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You can be self-aware, smart, and deeply committed to growth and still feel stuck when it comes to follow-through. In this episode, I’m joined by Karen Canham, board-certified coach and neurosomatics specialist, founder of Karen Ann Wellness, to talk about why change is not a willpower problem. It’s a capacity problem.
Karen breaks down what’s really happening when you’re pushing, overthinking, self-blaming, or stuck in “healing mode” without feeling truly healed. We talk about how nervous system regulation creates internal safety and why that safety is what makes sustainable change possible.
We also explore why so many people feel disconnected, reactive, and exhausted right now, and how coming back to connection, embodiment, and self-trust can shift everything, personally and professionally.
In this conversation, we cover:
- Why motivation and “trying harder” often backfires
- Capacity for change and how to expand it without force
- The trap of staying stuck in healing mode
- Embodiment and creating a safety anchor you can return to
- Why connection is a sign you’re actually healing
- How regulation changes the way you lead, communicate, and show up
Learn more about Karen and explore working with her at karenannwellness.com.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You can be self-aware, intelligent, and deeply committed to growth, and still feel stuck when it comes to follow-through. The reason has far less to do with motivation than most people think, and understanding it changes everything.
Hi, and welcome to the You World Order Showcase Podcast, where we feature life, health, transformational coaches, and spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to be the change they seek in the world.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm your host, Jill Hart, the Coach's Alchemist, on a mission to empower coaches to
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Amplify their voice, monetize their mission, and get visible. If you're ready to start attracting premium clients without chasing algorithms or hunting people down like a banshee on a mission, head on over to thecoachesalchemist.com and schedule your free client acquisition audit. It's the first step to building a business where your clients seek you out rather than
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you having to hunt them down. Today, we are chatting with Karen Canem.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Karen is a board-certified coach and neurosomatics specialist, and the founder of Karen Ann Wellness. She helps individuals and organizations move from chronic stress and reactivity into regulation, internal safety, and self-trust. With a background spanning corporate leadership, functional medicine, yoga, and somatic, and parts work, Karen brings a grounded, practical approach to healing.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That starts with understanding why our patterns make sense.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And builds change that actually lasts. Welcome to the show, Karen. It's great to have you with us.
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::KC: Thanks for having me.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So let me ask you the big question. What's the most significant thing, in your opinion, as individuals, we can do to make an impact on how the world is going?
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::KC: Do the work on yourself.
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::KC: Stop pointing the fingers outward on what needs to change and what people need to do differently, and…
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::KC: Focus on your own things.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, I totally agree.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's not the easy route.
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::KC: Done.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's the most, most effective and impactful route.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, when we talk about, you know.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: People making changes for themselves, and taking personal responsibility for their lives.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Which is easier said than done in a lot of ways, but what… what would be some ideas for how to help people
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Wrap their head around that idea.
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::KC: I mean, we've all heard, probably, especially people listening to those podcasts, is you cannot control other people, you can only control yourself.
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::KC: Keeping that in mind, I feel like, is helpful, but there needs to be a deeper why of…
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::KC: They're usually, you know, it's like some type of breaking point of, like, I am really stressed, I have, like, a chronic condition now, my relationship is falling apart, I have money issues, you know, big things like that, of where people are like, enough is enough, and this cannot go on like this.
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::KC: Now, if there isn't something big like that, then a lot of people now are getting more aware of just, like, brain health in general, and, like, what could possibly happen in the future if
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::KC: If we don't work on our brain health, and that there is…
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::KC: So much now, unfortunately, that is just really stressful, for humans that…
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::KC: The good news is, is it's become… people are becoming more aware that it's as important as, like, taking care of your body and, you know, doing the exercising. It's the same thing for the brain, and so really finding that intrinsic why is gonna be really important to do this type of work.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You talk about motivation not being enough, that it has to do with our capacity for change.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Do you want to expand on that a little bit?
