00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:23 Spicy Edition: Song of Solomon

00:43 Controversial Image of Trump and Jesus

01:57 Christian Nationalism and Trump

07:46 Upcoming Church Event: Rangers Game

09:58 Diving into the Song of Solomon

10:22 Authorship Debate: Solomon or Not?

12:23 Interpretations of the Song of Solomon

13:35 Literal vs. Allegorical Views

15:07 The Importance of Marital Love

18:10 Plot Structure and Interpretive Challenges

22:31 Practical Advice for Reading the Song of Solomon

24:10 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Happy communion Sunday.

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We're glad that you're tuning

in for another episode of

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the daily Bible podcast.

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Rod: Spicy addition,

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PJ: spicy edition.

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Rod: The flames next to

today's podcast title.

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Because today's going to

be some spicy conversation.

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Yeah, I guess.

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We're talking about the Bible.

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We are talking

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PJ: about the Bible.

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Rod: It's just going to be in

a spicy section of the Bible.

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PJ: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Unaware.

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We're talking about a

song of Solomon today.

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Rod: The song of Solomon.

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PJ: Yep.

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Or the song

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Rod: dedicated to Solomon

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PJ: either way.

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Rod: I'm one of those two, one

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PJ: of those

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Rod: before we get there

before I have a question.

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Okay.

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On the Facebook on the Facebook.

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Yes.

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Some people will post things like that.

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Let me quote, um, let me just describe

to you and then I'll quote it to you.

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There's a, there's a picture of Trump.

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Uh, prior president Donald Trump, our

president, Donald Trump sitting at a desk,

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presumably in the oval office with the.

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An American flag behind him and

right behind him is as a man.

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Presumably Jesus.

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With both hands on Trump's shoulders.

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He's kind of, it's kind

of a, theorial like a.

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Because he could see through him.

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It looks like Jesus.

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It looks like Jesus is praying for him.

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And Trump is holding his hand

with a holding Jesus' hand by

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kind of crossing his shoulder.

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Crossing his chest,

putting it on Jesus' hand.

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And on the caption, it says,

strengthen him, Lord, send legions

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of angels to protect him father.

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Now this happened, of

course, after Trump was con.

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Uh, it was convicted guilty in

a, in one of the New York courts.

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Uh, people are upset about it.

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Lots of people have opinions

about it, whether or not it's

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even legal in the first place.

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Albert Mohler.

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In his briefing podcast.

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Talked a little bit about this as well.

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Um, how do we handle stuff like this?

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Is this, uh, something

that we should feel.

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Should we, should we have pictures

like this on our Facebook?

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Um, what do we do with this?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um,

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It's not an answer by the way.

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Yeah,

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PJ: no, I know that's not an answer.

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Okay.

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Listen.

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Rod: Uh, if it was

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PJ: a horse audience, maybe

they would understand that

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they would have understood.

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Perfectly.

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Enough said.

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Um, yeah, listen.

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Uh, you've heard us say

this before on the podcast.

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I'm going to say it again and

I'll see it until the day I die.

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We are not Israel.

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2.0 here in the United States of America.

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So, uh, this is not as though there's

a Davidic ruler who has been unjustly

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imprisoned than we need to all of a

sudden think that Jesus is somehow.

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Uh, you know, grieving over

the state of, of Donald Trump

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being convicted of his felonies.

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Um, I appreciate it.

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Mueller's perspective on it.

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More talks just politically and said,

look, and if you haven't listened

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to it, I'd encourage you to go back

and listen to some of the episodes

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of the briefing, uh, recently where

he's been addressing these things.

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He said, look, there's,

there's two facets to this.

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Number one is dealing with charges

being brought against a former

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president of the United States and

the dangerous precedent that that

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sets for our nation in our country.

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If, if the judicial system is weaponized

and becomes a political pond, Uh, by what

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whichever party happens to be an office.

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That's the one thing the second

thing Mueller said is look, If

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he's guilty, then he's guilty.

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And, and that needs to be brought out in

and justice should be done on that front.

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Uh,

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It's not the, the topic.

