Preservation of a legacy with NFT memories is an innovative powerful too. The multifaceted , Sea Ansley speaks to us about how the Legacy project began. By using NFTs to immortalize memories, he walks us through a touching life case that lead to the creation of Legacy and how its changing lives today. He also pivots in this conversation to his latest initiative Robots & Animals , an NFT themed approach aimed at developing a sense of connection with our selves and technology. Through this heart filled episode explore the balance of music, art, tech and the human spirit.

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Legacy - Sea Ansley

Participants:

• JP (CMO of AdLunam)

• Sea Ansley (Co-Founder of LEGACY & Goa Music Lab)

00:00

JP

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome. Welcome to this episode of Diving into Crypto. This is JP from AdLunam Inc. bringing you everything about web3. On this show. We speak about everything, as I said, in the Web3 space. We will talk to the movers, the shakers, the candlestick, watchers, and everyone in between. And this show comes to you from AdLunam Inc. Which is the industry's first NFT integrated Engage to Earn seed crowdfunding and IDO Launchpad, which works on a Proof of Attention allocation model. If you find that interesting, visit our website for more details or send us a message on the Twitter handle at AdLunam Inc. for more details. Before we begin, I'd like to remind our audience that you have reaction buttons which you can use whenever you hear something fantastic from the speaker, something that resonates with you.

01:19

JP

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02:15

JP

He's got some fantastic stuff happening. And while were in touch, we finally managed to meet up at the Digital Nomad program, the creator program that they had very recently. And I was so excited to finally see him in the flesh and have him invited on the show. And more importantly, he's just back from a trip and he's agreed to be on the show today. So, Sea. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for accepting to make some time to be on the show today. Welcome.

02:45

Sea

Thank you very much for having me and for your kind words. Good to be here.

02:51

JP

Fantastic. Let's dive right into it. I understand that you're a lifelong Impresario and an early adopter of not just crypto but everything tech, but you also have a wide range of interest from music and art and tech, surprisingly, and you've widely traveled. Tell us a little about that, if you can distill that, a little about your background and what got you here today.

03:19

Sea

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Sea

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Sea

06:22

Sea

So that's on the tech side. And travel since I was a kid. My father was a busy businessman. We never really saw him around, but through him we got to travel quite a lot. He was more sort of the mathematician and the business guy, and he was the one that introduced us to computers. While my mother was the creative, she had a casting agency. She was the director and producer of musical theater in Singapore. She pushed me into music. I always had musical instruments and always recorded these really crappy recordings as a kid that she would then send off to her music industry friends and we wouldn't really hear back. And I sort of matured. I had a sold out rap album in Singapore and a couple of big shows there in 92, and then I got into Metallica and started playing guitar in 93.

07:12

Sea

My first volunteer event for a festival was Soundgarden and Nine Inch Nails in 94. So I've been in professional music for nearly 30 years, and in the middle of this old sort of like a busy music life and a full time technology life, I had a ten year sports career and won quite a few championships as a manager and a player. And on the state championships, I worked in professional baseball towards the end of that decade in the Australian Baseball League as a stadium PA commentator, or, sorry, stadium announcer. And I've only recently realized just how many things I pulled off at once, because now I'm quite exhausted thinking about all of that. So I hope that, in a nutshell, sums up technology, sports, music and art.

08:02

JP

Wow. All in one package. And we're not looking back at a lifetime, but that's a number of lifetimes in that 30 years that you've been speaking about. That's incredible.

08:16

Sea

It's exhausting. Yeah. But interesting, though, life has been a magical adventure the entire time and continues to be, I think, and knowledge is everything it really is driving for.

08:30

JP

I agree. The beauty is you're not done yet. I mean, you found Web3 now and you're in this space and in this industry. But tell us at which point, through all this that you were working through, when was it that you said, hey, you know what, Web3 is the space to be for me?

08:50

Sea

09:50

Sea

And once I went, it opened that rabbit hole that I'm sure most of us have gone through, that once you learn a little bit, it's sort of an infinite lessons and research after that. So that's when I got into crypto and it was the disruptive potential of blockchain as well. As for the first time in my life, I've never had much of a relationship with money. I've been driven by passion. I've always made enough to survive and to have sort of modest comforts and you need the money for a flight, for rent and stuff, you find a way. But it wasn't until I learned about crypto that I was able to start saving cash and really saw the importance of sort of wisdom with money and understanding it properly because it's something that's not taught in school. I think even to this day, it's not really even taught in school.