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::KC: Yeah, I mean, I think when we look at motivation, a lot of that is pushing. We're… we're pushing through, we're pretending, we're tricking our brain into doing certain things, and a lot of times, that's just creating more disruption in our system. We're not necessarily aligned to.
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::KC: the things that we want to be doing, because we're not paying attention to ourselves. And so, I don't particularly like to use the word slowing down, but I'll use it in this instance of just, like.
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::KC: Taking the time to really get into our body is really important in terms of alignment and, making those choices that are aligned with the person that you ideally are.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: how do you feel about recognizing who you are? Because I think sometimes we go through life, and we're just like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We're just going through life, pushing, pushing, pushing, we have these goals, and… and we don't take the time to…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Decide who we want to show up as.
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::KC: Exactly. That's most of, like, what we're taught to do, especially in, like, corporations, just societal pressures.
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::KC: That is starting to shift, and that is the work that I do.
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::KC: I'm sorry, can you repeat the question?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It was just more around the goal that we're taught is to just keep pushing, rather than deciding who we want to show up as.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Making a decision for how we want to be in the world, and letting the world conform to us, rather than us.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Having to try to push the world to be like, we want it.
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::KC: Yeah.
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::KC: there's lots of things of why it were developed that way, and some of those things that we just mentioned, and it's really uncomfortable to do it in the opposite way, because that is not the norm, and that is not… it's going against, what most people are doing, right? It can feel really scary.
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::KC: But what can happen is when we're not…
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::KC: When we're not paying attention to, who we truly are, and we don't even really know what our identity is, we start making these decisions that… that are not,
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::KC: Not aligned with us, and then that can create, again, a lot of those, like, chronic conditions,
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::KC: it can create, you know, to a place of where you're having, like, you know, like, you finally kind of have a breaking point. So…
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::KC: It's… Yeah, I hope that answers the question. I mean, I feel like I keep repeating myself, but it's…
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::KC: It's, sorry.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You're good, you're good. It's just a conversation, so…
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::KC: I see today.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: There's days when we all show up like that.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: How… how do you feel about the… the whole…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: brain capacity to change things that's happening now. I remember when I was young, it was like, no, your brain's done.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Women 21, men 25.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It will never change. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. But we're learning that that is just simply not true.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: How does… how does that play into what you're… what you're doing and how you're helping people?
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::KC: It's not true at all in terms of the science and the rewiring of the brain. We know that now. It is really difficult for people to do the deep work on themselves.
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::KC: And again, there's several reasons of why that can be. We just didn't do it, right? A lot of it was just like, well, we… we hide our emotions, we stuff down our emotions, we keep moving along, we push through, we don't talk about things.
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::KC: And now we're seeing this shift of, like, where that can create a lot of issues, in the body, in society, and so…
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::KC: Yeah, I don't think it's… it's not that it can't happen, it's that it's really difficult for people to do. It's really difficult for… especially as we get older, because now we've been stuck in these patterns for, like, a very long time.
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::KC: And it feels scarier and scarier for people to kind of explore
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::KC: those patterns, and where they started, and, you know, how they're showing up now, and it feels easier. It feels easier just to continue to go on with the status quo. And that's why I say, like, a lot of people will have to have some breaking point where they're like.
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::KC: I don't want to do this anymore, I'm gonna choose to do this work, and then there's some people, probably, like.
