What if earning more than you need while doing work you love begins with changing the way you think and speak about money?

Kate welcomes Marla Mattenson back for Part 2 of their conversation about women, money, creativity and abundance. Together, they explore how financial flow is connected to creative expression, nervous system regulation and the beliefs operating beneath the surface.

Marla shares how complaining about money can reinforce scarcity, why dread may be a sign that something needs to change and how the “capture and compost” method can help you work with stressful thoughts without letting them control you.

They also explore expanded net worth, which includes your intuition, creativity, resilience, joy, relationships and lived experience, not just the money in your bank account.

This conversation invites you to become more conscious of your relationship with money, trust your inner knowing and take one imperfect step toward sharing your gifts.

In This Episode We Explore:

• How creativity and financial flow are connected
• Why dread can signal that change is needed
• How your language reinforces abundance or scarcity
• The “capture and compost” method
• How financial fear affects the nervous system
• What expanded net worth really means
• Why imperfect action creates momentum

Your Practice for This Week:

Create a note in your phone titled “Money Thoughts.”

Capture any stressful or limiting thoughts that arise around money, work, time or receiving. Later, review them from a grounded place and notice any repeating patterns.

Then choose one small, imperfect action that moves you closer to sharing your gifts.

Resources and Next Steps:

Take Marla’s free Money, Love or Time quiz to uncover your first growth edge and receive a personalized audio activation:

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About the Guest:

Marla Mattenson guides highly sensitive entrepreneurs and conscious organizations in sales, business, and love to consistently earn more than they need, doing the work they love.

With her background in neuroscience and mathematics from UCLA & Claremont Graduate University, nervous system regulation training, and 23 years sitting Vipassana Meditation, Marla is a modern mystic. She blends logic and intuition into a calm, potent approach to navigating the “oh shit" moments with grace, ease, joy & flow.

Marla has helped thousands; including Academy Award-winning actors, producers and directors, NBA players and coaches, Grammy Award-winning artists, legal teams, wealth advisors, city employees, and visionary entrepreneurs.

She is a perpetual student of what moves us beyond cycles of harm, devoted to conversations that transform.

As the Visionary & CEO of Beacons Global, faculty at UT Law teaching Ethics, and enjoying life in Santa Barbara with her family, Marla practices everything she teaches in business, love & life.

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AI, let's just say AI and the rapid

onset of more and more AI tools that are helpful and

useful for businesses and, and companies,

agencies, organizations, and individuals. The more this

expands, the more humans are not

meant to do repetitive work. Ugh.

We are meant to— I think the robots are meant to do repetitive work. Yeah,

that's what I was about to say. I felt that tingle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, anything repetitive, anything that can be

automated, Is something that absolutely will be replaced

by AI and really is meant to. Why?

So that we can be in our creative

expression. Hello, beautiful.

Welcome to the New Truth Podcast for part 2

with the one and only legend herself,

Marla Mattinson, because the topic of money and

women and us Living our best, most expansive,

abundant lives is really a, it's a long

conversation and, um, needed at least 2 episodes. We'll see,

maybe it'll need 3. We'll see how today goes, but I'm so happy to have

you back. Hi, Marla. Hi. Hi. I know we might need a slumber party

for real. Yeah, exactly.

So we are gonna go deeper into the conversation of how to transform your

relationship with money as a woman in the modern world,

2026. The world is changing so fast and time is

going by so fast. Maybe we should talk about that. I'm like, it makes

me so uncomfortable. Time is going by so fast and,

um, and life is just, yeah, flying by. And I feel like

we, we now have an opportunity more than ever to really do

anything we want. Actually, I've never, I haven't really landed on that

statement. It just came through right now, but like really we have, we live in

a time in history where we can do and be

anything we desire. So how do you

feel about that? Let's start there. I agree. I

agree. And we are in a time not only that we

can do anything that we want, we're actually

being called to. Yes, we're being

called, you know, AI,

let's just say AI and the

rapid onset of more and more AI tools that are

helpful and useful for businesses and

companies, agencies, organizations, and individuals. The

more this expands, the more

humans are not meant to do repetitive

work. We are meant to— That's the robots are meant to do

repetitive work. That's the robots are for. I feel lots of tingles. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

exactly. Anything repetitive, anything that can be automated is

something that absolutely will

be replaced by AI and really is meant to.

Why? So that we can be in our creative

expression. And so my

invitation to myself, to you, to everyone

is, if you're not living a highly creative

life right now, why not? What's

in the way? Because all of those blockages

are being moved and will continue to be moved. Yeah.

Because I believe that we are moving into a time

of incredible human creativity, and I

believe that one of the most creative things that you can do is own a

business that does exactly what you love

doing in the world. Okay, we need to, like, stop and let this

sink in. I have never— I love that you asked me before, can I talk

about my perspective on AI? And I was like, you go for it. This is

your episode, whatever you're gonna say. I have never heard

anyone say that. Which part? Actually, the part

about how the robots are for the

repetition. And because as you're talking, I'm like, yeah, the repetition

kills our fucking souls. We're not supposed to screw

on the toothpaste lid. Like, people used

to do that, right? And then machines came along and replaced them. Like, we're not

supposed to live in Groundhog Day and have the same day every day, which

so many people do because they're just living in fear

and And living in that, um, we'll unpack all of that today. And

I, I know, and, but like, yeah,

we're meant to be creatively expressed in our souls in the world. That is

really profound. Wow. Thank you. Good start. Good start.

Let's go. I'll tell you this. There is a huge

convergence of technology happening right now. So Nassim

Haramein, um, is a physicist and he His

work is very controversial, and take it— so take it for what you want,

but check him out. He

has basically proven

some scientific theories and made it open source. And

so the— essentially, in layman's terms, the

scientific theory that he's been working on is how do you

describe the most nano tiny thing

and the most largest, you know, cosmic thing using the same equations?

And that's what Einstein was trying to work on. And so

essentially, he has created this unified

field theory that there is an actual equation for it. It's long.

And so he published this white paper, and he has a bunch of

scientists that have been looking at it and working

with it, and some people are trying to debunk it. But essentially what it does

is it shows that inside every

atom is a black hole. And what that means is there's

infinite energy available. And so we're moving

into a time where energy is not going to cost anything.

It's going to be free. And so when energy becomes a

free resource, then all of the

paying of the electric bill and the paying of the gas bill, all

these utilities, all of those things eventually will

be— Gone. There'd be no charge for them because it'd be pennies

for, you know, an entire state or country. So

let's just float along in this imaginary

realm where that's already done, where

robots are doing things that are repetitive and

humans are living more from their creative flow.

They are the artists and the creatives and the musicians

and the inventors. Yeah. And this energy

is free. Let's just say we fast forward to a

time where that is true. And we've also already gone

through the, if I don't have to work, then what am I gonna do with

my time? Okay, that has also now

been solved. Why? Because there are people like you, people

like me, and other people who help

people come through their old habitual ways of

sabotaging and punishing themselves and moved into

the creative flow. And when the creativity is flowing, the

finances also flow. So,

in this time, it's going to be rare

that somebody is doing something they don't actually want to do.

So the question is, how do we bridge that for ourselves

right now? And one way to do that is to ask ourselves,

okay, How in the flow

am I now of my own creative expression? Do I

get up and feel motivated and inspired and I'm so

excited for the day and I get my creativity tools and I

start right away? Or do I get up and drag myself out of

bed and, and I have to get to work and, and I'm kind of

dreading it, but it's okay. And, you know, what level

of creative, creative expression are you already living? And that's

one first step to ask ourselves,

and because there's always room for more. Yes. Have you heard the

term the Sunday scaries?

I have not. I think yes, and. I have not had a job in

so many years because I, I mean, before doing what I'm doing now, I, I've

had done this for 10 years. And before that, as you know, where I worked

with Callan and Justin on their business. So I haven't had like a traditional

job job in 20 years.

And, um, but my clients that have traditional job jobs, it's a term now.

Maybe it was Gen Z. They have cute, lots of cute terms. I don't know

where it came from, but the Sunday scaries are

people that get anxiety. And I remember having this on Sunday.

They're like, the weekend, wait for the weekend. Can't always in anticipation energy, never

like really experiencing life. And then they get to Sunday and they're

terrified, anxious the later the day goes because they're, um,

anxious about going back to work on Monday and how many people just live in

that. So when you're saying like starting your day off creativity versus like going to

the job that is mundane or that you don't like, like that

is, I mean, that's a term now that so many people identify with, which

means they're in a job that they don't love and that isn't creatively

expressed. Right. I think you're the one who told me about that term. That's why

I was like, I think yes, but I think it came from you. Oh,

I'm so with it. You are. You're super with it.

