Dave asks William: "if you adopted a black child, and your family member referred to your child with the N-word, how would you handle it?" William tells how something similar actually happened in his family. Then we discuss how to live in a world full of thoughtless, heartless, evil people. And how did Jesus do it?

Redemptive Suffering is voluntary, substitutionary suffering.

What do you think of redemptive suffering? How are you trying to live this way? What are your limits? Write to us at thehopperpodcast@gmai.com.