Welcome back to another episode of "The Last 10%"! Today we have a very special guest joining us on the show. But before we dive into that, we want to share some exciting updates .

We have recently added a new section to our Enneagram assessments, focusing on using the Enneagram on teams at work. And the best part? Our Enneagram assessment reports are now completely free! So if you've been curious about understanding yourself and your motivations, this is the perfect opportunity to dive into the Enneagram.

We have planned a show dedicated to each Enneagram type, starting with Type 1. This type is often described as a moralist, reformer, perfectionist, and improver. We believe that the Enneagram is a powerful tool for self-awareness, and by exploring each type, we can gain a deeper understanding of ourselves and others.

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extraordinaire, my wife Welcome back to the show, Danielle.

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Thanks.

Yes, absolutely.

So it's been a while since we've had you on the show.

We had a best of episode last.

Last December, I think you were on, and we did some Enneagrams talks last year.

So we have decided that it was time to start jumping into the Enneagram

in more detail and start and start helping get that information out

to our listeners because there's something that's happened since the

last time that you were on the shows.

big change number.

Actually two things, as it relates to the Enneagram.

So number one, We actually added, you actually added a whole new section

to our Enneagram assessments about how the Enneagram, how you can use

the Enneagram on teams at work.

So we dropped back and we said, how can we make this better for our listeners

and for our audience and for the think move thrive, for the think move, thrive

folks that are looking at the Enneagram and downloading these assessments.

And one of the things that we found and heard about is could

we differentiate ourselves in this Enneagram by giving that.

Two.

So that's the first thing is that we added a whole new section to the Enneagram

assessment report when you get it.

The second thing is, now this is even bigger, is that they're completely free.

Now, you don't just get the, you just don't get the little

summary page at the end.

When you take the assessment on think move thrive.com.

When you take your Enneagram, you get the whole thing.

You get the whole thing.

That's pretty amazing.

Yeah.

It's, yeah.

happened.

but what we wanna do is today, and I, and this is why we have you on the

show, and we are excited about that, is we want to talk about, we wanna start

unpacking each type, and we want to just have a show dedicated to each type.

And so today, I think we wanna start at the beginning.

Let's start with the, let's start with Enneagram type one.

Can you tell our listeners about the Enneagram one, type

in just everyday layman terms.

Sure.

if anyone's new to the show and they've really not heard about the Enneagram,

it's simply a tool that you can use to uncover, yes, your personality,

strengths, weaknesses, things like that.

But it really uncovers your motivations.

Some things that maybe lie below the surface for you and,

If not you, your coworker, your spouse, your friend, even your children.

So I see.

I think it's a great tool.

It's a great tool for self-awareness.

And yeah, Dallas, you and I have found that this is great.

In teams, in companies to just get teams to work better, more closely,

kind of understand each other better.

so, sure.

Yeah.

I'm excited to talk about this type one, and there's just so much to say about the

type one and in fact, one of our children kind of leans towards some of these things

that's included in type one, so I'm sure we'll talk about some of those and put

some examples into some of these words.

But essentially in our report, and if you Google the Enneagram,

you'll find that a couple words.

Will come up for each type.

So I'll just start with that.

So a couple of the words that we thought resonated when we think about this

person who's the type one is a moralist.

And when I think of that, I think of the person who really has a

right and wrong and strong ethics surrounding what's right, what's wrong.

And I would even go further to say is that they really stand upon.

Making things right.

Doing things right.

and that comes down to even in, even in the way they're dressed

and, even make sure that their car's clean and things like that.

it's just that rightness, for that person.

So more or less, another word would be reformer, perfectionist.

You could use that.

Sometimes that has a negative connotation, a perfectionist.

But I think if you're a type one, It doesn't have to be a bad thing

that you're a perfectionist.

I think you going back to that moral concept and idea.

It just means that you want things done right and there's really strength in that.

and then the last one that I would use to describe the type one is an improver.