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for us today to decide whether or

not Donald Trump is guilty of the

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things that he'd been convicted of.

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Here's where I'm going to draw the line.

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Listen, we are not, we are

not let me emphasize this.

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And I can't emphasize it enough

because it is kind of a growing trend.

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We are not Christian nationalists.

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Our goal is not to take our nation and

make it a Christian nation and somehow

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restore this utopian ideal of the founding

fathers and what they had for our nation.

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If God brings revival to our nation

and in the church has a louder voice.

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And.

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It curbs some of the immorality

that's that's going on here.

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Praise God.

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Yes.

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We should pray for those things and, and,

and do our part to pursue those things.

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But our ultimate goal is not, uh, the,

the elevation of the United States to

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the, this, this paradigm of, uh, what

it means to be a Christian nation.

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Again, we are not Israel.

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2.0.

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The the, the biblical storyline

is, is trending in one direction.

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And that is ultimately to, uh, the

rapture of the church, the rise

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of the antichrist, the seven year

tribulation period, the return of Jesus.

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Uh, and the defeat of Satan

and the inauguration in the

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millennial kingdom, that that's our

understanding of where we're going

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between now and in the end of time.

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Um, and so along those lines, We

are here to push back the darkness

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to be salt and light and to do

the best that we can in that.

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Uh, Trump is not our savior.

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Um, Trump is not our Savior's ambassador.

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So there's a difference between praying

for our leaders, which we are committed

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and exhorted to do in scripture

and taking it to the, to the next

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level of saying, somehow we need to.

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Uh, spiritualize Trump or canonized.

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Trump is some sort of a Saint.

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Uh, in the United States here

and pin all of our hopes and

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dreams of America, recovering.

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Uh, and being okay.

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And us being okay as a church on this

man, Donald Trump, who let's just be Frank

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and honest, if we can, believers, uh,

is, is not the most upstanding individual

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as far as his morality or even his views

on some things as he's been backpedaling

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on things that we would want to see.

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Uh, supported, like he's been softening

his stance on abortion and some

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other things here, because at the

end of the day, he's not about Jesus.

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He's about getting elected and

sitting in the oval office.

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Rod: Is there anything wrong

then supposing that the other

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person's listening saying?

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Yeah, of course.

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Of course everything you're saying.

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Double check that.

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Yeah, I'm all about that.

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But.

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Uh, he is our best hope right now.

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Um, not that he's our only

hope or our greatest hope

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even, but he's our best hope.

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To return some kind of

sanity to the oval office.

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And so loca.

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I pray for him.

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I think it's good that other Christians

pray for him and ask God to protect him.

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Because if, if he sidelined and we

get another four years of the current

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guy in the office, then man things are

just going to get from bad to worse.

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This is not pinning our hopes on him.

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This is just a way to say, look,

we should be supporting him by

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praying for him that minimum.

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Um, maybe you don't like the picture and

you just, you know, an old curmudgeon

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cause you went to master seminary.

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Uh, anything wrong with that?

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If someone's like, Hey, I agree

with you, but there's my position.

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I think we should pray for him.

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I think we should make sure that he's

going back to the office if we can.

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PJ: Yeah, no, I that's.

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I'm I'm for that, I think.

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At the end of the day, voting

the lesser of two evils.

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Uh, is, is really the position that

we're in any time we're facing an

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election, because as you often say,

Uh, the best of men or men at best.

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Um, and, and so no matter what

it is, we're going to have a

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situation where we vote voting for

a sinful and flawed individual.

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And I think there is something to.

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Us looking at, at our desire to be

effective as the church and to continue

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to have the freedoms that we have as the

church, to be able to reach the lost and

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see, like I was talking about earlier,

the, the darkness being pushed back

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and even revival coming to our nation.

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And to say, okay, I think this candidate

puts us in a better position as a church

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to, to see that those ends maintained and

reached then does the other candidate?

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Yeah, I'm a hundred percent for that.

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I think that that is right.

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And that is good and that's appropriate.

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And that's, that's a good thing

for us to do as believers.

