Thank you to Lauran Williamson for her knowledge and expertise surrounding student-athletes applying to College. She provided useful information about students being active in their recruitment, scholarships, and parent involvement. Here are the resources that she shared as well as her website!
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We're so excited to be here , in
the spirit of growing good humans.
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:I am Laura Barr.
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:I'm the owner and founder of Emerging
Educational Consulting, and we
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:provide one-to-one mentorship for
students from the beginning to end
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:of the college application process.
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:And we really are, we wake
up every day to help support.
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:Raising good humans and what I
have found in this process is
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:that we cannot do this alone.
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:It takes a village.
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:And so I am delighted to
introduce Lauren Williamson.
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:Fun fact.
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:She was my son's college counselor
while she was at East High School.
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:So, I have a big warm welcome in
my heart to have you, and I'm so
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:excited today to talk about just
this idea of like, what does it mean
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:if you're an athlete in college.
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:And Lauren, why don't you just
introduce yourself really quick.
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:I know you have your own
practice and maybe tell us a
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:little bit about that and then.
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:Let's go from there.
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:Sure.
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:Thank you Laura, so much for having me.
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:My name's Lauren Williamson.
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:I'm the owner and founder of Williamson
College Prep that works with students on
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:selecting the best fit, both academically,
socially, financially, and athletically.
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:College for students, mostly
working with students in high school.
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:I originally was a school counselor
in Denver Public Schools for seven
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:years where I kind of started
my practice and my work with.
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:Students and loved the post-secondary
planning process so much that I,
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:switched sides of the desk and started
working more with students on the
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:post-secondary planning process.
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:But my background in
athletics has never left me.
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:I was a swimmer growing up myself.
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:I swam at the division three
level in college and then coached
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:at the division one level.
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:And when I was at East High School,
did some high school coaching as well.
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:So when it comes to students thinking
about their athletic opportunities in
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:college, I have the perspective both
from working with high school athletes
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:as their coach, working with the school
as the school counselor, and supporting
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:them through the recruiting process as
a division one coordinator and coach in
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:helping students engage in that process.
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:Well, that's amazing and what an
incredible gift you bring to that.
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:I'm just gonna dive in right
away, one of the questions that,
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:especially when I get clients, it's
like, well, I wanna play in college.
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:How do I know if I'm D
one, D two or D three?
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:Totally.
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:I think this is a pretty common
question because how can high school
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:students know they're not in college?
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:They just kind of know where they fall
in perspective to some of their peers
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:and their high school competition.
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:You'd be surprised at how many students
I work with that I ask, are you
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:letting your coaches know that you're
interested in playing in college?
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:So I usually start there with students
and have them speak and share their
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:interests, their passion in the school.
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:Sport with their co, with their high
school coaches so that in college
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:they can get an understanding
from the coach's perspective of
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:maybe what the coach has seen.
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:Oftentimes when students are participating
in club sports, the coaches sometimes
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:are networked, for example, in diving,
diving is a really, really tight-knit
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:community from club to collegiate.
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:So if a coach is aware that a, a
high school diver is wanting to dive
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:in college, there may be a network
that that student can leverage.
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:Outside of really communicating with
the coach, One of the things that I
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:love to recommend that students do is
cast a wide net from the beginning.
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:, We want students to entertain all
possibilities, we want them to try
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:on lots of different hats to figure
out what's the right fit for them.
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:But part of the reason that casting
a wide net with kind of division one,
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:division two, division three is important
is not only are students sometimes
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:trying to figure out which division
makes the most sense for me based
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:on my competitive level, but there's
variation within the division levels.
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:So sometimes a student might be being
recruited mostly at the division two
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:level, but maybe a really high tier
D three school is coming after them.
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:Similarly, if a student's targeting
D one, it doesn't mean that D three
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:won't be right at certain levels.
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:So by casting a wide net, students
can really find out quickly where
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:they're receiving feedback from coaches
and lean into that and continue to
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:follow the communication as it goes.