10:46

Sea

11:38

JP

Yeah, the landscape keeps changing. Right. Every time you think you've got a finger on the pulse, there's a different vein that's just come through.

11:46

Sea

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And it seems like society, or at least the industry media, only focuses one topic at a time, so everything's gone through its buzz and hype stage. And I think more recently we're seeing what could be the effects and impact of artificial intelligence on everything we've already learned about Web3. So that's been exciting. I don't know how quantum computing is going to sort of how that's going to play in, but I'm curious to see what else of upcoming technology between now and then is in the pipeline.

12:20

JP

Yeah. AI obviously seems to be the first one that's getting a lot of, what do you say, the kind of attention that VR gave to the metaverse. Right. And it seems that there's this entire rabbit hole that's opening up in which there is so much to dive into, so much to look down at, and also new projects that are coming up using AI in the Web3 space very specifically. Yeah. So interesting times ahead.

12:54

Sea

It's interesting as the word, isn't it? And when you follow sort of closely in the industry, there's sort of drama and surprises and new ideas and inspiration every day.

13:04

JP

True. I want to circle back to one part, though, see what you said before about you're driven by passion. And needless to say, there is a lot of passion when it comes to what you're currently focused on, what you're currently working on in the Web3 space. So what is it that keeps you passionate about being in this space, being in the Web3 space as a whole?

13:34

Sea

I think it does come back to that initial impact of the potential societal disruption of the technology and the opportunity to see it through in the best way I can through my day to day involvement to at least uphold the ideals of what this whole movement was supposed to be about. And while I'm working on the projects that I'm involved in, I think that's the opportunity to progress that and continue to an eye on the pulse of what's happening. Right? And then sort of like on a life sort of matter, it's a very prosperous time. It's a very exciting time. And so that helps passion, too, when everybody else is excited and thirsty for knowledge and up, for sharing and for learning. But at my own stage of my life, I really have humble ambitions to have my own little plot of land in nature, off the grid somewhere, a home built geodesic dome and studio and things.

14:34

Sea

And so I see these next few years as working hard in the space to help make those dreams a reality the rest of life dreams. So the fact that it's interesting and exciting, there's disruptive projects, there's projects that could truly be set up to do well for the parties involved. That's definitely keeping me passionate and involved.

15:01

JP

Super. Okay, so there's, of course, passion in terms of the connection with the dreams, in terms of the tech that's new, that's changing every day. It's a different vein, and we're seeing that what is the one that works for you. That's brilliant. Okay, so I think we're beginning to understand a little about the engine behind Sea, right. And how he's making the waves that he is. Okay. That being said, you've worked on through multiple industries. You've worked on, of course, one of the most interesting things that when we had this conversation you were telling me about was, of course, working on Internet radio. And I can't help but think that there are so many correlations between when you're working on a new project in Web3 and having looked back and seen the kind of community that you've built earlier. Right. What are some of the differences, what are some of the challenges when it comes to looking at community building and getting people to plug into the music you're playing?

16:13

JP

Of course, I don't mean that liberally, I mean from your upcoming projects, your upcoming passion that you're sharing at this point. And we haven't got to that yet, but I'm going to dive into that.

16:27

Sea

17:36

Sea

But I threw everything at it. So it was Universal Metropolis. It was the idea of a universal city and a universal metropolis where everybody was welcome and everybody could be a part sort of like some utopian dream. But what's in a city? Everything's in a city. We had radio. We had city radio. And that was, UMFM, we had a magazine, like an E-Zine, where then people that posted in the forum, I could click a button and publish it to the article. We had to economics before Tokens. So if your article was published, you would get, say, 20 dollars. We had avatars that my girlfriend at the time would design, and you could spend your dollars on that. We had a transportation system. We had live virtual events before all the VR stuff. And because it was so, I guess, imaginary or imaginative and different and cutting edge back then, people were very inclined to check us out and sign up and get involved.

18:37

Sea

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Sea

If I can recreate what I'd already done with, say, monetization and learning all the enabling, all the business lessons that I'd learned, I thought, wow, I could do pretty well. But the thing is, the authenticity wasn't the same. And also six, seven years later, it was already starting to get oversaturated. Like Myspace was huge and Facebook was, that was, I guess that was a lesson learned. We can't just recreate sort of the successes of the past and also the motivation behind it can be quite apparent, I think.