Um, I, I understand that. I

understand that. You know, when I was a high school math teacher, I did

that for 7 years in Los Angeles Unified. And

I remember Sunday nights, you know, being like, oh, okay, gonna—

gotta get up early in the morning tomorrow. And, you know, I was just kind

of in that habit, and I never dreaded it.

As soon as I started dreading it, I was already making my way

out. So, I don't ever stay in anything that I dread for any period of

time. As soon as dread arises, Right. Mm-hmm. I go,

oh, this is a sign that I'm meant to be

open for the next thing. And I look around in my

life and I go, okay. And I start receiving guidance from

my guides, my spirits, angels, and mentors that don't

have form. And I go, okay, so I'm sensing that this

thing is closing. What's the next that's opening? And

that also happened in my marriage. I knew, oh,

This is closing. But I don't want it to close. Oh,

it's closing. It's closing. Mm-hmm. And then it closed.

And then I turn, I look, and then there's the next. So

the idea is to be able to move through transitions with as much grace and

ease as possible, and to start to notice

if you have dread. Dread is not a

problem. Dread is a sign that something is off.

You're meant to look deeply at the dread

and receive as much as you can from it.

And in fact, I really encourage people to capture

as much of the dread as possible in the moment that

it arises. So take a note in your phone and

put stressful thoughts on the top or something, and then put the

date and the time it happens, and then say, ugh,

I don't wanna go to work today. And then let it go. And then the

next dread thought, put it at the top with the date and the time,

and you'll start to notice there's patterns to these thoughts. And

they maybe come up every Sunday night, or they come up every, you

know, Monday afternoon, or after your boss visits you

in your office, right? Or after the meeting, you go, ugh,

finally that's over, or different times. But dread is not

a problem. Dread is a signal.

Yes, totally agreed. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Such a big one. So, um, okay.

So before we went on that little sidebar,

what were we, where were we before we went on that sidebar? We were talking

about creative expression. Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The

big, I'm like, it knocked me over. Creative expression and

living from the soul. So yeah, let's talk because, and can you, can you

connect it more with money? Like, what are your beliefs around

money and like staying in this job that maybe you dread it? May— I know

what a lot of people do, stay in dread jobs they dread for a really

long time. Like, it's amazing that you had that— For money. For money. Yeah. Golden

handcuffs. It's amazing that you had that built-in system that was like, I mean,

we all do, but that you were actually able to respond to it. Um,

but yeah, just for, for, for all of those women out there who are

just in, in a job, whether they hate it or they're miserable

or they're bored, or it's just mundane, or just, they just

doesn't make them feel alive. What, and, and connected to money

and, and, and all of that, cuz this, yeah, just transforming our relationship with

money. What, what are your opinions around that? Well,

look, money is part of

creative expression. It's not separate

from it. So in order to have creative expression,

that means that you are tapped into the

flow and the flow of your own

creativity. It doesn't mean that you have to

charge money for your whatever you create.

Let's say you make necklaces and you

you get into a meditative state and you do some beading,

and that, and then you have these beautiful beaded things.

You could barter with those things. You could have these

beautiful things that you then do a value exchange for.

I know a lot of creative people who do value exchanges, also known

as bartering. And if you view that as a

money exchange, now it becomes part of your

creative expression where the value of what you've created

has also a financial value, even if you don't assign one to it.

It does have a financial value to it. You used certain materials. Those

materials, even if they came from the earth,

wherever you are, you used something to

pull them together. So the connection between creative

expression and money is very personal. So

if you want to earn from your creative expression,

Then you're going to want to study with people who

have done that. If you want to just be in

creative expression to make your life more buoyant, to

feel better, to feel more alive, to feel more joy,

then you need to probably take something like The Artist's Way

by Julia Cameron. I took that course with my

friend Kelly, and I've I co-taught it with her for

years. It's a great— it's 12 Weeks to Recovering a Sense of

Creative Expression. So it's a really

great way to sort of recover your own

creativity. So if you feel really distant from it, you gotta

like jumpstart it. If you're connected with

it and you wanna make a business out of it, then that's when

you wanna start listening to some other things. Like, for example,

Your language around money is one of the big

number one things I can tell by just having a

conversation with somebody, where their

financial set point is, where their ceiling is financially,

what they think about money and how they think about it. And from there, I

get a sense of where they would be blocked,

where the open channels are, and where essentially The

greatest and easiest pathway is

for them to have financial flow coming in from their creative expression.

I can even see like the, you asking that question, like if you

just wanna do, if you wanna do creative expression to make money or creative

expression just for the joy of it, it's like even someone who's saying just for

the joy of it and I'll just stay in my job, that could be rooted

in fear. And, um, and either way,

there's gonna be beliefs they have that are limiting their ability,

even within someone else's business, that are limiting their

ability to let the abundance flow. So, can you give us some examples or

tell some stories of women you've worked with and what

you discovered getting in there? Oh my gosh, we have so many stories.

Yes, so interestingly, if you're in a job

you don't love, It's highly

unlikely that you offer wonderful feedback

to your bosses, to the people who are running the company, right? Because

you don't care enough about the company to love it, so why would you

care enough to offer feedback? And even if they have feedback loops, you

probably do some basic feedback that gets the job

done. Check, I gave the feedback, but you're not actually trying to

help the business run better. Right? It, you're, you're

not, it's highly unlikely. Send me a message if I'm,

if that's not true for you. I wanna talk to you. Okay? Um,

and so the idea is when you withhold

your wisdom in any capacity,

then you're essentially saying, that's

okay, I don't need anymore. I'm keeping this for myself.

And so you are the one clenching the financial flow.

of more, because financial flow and creative flow are very, very

linked. So at work, one of the first things to do

is be honest and

ask for consent. So when I work with companies, one of the companies that I'm

thinking about is everybody

essentially felt like they were giving good feedback.

However, None of the feedback, when I got in there to take a look at

this company, was actually

negative in any way. It was all positive feedback. There was no

challenging or critical feedback, and so that

told me that there's probably a lot of people-pleasing happening in the company.

And so, I started creating some systems where

they had to only give negative feedback. They weren't allowed

to give any positive feedback. That was for a different meeting that we'd

have the meetings of the skeptics, the meetings of why this won't work.

And so as people got to talk more negatively

about what was going on and whatnot, it actually opened up their joy.

It opened up the joy of just saying the thing

that it's a pink elephant in the room. And

that feedback loop started

opening up things for creativity and

innovation to flow. And so, if, let's say,

you're somebody who is high up in a company, maybe it's your company, maybe it's

not your company, and you notice that feedback is stale or

stagnant, or people don't really offer it unless directly

confronted, this is one way to start practicing

that, is to open up the conversation with, okay,

we want anonymous feedback from every single person in

here, and you're gonna type it in here, and then we're gonna

aggregate that data so nobody can see who wrote it and no names,

please. And then we're going to look at all of the negative feedback

so that we can actually improve together and do this

together and then normalize it. And ultimately, they were able to also

just say it without, without the anonymity.

So the

transformation with your relationship with money

starts with your desire to

share your wisdom with others, what

you've learned over the years, what you've

been experiencing, and to tap into your own creativity

and your own creative expression, that is what you can

monetize. And so this is one of the things I do is I help people

craft their programs and their offers, whether it's

in-person or remotely, from their own

lived wisdom of what they know to be true, because I'll tell you this,

No matter what happens with AI, humans will always want other humans

to guide them. And we need that. We're always gonna

need that. Even though AI is a wonderful, helpful tool,

we definitely want humans to be able to bounce things off

of, and of course, to be in person and to,

you know, just get a better sense and a reflection from another human

because we know they're not gonna— Yeah. They're not gonna people-please, but that's

also a skill set, right? So let me pause.

Also being creative together, being creative together, right? Like it's

collab, which is the feminine, like collaborative creativity.

Having a mentor and a guide allows you to co-create something

together and co-create a different experience for yourself than you could have done on

your own. Exactly, exactly. And to very gently

guide you to say, you know, from, from my experience,

Going in that direction, it could cause these issues, and going

in this direction that you want to go in, let's smooth out this pathway so

you can actually get where you're wanting to go. So, you know, if you want

to earn— let's say you want to leave your job and you want to earn

more than you are earning now. Well,

that's going to take some creative expression as well. It's going to

take the idea of I

can earn more than I need doing what I love.

And just asking that question, do I believe that I can have that?