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:That's great.
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:What about, , what about this idea?
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:So what you, what I heard you just say is
like keep, start early, like cast in that
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:early with the coaches that you already
have, your high school coaches and let
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:them know, cause there's this networking.
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:What about communication
with coaches at colleges?
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:How does that work?
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:Definitely.
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:You know, one of the big things that
students struggle with at the beginning
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:when they're wanting to be recruited
is this concept of getting recruited.
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:Even just the terminology and the language
of I want to be recruited indicates
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:that the student's gonna be able to
take a passive role in the process.
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:And that is not true.
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:in fact, when you look at the data,
about 7% of high school athletes.
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:We'll go on and play in college.
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:So that's a pretty low number.
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:And often time I find that athletes
kind of fall out of their, their
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:opportunities in college because they
don't realize that they need to take an
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:active role in their recruiting process.
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:So as you mentioned with the emails
or with contacting coaches, this
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:is a huge place where students
can play an active role in being
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:part of their recruiting process.
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:So what I typically recommend is when
students are beginning the process,
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:they hop onto athletic websites.
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:There's usually something called an
athletic recruit questionnaire, and it'll
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:walk a student through some of the main
data points that college coaches are
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:interested in collecting and interested
in seeing from a student in that sport.
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:This is really good
when students are just.
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:Beginning cuz sometimes they don't know
what types of statistics they should
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:be providing to coaches or showcasing
to coaches in follow-up communication.
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:So if students start with those
athletic recruit questionnaires, not
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:only will they get into some of the
databases of coaches, but they'll also
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:just gain more understanding of some
of the information that they wanna
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:be sharing in their communication.
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:Now I wouldn't stop at the athletic
recruit questionnaire once that's
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:finished, the most important step
is to send an email and try to
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:reach out and contact coaches.
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:And when students are thinking about
do doing this, I offer them a few tips.
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:The first is that coaches get
hundreds of these emails every single
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:year from perspective recruits,
some of which are gonna be great
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:recruits and some of which are not.
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:So you need to find ways to
connect with the coach and
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:also to encourage a response.
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:So to initially connect with the coach,
I'm always trying to think about how can
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:we make sure that the sublet j line of
your email gives important information.
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:Things like your class year, things like
your position perhaps on the, in the
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:sport you're playing in, and also any
kind of like highlights from your career.
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:Maybe you're the state champion,
maybe you place top end districts.
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:Maybe you're competing
at the Olympic trials.
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:You can drop those into the,
the header of the email.
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:Also, students tend to go straight to
head coaches, and many times assistant
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:coaches are the ones that are dealing
with initial recruiting contacts.
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:So making sure that you're mindful of how
many coaches there are on the team, and
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:including all of the coaches, if you're
not sure who to include, will make sure
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:that that email gets to the right person.
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:Once you're then into the email, you
wanna be concise, but you wanna give.
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:Important data.
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:So anything that's pertinent for your
sport, anything around your academic
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:progress that will show you shining
and put your best foot forward.
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:Whether that's your gpa,
whether that's the rigor of your
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:course load and your schedule.
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:These coaches wanna know that
you can cut it academically
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:in addition to athletically.
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:And at that end of the email, making sure
that you ask a question that prompts the
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:coach to really follow up at some point.
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:And we can get into.
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:Kinda timelines in, in a minute.
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:, but when we talk about a question
saying things like, based on what
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:you're seeing from my GPA and my
academic progress, plus the progress
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:I'm making ac athletically, do you think
I'd be a good fit for your program?
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:Can prompt a coach to go forward and
have some follow up with that student?
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:Wow.
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:That is just, it's just so much
information and it just, it brings
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:me to kind of like thinking about
my own practice is often I will have
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:students who enter our practice and
they haven't even told me at that
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:time that they were thinking about
being an athlete, otherwise I would've
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:referred them to you in the first place.