20:25

JP

Yeah, I would think yes. That certainly is interesting to you. When you look at the story arc of how did it work in one place at one time with a group, with a community. And when you try to replicate that across to other communities in different places, it's not always going to be the same. There is going to be some taking away from the lesson that you've just shared. There is going to be a large amount of difference. There's going to be different factors that come into play. And Pivoting, of course, to create that success is going to be maybe requiring a new approach, for example, different understanding for another. Don't expect that the same formula is going to work every single time.

21:20

Sea

Exactly, yeah.

21:22

JP

Okay.

21:24

Sea

Right now, trying to organically develop a community for Legacy, one of the projects we'll talk about later. Right now I'm at a very patient mode where it's Vipassana meditation perhaps, but I'm observing a lot. I'm very patient before I make any critical moves and to trying to, like you just told, start a community, you just need to focus on this and that. Again, that's formulaic that maybe works generally, but it's not going to work in each individual case study. So I think true communities that are going to last time and they've got to have this authentic soul that unites people for reasons that probably are related to passions and definitely to interest, but those things can't be forced. I don't think you could throw a ton of money at it, maybe for marketing, but if people come and step inside and they don't really like what they see, they're not going to stick around.

22:25

Sea

So I think community building is a long term game. If you've got long term intentions for your community.

22:35

JP

When it comes to, of course, new avenues that you've got to check, new people that you've got to see, new regions that you've got to explore, all of that comes into the space. And that's one of the things that we've been learning constantly wherever it comes to any initiative. But speaking of initiatives, Sea, tell us a little about Legacy.

22:56

Sea

So Legacy is a fully web3 blockchain project. It spawned out of a dear old friend's concept called Memtel, which is based on memory telling. And his story was that his grandfather, who had dementia, was unable to communicate with any of the family and then my friend Jono was hanging out at the old age home, showed him a couple of photographs, and that unlocked this spark that opened up the grandfather to share the story behind the photograph. So Jono would show him, like, what's this? Who was this? When was this? And the bonding experience that had otherwise escaped them, I guess, their lives together and the knowledge about the family and the roots. It was a very special time for Jono, and a few months later, his grandfather died, and he's so grateful that he was able to extract those memories. So Jono sort of committed the last ten years of his life to trying to make a venture out of capturing these memories while people are still alive and our loved ones are here to share them.

24:11

Sea

25:15

Sea

And then when they pass, everything is gone with them. Some of them maybe, etch their thoughts in journals or books, but that's still on materials that will fall apart from nature or be thrown out and that sort of thing. And it's such an opportunity at this point in history to be able to finally capture all of this and then to put it on a system where perhaps these memories can be preserved forever and forever, obviously, depending on environmental, social, political, natural, everything. So that's what Legacy is, officially. It's about preserving memoirs forever. So the stories and the memories are told through writing and memoirs, but the platform is being set up to handle all sorts of media and related experiences, institutions, personal memoirs, professional memoirs.

26:12

JP

Well, I think that's brilliant, because in so many ways, right, it knits together the fabric of family once again. There isn't always the I mean, you could look through photos and reminisce about the time, but to be able to tell the story and have an audience to that story who connect with that's, of course, something that can be preserved. The more that can be preserved, the more value that it has, because these human stories very often get lost.

26:48

Sea

They very often do. And if we look at the entirety of history has been written by the rich, the powerful and the privileged. Back in the day, they would have the resources to hire writers to tell their story and to share their accolades. But knowing what we know now is thinking how much of that actually is true, or if they just paid their writer to make this stuff up. And that all of the history that we know is based on that one thing. On the family connection. I'm not close with my family, but this is that sort of project which is and for other people in a similar situation, it's a great opportunity to reconnect with family members and to try to sort of bolster relationships that might not otherwise be there. Breaking the ice with oh, hey, let's have this project together. We look through photos, share experiences, and we're seeing the benefits of that.

27:45

Sea

One more point on the knowledge sharing as well that I think is one of the most impactful parts of legacy is, okay, so the concept of the Permaweb where things are saved forever with quotes around it. The immutable nature of blockchain records so that they're tamper proof. You can't edit them, theoretically, you can't censor them, although we know there's ways around at least blocking access to things. But I'll give a couple of examples. One project will be around the fall of the Berlin Wall. While the survivors and witnesses are still alive, we can do a campaign where people share their perspectives of what happened on that time, which could lead to an augmented reality walking map, city walking tours. And whether we agree with the perspectives or not, that's important that this person believed what they saw or wanted to share what they saw and that's put up.

