

I came back a minute later and it crashed.

Jem:

And the sole blade was like jammed halfway through this stuff.

Jem:

And it's got a little.

Jem:

Glitchy code things going on.

Jem:

I can't work out.

Jem:

I don't know if it's just my messy code and the control is

Jem:

like, it doesn't make sense.

Jem:

Code should be binary.

Jem:

It should either work or not work, but there's a couple of things that happen

Jem:

sometimes like just stops mid program.

Jem:

Y and then I'll go in and look at it and like fiddle,

Jem:

fiddle, and then it comes good.

Jem:

Anyway.

Jem:

So I don't know.

Jem:

I need to play with that a bit more before it's fully production ready

Justin:

We've got a glitch in our controllers, as far as I can tell,

Justin:

or all of a sudden the shop saber it'll, it's done this forever.

Justin:

Like if you restart the program, sometimes it'll like restart and

Justin:

the plunge that should be a rapid plunge will just be like super slow.

Justin:

Like it goes to like 1%,

Jem:

as does this do

Justin:

what the hell is that?

Jem:

What the hell?

Jem:

I've always put it down to a fusion post issue.

Justin:

Okay.

Justin:

Maybe it is then, but it's only on restarts right.

Justin:

For us.

Justin:

And then it kind of sticks for awhile.

Justin:

And I don't know why, like, it'll be like the rest of the day until

Justin:

something I don't I don't know,

Jem:

robots, shouldn't be able to do that.

Jem:

yeah, as, as has a really similar glitch where certain geometry,

Jem:

depending on where you put the stop point in fusion, they'll go to cut.

Jem:

Like I said, the sh parts on a sheet and they all cut fine.

Jem:

And then it goes to this one part.

Jem:

And depending on how you've placed the light in is the best thing we've

Jem:

put it down to at this stage, it goes down to the yeah, like 1% feed

Jem:

override or something like crazy slow feed rate, just like burns up cutters.

Jem:

If you don't catch it really weird.

Justin:

The other weird glitch of our post-process or for the shop, Sabre is

Justin:

if you happen to put too many of the feed rates, I believe it's like the

Justin:

ramp and the feed rate and the some other one, if they're all the same.

Justin:

So they're all like a hundred, it will just default to full speed on everything.

Justin:

It like doesn't put in enough F you know, whatevers, it just

Justin:

goes ham 800 inches a minute.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Somehow never have broken anything, but it's just kind of this weird

Justin:

quirk, you gotta like go in and going to make a one different.

Jem:

Have you done any post-process editing?

Jem:

Are you

Justin:

Yeah,

Justin:

yeah,

Justin:

yeah.

Justin:

A lot of like, you wouldn't be surprised.

Justin:

It's basically like, making it prettier and like having more information

Justin:

in the header and like every time there's a program change, it now

Justin:

puts the title of the program in

Jem:

Oh,

Justin:

stuff like that.

Justin:

That my next one, I just did the same.

Justin:

I think Saunders talked about this.

Justin:

I put last thing I did was I put the time with the post in

Justin:

the, like, when it was posted.

Justin:

Cause the change log time, isn't always quite accurate.

Jem:

Hmm.

Justin:

And then the next thing I want to do is potentially put the

Justin:

file name, like the fusion file.

Justin:

I would love to put that in the post.

Justin:

Because sometimes we have too many files and I can't find where it came from,

Jem:

Yeah,

Jem:

I know that problem.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Justin:

you?

Jem:

Hmm.

Jem:

Not really confident that that level of code I've opened my post

Jem:

processes and dug through them, made a few little cosmetic changes.

Jem:

But yeah, not confident to make sort of useful changes yet, but

Jem:

I'd love to do more with it.

Justin:

I mean, it's obvious, but I usually run, I don't label it draft when

Justin:

I throw it in a few, like, so people could use it potentially in the cloud

Justin:

and then only everything else is set to active or like a, like an approved version

Justin:

until it's been tested a little bit.

Justin:

But I have been a little loose with that.

Justin:

Like, Hey, I added this cool new thing and I immediately want everybody isn't.

Jem:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jem:

I'd love to get more confident with coding stuff.

Justin:

Saundra is his videos are pretty helpful.

Justin:

I think that's probably what I've looked through.

Justin:

I have notes on going back to it and then I'm like, oh yeah,

Justin:

that's how you make that happen

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

Yeah.

Jem:

I'm documenting all the stuff to do with tool changes and height offsets

Jem:

in the pencil sharpener at the moment.

Jem:

So cause every time I go to do it, I've completely forgotten because it's really

Jem:

cookie how I set tools and upsets in it.

Justin:

tool.

Justin:

Yeah.

Jem:

I'm trying to document all of that at the moment

Justin:

I would like to request a better video of the pencil

Justin:

sharpener double underworking because

Justin:

I felt like I got big time, like teased when whatever the video was,

Justin:

I was like, oh, there's not enough.

Justin:

It's stopped.

Justin:

It's like the pressure of watching videos and they don't show the end.

Justin:

I was like, what is, was only at the beginning.

Jem:

the benefit.

Jem:

So

Justin:

Okay, well, I gotta go pick up some parts friendly,

Jem:

Yeah,

Justin:

so

Justin:

good to chat.

Jem:

Always.

Justin:

Yeah.

Justin:

Next time.

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