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:Right?
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:But then I'm like, already knee
deep in and they say things
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:like, well, I wanna play in.
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:In college.
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:And, I know that this idea that
like, once they realize that it's
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:not like they're just sitting there
and they're gonna be recruited Yeah.
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:Is really the way that it works.
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:Is that, I mean, is are you
saying that, that that is just
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:not the way that it works?
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:It does work like that for
maybe 1% of the top athletes.
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:Right?
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:So, and we see that in movies.
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:So I think that's where it enters
into our consciousness and where
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:students, you know, if, if something
comes to us, it's easier, right?
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:We would all love for people to come
knocking on our doors with all of the
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:incredible opportunities that are gonna
make us successful within our lives.
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:But oftentimes it just
doesn't work that way.
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:We have to put ourselves out
there and most of the athletes.
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:That I work with will go through this
process of putting themselves out there
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:to coaches, and making sure that they're
building relationships because coaches
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:are not just looking for the top athlete.
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:They have to also look for students
who can communicate, who can be
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:team members, who are coachable,
who are going to be resp.
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:Responsive to a poor call on the field.
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:And so some of those personality traits
will come through in some of the initial
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:contacts and and communication that
happens between the coach and student.
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:And I say coach and student because
I'm sure we're gonna have lots of
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:parents listening, in, and parents
out of the goodness of their heart
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:really wanna help their students to
figure out and navigate this process.
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:But this is a place where, The coach and
the student communication is paramount.
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:Coaches do not wanna be talking to
parents in the majority of situations.
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:Once you get into financial aid
and questions around that, perhaps
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:the parent steps in, but initial
communication should absolutely between
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:be between the coach and the student.
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:Do you think it's a detriment, like as
far as advice, is it like hands off, don't
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:do it like it could hurt the situation?
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:Is that something you've seen?
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:I have seen it hurt the situation.
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:I've seen it where parents
sometimes just can't help it.
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:They end up taking over and
the student then kind of
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:retreats from the communication.
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:We wanna be building these students up and
help them understand that they're capable
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:of this communication, and also to make
sure that they feel comfortable with this
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:coach, because if they move forward and
they go to play, Play for a team under
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:a coach that they don't feel comfortable
working with or being coached by.
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:It's not gonna be a good
athletic fit for the student.
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:And sometimes when we get swept
up in coaches' responses to these
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:emails, students can kind of.
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:Cling on to the first thing
that comes their way of like,
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:Ooh, this school wants me.
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:This program wants me.
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:And that's why I do think it's really
important, especially for students
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:who are going to college, not just
for the athletic experience, right?
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:They're going for the academic,
for the social experience to
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:grow their individual selves.
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:It's really important.
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:For parents and counselors to be guiding
them through a wider process of thinking
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:about how that athletic fit really makes
sense, but also how the academic and
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:the social fit might make sense for them
so that they can be their best self.
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:We know that the majority of
athletes who even play in college,
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:remember I said 7% of high school
athletes go on to play in college?
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:Well, of the students who play in
college, only 2% go professional.
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:Wow, that's so small, right?
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:So most of our student athletes are going
to take the incredible values that they've
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:gained from being part of a team, from
being part of competition, and they're
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:gonna employ them into other places
in their lives as they move forward,
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:because most of them are not gonna be
going professional, but there's plenty
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:of places that they can maximize and
leverage those within their careers.
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:And really this initial coaching
communication with the student,
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:it allows the student to.
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:Build better effective communication
skills along the way with us as counselors
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:or parents supporting them from the wings.
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:That's great as a, my community
knows, I often call myself a
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:helicopter mother in recovery.
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:So those gentle reminders are
very, very helpful cuz it's like
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:we want to do the best and we want
to, and we often watch our kids.
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:Fumble or take too long or not
reply when we want them to.
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:And I, I imagine some of that might
be related to this idea of maybe
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:there's money involved in this also.