28:47

Sea

29:59

JP

Exactly. I mean, considering there are so many engines that work towards I'm not going to call it just misinformation or propaganda. Right. But towards creating a very different perspective. It's always better that you have a perspective that comes all around any given Sunday, whether you like the point of view or you don't like the point of view. It's important to have more than one point of view on a topic. And it's exactly like you're saying, history is written so much by those that write them. Right. Or the victors of these events, as opposed to a collective perspective which considers what both sides had a viewpoint on.

30:44

Sea

Absolutely. Yeah.

30:47

JP

Fair enough. What makes me curious at this point of time is how do you pick these projects to work on? I don't know if you do, you wake up in the morning, squeeze some orange juice and say, hey, throw a dart at something on a paper and say, hey today, this is what I'm going to work on. Or is there more method to that madness? How do you choose the projects that you want to work on?

31:11

Sea

How do I choose a project? Well, excellent question. Yeah, definitely. Like I mentioned earlier, that I'm more slow and methodical now. I'm a lot more patient, and especially projects that I've picked over the last couple of years. I wait and I listen to the various sensations in my body for any questions or concerns or if I get stressed about thinking in an idea, then there's something there that I need to look deeper into. I'm offered interesting projects all the time. It almost feels like almost every day, right? I think I'm overworked at the moment. I think I don't have enough time to take more things on so that anything that I would consider, I have to think, wow, this would be time is the most valuable thing that any of us have. And I really have acknowledged that in the last few years. So first it's got to be worth the time to put into it and do it properly.

32:20

Sea

I don't want to take on projects that I'm sort of half committed to because I think that's a waste of time for everybody and it's depressing to the self. So I guess it comes back to that passion, that interest and time. There's a lot of projects probably really cool and that could have been very successful, that just because the timing wasn't right or the time put into it would be too substantial. I don't think that would be worthwhile to progress. But yeah, I don't know if that answers it. That was an excellent question. I definitely don't throw darts at a board and say, okay, I'm going to do Legacy this year.

33:09

JP

Well, fair enough. At some point of time, I think you've learned what a lot of us are still learning to do, and that's the ability to say no. But more importantly, I think your system of listening to your body as you said, or in other words, trust your gut, trust your intuition. A project has to feel right for you to commit so much time and energy into it. And I think that is what I would take away from your method.

33:42

Sea

That's right. And again, maybe Vipassana has really helped with that observation and being able to feel these sensations. But I've done this thing for the last few years that I have like a DAO vote or I ask an opinion from my brain, my heart and my gut, and then if two of them are saying something, then I need to listen to that. Because often we follow the heart and the brain is saying no, and the instinct is saying no, and we go ahead and do it anyway. Consequently, something might seem very intellectually realistic, but if your heart's not in it and your instinct is it might be a waste of time or something like that, I think that's good to at least listen to those sensations for sure and be honest with yourself. Absolutely.

34:37

JP

I think you just activated around four chakras over there. I mean, for those of you that believe in it. But I'm certain I know for a fact that between those four points there's four chakras. You're activating if you're listening to these three inputs before you make a decision on something.

34:57

Sea

Definitely.

35:00

JP

Okay, see, moving to some of the input that you've shared before. Right. What do you see as one of the biggest risks when it comes to these emerging techs? Because you've worked on it from a whole arc, having your first computer, the and the FM initiative that you had, moving to music in what you've done, as well as now the Legacy project and the few upcoming ones that we'll scratch the surface on in a few minutes. But what are some of the risks that you see and some of the dangers in emerging projects also, considering that you've been across multiple continents to add to that perspective?

35:52

Sea

Yeah, I guess that's been one advantage, is that I've been able to go to six continents and understand some of the more pressing local issues and the reactions to technology and social systems and the state of the world. So, look, whatever anyone's perspective is on how the world is run and what sort of future we're heading towards right now, we're at a very pivotal stage of humanity where all these emerging massive technologies are coming out. Regulation is happening strongly, at least on what started this whole movement for now, which is cryptocurrency. And I think the rest of them are going to follow suit. We're seeing advances in artificial intelligence, machine learning, and then how that's going to interact with systems like quantum computing. Right. The risks are well, the abuse of power of those who create the systems is the first. The second is well, there's quite a lot actually, so let's say on so governments especially.