Can I earn more than I need doing what I love?

That's a good question to just sort of ask yourself and to

say, okay, well, let me ask myself that. And then start

listening. So this is the next step, is start listening to how you talk about

money. So when you go to the grocery store, Do

you complain about the prices? When you go to the gas pump, do you

complain about the prices? When you go to book a ticket to

go somewhere, are you complaining about anything

related to money? If you are, you want

to become more aware of that and write

it down in a note in your phone. Mm-hmm. And money complaints,

and just capture, capture, capture, because

when you start capturing your negative expression, you

start noticing patterns more and more. And

when you have negative thoughts about money, they

amplify. Just like when you have genuinely positive

thoughts about money, they also amplify. They also amplify.

So you wanna become more aware of what are you amplifying in the

world. And how we're the creator of our own

reality. You know, it's so funny, I have to share, there's been a little foreshadowing.

Yesterday I was at Banyan I don't

remember if I took you there when you were in Vancouver. It's a magical spiritual

bookstore. Oh, I don't think so. It's like really, I feel like it was close

to where you and Julian were staying when I came to visit you. But anyways,

next time. Um, so my, it was my friend Kelsey's birthday and

we went to Banyan. Um, and just like, it's a fun place to hang out.

We just were there and she bought, she was like, oh, I just have to

buy one book. She bought, um, Julia Cameron's new version of The

Artist's Way. There's like a second book that she just came out with. So, or

I don't know if she just came out with it, but my friend had just

heard about it. So she bought that yesterday. And then you're talking about her. Is

that The Vein of Gold? Uh, it's the, it's the same size as The

Artist's Way, but a, but a goldish color. Yeah, probably The

Vein of Gold. That's, that's a lot. That's an old book too. Oh, it's old.

Okay. Anyway, so she got that because she only just heard about it. And then,

um, I was driving with my mom. We just went for a walk in the

forest right before this conversation. And, um, And she

was showing me the gas prices because I don't even have a car. Like, I

live in Kenya. I haven't had a car really most of my life, actually, which

is interesting. And so I don't really ever

pay attention to gas prices, but it was $2.04, and she was like telling

me how it was $1.40 like a week ago or something, and now— or like

a couple weeks ago, and now because— or maybe it was months, but it's like

because of the war, because of Donald Trump, because of blah, blah, blah. And she

wasn't like in a really heavy energy about it, but she was just like pointing

it out that like, look, now it's $2.04. I'm

just, and so whatever, it didn't clock it. I was like, interesting. I don't really

care, but thanks for sharing. And then I didn't say that, but you know, and

then here we are complaining about gas prices. Right. So

interesting. Cause that, that isn't everyone bonds.

We, we bond over these things. So most people are bonding

over talking about how expensive the grocery store is. This

is one of the things that in entrepreneurial

communities, people who are part of the, I'm an entrepreneur,

I'm in charge of creating my own reality. I am the CEO,

right? I'm in that category. In

general, we don't like to surround ourselves with anyone who's talking negatively

about money. It's like a big taboo because you don't want to be

around that kind of negative vibration because you start being in

vibrational accord with whatever you're listening to, whatever

you're speaking out loud and in your mind. Those are the

amplifiers. Right. And so I,

for many years, couldn't tolerate anyone talking

negatively about anything. And I found that

that was really exclusionary and

isolating and not

particularly helpful or productive for people because

people would just sort of get ousted and not

understand what was going on. And

so then I shifted into sort of a

different conversation, like, hey, I'm noticing you got a lot of

negativity around money. Is that

something that you wanna talk about, like that you wanna move

beyond and, and actually feel great about money?

Or is that something that you just are like, this is how I am and

this is what I believe and I don't wanna do anything different? And so

then I started using it as a conversation starter. Hmm. To say, is

this something that you enjoy talking poorly about money?

Because what people don't realize is whenever we're talking poorly

about something— money,

men, time— all of these

conversations, essentially complaining is a

form of gossip.

Complaining is a form of gossip. And whenever we're gossiping, The

vibration of gossip is a very low vibration. And

so we want to be productive with our complaints.

We want to have the ability to complain, to vent it

out, and then to do something with that vent. This is why

I ask people to capture their negative thoughts.

Mm. Don't try to get rid of them. Capture them.

Put them in a note in your phone. We have a method called the capture

and compost method. And what that means is you capture as many of

your negative stressful thoughts you can about money, men,

whatever, time, and how there's not enough,

and capture all of those that you can. And then you start looking for

patterns when you're in a more

receptive state. So a lot of this also

has to do with our nervous system. And

our nervous system, which everybody has one, this is one

of our unifying factors, right? Our nervous system

Actually allows us to

understand certain patterns that we wouldn't be able to

without having this particular lens. So the lens that I

like to look through is like a traffic signal.

So red, yellow, green, right? So a traffic signal,

green we know is go, right? Yellow

is either slow down or speed up if you're trying to get through a signal.

Right. Mariana, 100% of the time speeds up

in yellow lights. I was like, oh, is this a good thing? It's a great

thing. Mariana, to Marlio Andretti. Yes.

100% of the time, just experienced it.

I love it. Julian's a little like that too.

And then red, of course, is stop and

stillness, really. And so in the nervous

system, A very simplified version

is red, yellow, green. And this is, red is you're

immobilized, you're stopped, you're in stillness.

Yellow is mobilized, you're moving, movement.

Green is the social engagement system, which is, I'm ready for

openness and connecting and opportunities and all is well, et

cetera. And so in red and yellow, when we're in

mobilized or immobilized, Those are the 2 places

fear shows up. Fear doesn't show up in green.

Fear shows up in red and yellow. And it

also shows up in our thoughts. It shows up in

yellow zone thoughts. Fear shows up, let's say,

around money as, I don't know how I'm gonna pay these bills. I

don't know how I'm gonna be able to do this. I'm frustrated. I need more

clients. I need to— what do I need to do? Is my job still gonna

be around? What if AI lays me

off, right? Like, all of these fight or flight, yellow

zone, oh my gosh, frustration,

irritation, anger, all of that is a

mobilized fear. And we all have it. And the idea

is to capture those thoughts when you're in the yellow zone

so that you get to know your own yellow zone thoughts. Hmm.

Same with the red. Red is you're going more into hopelessness.

Collapse. I can't do this anymore. Okay? Where you just

wanna scroll and lay in bed and eat some ice cream and be done with

the day. Okay? That's red zone. And in the red zone,

when fear is present, 'cause there's red zone without fear present,

stillness is also intimacy. You wanna like get

intimate with yourself and slow down and maybe spoon your partner,

right? So that's also— red zone doesn't mean bad. Red

means stop. Right. It means stillness. But when fear is involved with

red, red zone thoughts sound hopeless. They

sound like, I don't even know what I'm doing, and I'm not smart enough to

do this. And I've worked with so many

high-level, high-powered leaders over the years and taught this

red, yellow, green system to them. They all have the same thoughts. They

all wonder if they're smart enough to do this. They all

wonder, I don't know, maybe I should just get a job, get a new thing.

Maybe I should just— Yeah. You know, they go into the same thought

patterns as anybody else. And so it's not

you, it's your nervous system. So when you get to

know your stressful thoughts, then you can start saying, oh,

that's just a yellow zone thought. And then you learn how

to mobilize yourself, how to move your body, because you can't

think your way through it. Yeah. Yeah.

Love it. Earlier, when you were saying complaining is

gossip, what came through was complaining is manifesting.

It's like your complaints that you're reinforcing over and over again

are manifesting your reality. Yeah.

Attracting. That's why it's dangerous. One of the first things that I invite

people to do when we're looking at language, and if

we circle back to looking at the language of financial

flow, And the language of financial,

you know, flip-flops.

Drowning. Right? That rollercoaster of feast and

famine, right? That

language has a huge, huge

part in this because the words we say out loud,

like for example, there's just not enough.

That's one of the biggest pieces when people are

talking about money is there's just not enough.

And, oh, I wanna do this thing, but I can't because I don't have enough

money. So if people are believing that it's just not enough, then you start

looking around for all the ways that it's not enough. And

so if you wanna come out of that habit pattern, you

wanna bless everything you purchase. Mm-hmm. I love that. You

wanna bless everything, every bill you pay.

So a lot of people start cursing

their way through paying their bills, or they automate their bills so they don't

have to think about it. And so the idea is, at least once a

month, you wanna look at all your bills and bless them and

say, I'm so grateful that I have credit. I'm

so grateful that my credit percent is this.