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:And as you know, college has
just become such a huge expense.
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:And I think in, you know, in
my practice, I really have a.
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:Very strong opinion that parents
should be very involved in the
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:college education process because
the investment is enormous.
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:And so we include all of our
parents all of the time, but we
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:also are guiding and teaching them.
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:But I do, I'm wondering about the
money piece because I am feeling
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:like there's a big disconnect
between people understanding sport,
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:playing sports and scholarships.
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:Absolutely.
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:You know, and I feel for parents here,
because you think about the thousands
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:of dollars that go into cultivating an
athletic passion for a young person,
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:and not just dollars, but hours
in time and in emotional support.
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:It's huge.
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:and that's why I actually think, you know,
you're speaking before about sometimes
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:you don't know that some of your students
are interested in playing in college.
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:When I see a student who has.
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:Spent a lot of time in
their activities or in their
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:extracurricular engagement on sports.
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:I always ask, What they would think
their life would be without that.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:And it's funny because before Covid,
they didn't really know how to answer it.
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:Now with Covid, they're a little
bit more prepared for that question
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:and they have a little bit more
perspective on what life can be
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:sometimes without those engagements.
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:But it allows them to really, Think
through what, how sports are serving
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:them in that point in their life.
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:Because life would look very differently
if you're spending 20 hours a week
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:going to soccer practices and your
weekends are on soccer games and
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:suddenly you're in college and
that 20 hours is now all yours.
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:What are you doing with it?
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:That allows us to kind of help
students think, think through that.
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:But to get back to your question about
the scholarship piece, Because we're
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:investing a lot of dollars into our
students' athletic engagements early on.
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:What tends to happen is parents
wanna return on investment, right?
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:We've put all, we've invested into
this young person, into their skills,
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:into their talents, and so the payoff
can be if we get merit, some athletic
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:or merit scholarships out of the
deal when they go off to college.
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:So the first thing that parents
need to know is that there are
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:two divisions within the NCAA
that offer athletic scholarships.
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:Division one and division two
will offer athletic scholarship.
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:Division three does not offer
any athletic scholarship money.
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:So if a student's being recruited
by a D three school, they won't
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:see any, discount to their tuition
coming because of athletic talent.
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:Now with division one and division two,
it's about 2% of high school students
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:that will get some sort of scholarship.
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:So again, the number is very
low when it comes to the money
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:that students are seeing.
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:And you think like to be part of that 2%,
you need to be kind of in that realm of.
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:Coaches are coming to you,
you're not going to them.
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:Now that doesn't mean there's no money
to be had for others because at a
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:lot, at a lot of schools, schools are
not giving a full ride scholarship.
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:They have an amount of money
that they then get to distribute
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:between their different recruits.
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:And depending how valuable that coach
sees you as being to being on a member of
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:their team, they may give you a certain
amount of money in proportion to someone
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:else they're bringing in that given year.
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:So, And so it is absolutely recommended
that once a student knows that a, a
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:coach is interested in them, they're
co, the communication is continuing.
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:They're having communication over
time about progress in the sport.
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:It is totally encouraged for the student
to bring up with the coach that finances.
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:Is a part of the game here for the
family, and that they are trying to
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:understand what the opportunities could
look like, how that coach distributes
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:money within their teams, within
their recruits, so that they can start
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:kind of peeling away the layers of
the onion to better understand how
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:that individual coach and individual
team is allocating funds, because it
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:won't be the same from team to team.
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:And so that can lead
sometimes to certain schools.
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:We, we talked about casting
that wide net, right?
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:Like you cast it wide.
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:Some of those schools might not come
back with anything, and if you know
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:that you need $10,000 a year to support
your efforts at a certain school,
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:then that can, learning more about
how the coach is distributing the
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:funds can help you to understand what
the reality of the situation may be.
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:Now for Division three,
division one and division two.
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:The other thing that I really like to
remind families is if the, you have an
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:athlete who is also a stellar student.