37:08

Sea

Well, here in India, the government is petrified of crypto because I think they can really see its disruptive potential. So we see these CBDCs as sort of an alternative. I think many of them will be based on blockchain, I think some of them won't be. And countries are making the mistake of doing it all themselves. They're consulting globally, but we might have 160 different CBDCs and we don't know if they're going to interact together any of that. But the risk of that is that if all our cash is going to be in one of these systems and a centralized sort of government controlled thing is that then our money can be shut off at any time. And things like, I guess, access to any of this stuff, the Permaweb or this immutable content, we know that DNS networks and IPS and ISPs our access can still be cut off.

38:09

Sea

But the biggest risk to me is in programmable bias. So that these machine learning systems, artificial intelligence systems, they get their data from whoever puts it in there. And we've seen count examples of bias first in society. We know it because we know from prejudice and racism and sexism and homophobia and all these things, there's an inherent bias in society that's existed for hundreds of thousands of years through just how humanity has kind of evolved. But now we're progressing these systems into digital ruling of this with programmable bias as well. I don't know if we should get into any of the examples of should I give some specific examples?

39:01

JP

Sure, go ahead.

39:02

Sea

Okay. One is so everyone's familiar with ChatGPT by now. So somebody did a test where they said, write me a poem about Donald Trump and ChatGPT responded and say, no, I'm just an AI. I can't take political sides, I'm trying to be fair and blah, blah, blah. Okay, nice. Great answer. And then the person entered, write me a flowery poem about Joe Biden. And ChatGPT comes up with this mega long epic poem about trampling through the daisies and light shining out of everywhere in him and stuff like that. But what hypocrisy is that you're telling one thing for one sort of person or subject matter and then you're absolutely contradicting yourself for somebody else. So a political bias was programmed into that, which is quite worrying. Another example. I don't know what site this was done on, but if you typed professional hair into an image search engine and you get all these ladies with this very manicured hair, very that sort of politician hair where it's a little over the top and then you type in unprofessional hair and then you get a whole bunch of other sort of hairstyles.

40:30

Sea

But the big difference is, professional hair is Caucasian women and unprofessional hair are African American women. So who did that? Somebody programmed that into it. And another one, the thing that scares me the most and has been off the radar. But look, we're entering a new era of war in society. It's about to escalate. And then you think of all these trillions that have been spent on military systems. They don't just spend trillions to pack them away in a warehouse. They're designed to be used. And so it looks like they're going to start using these things. But what's very scary is these autonomous weapon robots that they're already on the streets. They're in Hawaii. They're in California. They're across the US. They're in Israel, and they are also programmed with bias. So if you think knowing the history of America, or enough of it to know about segregation and the massive racism and slavery that was there, programmable bias means these machines are going to go around to these particular neighborhoods and have a different opinion, I guess you could call it, on whether somebody is of one race or the other.

42:01

Sea

And the scary thing is that these machines have the license and the permission to shoot to kill. That really scares me. First off, we're going to have these autonomous weapons just all over the place. Like drones are going to follow you, then these robot dogs are going to hunt you down. But if you happen to be in a place where the bias is sort of not friendly to you, that's going to be that is really frightening to me. But what can we do about that? It would be nice for open information and open source systems and open data, but that's quite unlikely in sort of a military context as well.

42:49

JP

Well, that's of course, one part of it. I know all of us maybe are not designed to be programmers or engineers in that front. And it's scary exactly like you're saying. Right. It's extremely scary to know that you could have programmable bias in anything. I mean, if this is life threatening, there could be other avenues which may not be as evident. So, for example, if you go to an ATM and you may not have access to your money because your video, your camera recognize you as a different person in a different place. Irrespective right. And that is also something that would be extremely restricting to any group of people, no matter what race you have or skin color or what hairstyle you wear. Right. And it's so many of these biases that are coming into society today because we're so reliant on machines. Now, on the other end of that spectrum, Sea, what do you think is some of the things that we as a society can do or should do to alleviate that?

44:04

Sea

I think the first thing is awareness. And most of the planet is very easily distracted by just common like news, entertainment scandals, phone notifications, paying rent, working hard enough, social obligations, hormones, all these things. And then there's so much misinformation and hyper normalization out there that now I don't think people even know what to think. And it's softened the blow of everything that you could have the worst scandal ever come out. And we've seen a lot of big things, sort of admitted in the last few years as well. And I think people are just numb to it now. So one, people don't really know what to think, but two is we've seen very little evidence that society is willing to stand up and rise and make a difference or really make changes happen. And I think that's why these things continue to happen. So this is why right now is such a critical moment for humanity.