I'm so grateful that I get to carry a balance on my

credit card, and it's not just gone, you know, that I get to have

this. I'm grateful for the ability to pay this bill,

even if I'm only paying the minimum amount. I'm grateful I get to do that,

right? So, and being grateful for whatever money does come

in, this is something that I think every entrepreneur has

experienced this. When money comes in, if it's not enough to cover

everything, Mm-hmm. unintentionally, we're like, well, that's not

enough. And so we're unintentionally damning what's

coming in. We're making it wrong. Yeah. It's not enough. So the

idea is to listen to the language that you are

speaking about money, and

not only the words that come out of your mouth, the thoughts in your

mind, because those two are gonna amplify. And

then if you're in conversation with other people who are also having a

hard time with money and damning it, now you are 2 or more

gathered together, you're going to amplify that even more.

Totally. I was, I was, I'd love to share what I shared with you earlier

that I used to program myself constantly with the belief that I was

broke. This is many years ago, but like I was in this, in my

20s, constantly broke. Like I would have like no

money in my bank account, negative, you know, in the overdraft or whatever.

My friends would ask me to do something and I would be like, I'm broke.

I'm broke. I'm broke. And it was like known that I was broke. And I,

and I even now saying that out loud, it like feels like I wanna throw

up. I, I, I can't even relate to that. I would never, even if I

had no money right now, never use that language. It feels so

incongruent. And I think part of that too is like wealth is,

and I'm sure you have a lot to say on this too. Wealth is also,

um, it, it's not just money. Like I have, I think of all

the, the gifts I've been given and the programs when I worked for Cal and

Justin, like all the, the programs I got to participate in for free or

the trips I got to go on or the, like there's, Abundance

is, is so much more than money. And so if we can, if

you don't have actual money in your bank account and you're so attached to that

story, it's like, can you feel abundance in other ways?

Okay. You know, I love this. So we have a concept

called expanded net worth.

Okay. So everybody knows what net worth is, right? Your net

worth is your, uh, financial

measurables essentially, right? Which is, Your net worth

is your total assets minus your liabilities. So your assets are

cash, investments, real estate, jewelry, vehicles,

art, retirement funds, crypto, all that kind of

stuff. And so most people are

judging themselves on their financial net worth.

However, your expanded net worth is

just as valuable. It's equally valuable in different ways.

Yeah. And it's your nervous system capacity

and resilience. It's your intuition. It's your creativity.

It's your joy levels, your body wisdom. It's your

community, ancestry, your spiritual awareness, your aligned

core values, your past life experiences, your

business partnerships. There's your connection with the unseen world. I mean, the

list goes on and on and on for your expanded

net worth. And when we understand that our

expanded net worth is just as valuable, if

not more valuable, than financial net worth, if we

don't understand that, then we will always be looped in

the idea of limitation and lack because those

financial resources are finite in some

way. They are measurable. And the

immeasurables, like how do you measure your depth of connection to your

spiritual ancestry? Right. Like, how do

you measure that? Yeah. Not— we don't have the tools for that right now, right?

And so, this is why I say developing your intuition

is probably the most valuable experience that

you could be involved in.

That, to me, developing your intuition and your own

inner knowing, that means spending time off of social

media, off of Any kind of computers,

spending time in nature, spending time with your own brain,

spending time thinking for and by yourself, spending

time, you know, going into the depths of you,

spending time at in-person retreats where you're

surrounded by other people doing depth of work as well.

Those things are going to nourish our intuition. Every

good thing that's happened to me in my life, every pathway that

I've chosen, has been connected to my

intuition. Mm-hmm.

Me too. Totally. My entire business, everything. I think I said this

on the last episode, how Jeff used to be like, you need a business plan.

And I was like, what? Right. I don't know where I'm going. Like, what do

you mean? And it was, it's all just been intuitively guided and

also divinely guided. And it's like, I didn't know where it was going.

And, and it still continues that way and it keeps getting richer and

more full and more expanded. Because that's 100% what's

leading. Right, right. And so, you know,

we haven't been taught how to create and run a

business based on intuition. That is complete taboo

in the business world, which is why I

still have a

weird connection with calling myself a businesswoman.

I don't align to the traditional business practices. They

were rooted in greed. They're rooted in earning

profits for your shareholders and above everything

else, because if you're not earning profits, then you don't have a business.

And so, I have personally rebelled against that, even though I

am technically the CEO of an S corporation in

California, and it's called Mattinson Coaching and Consulting

Inc. That is our business, and we have lots of different things

we do, but that's the big umbrella. And

even though I am a businesswoman, on one hand, I

don't identify as a businesswoman.

It's not part of my identity. And

I have a business. I have a fractional CFO. I have a team. I have,

I have, I have. And the idea is when we're

coming into our

money era, Let's just say that, right?

I'm in my money era. I'm holding this crystal the whole time

and I didn't know why. I was just like, hold, I guess grabbed it. I

don't normally hold crystals during a podcast. It's like gold.

We're in our money era. We're in our money era. Let's go.

Yeah. That means that we are aligning

with money as a resource

and everything is of source.

Everything is of Absolutely. Money is

not excluded from that. And so if you have negative thoughts and

feelings about money and like the old things of money is the root of all

evil or anything like that, the idea is, is

that really yours? Do you actually believe that? Or was that just a

storyline that you received from the people around you growing up?

You want to start really looking deeply at how do you actually feel

about money? What do you Why would you damn something or

make it wrong when actually you want to be able to go out and buy

that new dress and those new shoes? You want to be able to go out

to a fabulous dinner with all your friends. You want to be the one who

can take all your friends on a fabulous vacay, right? I

mean, money is fun and money is just a tool

and money is just an idea. It's the idea of a

value exchange. And so one of the things that I love doing is

I love teaching people how to move

beyond their money story and earn more than they need doing

what they love. More, more than they need so that you can

gently be in surplus in your life and just never have to worry

about money ever again. I have never done

a podcast episode. Okay. I've done like

360. I don't know how many interviews, but I've never done

an episode before where I've taken so many notes, not because

I'm I'm writing down what I'm gonna say next, but because I'm, I'm

just taking notes cuz this is so, this is gold.

It's gold. Literally gold. What is happening? I love it. You're so

brilliant. Oh my gosh. What did you write down? What did you write down? Do

I write every, I'm literally writing down word for word everything you said. We are

in our money era, aligning with money as a resource. Everything is

of source. Like this is the thing every, and you know, it's so fascinating

cuz everything you're saying is like kind of similar to my perspectives around love.

And I think they're exactly the same. Like I always say, I don't ever identify

with being single or being in a relationship. I'm

just me no matter what. I don't identify with the labels and all

the stories and limitations that come with labels. And you just said the same thing

about being a business owner. Like it's all, and we're here.

I feel like we are put, I really, it just feels like The Truman

Show. It's like you get to choose what channel you are on and we are

put on this beautiful, abundant, magical planet.

And Like, we get to choose if we

want to have a wild, fun adventure, or if we want to just be in

suffering and misery and then die, get to the other side and be like, oh

shit, like, I guess I got to go back and try again.

Well, you know, I'm a student of the work that flows

through Paul Selig. Uh, he channels the guides.

And one of the things that he's— that they say is

The wealthy person and the one in

poverty are both learning the lessons of abundance.

Hmm. So it's— you get to

choose your lessons. They come, and

how you respond to the lessons, meaning the

challenges that you face, that is how you

choose your next set of lessons. So let's say

if something terrible happens and you're out

a ton of money, right? Let's just say all these things lined up and

all the money that you had saved is now gone. Okay.

How you respond to that is going to

determine the next quality

of lessons that come to you, the next challenges. Mm. So if you

greet that with complete dread, And you stay in that

dread and you collapse under that dread, then

you're gonna need to be saved. Okay? Because it's, you're

coming from a victim place. If, on the other hand, you

receive those lessons and you have your moments of dread, because you can't

stop that, the first reaction is you can't stop that. So you're gonna

go to probably like, oh no, what happened? You know, you'll go to dread for

a moment and then you go, ah, Ah, I'm gonna capture all those thoughts right

now because I listened to that podcast and Marla said to capture all that. So,

okay, here's my note, my dread notes, right? And I'm gonna put it in

my phone. I'm gonna say, oh my God, how am I gonna pay this? I

don't know what I'm gonna do, right? Get that out. And

then move your body. Go do some body motion practices. Go

move your body. Do some nervous system regulation techniques.

Shake your body, roll your joints, every joint in your body.