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:I'm talking a's B's and Cs in high school.
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:There is, there are schools that were,
will offer them merit scholarships.
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:And so the coach can usually working
with admissions, get an understanding
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:based on the academic profile of the
student athlete, what type of money will
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:be coming their way because of their
incredible achievements in the classroom.
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:And that can really help us
student to understand, okay,
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:here's what I'll get because.
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:Of my athletic talents, here's what
I'll get because of my academic talents.
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:And then by filling out the FAFSA
and the CSS profile, students can
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:understand what they will get need
based and kind of come to understand
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:what the full package looks like.
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:Will, just a follow up question on
that, will any of those negotiations
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:happen before the admissions letters
come out, or is that more when
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:the admissions letters come out,
there's that kind of negotiation.
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:Yeah, usually coaches will
have some offline conversations
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:with, students so that they can
understand what the pot looks like
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:or what it generally looks like.
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:You know, coaches don't wanna waste
their time either, so if a student
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:can't afford the school based on.
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:What the coach knows they're
gonna be able to offer and what
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:the student's gonna be paying.
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:They wanna move in, ma, move
forward and get that spot filled
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:with an athlete who will be able to
contribute athletically, but also be
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:able to afford the college as well.
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:So there is some level of conversations
that I have seen happening between
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:families and students, and also
with coaches hooking up families
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:with the financial aid office to
sit down and have conversations
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:there to get better understanding of
what things will really look like.
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:Thank you.
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:I'm gonna go back,, I'm gonna go back
round to something that you also said
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:that was, this idea of reaching out
to the coaches, assistant coaches.
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:And, what happens when you don't hear
back, especially, you know, you, you
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:write that email, you curate that
subject line, and then you hear nothing.
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:What is the appropriate response and
how should parents guide students?
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:Yeah.
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:So the first thing that I tell
students is, take a breath.
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:It is okay.
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:It's like, let's take a breath.
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:We can figure out what the
next step that you can take is.
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:there's many reasons why
people don't respond to emails.
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:One could be that they're
not interested, okay?
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:So, but we're not gonna go there
yet based off of one email.
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:Another reason that a, a coach might
not be responding is they might not
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:be able to communicate with you yet.
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:Students can reach out to coaches
throughout the process, but there's times
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:in which coaches can and can't communicate
directly with student athletes.
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:And it's important for students to
come to understand their timeline.
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:This does vary by sport, but all
of the recruiting calendars can
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:be fined on the NCAA website.
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:. They're just emailing to put themselves
in front of a coach so that a coach can
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:maybe start to track and kind of take
a look at their progress over time.
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:So when a student doesn't hear back
initially, I always think about
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:where are they within the process?
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:You know, what?
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:What year are they in?
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:Are we in a period where coaches
can't communicate with you?
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:Or is it a period where you can, and
a lot of recruiting is happening.
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:So once we think through where we are
within that recruiting process, the
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:next thing we can do is think about
what a good follow up will look like.
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:So ideally, that athlete has
made some progress between the
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:first email and the second email.
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:And I would recommend that, you know,
sometimes students are like, Hey, I'm
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:progressing every day, and I'm like, yes.
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:That's great.
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:That's awesome.
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:And.
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:We're not gonna email every day.
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:That's a little bit too much.
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:But thinking about things around quarterly
communication or thinking about things
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:around, you know, if you emailed at the
beginning of a high school season and
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:you've since concluded your high school
season, that could be a really touch,
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:good touch point for you to connect with
a coach who maybe hasn't responded to say,
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:Hey, and hit reply all to that initial
email you sent so that you create a.
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:A chain of communication as opposed to
a new email where they're kind of like
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:scurrying through their inbox to find
everything, hit reply all and say, Hey,
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:I just wanted to follow up with you and
let you know updates of my progress.
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:, sometimes students.
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:In certain sports, we'll need
highlight videos and maybe they
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:included that in their first email.
