Ashley Burkeen joins Jim Burgoon on Grace in the Grind to share her powerful journey of overcoming trauma and embracing self-love. As a child raised in a chaotic environment, Ashley transformed her pain into purpose, becoming an advocate for others facing similar struggles. She emphasizes the importance of boundaries and self-awareness in the healing process, encouraging listeners to celebrate small victories on their path to personal growth. Their conversation delves into the significance of understanding one's identity and the necessity of surrounding oneself with supportive relationships. Ashley's insights and experiences serve as a beacon of hope for those navigating their own challenges, reminding us that it's never too late to rewrite our stories and embrace our authentic selves.

Grace in the Grind dives into an inspiring conversation with Ashley Burkeen, an advocate for mental health and self-discovery. Ashley shares her incredible journey from overcoming childhood trauma to becoming a successful entrepreneur and mother. With a focus on the importance of self-love and acceptance, she emphasizes that healing is not a linear process but a continuous journey, filled with ups and downs. Ashley illustrates how her experiences with narcissistic family dynamics shaped her view of relationships and self-worth. She discusses how she navigates the complexities of being a business owner while prioritizing family time, asserting that balance is a myth. Instead, she advocates for setting clear boundaries and making family a non-negotiable priority on her calendar.

As the conversation unfolds, Ashley elaborates on her advocacy work, particularly for individuals dealing with trauma and mental health issues. She passionately believes in the power of sharing one’s story and how it can inspire others to embark on their healing journeys. Her forthcoming book, titled "Unloved to Unstoppable," aims to provide readers with insights and tools for transforming their lives. Ashley reflects on the importance of community support, revealing how her friends and family uplift her during challenging times, reinforcing the idea that genuine connections can facilitate healing. This episode is a rich exploration of resilience, faith, and the transformative power of self-acceptance, offering listeners valuable insights into their own paths to healing and empowerment.

Takeaways:

• Finding self-love and self-worth is crucial for overcoming past trauma and chaos.
• Setting clear boundaries is vital for maintaining personal growth and healthy relationships.
• Celebrating small victories in your journey towards self-improvement and healing is important.
• Recognizing that balance is a myth, prioritizing what truly matters in life.
• Engaging in creative outlets can significantly boost mental health and overall well-being.
• Surrounding yourself with supportive people can make a difference in your healing journey.

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Welcome to Grace in the Grind, the podcast where we dive deep into the journeys of heart centered and purpose driven leaders and entrepreneurs.

We're here to equip and encourage you on your journey.

So let's get started and find the grace within the grind.

This is Grace in the Grind.

And now your host, Jim Burgoon.

Welcome to Grace in the Grind where we're here to empower, to equip, and to encourage Christians in business and Christian entrepreneurs to do all that God has called them to.

And today on the show, we have a friend of the show, Ashley Burkin.

Welcome to the show.

Hi.

Thanks for having me, Jim.

I'm so excited that we were able to do this finally and excited to be here.

Yeah, same.

And so why don't you take a second, like 90 seconds to tell the audience what you do, who you are.

So I am a child of God, first and foremost, let's just say that first.

And I am a wife of one, a mother of two, and super blessed to be in the entrepreneurial arena and world and also come from some chaos and trauma from childhood that I was able to overcome and work through.

And now I just advocate for people that are trying to be and do better and help them hopefully find that journey and that pathway for them and specifically to what the traumas that they're dealing with or mental health stuff that they have in conflict with and helping them work through and change the story and narrative that they were told from the beginning into their own for a purposeful life.

So excited to share more of that with you.

In your intro, you were talking about a lot of things that we can unpack.

Entrepreneur, wife, mom, trauma, advocate, things like that.

So let's start with the first thing is like, when you say you're an entrepreneur, what does that look like?

What entrepreneurial journey are you on?

So small business owner, obviously that's where you started, I feel like, is you like, oh, I want to be a start a small business owner.

That's where you start that.

And then you almost snowball when you do the personal development and you have failures and successes and you get to a place where you're like, the mindset is then, oh, I could start other businesses and I could add more value to this one and I could maybe invest in that one.

And so entrepreneurial in the sense that we started with one small business and now we own multiple businesses and we see opportunity everywhere and have those opportunity mindset and goggles on for entrepreneurship and business ownership.