Move your body, and then go, okay, okay, I'm

up for this challenge. This is a challenge. It wouldn't be what I would

consciously choose, and it's here. So

how can I be in service to this challenge? How can I

rise to the level of this challenge

and move through it and move beyond it? And what'll start to happen

is somebody's face will pop into your mind, or

you'll have an idea about something. And so you'll start capturing capturing

those things. You'll go, oh, Marla. For some

reason, Marla's face popped in my head. I'm gonna reach out to her. And

maybe we talk, and then I say, oh, yeah, I forgot I owed

you money for this thing, and I'm gonna send it to you. Or

it's like, oh, I have a friend who was saying they wanna go to an

in-person retreat. I wanna refer. How do I refer them to you?

Right? So you start the flow of money

coming in just by looking at the

challenge, greeting the dread, with

challenge accepted energy rather than like

collapse, and knowing that this is happening

to bring me to my next level of growth and evolution. This is

happening for me, not to me. And that's a

big thing that all of the

business, you know, entrepreneurial books have talked about.

Life is happening for me, Mm-hmm. Not to me. And

because we have a nervous system and the nervous system is constantly

scanning for safety or threat, when we have a

financial crisis, our body interprets that as a threat.

And so all of those red and yellow zone thoughts are going to arise

and you're going to want to capture them, not

react to them. You're not going to want to spiral down.

You're going to want to just say, oh, here's Here's that thought that I

wish I didn't have. I'm gonna capture it. I'm gonna put it away. I'm gonna

capture the next one. I'm gonna put it away. And when you do that,

you, you're giving your negativity a place to land

instead of keeping it all in your head and trying to push it

away. Now it has a place to land, so it doesn't have

to spiral because you can just keep placing the next one there. Yes.

Yes. You know, as, as you're talking, I'm also

just feeling that the age-old story of every, you know, almost all celebrities

that like lived in their cars or were homeless or were like totally poor growing

up in abusive homes. I don't know if you've seen the Michael documentary, Michael

Jackson. It's absolutely unbelievably brilliant. I've seen it 3 times in the

last 2 weeks and really sharing his story, but they were a poor

family in somewhere in the States. I can't

remember where, but they— it's funny, I've seen it 3 times. I should remember where,

but, and you know, his dad was the antagonist in the story and he was

abusive, quote unquote, not that I'm saying I support abuse, but you see in the

story, his dad was the challenger that actually called him forward into

his power, into his sovereignty, into his gifts, into his spirit. Like

his dad's perseverance in having them commit, commit, commit,

commit is what taught him how to hone in his gifts. And

unfortunately it came with pain, but so do most of our alchemization

of our gifts. and are learning the lessons in life. And I believe,

on a soul level, we come in, you know, from the other side going, okay,

I'm gonna go into that one. And I just think, like, Michael

Jackson— I mean, to me, the most profound part of that movie is that

his nephew is playing him, and he's channeling him.

Yeah. Like, he is him. It's crazy. It's so

beautiful. And how gifted this man was, and pure, and

loving. And just seeing the trajectory of him stepping more and more

into his gifts, and then he gets to a point where he's like, no, I

need to do this. on my own. And then he starts attracting all the people

that can help him do that and help him to come to this next level.

And it just feels like that story is so common

in music especially, but also Oprah,

so many people who've really— not to say they necessarily are

happy on the inside. I think there's also a lot of pain internally

for a lot of them, but that's always available.

How did all these people who've become really

brilliant at their craft come from nothing and then step into brilliance and

be unbelievably abundant. That's such a common story.

Yes. Yes. Okay. I have a few things to say about all that. This is

really good. So I wanted to first say that if

you, as the listener right now, are listening to Kate talk about

the Michael Jackson story, and you're thinking to yourself something

about all of the accusations of child abuse, right?

And you're thinking about all that, and you're thinking the negative thoughts

about it, and you're thinking, yeah, but he was this and he was

If that's going on in your mind, that's inner

complaining. Hmm. And that's inner gossip.

And so, the idea is we actually don't know what happened, even with all

the different documentaries. And even if you were there

and you think you know what went down, unless you were one of those

kids and you actually experienced something, you still don't know. And so,

the idea is we don't want to participate in any gossip.

We want to eliminate gossip from our inner world

and also from our outer world. So I wanted to just address that because there's

a lot of people who have different types of feelings about Michael

Jackson. For sure. And I think that's so important because,

like, that you highlighted that. And I was speaking to the abuse that his father

did to him. Right, right. But how I think that culturally,

like, I mean, people for sure gossip about people in their lives, but also it's,

like, incessant. I mean, I watch TV, much. Love my parents, they're the best, but

they don't ever judge anyone. And they're, they're like the sweetest, most accepting

people. And they love to hate Donald Trump. And I'm like, you guys, it's hate.

Like, this is literally like you're saying he's this horrible hatred man,

but you are hating on him and bonding with people while

we're traveling over that. Like, stop wasting your time. And,

and it's seeing like it happens incessantly. I remember back in the

day I used to watch The Bachelor with because we love to talk about the

women and judge them. And, like, how much

of our life force energy we're wasting on

hating on strangers and thinking we know. Even the politics, you think

you know what's going on. We don't know what's going on. What a waste of

your life and your energy. Well, and I'll take

it a step further. It is

literally creating more violence and war on Earth. So, you're either contributing to

more violence and war, Mm-hmm. By

thinking hatred and judgmental and

wrong-making thoughts, or you're catching your

hatred, negative thoughts, and you're capturing

them to make them a productive use

of your inner world. So you're either contributing to more

violence and war on Earth through your thoughts, through the way you express,

or you're helping us come out of it. And so to me,

business is about contributing to the

uplift of humanity. And one of the big reasons

is we have people who are being born

on Earth right now and have been for the last probably

15 years or so, who people are coming in

knowing already who they are. They're not coming in like we

did, which is like, oh, I need to find myself, right? No,

they're coming in knowing. Like, for example, I don't know if you've

this kid, Max Alexander. He is a clothing designer.

Okay, I'm going to send you something. It's so good. And I'm going to— we'll

put it in the show notes. He is— he started at 4

years old. He told his mom, I'm a clothing

designer, at 4. And she was like, okay,

what does that mean? And he was like, I want to design things. So she

gave him some things to design, and that moved to the next thing and the

next thing. And then they used the app. Yeah. for his design studio. And then

he was like, I want to do a runway show. So they cleared out the

backyard, and they did a little runway show. And now he's 10

years old, and he is the

youngest person in the world, just literally

got a Guinness Book of World Records, to show at Paris

Fashion Week. And it wasn't a mercy show. It was—

his work is so gorgeous. It's so— Wow.

stunning, beautiful, flowing. He

first— he plays with the fabric first. So,

he runs around with the fabric to see how it moves, how it flows,

and then he tears it. He does different things. His mom does his social media,

and she has captured so much incredible content. I have

chills on my whole body right now. I can't feel my feet. I can't feel

anything. I'm just like, what? I'm having waves and waves

Kids are coming in knowing who they

are and why they're here. And so we

as older people, we're now in the older people crew,

right? If you're over 30, you're in the older crowd. Okay, I got news for

you. We are here to help guide and

support those young beings who are here knowing who they

are and what they're here for. And I also want to say

I don't remember if we talked about the— Yeah. Oh, yeah, we did. We talked

about the telepathy tapes briefly. Did you get to listen to them yet?

Not yet. Not yet. Where do you find them? YouTube?

Yeah, for sure on YouTube, but also Apple or Spotify

or anything like that. And maybe we can put that in the show notes too,

because the telepathy tapes— I shared last time in our

conversation that I cried through the whole first season because I felt

so seen. I came in with a lot of very psychic gifts

in this world, and nobody Nobody in my family had them or

understood them and didn't know how to nurture me with them. And so

I have this ability to read people

and understand what people need. And now I have the

ability to articulate and help people. And I really truly

believe that we need more people who are tapped

into their intuitive knowing, their psychic abilities,

their divine senses, their clairsenses, Because

the new generation of people who are coming in now,

they already have that installed. That is

something that is natural. And the Telepathy Tapes

focuses on nonverbal autistic people who

are telepathic with their caregivers and their parents.

And the reason I cried was because I'm telepathic and I have that

ability, but I've kept it hidden and secret for all these years

because I'm like, I don't need to deal with anybody's negativity about it, so I'll

just keep it to myself and then, you know, share it with clients

essentially, basically. And now I feel totally free

to be able to just be myself, and I'm not afraid to say that

anymore. And it's this incredible thing. And

telepathy, telepathy was

essentially being used by multiple

governments as trying to be like a weapon, a

tool that is a weapon. And because when you are

psychic and you can read things, right, you have this ability to know things.