And I have some friends who are type one, and I have seen this through and

through where a type one will see some kind of need in a friend or a family

member or a child, and they will really rally around that person to a high

level, to a high degree, and they will.

Champion the calls, they'll, whatever needs to be done, they're the first

to say, this needs to be done.

We're gonna improve this situation.

so I really, all the types in the Enneagram are wonderful, but this is

also just, it is just a wonderful type.

And so I wanna applaud all the ones out there.

If you're listening, you're a type one, you're gonna learn a

lot about yourself as we just move through this, this information.

but also, maybe you're not a type one, maybe your teammate at work or.

Your boss or your child, or your friend or your spouse is a type one.

So hopefully through the things we talk about, you can learn a little

bit more about that type of a person.

Yeah, I think that is fantastic.

And I, it's interesting to me because, I think with any assessment,

and I'm an as, I'm gonna, I'm a, I'm an assessment junkie.

I've, we've both taken.

A tremendous amount of assessments.

I'm seeing 'em all.

But one of the things I think is interesting, and some people may get

turned off about assessments is they feel like they are put in a box.

So when we describe, a number one Enneagram, I know you feel strongly about

this, so how would you frame that for people who are like, I don't want to, I

don't wanna know about this Enneagram?

'cause I'm not just a, perfectionist, like if that there's a negative connotation.

some people would have that word.

How would you frame that up for people and why the Enneagram would be

important, and even though there's, there is some labels there, how do

you frame and capture that idea?

I think that's a great question.

So the Enneagram really doesn't really put you in a box because there's all

these wild words and if you take our assessment, we go through what they mean.

But essentially, if you come up and you answer the questions on our

assessment or any assessment online, I.

You are a type one.

What you'll find is that your dominant type would be type one, but then on

either side of that Enneagram circle, you might lean a little to this, the type

to the left, or you might lean a little bit to the type to the right and so on.

For the type one.

For instance, there's the two on the one side and then the nine on the other side.

so I'll just, for an example, one of our daughters, I'm pretty sure

she's like really a type two, maybe leaning towards the one, or she might

be a type one, leaning towards a two.

But all that to say, there's just so much flexibility with any within the Enneagram.

Because it doesn't say every type one is going to be a certain way.

It just suggests these are some characteristics, these are some strengths.

These are also some things to watch out for.

You could call them weaknesses, but just things to be aware of with each type.

So I.

I think that it doesn't put you in a box really.

And then there's this other concept, where it talks about wings and arrows

and when you're in strength, they'll move it to a type seven, and then in

stress they'll move to a type four.

So really just having an awareness of those types also will help a

number one figure out like, oh, I am really doing well in my life.

Because I'm adapting to this set.

You know, bringing in the seven personality and what a seven

brings to a one is a lot of spontaneity, a lot of flexibility.

So anyways, we'll get more into that.

but back to your original question, there is so much flexibility in the

Enneagram and I don't think that I.

Anyone, when they start studying their type, I don't think

they'll feel put in a box at all.

I really think that light bulbs will go off and they'll think, man, I'm

learning so much about myself and that's true of me, and that's true of me.

And I think that's the hope.

you can take any test and it can come back as whatever the result is,

but really the best tool for you.

Maybe you shouldn't even take the test.

Maybe you should just read about the types.

And I've heard people say that about the Enneagram because when you read the type.

That resonates with you.

You will know it and you'll go, oh my goodness, I am

that is true.

And that's how it worked for me.

And I think that's how it worked for you too.

And then there's these like weird little nuances with each type that

you're like, Ooh, that is so weird that they pegged me that way.

I think that's interesting that you point that out.

is that the Enneagram is assigning types, but not necessarily labels

and because each type has so many different facets to it, I've worked

with a lot of number ones on the Enneagram and they're totally different.

like you, if you didn't know they were number one, it would be like, wow.

how do I quantify this?