So with that being said, so are you more of like in the entrepreneurial space, are you more of a, like a business owner where you're involved in growing a business, or are you more in the investor side of the business?

So both.

So my husband and I own a general contracting company which is the meat and potatoes of our lifestyle.

And.

Right.

That's the main source of our income.

And then from that we branched off into different sorts of investment companies.

Different in companies that some go similar to what we're already.

What we already do.

So Airbnb portfolio, fix and flip homes.

And then we own the networking group here in Missouri with Chad Wilson because that kind of does business training, development.

So that feeds our business as well as other people's business and just create this whole referral network around being entrepreneur, entrepreneurial and other entrepreneurs and business owners.

So with that being said, so that seems like a lot.

It seems like you're doing quite a bit.

How does it, how do you navigate being a mom of two and a wife in the midst of trying to run like 75 businesses or whatever amount you have there?

Yeah.

So we've.

Balance is a myth.

I think that people like to say, oh, you have to balance it all.

You can't balance it all.

You either do something 100% or you do something halfway.

Right.

If you try to do it all at one time.

And I think just really having boundaries and standards for our life, specifically in our lifestyle and making sure that on our calendar first is time for our kids and our family, because that is the priority and making sure that's consistent and those things are non negotiable on our calendar.

And everything else is business and comes with business.

But first and foremost, our family, I don't think that we juggle it or maybe balance it even.

I think we make it all fit together.

And something that we've learned to do really great is bring our boys, our kids into our business with us.

And my oldest son is 19 now and he is also an entrepreneur and runs his own landscaping business.

And so our legacies followed suit and what we are taught them on what they were raised in and what they got to witness growing up.

And so they really have been a part of the businesses and now have that same mindset on their own.

So how old your youngest kid if you don't?

Thirteen.

Yeah, 13.

Okay.

So when you said I'm a mom of two, my, my first mind went to, oh, she's got like babies, like they're like 2 and 3 and 4.

But no, you got grown like many adults there.

Yeah, I got teenagers we did it all backwards, young and then here we are.

So yeah, we did it a little backwards and we were younger when we had our kids.

So now they're at that teenage age and we have a little bit more freedom there.

So that's amazing.

And that's a great testimony of what you're doing and growing with your children.

Now let's move into a lot for the rest of this the show because I would love to really hit on the trauma and the how the advocacy and the things you do in those realms.

Because I think a lot of my listeners on Grace and the Grind really come from a past that has really stunted their growth or caused a lot of fear because of trauma and things.

So let's start unpacking that.

Like when you say you wrote a book, let's start with the book and tell me about that first.

Sure.

Like we said, we keep using the word trauma.

And I grew up in a chaotic household and I was raised by what is known today as a narcissist.

And when you're raised by a narcissist or a relationship with a narcissist, it is very much a cat mouse game.

Right.

And you are the mouse.

And when you're a kid and your brain's developing and you're not understanding them, your brain develops into having zero self worth.

You think love is something that you have to earn, not give.

Like something that shouldn't just be given to you.

And then when reality is that those are your parents, we didn't ask to be here, they are supposed to love you and show you that and give you that course of the trajectory of where your life's supposed to go.

And I wasn't given that.

And so I had to figure it out later in my life.

So I decided to write a book about my journey and share just some of my story.

It'll be one of multiple books, but just to start with, letting people know it is okay to come from trauma and chaos and feel worthless and have zero self worth and zero self esteem and there is an answer and a solution and you can come from that and still be this or whatever this looks like for you and have those successes.

And so it was.

It's very important for me in that book to share with people that like when I found self love and found self worth and was became self aware of what I wanted, my life changed for the better and I became unstoppable.

I was able to be the entrepreneur, the business owner and have all the things if that's what you want or not, But I had to change the mindset, the way I looked at myself first.

So where did your faith in Jesus come in?

Was that as growing up as a kid, was that later in life?

So the second book I'm writing right now, I'm in the middle of writing is called Unloved, Purposeful.

And I experience explain a lot of the story in there.

But I was raised by 90s Christian parents.

And Jim, I say that in a way because I don't know if you've seen the comedy skit where this guy talks about being raised by 90s Christian parents.

And I think it's funny.

And if you come from a lot of trauma, you have dark humor and so you may think things are funny like that.

But the way that Christianity or the Bible or God was using my family was for somebody's own benefit.

So lots of shame.