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But I do think there is a faction

within the church that has somehow

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Christianized Trump and made

him this emblem of Christianity.

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And I think we need to stare, uh, The, uh,

the spade in the face and called a spade.

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He, he's not a believer.

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He is made that abundantly clear

through his actions and through

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his, his words and in, through you

know, who he is as an individual.

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And we can't try to somehow

cover over that just because he.

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You know, fliers the red flag

rather than the blue flag,

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when it comes election season.

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We need to understand that, that

this is a man with, with, uh, with

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deep seated flaws and, and sin.

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And as a church, as much as we

would say, Hey, we would rather

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have him in the oval office.

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I get that.

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I understand that.

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But at the end of the

day, we also need to say.

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You know what he's he's, he's

not somebody that we need to hold

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up as a paradigm of, of morality

and think that somehow Jesus is.

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Is super happy with this man or this

individual, because he's put conservative

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justices on the Supreme court.

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I don't think that holds up.

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Rod: Right.

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He's also no longer pro-life

so there's that exactly

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PJ: right.

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Rod: Yeah.

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PJ: Yeah.

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So you didn't tune in today for

political commentary, but you've got

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some anyways and you may disagree with.

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Rod: Yeah, we're not going

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PJ: to charge you for that.

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Yeah.

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We won't charge you for that.

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Yeah.

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Um, Hey, uh, on a lighter note

tomorrow night, we're going to be

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at the Rangers game with a church.

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Wow.

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Rod: That's going to be cool.

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Your

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PJ: first ever texted from your team

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Rod: first ever tech.

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I mean, I am.

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Um, I'm giddy.

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Yes, I've got, we've got our compass

shirts that are the ranger colors.

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I can't wait to sport that.

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Yep.

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This is going to be great.

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And because it's inside.

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It doesn't matter what the weather

does right out of the elements.

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So better, so much better than what

we had at the angel stadium, the angel

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stadium that you got baked in the sun.

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And that, that one section, if you, if

you were on, what was it, if you're on.

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Uh, east west.

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So at east side, if you're on the

east side, I guess, depending on

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the time of year too, you got baked

there's sections where you just

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got hammered and it was the worst.

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PJ: Yep.

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Rod: This is going to be so much better.

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I can't will be.

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PJ: It's going to be great.

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Yeah.

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So we're excited about that.

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We were actually taking 90

people to the Rangers game,

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Rod: basically, your whole.

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PJ: It's close, man.

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I mean, it's, it's uh,

when you consider that.

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Percentage.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, it should be a great time.

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Good time.

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First day, first annual

first one first annual.

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It's going to be every year.

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Yeah, we're going to do, why not?

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We did an angel.

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Rod: The Cowboys.

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PJ: That's a lot more expensive.

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We should, we should just give it a shot.

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See how it goes.

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Parking a cowboy statements, 50 bucks

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Rod: I'll park at the

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PJ: ranger stadium.

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Rod: A lot to the cowboy

stadium with my family.

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PJ: Yeah.

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We should try the Cowboys.

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I think people would like that too.

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Well, I also would like us to go and see

a win for the home team and I just don't.

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That's going to happen with beggars.

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Can't be choosers

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Rod: sports.

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And you live next to one of the Cowboys.

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So we owe it to them to support them as

one of your neighbors live next to you.

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That's that's, that's bold.

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You live in the same community

as one of the CA at least

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PJ: one, there could be more than one.

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His girlfriend.

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I think she almost hit me backing out of

that driveway the other day, because you

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hadn't been to one of their games yet.

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Right?

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It gets around and I moved my car,

but then I thought to myself, well,

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maybe I shouldn't have moved my car.

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I mean.

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Who knows like, Hey, I'll overlook this.

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If you come to my church next weekend.

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Right?

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And fund a building deck.

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That'd be great.

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Yeah.

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Rod: Oh, Hey, don't.

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PJ: Don't docs, don't docs and docs,

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Rod: and the guy already.

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No, I

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PJ: didn't say where he is.

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Rod: Yeah.