'cause these people are acting to them, but there's the healthy and unhealthy

versions of those, are under stress and, and thriving versions of those.

and then there's the wings that they kinda lean one way or another.

So you can have, you can.

You can see this person and they could be a number one.

And what I think it's really interesting is it really gets down to your

core drives or core fear, right?

There's this, there's these things that are very important to you and they're

just gonna come out and manifest and stuff because you are who you are and.

And you've had the experiences that you've had and you're made

a certain way, and there's these core things that you're driven by.

And you can be driven in a positive way, or you can be driven in a negative way.

You can be more flexible, you can be that.

And so I think that's really cool.

So let's talk about, let's talk about number ones as they are in an, in a

business environment, if they're healthy.

Number ones, what do they, what does that look like?

Okay.

That's a great question.

They're orderly.

They're going to be self-disciplined, so when they come into work, they're

gonna know what they need to do.

They're gonna do it.

It goes back to that idea of being.

An improver, a reformer, and even being a more or less, they're very

principled in what they're gonna do.

They also were very fair, with employees, you could even call it rightness, this

idea for rightness, that can come across as critical in some situations because

they're really striving for things to be principled, for things to be orderly,

for things to be planned out detailed, because that's just how they are.

That's what's what they bring to the table.

And I'll give a quick example of that.

we have somewhat of a family band and we'll play together, out

at different things and events

Or you're telling all kind of secrets.

Now you're

Yeah,

secrets.

Now this is going out over the world.

Be careful.

Yeah, one of our daughters will get really,

I'm not sure the word to say, but she'll get really aware.

That's nicely putting it.

If we accidentally Dallas, her eye or one of the other girls, change

the key of the song and she's

Which I am notorious for doing.

That is a half step up or that is a half step down.

And so what she brings to us is really beautiful.

She's very detail oriented.

She remembers all the words to all the songs, and.

that is

She brings that, like she's, and another word I could

use is very reliable, like she'll say, that's not quite right, but

she knows it's not quite right.

And so I think the negative side of that could be that she might look at

us and say, oh, these terrible human beings, they never get it right.

You know?

And she might do that, but she doesn't actually verbalize that.

So in a healthy way, she's just, Pointing it out.

So like back to your question on a team, this person is very reliable to point

out any kind of variances flaws where things are, not held up to the level or

the standard that they're supposed to be.

And in a negative way that person, that's the one type could find

themselves very aggravated.

if they're on a team of all these people who are, out of the box

thinkers and they're not quite.

As principled and not quite as, I would even use the word rigid

about things being just right.

So that, anyways, the negative side could be that the criticalness comes through.

Yeah, I've had that experience with number ones.

I had, a number one as a manager in, a company.

And that person was was just so quick to be honest with me about a

policy change, if we're wanting to implement this or if we needed to

implement something or if there was a process that wasn't working right.

it was.

It was like as soon as she was promoted to that position, it was

like, immediately she just came and said, can I change these things?

'cause they're driving me crazy.

these, this is all the things that we need.

And it was unbelievable how they were actually right.

It was, it was true.

And yet that team had lived with that for so long that they were okay with it.

But she could see all those things.

She was very respectful in her approach to that.

Just very open and like, Hey, if you've got a problem with this, let me know, but

I see these are the issues that we have.

And then also with some policy stuff, it's we need to do this for this person.

she was absolutely a rockstar at recognizing people on their birthday

and making sure they felt cared for And there was a, there was a right way

to do that, and this is the right way, and it wasn't too much and it wasn't

too little, and it was just right.

And so if you've got somebody on your team that is that person

that's constantly coming to you and saying, Hey, we need to do this.

this is good.

They have an opinion.

I think number one's, they have an opinion about

They do.

You're right.

the right way.

And so if you've got somebody with an opinion, then you may have a

number one that you're working with

It's great.

Yeah.