Bible scripture was used in a negative way for them to get what they wanted or to manipulate a situation.

And to be honest, I grew up in the church, went a lot like three days a week, became an adult, had my own choice, freedom of choice, and decided to push away and pull away from the church.

A few significant moments in my life happened as an adult.

And then I had kids that were asking how are people made and why are trees and why is the sky?

And what better answer than to take them to church and expose them to.

To where it really came from?

And so started going back to church in that sense.

And then it just got so bad and unbearable, the mental health side of things, where even then I was as connected to the church and God as I wanted to be.

But I was finding my way back.

And I think it just had got so bad that who else do you call to in times of hardships and just distraught and devastation, but you drop to your knees and you pray.

And so I think then God started putting people in my life that were just Bible based and, and focused on him.

Not necessarily religion, but focusing on God and that relationship.

And I was so interested in that.

And now I host Bible study at my house once a week and we're involved in the church and my kids ask more questions.

And so I found my way back to him.

And it has been just a blessing that he was very patient with me.

And I make a joke that God sometimes I'm the.

I'm one of his children, that he was like, girl, I know I made you stubborn, but good golly, you give me a run for my money because he's giving me how many signs and moments.

And it was.

It's been me that's gotten it wrong.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Here's another check on the wall that you get another pass.

So this brings up some really good interesting things.

First and foremost, I too have some dark humor because I went through a lot of trauma growing up.

So I get that reference.

And the 90s Christian thing, guys, I'll just off that in the comments or not in the comments in the show notes so you can give a context of what we're talking about.

But with that being said, this brings up a lot of interesting lines of questioning.

Like for instance, 90s parents, narcissistic father, what was your relate with God as a father?

And then how did you get to a place of being healthy in that?

So I think so if you read my book, I talk about how I really have two dads.

So I have a biological dad who is an alcoholic who I spent every other weekend with.

And then I have my dad, the narcissist who was really my stepdad, but he raised me from 18 months old.

So when I was talking about dad, I'm referring to him, my stepdad.

Right.

And I think it didn't affect it in my 20s and when I was a kid and stuff.

But I think as an adult, the way that I've learned to look at that is I was given two, two dads and neither one of them got it right.

And that's okay.

I'm not a loss for that because I have the main father that has control and that loves me unconditionally and no matter what.

And so I just look at him and my connection with him is these guys were schmucks.

But I have you and you know that I always have you and I know that I always have you.

So it gives me confidence that maybe in the flesh I don't have the picture perfect dad or those relationships, but I have him and that's the only father and dad that I need.

Right.

So that's the way I've learned.

So then like with your mental health, you said there was a lot of challenges through the years, like how did you fight back from that place of.

Or that darkness?

You think that you fight, you're fighting.

Sometimes I think that I wasn't fighting.

I think I was just confused and just going through the motions of some stuff.

And I think I just got sick and tired of being sick tired.

And then my physical health was being affected and who I was showing up as a mother and a wife and short tempered and chip on my shoulder.

And there comes a place where you are the victim, right?

Necessarily the victim.

But you're the person in pain.

And then you start inflicting pain on others to protect yourself.

And I didn't like that person who I was becoming.

And so I think really it was just.

There's no.

I was sick and tired of being sick and tired.

And there's no other choice or option.

Nothing else is working.

So I'm going to give it to God and he's going to open up the pathway for that and be people with experience that can pour into me and help me be better.

And he's just going to light that pathway up for me.

And so I was sick and tired of being sick and tired.

No, I totally get that.

So then this brings up some questionings too, because like, you have an incredible strong will and you have this, like I said, this stubbornness about you.

And I think that's a beautiful thing as somebody in leadership development.

Like, you're the type of person that is like golden.

We want those type of people to coach and things.

But what about the listener who is right now struggling with the in between places?

May they may not be totally a victim, but they don't have that strong will you do.

What would you say to them?

I think just it's going to sound cheesy and, and, and cliche, but like just one thing at a time.

Don't overwhelm yourself with, I have to do these 18,000 things to become and be better and feel better.

What is one thing that we can fix right now, one thing that we can improve on in our life and do better?

And that could just be washing your hair, getting out of bed for one day, right?

That could just be not letting the depression not allow you to use the restroom for six hours straight, right?

It could be one, what seems insignificant to you, one thing that you're able to overcome, and then you celebrate that you overcame that, right?