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I said he was a neighbor.

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So now people know he's

one of your neighbors.

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PJ: He doesn't live on my street.

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Let me just put it that way.

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Okay.

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He's a neighbor in the sense that

he lives in the same neighborhood.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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I'm literally on the other side

of the tracks from where he is.

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There are train tracks.

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I'm on the other sub docs.

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All right.

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Hey, uh, let's get to the Bible.

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Let's do that song of Solomon.

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Sometimes you'll hear this

referred to you or you'll see it

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in the Bible of song of songs.

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Um, and that is like, when we

talk about the holy of Holies,

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it's a Hebrew idiom to talk about.

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This is the, the, the greatest of

all, um, the most song of all songs.

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So, uh, but in, in the ESV,

at least it's song of Solomon.

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And I think that, uh, even though.

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Right there.

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We need to start there.

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Maybe.

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Because.

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The question is, well,

what does that mean?

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Because if you begin reading this,

what you quickly find out is that

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the main voice in this book is

not the voice of Solomon, but the

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voice of this Schuler, my woman.

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Um, and so did Solomon, right?

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This church tradition,

church history for long time.

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Has taught that this is accredited

to Solomonic authorship.

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When you talk about the books

of Solomon, you'll talk about,

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uh, the book of Proverbs.

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You'll talk about the song of Solomon.

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You'll talk about Ecclesiastics.

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All of those are, are

attributed to Solomon.

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And yet when we read the song of

Solomon, it seems like maybe there's

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a different author and this could

be instead of, uh, his authorship, a

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book that was instead dedicated to him

because he seems to be the subject here.

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Uh, that he is the one that is in

view as the desirable one, that

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the male character in the book.

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Uh, there's, there's three characters.

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The third character being

the chorus, the people.

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Um, Of the towns that that

character kind of shifts, but

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there's the Shulamite woman.

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And then the, the, the male, the

individual, the king, and that appears to

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be Solomon from our best understanding.

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Rod: So basically it's cuts to

it comes down to this church.

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Tradition says this is Solomon song.

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It's not just dedicated to Solomon.

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It is written by Solomon.

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Although there is good reasons to

suspect that maybe it's not his.

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Uh, and if it's not his, is that an N.

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Unorthodox position.

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Am I allowed to believe that?

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Is that changed anything about

the scripture's authority

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or its intention at all?

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What do you say?

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PJ: Yeah, no, I don't, I don't

think it changes that because

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it doesn't have this ascribed.

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Uh, it says in verse one, the song of

songs, which is Solomon's, but even there.

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Yeah, they give us enough

to be either way, right?

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It could be, this is Solomon's in

the sense that, you know, I wrote

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this song was written about him.

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And so it belongs to him in that

sense, or it could be this as Solomon's

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and that he is the author behind it.

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I don't, I don't think this is a

hill for us to die on as Christians.

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If you have a Christian who says, I

think this was just dedicated to Solomon.

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That's fine.

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If you have another Christian,

this is, I think Solomon wrote it.

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Great.

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Awesome.

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You guys can sit together next to

each other in church and talk about.

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Take communion.

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Rod: I just happening today at church.

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So, okay.

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Second thing then, um, Church

history is somewhat divided

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about how to understand this.

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Yup.

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So one of the ways that people approach

it is by saying this is a, this is an

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analogy between God's love or it's meant

to convey rather God's love for Israel.

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And so God is the husband.

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Israel is the bride.

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His love for her is like this.

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Others would say, no, this is

meant to be understood as a,

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as a literal piece of poetry.

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I think it's funny to put those

two words together, literal

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and poetry, but it's poetic.

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But it conveys a real situation between

somebody, two people, Solomon and the

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Shulamite woman, and it conveys real love.

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So this is marital love on display.

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God blesses us.

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He desires this.

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He wants this between husband and wife.

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And so what's here for that purpose.

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There was another camp.

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Uh, that would also say,

well, yeah, good starts.

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But it's fulfillment is

in Christ in the church.

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This actually points to Jesus'

love for his bride, the church.