The thing is, when you're really telepathic, you actually

can't use it for harm. Hmm. It gets shut off.

You cannot use it for And anyone who's a

nonspeaker, they all know this. And so this—

there's no fear of any of this being

misused. So it's really kind of fascinating.

And I really am encouraging people to develop your

intuition. It is the number one skill set that you are going to

need in the next 5 years. Your own

intuition, your own creative expression, your own

ability to look around at your life and love everything you see

and blossom Bless everything you see. And if you can't love it and you can't

bless it, then go do the Marie Kondo. If it doesn't spark joy,

then let it go. Recycle it, reuse it,

throw it away, compost it, whatever you need to do. Yeah. So

the idea is, with all these new beings coming in,

our responsibility as elders is to

help guide them into themselves, And to

provide a world that is moving beyond violence and war. And

that's how we can contribute. And to start with,

stop demonizing money and making it wrong. And

then watch it grow. Watch it grow.

Stop demonizing people. Stop demonizing men when

you're dating. Stop demonizing relationships. Your body.

Demonizing your husband, your body, your face, your

aging. The world. The world, everything. It's just like the war.

I, oh my God, that is so, it's just so clear. The war. I

think of my life now and how magical it is and what it used to

be, just like a dumpster fire of anxiety. Nobody knew. I was like

really happy and bubbly. So nobody knew what was happening on the inside,

but like it was a fucking war on the inside, an

absolute war within. And that's why I had

anxiety. And in the Western world, you just go to the doctor and they tell

you to take a pill. Right. Right? They tell you to numb your pain and

pleasure. And that will fix your— what? Like, it—

I mean, God, I love this. It's like starting with the war within.

And then, um, and, and, and for, okay, for women

who feel very far away from their intuition, I feel like that's often when I

start working with women, they're very far away. Mm-hmm. Um, well, they're not far away.

Okay. Your intuition's always been there. It's been guiding you. It's guiding, it's like the

reason you said yes to this podcast, to that thing, it's resonance. Um,

and It's— there's a lot of

women I know who listen who are, who identify really strongly

with their mind and controlling life and all of that. So for a

woman who is, who feels far away, I'll say her perception is that

she's far away from intuition. What are some practices that you would suggest to help

her deepen her relationship with that and hone in her intuitive

gifts? Okay. First of all, I love those kinds of women

because they're very logical and typically very

brilliant. So that's the first thing. And then I'm gonna say,

here's the cool thing. Logic is limited.

Mm. It does not encompass the

totality of who we are. This is why science is

limited. Science is limited because it focuses on

what is measurable. And we don't have the proper

technology to measure everything that is. We only have

technology to measure the things that so far scientists have

deemed important to measure. Okay, this is why suddenly

it's on the rise for women's health and reproductive health

and menopause and perimenopause and all of pleasure, you know, and these

things are now being studied more because women are demanding it. So

I would say the first thing is to acknowledge

that logic is limited

and that there is more to this life than logic and

thinking. And how do we know that? We know that through our

5 senses because our Yeah. Our human eyes,

of which we get our information from looking out at the world,

that's limited because the visible human

spectrum of light is a tiny fraction on the entire

spectrum of light of what is possible. Same with

hearing. Humans can only hear a tiny little fraction

of decibels. We can't hear anything too high or too

low. It's a huge spectrum that humans can only hear a

tiny little tiny fraction of. All 5

senses are like that. So when we start to understand that, we go, oh,

there must be something beyond what I can

sense with my 5 senses.

Can I go beyond my physical eyes and

see with my inner eye? Can

I go beyond my physical ears and can I

hear without my physical ears. And

so one of the things that I am great at helping

people do is to listen internally

to their own intuitive knowing. And so they

know their very next step. Mm-hmm. And so if you've never

listened internally to your own intuition, you

can start real simply. Go for a walk.

In a place where, you know, you're gonna make some

choices. You're gonna turn left or right or go straight.

And when you get to the end of the street, I want you to just

ask yourself, do I go to the left

and wait for a response? If you get no response,

that's a no. If you get a response that leans you to the left, go

to the left. Okay. Is it out?

Do I go straight? Do I go to the right? Do I turn back around?

Allow yourself to have your own body be your

internal gyroscope of yes and no. So

this is also muscle testing. I was just gonna say muscle test. I muscle test

constantly. It's always accurate. It's crazy. You

are your own inner guidance system. And we

think that everything is outside of us, but actually,

we are all part of the whole oneness. We're literally breathing in

oxygen into our bodies. It goes into all

of our cells in our bodies and does all kinds of fun things, and then

it comes out as carbon dioxide, right? And so the outside is

coming inside, and the inside is going outside. So it's

always moving, right? I'm eating food, it does things inside,

inside, and then I poop it out, and it's coming outside. Hopefully you poop it

out. I didn't used to, but I have now. I'm pooping now. Okay, good. Good

poops. We want good poops. So

the idea is to, by the way, if you've never done any kind of muscle

testing like Kate's talking about, one of the fastest ways to do muscle

testing is to stand up, keep your knees slightly

bent, make sure you're on all

4 points of each foot, right? The, the 2 balls of the foot and

then the heels, make sure you You've got good solid

feet, bent knees, and say to yourself,

my name is Fred. And then if your name is not Fred,

which it probably is not, then you will be moved either

backwards for a no, my name is not

Fred, or a forward for no. Most people,

forward is yes. Mm-hmm. Sometimes people have a different wiring

and forward Forward is no. So you wanna test what is

yes and what is no first. After you do your test,

then you say, my name is Marla, or you replace it with your name. My

name is Marla. And then you'll see, oh yes, forward is yes.

Then you can literally pick up anything. Is this crystal

helpful for me today? And then you'll move forward or

backwards, or you'll stay around the same. And this is how you can test food.

You can say, is this meal going to be healthy for me? Is

this the highest choice for me right now? And you'll get a yes or a

no. It's really fun to just use your own body as your

decision-making tool. And that is one way to get you really,

really in touch with your own intuition. That one is hilarious.

I— that was the first solo one. Like, the first time I ever had muscle

testing, which for those of you who aren't familiar, might be familiar with this if

you've been to a naturopath, like my naturopath would have me hold foods

and then and then push, you put your arm out and then she pushes it

down. She says, hold strong. And you hold the same strength. Your

arm is out, you hold it to the same strength. And when someone pushes it,

if it's a no, it gets weak. And if it's a yes, it stays strong.

So that was my first. And I was like, what the fuck? This is weird.

And then I remember learning that one. Maybe you taught it to me, cuz it

was actually probably around when I knew you. And I would go to the grocery

store and be like picking things up and falling back and going forward. And it

like, it's quite crazy. It's as if someone's like pulling you forward or pulling you

back. And, um, and then when I learned finger one. So

I do this one and most people do it like this, but I do it

like this where I just put my 2, my thumb and pointer finger and

thumb and pointer finger on one side, make a circle. And then the other side,

my thumb and pointer finger, try and break the circle. And

yeah, it's, it's amazing. And so I'm— my friends notice when I'm doing it that

they're like, what are you muscle testing right now? In the car, like secretly muscle

testing. But yeah, so there's multiple different ways and you can look on

YouTube if you're a visual person and And you— well, this probably will

be on YouTube, but you can also, you know, if you're listening to this in

audio, you can look at on YouTube and find different muscle testing

techniques. But yeah, that's like when I learned that, it's crazy. Like it

tells me everything I already know I'm food sensitive to, like

everything my body reacts to. It tells me like even, do you

like coffee? No. Do you like coffee with butter? Yes. My body actually likes coffee

with butter, butter coffee, like Bulletproof Coffee. Right. And so

the nuances of like even intuitive eating, like you could go to an

expert and find out What do I eat based on somebody's system that's a

one-size-fits-all, or you get to know your own body. It's so

cool. It's, it's pretty amazing, actually.

I, I've used it in so many different ways, and

Julian is like a walking muscle test. He's

just— he'll walk into someplace and he'll like bounce out. He's like, no, we're not

staying here. Oh, and just like he falls back

out. Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Yeah, he's super

Love it. Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. But this

transformation and transforming

your relationship with money, I

absolutely believe it starts with your own inner journey

and accessing your intuition and your own knowing.