And so you start building confidence in your abilities and don't compare what you are doing in your journey, where you're at, to anybody else's, because that will just leave you defeated 110% of the time.

So one small thing, every day that you can celebrate, and it could be as simple as I woke up today breathing, right?

Do that every single day.

And then you will find those obstacles.

You'll get more confident in that.

And then also remember, just because your goal is to be this person, whoever you are right now and right in this moment and whatever the work you've done in this moment.

That is enough.

That's enough.

You don't have to be this exceptional.

Look, I did this healing in two years, and I'm per.

That you don't have to be that.

Right, Yuki?

Not bad.

Today is enough.

And you should celebrate just being enough today.

That's beautiful.

That's absolutely beautiful.

All right, so let's switch gears a little bit.

Let's switch gears a little.

And you talk about advocacy like you're an advocate now.

What does that look like?

Let's start with that question.

What does that look like?

I just have this understanding of people going through my own journey of healing and finding out who I am and those things.

And I just have this understanding of people and that they are who they are, because most of them were told who they were and they aren't aware that they are able to fix and change that and be whoever they want to be.

And so when I see people, I've run off of a lot of grace, and I advocate that way.

But then I also have understanding when people are maybe judged for not being what society is told us an image is supposed to portray or advocating in them.

If you have ADHD or whatever, mental health struggle, and you own that and you stand as a part of who I am, and this is what I struggle with, and I have your back on that.

Right.

And I'm going to rally for you and I'm going to celebrate you in that and.

Or help you find resources, whatever I can do to help.

Anybody is really advocating for all of the things, the trauma, the adhd, because that comes from trauma.

Right.

And the people forget that it's okay to be yourself and that you're so perfect just as who you were created to be.

And I think society makes us think that image is everything.

And so I will advocate for you to be 100% authentically yourself, overcome your trauma and focusing on your mindset you can do and be better.

So you said something there that I thought was really interesting.

Finding out who you are, like, who I am.

So what was that process for you, like, when you were in that process of trying to discover who you really are?

What did that.

Yes, I.

I read a lot about this in my book.

I was a chronic people pleaser, and I didn't know who I was at all.

Down to the car I was driving.

This is up until I just started my healing journey maybe three years ago.

So up to three years ago, this music I listened to, the way I dress, the car I drove, my hobbies, they were all depicted by somebody else first and I had to learn who I was and what I liked.

Now did I like some of those things?

Sure.

Am I good at looking at the positive side of that part of my life and saying I'm like a hind 57 and I have all these talents and all this knowledge and different experiences I've experienced because I was a people pleaser.

Sure, that's the benefit that came out of that.

But in reality I had no idea who I was and so I had to really do some self reflecting, self awareness stuff and I had to spend time alone and I had to think what do I like and what do I not like?

And then when I spend time with other people, I had to leave those situations or those relationships and think what are the core values that I align with?

And do these people, what core values do they align with?

Do I agree with that or do I not agree with that?

I didn't know what I liked or even disliked.

I didn't know what my hobbies were and what I enjoyed or I didn't enjoy that other people did.

So just spend time alone with yourself and really make a list of I like these things, I don't like these things.

These are my core values for life that I want to live by that I will die on the hill for.

And I think when you have an understanding of who you are and you have some self awareness, I think that you're able to figure that out slowly but surely and continuously.

This doesn't stop.

I've.

Every day I find I'm like oh, I do the color Purple.

I didn't think I did every day.

I love that.

So then how did you develop the acceptance?

This is maybe a two parter question.

Sure.

The acceptance in all of that.

Because being, being, being like a.

I don't know if I'd say if you would call a recovering chronic pleaser.

That's who I was.

I was very chronic people pleasing growing up.

So went through a similar process.

So the reality, so the question is how do you navigate the acceptance of who you are while living in the tension of trying to get over that chronic pleasing and then how did you enrich like boundaries to make sure that you maintain that?

Yeah.

So learn to accept who I was because again I was sick and tired being sick and tired.

I realized that people were benefiting from me pleasing them.

But it was going one sided and I was a firm believer that I could love you so I could like little kids like hug puppies and until their heads pop off I thought I could do that to somebody and they would treat me with respect and give me the same love and the energy I was giving to them.

And that's just not how that works.

And so people are, you can't love somebody enough into giving you what you deserve, what you're worthy of back.