45:07

Sea

That before these emerging technologies come out, before the war escalates, before regulation is locked down on us. And that if there's a way to make our voices heard. If people have the connections or the influence to at least get this awareness out, I think because everything sort of starts with that, I think that's a really good start. But if you are a programmer, if you are a founder, if you are a leader, you have this opportunity to make the future of the world a better place by using your influence to improve the systems. And so if you're developing something, it would be good to remember the human element of it because sure, cash is excellent and autonomous systems are convenient if they work, but really understand the risks and dangers that if this system, especially if it was able to self-teach itself and sort of run itself.

46:02

Sea

Like what are the risks and dangers of what we're working on? How could they be used or used? And why are we developing systems to be completely autonomous when at the end of the day technology is here to enable and assist humans, not to replace or annihilate us.

46:25

JP

100% with you on that one Sea, because it is a very scary picture and the quicker we become aware of it, the quicker we should do something about it. I'm not going to say that we can, but we should do something about it to eliminate these biases that will come into a machine that's just programmed is given a set of rules to work on in a particular direction. And it has to be fair, it has to be neutral and it has to be objective. Because if that's not the case, then what are we really doing for ourselves?

47:02

Sea

For sure. Absolutely.

47:08

JP

Well, interestingly though, when we're having this discussion, one of the things that then comes to mind is what do you see this trend taking? Do you see that we'll be able to break free from this mold? Are we just moving in a direction that's going to be self-imploding in a sense? What are your thoughts?

47:36

Sea

I think we still at critical mass, could make an impact. But there's going to be a point of courage for each and every one of us out there that if we have the opportunity to do or say something, then this might be our chance in the world to take that and to do it and to take that breath and have that courage. And one of us alone is not going to make any impact, but in the great quantity of people could definitely make some changes before they happen. Keeping in mind that there have been a lot of movements over the last 15 years to try to quash everything from the banking sector with the Occupy movement. And Canadian truckers sure had a go this time last year. But media control is very strong. And these systems of power are they've been set up for decades, if not centuries.

48:28

Sea

And they always seem one step ahead of us, probably. They've probably been using AI and all this a lot more than for a lot longer. So what can we do? I think it just comes down. Be safe, be happy, live in the moment, be aware of the risk. And if there's a chance to unite, to make change, then we can do it.

48:53

JP

Yeah, well, I'm certain right now the listeners on the show have become aware and I'd like to ask all the audience that are in the room and those that are going to listen to this podcast later as well, make that change today. Make a commitment, raise your voice when you see an issue that is like this. We have to do away with programmable bias. It's going to shape the future in a way that we don't want it, that's for sure.

49:24

Sea

That's right.

49:27

JP

Super. Okay, so see, I know that we're coming close on time, but I still want to get two questions in, right? So the first one is, of course, what are some of the other projects that you have lined up? And I know that you've got one initiative that's going to be really rolled out in you getting people together for this. Tell us a little about this new project that's coming up.

49:50

Sea

Okay, so this is related to your last two questions or your last two batches of what? What can we do about this? We've through Goa Music Lab and a couple of international partners, we're creating this collaborative art exhibition called Robots and Animals, which is peacefully, non-confrontationally, depicting visions of future humanity and society based on where emerging technologies could go. And it could be utopian, it could be dystopian, you don't even need to express it, but you don't need to say it specifically. But this art project, we want to see the warnings, the risks, the benefits, the conveniences, the pathways to the future based on all this technology that's coming out and how this is related to your previous question about do I throw a dartboard at dart at projects and stuff. This is a project that I stressed about thinking about because first off, I'm super busy and I don't write, just I put my all into my projects and this is going to be a fairly big one, I think, and it's going to take over the course of the year.

51:06

Sea

We're going to do a prototype stage here over the next month for the first one. And then by the end of the year, we should have all of the submitted artwork from around the world. But a stress about knowing how much work and effort is going to be. On the flip side, I realized that this is my opportunity in my life to try to make an impact in the most peaceful and constructive way that I can. And through my work with legacy and my foot in the door to these major technology chains and companies and the industry, I think that there is an opportunity to make a legitimate social impact, and that's what's driving me to push it. So if you're an artist or a developer or a founder or just generally interested, the website is Robotsanimals.com. The name of the campaign is Robotsandanimals. We're pushing through Goa music lab.