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::KC: a lot of people that listen to this podcast that are just, like, that type of person, right? They love the inner work. And they're… they're constantly doing inner work, and we can talk about that, too, is, like, sometimes, people that I see…
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::KC: that do a lot of inner work, that's a trauma response as well. So there's definitely…
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::KC: a part of, like, when I'm assessing someone that I'm gonna do work with, it's like, how much work have they already done, and what ultimately are they trying to do? Because there's no, endpoint, you know? We're all on a journey, none of us are perfect,
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::KC: And it's… it's, like, what… sometimes I… I think, it can be more harmful for people that… that are really in this world of, like, this wellness and doing the work that, it's just, like, never enough. And so we need to be cautious of that, too.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: there is a… you're identifying a really big trap that I see people fall into, and it's the… it's…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And many people will deny this, but it is a victim mentality trap, where they recognize that they've had trauma, and they're trying to work through the trauma, but they get stuck in the working through. They never actually get to a place of, okay, so this is what healing looks like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you've arrived, and now your journey continues on. What are you going to do with this, now that you're not stuck in that trauma? But if you're trying to DIY it, it's really easy to get stuck in the healing
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Mode, and never…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: feel healed, because you don't know what healed looks like, because you've always experienced this trauma. You've been in the pit, it's hard to see
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That you're outside of the pit, because in the beginning, it doesn't look any different.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And if you don't have somebody that comes alongside you and says, hey, this is our goal, and
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: This is how to get there, and this is how you'll know that you're making progress.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Does that make sense to you?
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::KC: Yeah…
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::KC: Yeah, so I… let me just say this, and I think that it will help, that the work that I do, I do, have an assessment that people take that's kind of like a…
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::KC: quiz… I mean, there's lots of assessments that I do, but one is just, like, it gives them an understanding of where their nervous system is at currently.
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::KC: And then we'll do, like, a midway check-in point and an end check-in point. I think the whole… not I think, the whole purpose of this type of work is to show up in a space that's really, like.
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::KC: regulated and shows them what that looks like, and gives them… not just gives them that felt sense of what that feels like to be, like, in that space, and that really… that helps them heal. But yeah, a lot of people are getting…
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::KC: they're not going out and living, and I see this more and more… more and more isolation, more and more,
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::KC: I saw someone yesterday that looks like she's successful, but was like, you know, I basically chose to cut everyone off, and that's what I had to do in order to be me, and, you know, I'm successful because I'm by myself all the time, and I'm like, well…
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::KC: That…
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::KC: doesn't sound good. I mean, we have to have connection. Connection is… is… if you're not connected with people, that's a… that's something to pay attention to, and be like.
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::KC: this isn't living, right? Connection is human… that's human nature, and we need to be connected, and when we are connected with people, that's a really good indication that, like, I'm in a good place.
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::KC: So… Yeah, I mean, there's so much,
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::KC: going on in the world, and going back to your very first question of, like, when I answered of, like, focus on yourself, I definitely don't mean, like, shut people out. Being connected with people, and, you know, I think I see that a lot now, that that is something that a lot of people are really struggling with, and just getting more curious about that, and why…
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::KC: That's there, in… in… You know, changing that piece of us, is… Healing in itself.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think moving from… being…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: out to confirm your bias, to just allowing yourself to be curious about other people without having to make a judgment about them. Just let them…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Let them be who they want to be.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And you be who you want to be.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And, you know, if the conversation goes.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Great, you don't have to be right.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They don't have to be right. We can just… chair.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it's like…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I used to equate it to looking at, like, a diamond. A diamond has lots of different facets. Doesn't make it any less a diamond. If you're looking at one side and I'm looking at a different part, it… it just means that we have different perspectives.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And all perspectives are good perspectives. They allow us to explore other people's thought processes, and who knows, you know, hearing somebody else's thought processes might shift yours a little bit, too.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We really need to get back into the art of having a conversation with people, and being…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Being able to talk to people in a way that doesn't trigger us and cause our nervous systems to just
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Start firing up, and… and… and…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We live in a period of time where people are so anxious.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think it's just because we're… we're constantly being bombarded with fear messages, and, you know, you've got to pick aside messages, and, you know.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's not helping any of us.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's not helping countries, it's not helping people.
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::KC: Yeah, I totally agree, and… You know, going back to that first question again, it's like…
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::KC: Yeah, you… there's a part of, like, this intelligence piece of, that you have to recognize that, like.
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::KC: the media is there to… it's a business, and psychologically, like, you know, humans are attracted to drama and chaos, and, you know, that's what's created, and know that, like, this isn't healthy for me.