That's just not going to happen.

And then people were going to talk about me anyways, right?

People were talking about me already because I.

And I was trying to please them.

So why not be myself if they're already saying something?

And.

But I get to be myself at least I'm happy and I'm fulfilled and I'm enjoying life and I'm skipping through life without a beat because I am authentic to who I am.

If they're going to talk about me, at least talk about who I am as a person, not who you believe me to be.

And then what was the end part of that question?

The end part was then how did you start erecting boundaries to make sure you don't keep slipping back into that old habit?

So I'm a huge boundary queen, right?

I am huge on boundaries.

I think they're very significant in finding self love and personal growth and development.

Because you cannot have this negative cloud of doom or E or type person or personality around you for you to have further success in any aspect of your life.

Right?

They will always be the thing that pulls you back, like your anchor.

And so I had to figure out what my core values were, what my standards were for me.

And then people either aligned with that or they didn't.

And those that were currently in my life that did not align with that, I had to have hard conversations.

And that can be tough.

But here's why I will say to people that are out there that are thinking about having these conversations, setting boundaries, that person's reaction to you expressing to them that you have feel hurt or pain and they are the ones inflicting that.

And that's why it set the boundary.

Their reaction that tells you everything you need to know about if your decision was right, making the boundary.

Because people that are affected and that love you and have sympathy and empathy for you, they will be devastated that they've hurt you.

And those that try to blame you or attack you or gaslight you, they are the people that are benefiting from you the most.

And so the people most upset are the ones that will benefit from you the most when you are setting boundaries.

But also I think anybody new to come into my life, I didn't say to them this is My boundary.

Nice to meet you.

I'm Ashley.

Right.

I don't do that.

I act as if the boundaries in place.

So if I don't want you to call me past 8:00pm I'm not answering my phone at 8:00pm I'm not saying don't call me after 8:00pm and so you get this confidence.

Your behaviors changed and so the people around you know how to act and you're accepted for who you are because you're attracting the right people and you're releasing the wrong people for you.

And the new people are coming and filling those spots.

So I hope that answers no, it sure did.

It's.

It was great.

And I appreciate your answers because these are things that people struggle with every day.

And I know a lot of the listeners will struggle with these things because they're dealing with insecurities, inadequacies, inferiorities, all because of a root of some form of trauma.

And so very much appreciate what you're talking about.

So then do you now struggle or find yourself ever slipping back into those old tendencies?

Oh, all the.

We're human beings all the time, Right.

I'd like to say that I'm perfect.

Here's what I've determined in my healing journey is that I will be healing forever.

I have 37 years of somebody else telling my story.

Right.

And I'm just getting started.

So that means I have 37 years of figuring out and unwinding all that, unpacking things that maybe I'm not even aware of yet.

But I do think that there, there's an opportunity for people to overcome even the ugliest thing and the darkest thing that they've been through and make it so bright, such a light.

And there's so many people out there that can relate to that and their story.

And you would be surprised with what you feel insecure about in your story and what holds you back.

A lot of other people are held back by the exact same thing.

That's really good.

So then what do you find right now being the biggest challenge you're facing in life?

I still have those family dynamics that I'm doing, setting boundaries with.

I think that can be the hardest is when you have to look inward.

And the people that brought you into this world, or they are the ones I've been closest to your whole life.

And you have to learn that DNA makes you feel or makes you relatives, not family.

And we oftentimes give our family passes because they're a family, when in reality they should be held to the highest standard.

And so I run into still conflict in my family dynamics because I have a big family and there's lots of moving parts in that.

And like I said, you.

It's not perfect in every day.

I fall back into it every single day.

But you just forgive yourself and show yourself grace, and then you get right back on board and right back on the path that you were supposed to get into.

And so I do that.

But to say that I don't have issues anymore, I don't go through that stuff I do on a daily basis.

It's a daily thing that you work at.

So then how would you say, like right now that you.

How's your.

How do you manage?

I guess where I want to go with this is how do you manage, like burnout and things like that?

Because you are doing a lot.

And there is.

The family dynamics can be incredibly taxing.

Yeah, I'm.

I probably now am surrounded by some of the best group of human beings that know me and understand who I am.

And so they.

They know now that if I go quiet, it's because I'm dealing with something or I'm in my head or I can't be the advocate that day because I need to advocate for myself.