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And the others are whoever they are.

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It's.

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This is really ultimately being

fulfilled in Christ Allah.

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What you read in, uh, in the gospel

of Luke, where he says, Jesus goes to

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the text descriptors and says, Hey,

all of this, this is really about me.

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So, uh, three positions, three,

three general ways to approach it.

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Uh, pastor PJ, what do you say we do?

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PJ: Yeah.

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There is grounds for all three.

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Um, God refers to Israel as

a bride in, uh, in the old

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Testament, in the prophetic works.

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Israel is often depicted as the bride

that God takes an in Buttrose to himself.

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In fact, the whole book of Hosea is

built upon that imagery there that

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God had with Israel to himself.

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She was an unfaithful wife and

God continued to pursue her.

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So.

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To see that.

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That allegorical emphasis

here being God and Israel.

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There's grounds for it.

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There.

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It's not without a probability

or possibility plausibility.

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That's the word I'm looking for?

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Uh, same with, with Christ in the

church, uh, is certainly the, the imagery

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there that, uh, in Ephesians chapter

five, when Paul says all of this is a

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mystery, but what I'm saying is that

this refers to Christ and the church.

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And he's been talking about husbands and

wives in the marriage relationship there.

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Even when we fast forward to the book

of revelation, we have the marriage

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supper of the lamb, where the.

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The PR the bride is the church.

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We are the bride and in

Jesus is the bridegroom.

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And so the intimacy of the relationship

between the husband and wife could

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potentially be allegorizing in, in

here in the book of song of Solomon

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and applied to Christ in the church.

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Eh, but that, that middle view as,

as you laid them all out, which

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is just that this is literal.

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That's the view that, that, um,

that I lean on most heavily.

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Uh, I agree with your, uh, with, with.

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You're pointing out the, the Luke

24 passage, when Jesus said to

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all of all of scripture, basically

all of it points to, to Christ.

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And that is a good a hermaneutic for us

to have, as we attempt to interpret and

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understand any passage of scripture.

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Um, and so it can be applied there,

but I do believe the main thrust of the

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book of song of Solomon is to elevate

the, uh, the physical relationship

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between a husband and a wife as that

is such a key component of what.

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What it means to be married and as Adam.

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And Eve were in the garden and God brought

Eve to Adam and said, here, Uh, is your

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wife and, and Adam said at last, this is

bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh.

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And then God said for this reason,

a man shall leave his father and

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mother and hold fast to his wife.

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Uh, even just the idea of procreation

that, that God has designed marriage

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to be the, the venue through

which procreation takes place.

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And it's this relationship that produces

that, that yields that, uh, I think

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there's a, uh, uh, there's grounds

for there to be an entire book in the

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Bible, just devoted to this, to the

physical intimacy, the physical union.

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That is reserved for marriage,

between a husband and a wife.

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And I think that's the main thrust of

what we find in song of Solomon though.

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I do think it's appropriate to say, Hey.

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You know what.

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In the new Testament, God uses this.

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Relationship to refer to

Christ and the church.

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And in the words that you've

used in the past, pastor, rod,

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it seems that that feels a little

uncomfortable for us to take.

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Rod: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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PJ: Icky.

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Yeah.

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There you go.

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That is the word that you used.

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Rod: Yeah, well, whatever

your interpretation of this,

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it's certainly unexpected.

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Whatever one.

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Whether it's God in Israel or the

church in Christ or just man and

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woman it's unexpected and all of them.

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Uh, because with God and Israel or

with Christ in the church, it's just

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unusual to experience such a, I don't

know, it was such a charged language.

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It's such a spicy language, we might say.

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Yep.

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You could say, okay, I get it.

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You know, that the relationship is

meant to convey that relationship, but

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it's, it's more spicy than you expect.

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However even saying that though,

there are places in scripture where

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God does use some pretty, um, charged

language to speak about the nature

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of adultery, spiritual adultery.

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So it's not without precedent,

which is why interpreting it

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that way has some credence.

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But.

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The, the language of even, uh, the

poetry of it, of a literal relationship.