And part of that is a real tender spot, which is like,

I want more from Yeah. I actually wanna see what I'm

capable of in this lifetime. You know, I'm 55

now. And so it's like, you know, I've actually

known that I was gonna be 125 years old since I was

14. I got a message when I was 14 to say, you're gonna be

125. And, you know, I've told, I

don't know, a couple handfuls of people that over the years. And

most people sort of look at me and like, oh,

okay, weirdo, kind of thing. Or just, I'm living in some

fantasy world. And even Julian, when I first told him, he was like,

mm, I don't know. Really? You know?

And then a good friend of ours who's this really

incredible— oh, what is his job

title? Anyway, he makes the formulas. He's a formularist.

He makes the formulas for all different types of supplements. Real amazing supplement guy. Amazing.

And he said something about, being

136 or something like that, and I said nothing, but Julian was

like, oh, he's like your soul buddy, you know?

And it's true! And all of the circles that I'm in,

everyone's doing the whole longevity thing, but I'm not doing all of

that stuff. I just have a knowing about it. And I

have a sense that our technology is gonna improve and

increase, and that we will be able to heal through frequency.

Not through pills. So all the supplements we take, all the hormone

creams and all of those things, that will be in frequency.

You will turn on a frequency machine and set your

frequency for the day, and then you can recalibrate. And so

that's my— one of my predictions is that health and

well-being is going to be done through frequency. And,

um— I agree. I feel like even meditation does that. Like, when I go

really deep into meditation— I used to not be able to meditate, and I had

busy mind, blah, blah, blah. blah, blah, blah, all the things. And it took me

like years of, okay, I started with guided meditation, lying down and kind of

evolved it over the years. But now I can sit for hours and sometimes

I sing, sometimes I just sit, sometimes I, there's music, sometimes

there's just birds or nothing. Um, and I love the feeling. And,

uh, after it's like, even if I just do connect to that place inside for

5 minutes and I, let's say as a projector, I have a masterclass or something

I have to teach or a podcast. I was actually really tired before this podcast

because I've been a projector operating like a manifesting generator

pretty much since I left Kenya and came to like California and

nonstop, nonstop plans. And so I went into

that place and plugged in for like 5 minutes. And now I feel, well, you're

also a mani-gen, so I feel your energy generator. Oh, generator. You're a

gen— oh, you seem like a mani-gen. Okay. Um, you're a fiery

generator. Um, I go into that place and now I have this

abundance of energy. So of course frequency, like all these

pills have so many ramifications and so

many other side effects. Even the vitamins. I was thinking

last time I went to the naturopath, it would not actually, not last time, but

when I was living in Vancouver, the, this naturopath, not the one I've had on

the podcast, to be clear. I've had my, my favorite naturopath who I had dinner

with the other night on the podcast, but this other woman I saw, she gave

me $800 worth of vitamins. And at the end, for every

month, like a link that she gets commission for, 'cause it's a link, of course,

not like recommending brands and go to the store yourself. It was a link

online. And I felt something funny inside and I was like, oh my God, this

is just like doctors. Like they get a commission on how many pills I'm

taking. And am I, at the time I had like the worst gut health, am

I even digesting these pills? Are they even doing anything

versus plugging into this infinite source that's inside?

I, this is a whole nother podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Part 3.

I'm just saying, if you wanna talk about health and wellbeing

from a very out-there perspective, I say, I certainly am down for

that. I mean, I'll just say this. I don't even know if I told you

this. Maybe I don't know if I have or not. But, you know, I went

through menopause at 51, and my, my

cycle stopped for 2 and a half years. And then I started seeing a

hormone doctor here in Santa Barbara, and she gave

me the option. She said, you can either take a static dose of

HRT, you know, hormone replacement therapy of estradiol and progesterone,

or— which means, like, 100 milligrams every day kind of thing. Or

you can do what they call a rhythmic dose. And the rhythmic dose

mimics the menstrual cycle, where you start with estrogen,

estrogen, estrogen, and no progesterone. And then at the peak of

estradiol, then you start introducing estro— uh, the progesterone. And

then that goes on a peak... Wow. ...while the estrogen goes low. And

anyway, it brings your bleed back after, like, 3 months. So,

I've had a cycle again. Again for the last year and a

half. And she said, if you do this for a solid 2 years, you'll feel

like you were 35 again. I was like, sign me up for that. And

some women are like, I don't want to have a bleed again once that's done.

Actually, you do. If you still have a uterus, you want to

actually shed that inner lining, and you can do that forever. It's actually

a really healthy detox. Wow. And my body has had a hard time with

detoxing. So this is one of the benefits of having a

cycle And it's such a trip. It's such a— such an

honor, really, to have a cycle after it being stopped

for 2 and a half years. I celebrated that too, that it stopped. I was

like, woo-hoo! You know? Yeah. I feel so sad when women— like, women are

on the birth control thing where it stops their cycle, and they are happy about

it. And I'm like, wait, what? I love my cycle so much. I feel

so sad when I hear— like, 'cause I'm also comfortable with pain.

Like, I just love myself if I have cramps or whatever. It's like I get

cozy, and I love myself through it, and I take care of myself through it

rather than, like, than resist that thing. But I feel like that's just

the patriarchy and women just not knowing their bodies and not having a

relationship to what makes us so magical, like our ability to

bring life into this world, our life force energy.

Yeah, I had a really incredible

experience as a doula helping women through labor, delivery, and

postpartum. And, and I was part of this doula circle in my early

20s, and we would get together every month and talk about the births we were

in and talk about the challenges because nobody in our lives understood

any of that. So, you know, you talk about a Pitocin drip, and you talk

about these different things, and nobody in your life really wants to hear about all

that stuff. But so we— I was in this doula circle, and

they were so honoring of

women's experiences. Wow. It was like,

kind of like the red tent days, you know, where you'd sit around

on a hay bale and bleed into some hay. We didn't do

that in our doula circle, but we definitely honored one

another, and whatever emotions and

cycles we were in, you know, they were all valid and

worthy of conversation and attention and

nurturing. And so, I had a pretty incredible

experience with elder women. And in fact, that was the

first time I found out about menopause,

was through one of the doulas in the circle. She was in her early

50s. I was in my early 20s. And she threw out her book,

And so, I went over to her place in Santa Monica to help her out.

She was laying on the floor, and she had a bedpan. And

so, you know, I didn't care about any of that stuff. So, I'm helping her

out. I take the bedpan. I help her out. And then she's laying on the

ground, and she starts sweating

and starts moaning. She's like,

ugh! You know, just kind of moaning. And I'm just standing there in my

early 20s going like, I don't know what's going on. on right now? And she

came out of it, and she goes— she moved her hair around,

and— and I go, what was that? And she goes,

that was a hot flash. And I was

like, what? And she goes, yeah. It's like your

own personal Jacuzzi. Wow. It comes on for, like,

60 to 90 seconds, and you just

go with it. You roll with it. You ride that wave. And

then it passes, and then you're, like, glistening,

And you just feel refreshed. And I was like, oh,

that's so cool. And my mom had a full hysterectomy

when she was in her early 30s, so she didn't have menopause in

the traditional way that it would come on. She had a forced menopause.

And so I didn't get to experience all of that with her. So I

experienced it through this doula circle and this one woman. And it was like,

that was my introduction to menopause. That was my intro to hot

flashes. So when hot flashes came, I wasn't afraid. I was like, oh,

it's a jacuzzi. It's a jacuzzi orgasm. That is so

amazing. Um, I, I just feel like, I mean,

circling back to the conversation of money, it's the same thing. It's your

perception, right? A miracle is a shift in perception. Like you

are, how many women have done that

versus been like, oh no, my hot flashes, I gotta repress

them and be embarrassed of them and shut them down. And like, you know, all

the shame that comes with it, all the fighting that comes with it or wishing

it wasn't there versus women who are just riding the

orgasm of the jacuzzi. And, you know,

this is, I mean, okay, we're going to talk forever. So let's, let's like

bottom line it for this episode. Let's see if there's another

one. But around like this conversation of

transforming and healing our relationship with money to do with

that, like, are you making it orgasmic and

living, you know, basking in the jacuzzi or are you complaining about

hot flashes to all your friends? I mean, there's your mic drop

moment right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so good. I mean,

why can't you be the one who

earns $25,000 a month doing what you love?

Why can't you be the one who owns the company and who

makes the decisions and serves people doing what you

absolutely love and receiving

financial Financial investment as an exchange for that. Why

can't you be that person? It's

really just a choice. If you want to be that person, then the

question is, what's in the way between who you are

today, what your beliefs are, how you think, what your

emotions do, how resilient you are, who's in

your life feeding you and nourishing or nurturing

Or opposite, right? And where do you want to

be? How big is that gap?