I think, and I, what comes to mind Dallas when you're saying that, and I love

that example, is if you are a manager or even a teammate of this person, ask

yourself, is this person improving the environment, the policies, the, like,

even, acknowledging the birthdays, like are they improving the environment

Because that could be a telltale sign.

Like they're geared to improve, like they're geared to see things in a

detailed way that could be bettered.

They'll, and they'll do that.

They'll bring that energy to your team and that's a really great, that's a

really great quality of somebody to

Now I've, yeah, I've gotta say this though.

On the flip side, I've had, it's not the same person, different

person I've worked with in the past.

That's also a number one.

And they were super detail oriented, which is not necessarily, it's, it can be a

trait, but not necessarily, but they were so perfection driven and detail oriented

that it drove them to a place of being hypercritical and their productivity.

Suffered tremendously.

So they, it's almost like they could not get their work done unless everything

was perfect and because nothing is ever perfect, they're, they could, it's almost

like they couldn't function and get their.

Core job, their core job done, and they were real negative and the

whole team kinda suffered from it because they were quick to point out

flaws and mistakes and they weren't necessarily making things better.

it was a negative energy on the team.

So let's talk about that a little bit.

As a number one.

What is a number one that may not be healthy look like and what,

how's that gonna play out on a team?

Well, that's a great question.

So going back to this terminology that we use in the Enneagram, an arrow

is essentially, when you look at the Enneagram circle, it suggests where, One

type will move and they'll take on some negative characteristics of another type.

And so for the number one type, they move to the four and the four, just to give you

a little synopsis, is like very unique.

They're sort of an individualist.

They.

want to stand out like they're the person who has like an amazingly unique

outfit, or shoes or something like that.

I mean, not always, but that just kind of comes to mind as a stereotype

of that type in a negative way.

So one might take on these characteristics.

They can be very emotional when they're not healthy.

A four.

And so normally a number one is very put together in, in a healthy place

when they're in a healthy place.

They are not very emotional.

They're not really barky.

They're not really overtly angry.

They, if they are, they wouldn't show it.

I.

But when they're in an unhealthy place, maybe there's so much

stress placed upon them.

Maybe it's an external thing or maybe it's an internal thing of the thing you

were just describing, like maybe they're feeling I'm not good enough, like I need

to improve myself and I can't measure up.

Maybe I can't live up to the perfection that I've set for myself.

And so if that happens in this type, then that's really shattering.

Because they are so geared towards improvement and perfection and

everything being just right.

And so when that happens, this type one in this real stressful place can feel

like the world's turned upside down.

They usually wouldn't cry, but you might find them crying, other types

cry all the time, but this type typically doesn't cry that often.

But when their world's turned upside down and they're stressed out, and

they could use the word overwhelmed.

They just feel like nobody sees me, you know?

And then also a characteristic of this type one type in this stressful

place is that they'll start blaming.

They'll start saying oh, this was this person's fault in my upbringing, or, oh,

this is this person's fault in my team.

And so what does that do in that stressful place for this number

one, it makes everybody around them.

Not really wanna help.

it becomes like a real rigid walking on eggshells kind of environment.

And you just see that number one who's unhealthy, like really spiraling because

nobody wants to come in and help 'em.

Yeah.

No, that's, well what, what's interesting to me, That you say that?

it is, when I think about that on the number one side, I've

never really thought about that.

I can understand the drive for perfection and improving and reforming,

and I can understand how that could go to an unhealthy extreme.

So if you are driven to perfection, to the point where you're just

driving everybody crazy because you just, you are trying to make things

perfect instead of making them better.

Right then I can see how that is a problem, but I've never really thought

about it as it relates to yourself in that your own personal standards are so

high for yourself that it's almost like you can't even meet them in a way that

allows you to function or you have this guilt and shame associated with that.

and or you can't accept that.

So you're putting the blame on other people, and I think that's an interesting.

I've just never really thought about that as it relates to

number ones in an unhealthy way.