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If it's looking at a real relationship

between a husband and wife and

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saying, this is good, God endorses it.

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Even then it's still unexpected

because lots of people think about

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God as always God he's approved.

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He.

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He doesn't want you to

have this kind of stuff.

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It's too much fun and it's too

messy and yada, yada, yada.

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No, I'm in fact, you know, people

weren't even supposed to do this

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before they went out to battle.

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So it's unexpected.

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However you slice it, it's unexpected,

but I think that's really cool.

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God is the God of the unexpected.

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He doesn't fit into our neat

categories because he's God.

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And we should expect that.

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And that said we should expect

unexpected, but I love this book.

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It's a, it's a, it's a

fits in the scripture.

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It's a hard one.

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That's got interpretive challenges and

there's many, in fact, everywhere you go

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through this scripture and this particular

book, there's gonna be challenges

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about, okay, what is meant by that?

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What's that referring to

who's who's in view here.

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And why is it there?

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There's lots of questions.

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So walk us through it.

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Pastor PG, help us to get a good

overview of this so that we can

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read it this morning and understand

that there were perfectly right way.

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PJ: Thanks, man.

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Thanks

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Rod: for teeing it up

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PJ: that

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Rod: way.

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PJ: Yeah.

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Well, and just that the whole idea of

walking it through, walking through

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a book like this, because if we're

going to take it literal, um, The

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question then becomes, is there a plot?

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Uh, is there a traceable plot from

beginning to end or is this just kind of

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an amalgamation of various poems that are

dedicated to this subject in this topic?

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Uh, for example, MacArthur in his single

volume commentary on the entire Bible, as

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he talks about this book, he lays it out

and he finds it to be written in a plot.

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He's got the court ship in chapters, one

through three, uh, or the beginning of

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chapter three there he's got the wedding.

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Chapter three through five,

and then he's got the marriage

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in chapter five through eight.

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Um, Others have said no, there

is no real traceable plot here.

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It seems to bounce back and forth and

that's a relatively new interpretation.

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The plot or the

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Rod: not the plot is the original right.

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The, uh, relatively newer interpretation

to the game is the thought that it's

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a collection of different love poetry,

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PJ: right?

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For example, the new international

commentary and the old Testament,

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which is a great series, by the

way, if you're looking to invest in

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a more technical commentary series

on the old Testament, the NIC.

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T his is ICOT is great.

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Uh, it's an investment,

but it's, it's great.

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It's, it's usually pretty reliable.

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Um, anyways, they take that approach

of, no, this is just a compilation

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of more loosely connected poems.

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There's there's not a traceable

plot throughout the entirety

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of, of the, uh, the book, but.

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Rod: And it's a fair approach.

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It is.

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It D the question is,

which is the best one.

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And, and you're telling

us the best one is.

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And your estimation, of course.

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And you're humble.

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I doctorate estimation.

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PJ: Yeah.

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And probably because of the influence

of it being the more traditional

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approach, I've always kind of taken the,

the there's a plot to this approach.

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Um, that's, that's

where I've led to there.

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Uh, one of the things to note in song

of songs or song of Solomon 2 7, 3,

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5, and eight four, uh, there is this

idea of not stirring up or awakening

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love until it's the right time.

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Um, and so that shows

up time and time again.

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And if this is about Solomon, if

this is, uh, Solomon writing this

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himself or someone else writing

it and dedication to Solomon.

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Yeah, I think it's, it's

interesting because if you remember

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David, who was Solomon's dad.

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Uh, and Solomon's mom Bathsheba.

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They didn't listen to that advice.

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Nope.

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Yeah.

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They.

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They did not wait to awaken

love at the appropriate time.

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In fact, there shouldn't have

been an appropriate time for

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David and Solomon's mom, Beth.

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She'd be there.

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Uh, but that's one of the

things that we note here.

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So really this, the whole

elevation of this relationship,

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the, the sexual relationship

between the husband and the wife.

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Um, it's it's so good and so helpful.

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The fact that there is a book like

this, because like you were talking

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about pastor, rod, it is unexpected.