Because all of that can change

instantly. And I would just say, don't

wait to lose your job where you have to

find something new. Take action now. If you've

stayed with us this long, thank you, first of all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Thank you. It's been super fun. And please send Kate or

myself a message. message because we love hearing from listeners.

We want to hear from you. So if you have questions

or you're like, wait, how do I do this? Just reach out to one of

us and we're happy to chat with you. But if you

want more from your life, you can have it.

You can have it. Yes. And

I'm hearing all of the women I've worked with who then go into their heads

and go, but I don't know what my gifts are. What's my purpose? I don't

know. But like when you face all of those beliefs and all those tapes

are running in the background, and you start to listen to your intuition

and follow those nudges and follow those things that light you up and get creative

in ways that feel fun. You don't have to know. I didn't know

shit. I thought I was stupid and not good at anything. And life was leading

me all along when I got out of my head and out of trying

to figure it out. And actually, I thought I had zero

gifts. And you, when you met me, I was, I was starting to tap into

my gifts in a big way for other people in, in someone else's business. Yeah.

I didn't— this is the 10-year anniversary of my work,

and we knew each other before. Like, I, even then, I didn't

think I was capable of having a business, didn't think I was responsible enough, didn't

think there's any way I could do everything that— and now I'm like, oh my

God. I'm saying every time I'm in Vancouver, I'm like, we walked— my friend's

birthday yesterday, we walked by my old apartment, this building called The Grace.

Not the one that you saw, but the last apartment I lived in, which was

in Greektown. Yeah. I ended up living in Greektown and then moving to Greece.

And it was foreshadowing, but it was a beautiful new building and we walked by

it and we had so many memories cuz COVID times were always at my place

in that building. And, um, and I was like, holy shit.

Like my life, it, it's not just that my life is so different today. I've

been through like 100 versions of myself since

then. Yeah. Like 2022 when I moved and it's only 2020, that's only

4 years. I know. I love it. It's

amazing. And how do you start?

Like you said, if you're one of those women who are thinking,

I don't know what my gifts are. I don't know. I don't know. Let me

say this. I'm gonna say 2 things. Number one, you do know.

It's just been buried. It's in there.

It's underneath a bunch of tar and feathers.

Okay? And lies. And lies. And lies. Okay? So it's in there. You do

know. And there are aspects of you that know. And the idea is

you gotta stop busying yourself so that you give yourself

spaciousness to allow it to sprout and emerge. You gotta

nourish it, you gotta nurture it. And the second thing is do it

messy. In fact, do it wrong. Do it ugly

and wrong and messy. Just start. Because, you know,

even if you have some grand vision, it always starts with

just the first step. That's all. Yeah. one step.

Reach out to Kate and tell her what you're planning on doing.

Reach out to me to tell me what you're planning on doing. Take one

small action, and then take the next one, and the next one. And all

that incremental growth eventually leads to a

quantum leap. Yes. You've stacked up enough,

and then a new opportunity comes your way. And when you have the capacity to

say yes to it, you for it, then you get that quantum

leap. So it starts with doing it messy. Yes, I

love that. And all the perfectionists, so the little like pat, which is a pattern,

that's what you learned when you were little to like perform for the world perfectly.

And then they're gonna grade you and tell you like how much you suck or

how great you are. That pattern, if that's the part that's leading, you'll

never, you'll never, you'll never unlock your gifts because it's, it's not

supposed to be perfect. It's why it is wild and messy, like nature, like wild

and free. So I love that. And

wait, did you have, did you say both things? Did you have 2 things? Yes.

Okay. So, so for the woman who's like, I, cuz of course, and don't

do it alone. I'm gonna say next, don't do it alone. Do it in community.

Do it with mentorship and guidance. Can you remind us, I know we just spoke

to you last week, but your Beacons, I don't wanna botch it. You

tell us, remind us if a woman like wants to work with you, talk to

you, how does she, what, what's possible? Yes.

So I am the founder of a company

called Beacons Global. And you can find us

at beaconsglobal.com. And on the

homepage, it talks about what is a beacon, and there is a quiz,

and you can take the quiz. It tells you what

your number one growth edge is, like what's your biggest

challenge and what to do about it. So most

people, their biggest challenge is in one of 3 categories: money,

love, Or time. And so you're going

to— you'll take the quiz. There's 8 questions, and then you're going to receive

a couple of things that are pretty amazing. And inside of Beacons Global, we

are developing this incredible membership where

I'm basically teaching everything I know about business from a

non-traditional perspective of how to energetically

have a business, how to do it using your intuition,

using your knowing, and using conversation. Mm-hmm. So Kate and I

have been in a conversation this whole time. You've been listening to our

conversation. Conversations are what move

money. Conversations are what

move ideas. And conversations are

what change us internally to start to learn

new things and let go and unlearn other things. So I would

love if anybody has any issues around money, love, time,

come over to beaconsglobal.com, take our quiz,

and you can send me a message inside the portal, inside

your console. And I'm going to be going on stage in there

doing live things, live teachings. You'll be able to ask me

questions. So it's a great place, especially

if you've never started a business, if this is brand new

to you, because I basically created my business out of nothing,

out of thin air, basically. You don't need a business plan. You don't need to

get an MBA. You don't need a certification. You just need to

have an idea and, uh,

some courage. And be connected to your channel, your intuition. Like,

I've channeled all of this. Nobody taught me any of it. Like,

the, all the love stuff I teach, it's not, it wasn't passed down. People are

like, oh, who did you study? Like, of course I studied many people over the

years. But like this message didn't come from anywhere. And same with you.

It's like the more aligned you are with the magic of your own being,

the more like it comes through you. It

absolutely does. And if you care about being someone

who is contributing to us moving

beyond violence and war on Earth, and

you're not quite sure what that even means or how to do that,

definitely come and see us at Beacons Global because we believe that

you are a beacon of light. And you shine from the inside

out. And the idea is that it's vital to be seen. You need

to be seen for the beauty that you are and for

the gifts that you have to share in this world. That's how we all uplift

together. And that's why you're here. You're not here to be

creating a war within yourself and in the world. You're here to be the

change in the world you wish to see. Oh!

Fuck, this was so good. Oh my God. Oh my God. I'm like, yeah, we

might, we'll see if there's another part, but this was so good. I,

I mean, good was, is really a basic word. This was so juicy and

alive. And I feel, I mean, it's so funny. I was saying to my mom

before, like, I'm so tired. Like maybe I should let Marla know I'm a

projector. You know that already. I know that. And like, and then I just

tuned in and it was like, no, you're meant to do this today. And it

just, I mean, even all the foreshadowing of the gas station and all that,

this was so amazing. You're so brilliant. And I always feel so

expanded and inspired by you. Such a badass. And yet

do everything you do is from such love and light and yet such a

powerhouse of a woman. So I feel like you're just such a great example of

all, all of it, you know, rather like one or the other, you're all

of it. And you inspire me so much. So thank you, my friend. I love

you deeply. And go to Beacons Global. We'll link all of this stuff below.

Yes. Um, yeah. Also, Oh, by the way, thank you for that.

And any of the listeners who also maybe feel that way about me or

Kate, we always have this wonderful saying called, if you

spot it, you got it. Yeah. So everything you see in me

is also in you. And I receive that

completely. And I also reflect that back for you. And it's really

beautiful to be in community with people like you, like Mariana,

women really who— and anyone who's on that journey. journey of

growth and evolution and caring about

what we are leaving our next generations. We

wanna leave our world a better place and we wanna be— There's Michael

Jackson. Yeah, there you go. He's coming back in. He's here. He's here.

He was at Ojai the whole time. We kept putting on meditation playlists and they

were fully meditation playlists and every second song was a Michael Jackson song. We were

like, okay, he's here for sure. Oh, I love that. So heal

the world, make it a better place. That's it. I love it so much.

And wait, wait, wait, what was the quote you said? I mean, I know they

can rewind, but— If you spot it, you got it. If you spot it, you

got it. That's so fucking good. How many women are like tortured by jealousy and

comparison? Listen, babe, if you spot it, you got it. That's it. Yeah.

Inspiration. Yeah. The only reason to compare

is for inspiration. Yes. Never to put

yourself or anyone else down. Just for inspiration. Yeah. Yeah. End the war

and let the, let the fires be, the flames be sparked. Yes. Yeah. I love

it so much. You are the best. Thank you, my love.

And as always, share this episode with every woman you know who needs to hear

it. Send this to every woman and man. This episode was so fucking good.

Good. So hot. And we'll

see you next week. Love you. Bye.