And and so if you're

on a team that, that would make sense.

yeah, it would, and some things that I would recommend

for really any type, but particularly this type, when they find themselves

in that low stressful place.

'cause that's a very lonely place and it's kinda like you throw your hands up

and you're like, I don't know what to do.

I think journaling is super helpful in saying, this is what I have

set for myself as a standard.

Just seeing that is super helpful because then you can make sense of it.

But sometimes when things are coming in our thought life so quickly, they're

hard to slow down those thoughts.

And so looking at that in a journal and then writing out

underneath the, underneath that statement, is that reasonable?

am I putting too much on myself?

You know that helps you see maybe you are being a little hard on yourself.

some other things that I think are helpful for a type one is

meditating on positive statements.

And so in our report we have some of those versus different quotes, just so that

you can tell yourself, I am enough and.

I don't have to be this certain thing, or do this certain thing

like I'm enough right now.

because I think this constant strive for perfection, it can

be just really exhausting.

And so to take the kind of idea of a number one to another place, Dallas, I

don't wanna miss out on the strengths of a very healthy and a secure, number one.

Yeah,

number one, and this is interesting.

So in the unhealthy place, the one will move to a four, but in a very healthy.

Great place.

A number one will move to a type seven, A type seven's real spontaneous.

They're real, life of the party, like real fun, like real jovial,

laughing, a lot adventurous.

That's a type seven.

So when you think of a type one, you don't normally think type seven.

But what I would submit is in this idea of an arrow that when a type one takes

on some of those characteristics of.

Adventure, spontaneity, you know, laying back in the chair and laughing.

just kind of like a little bit more flexibility.

Then that number one, within their own self becomes more at peace because

they're able to lessen their standards.

I'm not trying to say they're not moral anymore, they're just

lessening that internal, quota

a, they let, they, as we say, they give it

a little wiggle room, right?

they have a little bit of space there, a little bit of margin.

I think that's really good because it just, the flexibility, it

takes out the rigidity and I think it, it would help the one I.

Be more able to cope because things if it, if you're, if you have to

have it perfect and there's no flexibility in that and life is just

not perfect, then that is a hard.

That's a hard thing.

You because you're just gonna be constantly defeated or pushing against,

something that's the immovable object.

So I feel like that having that flexibility that with a seven would just,

it would allow you to just kind of, I don't know, be more free, be more free

to be your, be the improver, but know when to be like, That's good enough.

This is good.

We can make this work.

Right.

So I think that's really good.

I also like how you said that there, there's some little tricks and tips there.

if you're number one and you find yourself in an unhealthy space, we

want to get you to where we, we need you on a team to bring your best.

And we, you have so many gifts and talents that you can bring to a team.

I love how you, you, you said that , it's something as simple as just meditating on.

positive things and positive ideas and those affirmations, those meditative

statements and really checking in your beliefs and what are, what is that,

what's that going off in your head?

What's that loop telling you?

What are you what that self-talk and then journaling just to get that out on paper.

I thought that was a really good statement for number one.

Yeah, I think that, oh, I was just gonna say is a tack on.

I'll just go ahead and give some that come to mind, as an affirmation or a verse

of some encouragement that a number one could meditate on, even write it down and

journal upon it, and then think about it, but, One would be from Ephesian that says,

get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger.

Be kind and compassionate to one another.

And what I would submit to a number one type is that they need to be kind

and compassionate to themselves, first.

And so getting rid of.

The idea of in this verse why I think it's appropriate, it's like

getting rid of all criticalness for yourself, for your family member.

if somebody doesn't do, let's say, make up the bed quite right, just let it go.

think about a seven, just be a little bit more fluid, a little bit more

flexible, and just be like, oh, at least they tried, get, and so don't

let it, like this verse says, get rid of all bitterness, rage, and anger.

don't let that, standard of perfection, like, Get you angry, right?