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But man, this is, this is such a

good reminder that that relationship

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was created by God designed by

God to be enjoyed in that context.

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And, uh, I remember being in seminary and

attending a different church and there

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was a couple in that church who thought

it's only for the purpose of procreation.

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Oh wow.

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And their kids were grown and out

of the house in, so I'm going, so

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Rod: it's been several years.

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Yeah,

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PJ: there is no, there is no intimacy

physically between the two of you anymore.

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And, and granted.

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Don't hear me say that that's

all marriage is, but, but that's,

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that's a big, important part

of what a marriage is about.

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And a lot of times I don't know about

you, but when I've had counseling

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situations where a couple has come

into my office office for marriage

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counseling, a lot of times that's one

of the things that's been derailed.

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And that can lead to a separation and

a distancing and, and struggles in

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communication in other areas of life.

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When that part is not being

well cultivated in the marriage.

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So.

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Take take encouragement.

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Uh, if you are out there and you

are married, uh, that this is a good

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thing that God has designed, and

he has designed it to be enjoyed

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between a husband and wife in.

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Yeah, I guess if you're,

this is your pastor saying.

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This is an admission.

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This is an expectation.

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To a, to a bay God spicy.

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Yeah.

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It gets spicy.

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Trying to keep it as, as yeah.

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PG.

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I get you to keep tracking,

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Rod: picking up what

you're tossing down here.

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Uh, I would add to this.

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There are, there are complexities here.

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And of course, if, if there are

preventative issues, legitimate

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preventative issues, this is not

a make or break for a marriage.

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But it's by God's design.

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It is an important part of a marriage.

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So there's not a good reason

that it should not be happening

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unless as Paul says, there is

that there's a spiritual reason.

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No.

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Uh, a short period of time for

prayer, for fasting, but then

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come together again as he'll say.

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Right?

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So that you aren't, you're not

going to be tempted by the evil one.

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Right?

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PJ: Right.

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All right.

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I think, I think that should give

you a good launch point, a good

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starting point, at least for what

we're doing with the song of Solomon.

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So as you read through it, Just bear

in mind again, if, if you didn't

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get it the first time through.

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If you're curious on MacArthur's outlined

here again, the courtship chapters one and

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two, really, uh, the wedding then chapters

three through five, and then the marriage

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chapters five through eight that's one

approach to the whole plot mentality here.

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Uh, or it may be, you say, well,

I don't, I don't see that as much.

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I lean more towards the Nikon, the NIC.

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And I think these are more

kind of a random collection.

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Either way.

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That's fine.

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Uh, read through it, understand

that it is God's word.

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Maybe if you've got younger ones

that are doing the DBR and they

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have been doing the DVR with you,

this might be a good one to either.

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Uh, go through with them or it might

be a good one to have them skip over.

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If you feel like maybe

they're not quite there.

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Uh, to answer some of the questions that

are brought up here because, uh, yeah,

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it, it, it does dive into the subject

and dives in to the subject pretty, uh,

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pretty graphically from time to time here.

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So, but very poetically,

but, but very poetically.

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Rod: Yep.

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PJ: Yep.

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Rod: Can I offer one?

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Uh, one caution.

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Uh, there is a famous teacher who

taught through this not too long ago.

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Yep.

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And one of his approaches

was to be very graphic.

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And, and his detailing of what's taking

place between the husband and the wife.

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Uh, I came to find out after, you

know, After it's happened, that his

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approach is very novel and novel.

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Not necessarily in a good way.

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Um, That said, if you find someone

on the periphery of understanding

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how this text is supposed to work,

I would be cautious at minimum.

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And make sure you consult

some good commentaries.

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And if you need a couple of

recommendations, feel free to ask us.

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We're happy to help you with that.

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PJ: Yup, absolutely.

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Well, Hey, thanks for tuning

in for another episode of

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the daily Bible podcast.

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And we will catch you guys

tomorrow at the Rangers game.

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And for another episode of the daily

Bible podcast, both end see you then.

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Bye.