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:Maybe they didn't have it pulled
together yet, and for the second email
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:they've got the link pulled together.
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:They're able to include that in the
email and then they can kind of move
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:forward at the end of that second email.
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:I do, I recommend something that
can be very scary for students
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:and I tell them from the onset,
I'm gonna recommend something.
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:I know you might not like it, but
I know you can do it and I will
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:support you and help you through it.
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:And that is to conclude the email by
saying something along the lines of, I'm
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:really excited to hear your feedback and
if I don't hear back from you in a week,
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:I'm gonna follow up with a phone call.
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:And phone call is when their eyes like
light up and they're like, , and you
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:know, I, I listened to a podcast once
that made this make a lot of sense to me
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:from an adult parent perspective to better
understand our students in that when I
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:was younger, We would be sitting around
our dinner table with our family and our
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:telephone that had a cord on it that was
hooked up to the wall in our kitchen would
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:ring and my mom would get up and she'd
pick up, pick it up and say, you know,
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:hello, this is the Allison residence.
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:And I would listen to her.
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:Have that conversation.
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these telephone communications
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with our phones, you know, we answer a
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to gain some quiet, to gain, you know,
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to having seen models of what
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prepare for this is we role play.
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you've now written in a week.
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:And so what this is gonna look
like is they're gonna answer,
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your student of, you know, hi,
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:this is coach so-and-so and so, and
you like launch into your spiel.
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coaches don't want to.
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:They don't wanna waste their time,
and so they're gonna be honest in the
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:communication that they have with you as
much as they can be given where they are
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:So great.
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:Oh my gosh.
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:We have three minutes left and I feel
like I could talk to you for three hours.
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:So let's see.
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:What do I wanna, oh, I know,
let's do timeline real quick.
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:So, when you talk, it seems like we're
talking, maybe there's two questions.
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:One is, okay, you're a freshman
and you know you wanna play.
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:Then what about if you're like a
senior, we call 'em rising seniors.
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:A rising senior right now,
and you're like, I just had
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:I just slammed out my summer and
now I wanna play like answer that.
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:And then we always stop on time.
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:So I promise that to my family.
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:So on your market set, go.
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:Okay, so as a freshman,
talk to your coach.
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:Start to build a list of schools that
you're interested in, athletically,
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:academically, and socially, so that as
you enter, , finish your freshman year
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:of high school season, you're able to
send that initial email, fill out the
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:athletic recruit questionnaire, and start
to put yourself out there to coaches in
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:sophomore year for the Rising Seniors.
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:If you've killed it this
year, Just go for it.
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:You never know until you put
yourself out there and send
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:Yes, you may get some nos, but if you get
a yes, it's gonna be totally worth it and
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:you're gonna be really proud of yourself
for having put yourself out there.
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:The coaches will help you to
understand where they are in their
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:And so with each additional coach you
contact and connect with, you'll gain more
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in that given division at any given time.
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:Lauren, thank you so much.
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:I think one my last thought of
everything that you've said is that
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:there's one thing going on, which
is raising an athlete and raising an
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:athlete who not only is an expert at
their sport, but also , has a sense of
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:Sport.
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:That they bring that to the table.
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:And then there's also that piece
around raising, good humans
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:Because what I have noticed is that
there are so many students who start
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:reaching out and they do get a lot
of nos and nos and they're like,
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:And you know, and that's kind of rough.
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:And I think that's something in our
practice, and I know you do the same.
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:That like part of that.
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:Growing a good human is growing that
grit for being able to manage that
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:disappointment but never to give up.
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:And that at the very end you can
go to the rec center and play
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:So I cannot thank you enough.
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:You are so amazing.
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:I'm so happy we're so blessed to have
you collaborating and I was blessed
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:So thank you very, very much and we will
have you back to talk more good stuff.
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:Thank you so much for having me.
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:Talking later.
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:Thank you, Lauren.
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