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::KC: So, yeah, and then, you know, this… this narrative that's been created of, like, this right and wrong, it's like, yeah, we've really lost the ability to be open and…
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::KC: Accepting of people.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They're… people.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't know where you stand on masks, but masks trigger me, because it's… it dehumanizes us.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It allows people to be rude, When they might be kind.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and it's everybody. You know, I'm dealing with the medical community right now, and I notice as soon as the masks come on, the people behind the masks tend to be a lot ruder and shorter with other people. And I don't think they do it on purpose.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's just that we're hidden, so nobody can see us. Online, it's the same way. You know, you have interactions with people, and it… it,
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They're just, like… There are a lot…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: More tempted to be short, rather than to be kind.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Kindness doesn't cost anything.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You can choose kindness in the world.
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::KC: Yeah, that's interesting about the… the mass piece. I live in Florida, so I, like, don't hardly ever see masks.
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::KC: But
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::KC: Yeah, the… I mean, people obviously are… are… have a much more confidence when they're behind a screen, or even behind the mask, right?
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::KC: But also, all of that stuff is creating… is creating fear in us. And then we're… we're afraid to then go connect with people.
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::KC: And… and the…
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::KC: in the one-on-one, because we're not… we're… all that other stuff is going on. That's what we're being fed all the time, that's what we're seeing all the time, and so it's…
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::KC: it creates, like, we're not really sure. In our system, then, it's like, we're not really sure what's gonna happen when I'm with this person, like, face-to-face.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, let's… let's bring this back to how you help people, specifically, and let's… let's talk about who. Who do you help, mainly? What…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What does somebody experience that might say, hey, Karen, I really need to have a conversation with you?
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::KC: Well, a lot of people that I help are women, and they own businesses, and a lot of things that they're coming to me with is.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I feel stuck.
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::KC: I am unhappy. Even though, like, my business may be successful, I don't feel good, internally. I can't get clients,
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::KC: Or there's other people that may not be entrepreneurs, and it's like, I… I…
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::KC: you know, my relationship is blowing up, or, you know, I'm so affected by everything that's going on around me, or people,
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::KC: those, I would say, are the main things that they come to me with. A lot of people will come to me and say, like, it's a communication issue, like, I've worked with corporations, or I work with corporations, and it…
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::KC: That's what it always comes down to, of what they say, is, like, it's a communication issue, and then we can dig deeper and really realize, like, what's going on there.
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::KC: At the surface, yeah, it's a communication issue, but underneath, it's these parts of us that are showing up, and that's why that… that's why the breakdown's happening.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, do you work with people strictly one-on-one, or do you work in group settings? So, I do both.
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::KC: Yeah, I have one-on-ones, I do containers for that, so I offer a 6-month container. This is not, like, there's no quick fixes in this type of work, there's no hacks. And that's what I found, that there's really a lot of…
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::KC: there's a lot of change that takes place within the third session. People will say to me, like, I'm recognizing things are different, like, I'm showing up different, people are behaving differently around me. But it's a… it's a process that we go through, and at 6 months is really where I start to see shifts.
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::KC: I will say, you know, that… and in that, why I call it a container is because it's really important that
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::KC: they feel contained. There's this place for them that they feel this safety and this trust, and, you know, it's not just that I'm meeting with them every week, I'm… they also have access to me where they feel like…
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::KC: you know, if something's happening in the moment, that they don't have to wait for that next session, that's really important as well.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And then I do groups, too. The groups may look different depending on who the group is for, but those are usually more of a,
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::KC: kind of dipping your toe into this type of work and having a better understanding of what it is. And then I do… I work with corporations, and I'll do… a lot of… a lot of the corporations will move into one-on-one work with people, but it usually starts with workshops.