Just be be thankful, ponder the thankful thing, and be kind and compassionate,

to yourself and to one another.

I really like that.

I think that would be something that, this type would really benefit from just

a daily kind of think that through and even put it on their mirror and kind

of ponder that as each day goes by.

that's a good point.

That's a good point.

Now I wanna move this over to a coach.

And so in our report we have some the, in fact it's towards the end.

There are superpowers that the number one, each type has superpowers, but

there's specific superpowers that the number one has as it relates to coaching.

Now we are passionate about coaching and the one-on-one coaching system, and we

want to help teams empower, their leaders.

To become leader coaches and develop everybody in their organization, whether

that's a nonprofit or whether that's a for-profit, large organization, small

organization, big team, little team.

We want you to in integrate coaching and development into that.

And so what are some of the cool superpowers that the number one

would have as it relates to if they were developing and coaching you?

If you're being led by a healthy number one, what would you expect to see?

I love that question.

They would be very attentive to detail.

So when they were sitting in front of, or being around an employee that they might

be coaching, they would notice things.

They would notice, Hmm, is this employee happy or they're not, or

are they doing their job or they not?

they would just be really keen to.

To cue in on.

The employee's temperament.

even maybe you know some things that might be going on outside

of the scope of their work.

'cause they're just so intent on thinking about the details.

And then another thing is this, number one has high standards.

So if they notice an employee, Or someone they're coaching has the ability to

move up or improve a number one coach.

They're gonna quickly be able to identify that and they're gonna be

able to help say, Hey, if I were using myself as an example, they might say,

Hey Danielle, I think if you were a little more organized, you might

be able to reach the goal of being.

Whatever the next step is in the company.

And most of the time that number one is gonna be able to see quickly what that is.

They're gonna be able to identify that and they would want to help walk hand

in hand with that employee to get to that better place, to meet their goals.

and I really like that.

I think that's a great superpower of this type.

And then lastly, they always wanna improve.

They wanna have continuous improvement.

in learning and in developing their self and in developing their team.

So I think, this type one, would want to look outside of their organization.

And so they might go, they might come back and say, Hey, we need to

invest in this leadership training and we might need to invest in, this

new technology so that we can have continuous improvement in our team.

And so I, I truly think that this type is a wonderful person to have on your team.

Whether they be the one being coached or the coach themselves,

All right.

You talk about development.

That's a great point.

And if they like being developed and continuous improvement, what would be

an example of a book, or a category of books that you would recommend if you are.

Number one on the Enneagram, what is Danielle's recommendation for something

you should be reading to develop if you, want to improve and move into more

of that healthy space of a number one?

That's a good question.

Wow.

my thoughts.

I've got

Oh, okay.

the first, to be honest, the first thing that came to mind.

This is counterintuitive, but the book Fish, I really like

Ooh, that's a good one.

Well, the reason I would choose it, and it came top of mind.

I probably have other ones and you might have others that would be a beautiful

book choice for this type, but the reason I choose that one is because sometimes.

this type one can get so rigid and down in the details because

that's their strength, right?

Like you said, that's their superpower.

You can get so enmeshed into that, that it's hard to come up for air.

And so what fish does is it shows you need to have fun at work.

Yeah.

Yeah.

like that.

And not only can you be productive and you can improve the environment

and do all great things in your work, but you can have a lot of fun.

And I think that when we talk about the type one, when they go to that seven

type, when they're most healthy, and I've called it jokingly, called it like the

one is in seventh heaven or whatever, when they're embracing flexibility

and spontaneousness, I think that fish brings all of that to the type one.

So I would recommend

Ah, that's a, that's a better recommendation.

See, I was so bored

the top of my head there.

Yeah, that's really good.

And so just for the listeners that have never read Fish before,

it's called the Fish Philosophy.

And essentially it is a, if you've ever gone to, I think it's Pikes

Seafood out in or fish market Pikes.