So I really have setting boundaries.

It did get lonely, but I really have filled those spots with great quality people that really do generally care about me and they check on me.

And I have an amazing husband that does what he's supposed to do as a husband.

He picks me up whenever I am 20% and I need him to be the 80 that day.

Or when I have animals.

I found my outlet, like going back to the people, please and figure out who you are and what you love.

I've always loved animals, but I never picked up on it.

Most kids want to be a vet.

I just always wanted to have animals.

And so I found what I loved whenever I found who I was.

And so now I have animals and I have an outlet.

And I go spend time with my chickens and I talk to them like they're people or I create because creativity releases so much dopamine for me.

And sometimes dopamine is really all I need to get out of my funk or I reach out to people in the unleash you family that I just met.

Right.

And so when I say that God put all these great people and all these great circumstances around me, I really am going through this journey and it's hard, but on the outside, I'm surrounded by great people that I can lean on that support for me and A group for me and, and figuring out who I am along the way has been huge because now I know how to make myself feel better.

That's awesome.

Now I will tell you this.

Your story is a beautiful testimony to what God can do in a life.

And I really honor that and I appreciate that.

I will say one side note.

Interesting enough you just said about everyone wants to be a vet, but you just wanted animals.

I think that sums up my daughter, my 13 year old.

All she's talking about is like wanting 36 chickens and four horses and 48 ferrets or whatever she's always talking about, but then she's, I'll just be a vet.

But I don't want to operate on animals.

So if she ever listens to this episode, what's up?

So I love that for her.

It's so great.

Good.

You go, girl.

Get those 40 tickets.

Yeah.

So my wife, my wife listens to the episode.

She can share that part with her because I may not remember, but.

So what are you working on now and, and what's in the near future for you?

So connected with some great, amazing people that also had a little bit of their own trauma.

And in April, we're doing our own event called Unbound, which I'm really excited about, working on my second book and just creating, getting our message out there.

But I'm also working on a format and a outline to help people give them something tangible, almost like a guidebook for this journey of finding self, love and embracing who you are and all the things.

And that will be coming out soon, probably at Unbound, at the Unbound event, but lots of different podcasts and stages to just get the word out there and see how many people I can help make a difference and empower them to be who they are.

Because there's nobody greater than us.

We're like a fingerprint, right?

Original.

So that's it.

So for the listener, for you guys out there, as you, as we come landing this episode, all of that's going to be in the show Notes.

I, myself and my wife will be attending in one form or capacity or another.

So make sure you guys hit all the notes.

I'm gonna also link her books and everything else that she's got for you and how to find her.

But with that being said, people know how to find you generally if they were looking for you right now.

Yeah.

So on Instagram I am at AB authentically and then I'm authentically AB on TikTok.

That's where I post most of my content.

But you can catch me on Instagram stories for real in the moment about what I go through day to day.

Facebook at Ashley for Dash T and really that's it.

Just find me on the socials.

My book is on Amazon Unloved to Unstoppable and we would love for you guys to get it and then give me some feedback, give me all the feedback, do a review so I know if I'm going the right direction.

If it's actually being helpful, I would appreciate that the most.

So guys, you heard all of that, all of those state all of those things will be put in the show notes and as we close the segment section out of this interview, Ashley, we do a segment called hashtag wisdom bomb, you guys on the show that if you follow me on Facebook, lead at Jim, lead with Jim, that I do a hashtag fit wisdom bomb or hashtag wisdom of the day every single day.

With that being said, what wisdom bomb would you leave with our audience?

I just want people to remember that your hard times, right every whatever day that shows up for you, you have already gone through hard things in life, no matter what age you were, whatever that looked like in your past, and you overcame that.

And you're still here, standing, breathing, given another day, another opportunity to change the outcome.

And just remember, you overcame everything you overcame before because it was preparing you to be capable of overcoming this big obstacle or the next obstacle for you to get where you need to go on your journey.

And I will be here to support you and great people like Jim will too.

I appreciate that.

Make sure you guys go follow Ashley on all the things.

You're not going to be disappointed.

I promise you that.

And with that being said, we are coming to the close of this episode, my friends.

You have been listening to grace and the grind.

And we are here to empower, to encourage and to equip Christians in business, Christian entrepreneurs to do all that God has called them to do, called you to do.

And with that being said, Ashley, thanks for being on the show today.

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