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::KC: And I'll meet with whoever it is, the owner, L&D department, and we'll talk about, like, what their goals are, and put together workshops for them.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I love that. And I love that you're… you're working not just online, but you work in the real world with real companies that are out there, and I think companies…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I know they need this.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But work so badly. And the more that, women are moving up in
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: in the leadership positions, I see more of these types of things being presented for people in companies. We've…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: For many years, As businesses have developed.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They've… they've taken women, they've tried to make them, like, men.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But women have a different cycle and a rhythm to their lives.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: even if they have no children, we just have different rhythms than men do. We have 28-day cycles, they have 12-hour cycles. So things that men show up for, and this isn't to bash men at all, I love men, that they…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: they function in life differently than women function in life, and there's not a lot women can do about it. You just, like, there are days
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: During the month that…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you just really just need to stay in bed. I'm sorry. That's just the way it is, and you can push through it, like a lot of women have been trained to do, or you can come to terms and understand how your body is reacting, and what chemicals are going through your body.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And what message your body is trying to give you, and maybe listening a little more.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't know, what are your thoughts on that?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Justice, like.
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::KC: Well, I mean, men and women, yeah, there's a lot of differences,
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::KC: And that's just not, like, a biological factor, but it's a societal thing as well. I was just talking to a man earlier today about, you know, that men aren't supposed to cry, and how much that suppresses
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::KC: Worst thing ever.
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::KC: Yeah, and it… you know, it's…
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::KC: Of course, I'm a woman, so I probably pay more attention to women, and again, this is not to bash men either, but this society has been built around the man, because the man's built the society, so…
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::KC: I definitely see more openness in this type of work coming into these companies. I recently did a workshop with all men who were blue-collar workers.
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::KC: that was amazing, and very different than if you would have gone into and done a workshop for nurses, for example.
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::KC: So, the cool thing was, though, about with working with those men, is that they were really open to doing the work, and they wanted change. They wanted to feel less stress, not only in their work, but also, like, in their home lives as well.
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::KC: So it's all about getting the languaging right, where you can communicate with them in that way. But yeah, there's so much that can be said here as far as, like.
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::KC: The conditions that are put on us, and oppressions, and…
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::KC: How that has led to so much of where we're at today, and why we…
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::KC: why we're at this place of, like, separation, disconnected, reactivity, isolation. It's because…
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::KC: We've been told to do things in a certain way for a long time that just go against, who we truly are as a human being, our nature.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Alright.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Exactly. It's… it's so hard to… To… to keep pushing
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: in a direction that you're just, like, pushing against a cement wall. And people recognize it on… on a lot of different levels.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It… but… They're starting to do something about it now, and having somebody like you that's, like.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: okay, this is… this is the problem, and this is how we can work through it and get around that big wall. Would that be a fair thing to say about…
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::KC: What you do?
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::KC: Yeah, I think that's a good way to look at it.
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::KC: Yeah, you can look at it that way. It's just a different…
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::KC: It really is a different way of being and showing up in life. It's a lot of… it's just feeling safe.
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::KC: feeling safe again. So when we were born as children, we felt safe. When you look at a baby, or you look at a small child.
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::KC: you can tell that they're… they feel safe. They may have a reaction when they don't, right? But they come back into that safety pretty quickly. That gets lost along the way for many reasons, and so that's what this work is all about, is coming back to… to that… to that safety.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Love that. And I think… This may even play into so many people
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: are out there, and this is… I'm gonna…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm not even gonna go there. I'll talk to you about it at a different time, but…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think it's really needed right now, because there are so many people that are looking at, you know, should I go on or should I not?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'll phrase it that way. And we don't…
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: we don't want people to be out there thinking, this is just useless, I'm going to give up, in the big way.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we're seeing a lot more of it happening in society, whereas if they could just find somebody, whether it's you or somebody else, who can help them work through how to be in this world in a way that they do feel safe.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah. Because there are… there are ways to do that.
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::KC: Yeah, and it's different for everyone.
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::KC: And so that's why, too, like, when I do these group programs, it's more of a, like.
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::KC: dipping toe, like, overview, like, an introduction to the work, because everybody is, so different. So, like, I may… you may… you may feel safe watching the news every day, and that may be totally okay for your brain, and for me, that's… that's not gonna be good for me at all. It's not gonna create safety in my system.