52:06

Sea

This has sort of been a warm up month, so submissions to do with your vision of the future of humanity. And we're going to, by the end of the year, have DAO System, a treasury that rewards the artists and participants 100% everything's open source and transparent, and at the same time helping onboard artists who are very skeptical of this technology to show them that it's not just risks and dangers and fears. There's actually a lot of benefits of them embracing technology and using things like AI as tools, not as threats, and reminding programmers and developers at the same time what it means to be human through art.

52:45

JP

Okay, all right, so where do I go to find out more details about this?

52:49

Sea

So Goa Music Lab is excellent because we're driving it from here for robots and animals specifically. There's a website with an early form@robotsanimals.com.

53:06

JP

No, if there's something else, go ahead.

53:10

Sea

I didn't want to mention Instagram, but that's where Goa Music Lab is mainly based. At the moment, we're still waiting for Web3 successors to be mature enough to use them instead.

53:22

JP

Epic. Okay. All right, so we know where it is that we can go. And please, ladies and gentlemen, check out Robot and Animals. Am I saying that right? Robot and animals.

53:35

Sea

The project is Robotsandanimals and the domain is Robotsanimals.com.

53:40

JP

Robotsanimals.com. Okay, perfect. Great. See, we're coming to the end of the show, but there's two parts, two more things that I really want to ask you. The first one is the technology trends that you're seeing in the space that you are, because I know that there are more projects that you will keep an eye on through this point in the industry. Where do you see the industry moving over the next five years? Five to ten year horizon.

54:11

Sea

Okay, so, well, we're going through a little shakeout at the moment, which I think if we refer everything to how the crypto market is doing, everything's going to crash a bit and then we're undoubtedly going to have another Bull Run at some point. But I guess what that means is that while everyone's busy developing now by that next, say, Bull Run, where it's probably going to be the first global mainstream audience adopting Web3, that's hopefully easier to log on to. That's, I think, going to be the explosion for Web3. But first we need a lot more usable apps and obviously easier onboarding. But once this becomes a part of everyday's lives, it's going to change life for everybody from decentralized ID, to storage, to access control, to rights management, reforming taxation. And I think it's going to be a very exciting time as long as technology is used for the good and the rest of the world issues are.

55:16

JP

I'm sorry, I think I've lost sound for a second.

55:20

Sea

Okay, I'm here. I hear you.

55:29

JP

Hey, there you are. I think I can hear you now.

55:32

Sea

Okay, I don't know where I cut off.

55:36

JP

My net connection. My team is telling me that the sound was good. I missed that part, but if you shared it and the audience has heard you, then, yeah, that's all good.

55:46

Sea

Okay. It's an amazing decade ahead. It truly is. And I think it's going to be the biggest decade of our lives to date, and it's going to be largely driven by this technology in every aspect of our lives, for better or for worse.

56:01

JP

Wow. Fingers crossed, of course, every one of us is looking forward to exciting times ahead. My last question before we wrap up the show. And usually I know that we have questions from the audience, but, ladies and gentlemen, we're at the end of the show. So I'm going to ask you to put those questions into AdLunam Inc. and our speaker directly, and we'll take them up so we can send answer back to you. But right now, Sea, what I really want to know is what's your personal philosophy and what keeps you going?

56:31

Sea

My personal philosophy, well, to make the most of the time that we've been gifted, it's a very special window of life, an impossibility that any of us are here, and to learn and experience and do the best we can while we have it. So that comes back to living in the moment, moving towards the future that you feel in your heart is what you want to be doing what is safe and what you think will make you happy. And, yeah, I think it's really just time is valuable. Make the most of it.

57:09

JP

Time is valuable indeed. Sea, thank you so much for sharing some of your time with us today. I hope you've had as much fun on the show as I did.

57:17

Sea

Yes, it was awesome. I'm really privileged and honored to be a part of the show and invited into the community. So thank you very much for having me and for everybody who's listening.

57:29

JP

Sea, Thank you. Thank you once again, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in to this program, to this episode of Diving into Crypto. We will be back next week at the same time and of course at the same place. Don't forget to tune in to our sister show, which is the Future of NFTs, hosted by Nadja Bester, the co-founder of AdLunam. And for those of you, whichever time zone that you are, have a great day. Cheers.