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::KC: And so, we don't necessarily talk about those things. We may, right? But the work that we're really doing is embodiment. We're getting out of the head, we're getting into the body.
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::KC: And those answers come to us.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, I think we all know the answers intuitively, but we've just been trained to ignore them, and then our bodies start sending us messages, and then we go to the doctor to try to have that
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: dampen down. We don't want to hear that message, so just, you know, give us something to disguise it, as I point to my shoulder, because I've been having conversations with my shoulder.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I totally understand what it's trying to tell me, and I keep trying to tell it, it's okay.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: This is not a forever thing, so… So I know that you offer people a… a little consult, might not even be little, it might be big.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You offer people a consult, and they can do that, at karenannwellness.com, is that right?
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::KC: Yeah, they can, book through there, and then my socials are on there as well, so they can book through, my LinkedIn and Instagram as well, and so if they're really interested in this work, I can take them through.
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::KC: you know, a brief series of what that really feels like and what that looks like, so they have a better understanding of, like, what this type of work is. Yes?
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So if they're feeling stuck, frustrated, or quietly self-blaming.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What do you think is, like, the first shift they need to make to move from effort and pressure into real sustainable change?
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::KC: So, this is a… this is not necessarily an easy question, because part of my work is when I'm coming in, I'm…
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::KC: mapping their system, so I'm… I'm looking at their… their body language, I'm listening to their thoughts and other things for me to assess, like.
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::KC: where they are at in their nervous system. So someone who comes in… comes to me and they're, like, in a very heightened state, what we do in the beginning is going to be very different than someone who comes to me and they're in a shutdown state.
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::KC: Usually, what we would do is, most people that are gonna come to me, they're very much in their minds, and so we're trying to work to get comfortable, to get into the body, and that really is the first piece of creating this…
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::KC: creating safety, but… because they'll start to feel like… if I say, let's use your shoulder, and I say, okay, let's just focus in on, like, all these sensations that you're feeling in your shoulder right now, and then we can name, like, do you see a color? Is it prickly? Do you feel, like.
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::KC: coolness, and really getting into it. For someone who has not been in their body, that can be really activating to them.
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::KC: And so, we want to make sure that we're…
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::KC: carefully titrating into the system and doing this work, so that their system can handle it. Otherwise, you can cause more harm and rupture in their system.
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::KC: We always want to create safety, so we'll, we'll start with, like.
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::KC: finding something that feels safe to you, whether that's relational, environmental, or within your body. So we want to have that safety anchor, and that can be different on different days. To be able to, when we start to feel a little bit activated, possibly, in the work, that we're…
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::KC: Able to come back to that anchor and really feel… really feel safe.
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::KC: But me as a guide, and going back to, yes, the answers are within you, that's the whole truth, but me as your guide, and being trained in this, what I'm watching for is where your system is, and then guiding you through the work, and then…
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::KC: bringing you back into safety, and then more, so that the goal, ultimately, is to, what we touched on earlier, is to expand this capacity, right? So a lot of people are coming in, and why we're so reactive, or why we isolate, or we're shutting down, is because
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::KC: Our capacity has gotten so small of, like, what we're able to handle.
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::KC: And we want to get back to the place of, like, you know, these things aren't as triggering to me anymore.
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::KC: I know when I can somatically feel what these things feel like in my body, then I can catch them quicker than when they come to my mind, and then I can intervene. And that starts to create safety in the body as well.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It just feels so much better. Overall.
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::KC: Yeah.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Thank you so much for joining us today, Karen. It's been a great conversation.
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::KC: Thanks for having me. Great questions.
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::Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To learn more about Karen, and to explore working with her, please visit karenannwellness.com, and we'll be sure to link to that in the show notes below. Thanks for tuning in with us today to the You World Order Showcase Podcast. If you're ready to amplify your voice, monetize your mission, and start attracting premium clients.
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