Fish Market out Seattle, Pikes, Seattle Fish Market.

Anyway, it's this

that needs to be bucket list.

I know we need to put that on the list, but they,

but you go there and they, this is like the open market where they're

throwing fish that's just come off the boat and everybody, it's a scene.

They're, like walking around chasing kids with like dead octopuses and

stuff on these videos, and it's crazy.

I mean, they, one thing they do is they have a lot of fun and if you can, and

you can just see that everybody there really enjoys their job and they're.

Chopping up dead fish every day for a living.

And so if you can sit there and smell like a dead fish and love your work, I think

their whole thing is how do you do that?

How do you build a culture like that?

And, it's a great book and it's great because it's, a little business fable

and it's easy to read and easy to digest.

But I think that, to your point, actually, I love that.

I love

Yeah, I love it

but for a number one,

it, I'm like, that was a good answer, Danielle,

it really was, you know, and yeah.

Yeah, no.

Well, and it resonates because one of their, one of their main points

is to make their day, make their day, have fun, choose your attitude.

All those are just right down the center line of what we're

talking about for number

And really what

totally win the, you totally win the book award.

You totally

thank you.

I should get some

ah, it's tough when you're number one.

off, I think that when a number one uses all their

superpowers and couples it, with all of those things, those philosophies

that Fish suggests, I think they.

Can't be beat.

Like I just think that is the perfect combination of making people's day, but

yet holding the standard, and anyway.

I love it.

what was your

I can, I don't even know.

I don't even think that, I don't even think I can share mine now.

It's it is such a, it's not even.

it's so second place.

I don't even think I can, I don't even feel good about it.

Now I feel actually, I feel pretty insecure about it.

I will say this, I will say this as I'm a number seven, as you can attest, and

I would say that on one side, I think unhealthy number ones probably are a part

of a handful of ones on the Enneagram I struggle with the most as a leader is

just that's that whole sandpaper thing.

It just, or like fingers on chalkboard, it's like, ooh.

Probably the rigidity, right?

Would you say Dallas?

Yes.

Ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.

very black and white, very rigid.

Killing me.

Killing me.

And really it really st.

Str, it just struggle for me.

I'm on the struggle bus with that.

However, what I would say is a healthy number one turns out to be one of the

most refreshing people that I work with.

Because they're so attentive to detail, they catch all the stuff that I run.

I just completely blow by and don't think

Would you say they're very responsible and reliable?

I

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes, a hundred percent.

So that's, so that's very interesting.

And so I would say this, if you're leading a team, don't just assume

if someone is a certain type that you're gonna not or like them, because

there's so many facets to everybody.

they, everybody, every type has these values and superpowers

they bring to the team.

They bring as leaders, they bring as team members, and it's really about,

Figuring out who they are and where they are in all of that, that really

helps, you to be able to maximize.

If you're developing a number one and you're engaging with them, you may be

rubbing on each other a little bit, but if you can understand them and

then they can grow as a number one, that may turn into the best, that

may turn into your greatest ally and asset that you've got on your team.

And so, um, yeah, so don't mark

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think too, Dallas, that's a great point.

Let's say, as a boss, you're leading a number one, and let's say you're

always late to the meeting, that's not gonna go well for them, right?

Because they like things to be right.

So you would never know that unless you understood what a number one is.

And so having the understanding of what's important to a

number one is gonna help you.

Lead that person, make your office environment more, pleasing

and you're just gonna get them.

And likewise, as we discuss all the different types in subsequent, episodes,

I think it's real important to just understand who these people are.

and Dallas and I, Dallas, we can attest to, we've seen this work in real time

in team situations where these teams.

They didn't really like each other, and then all of a sudden the light bulb goes

off and they're like, oh, that's why she's like that, or that's why he's like that.

And so you can just understand a little bit better.

Lastly, the only thing else I wanted to say, Dallas, is that in the

Enneagram, there's a thing called triads, because there's nine types,

there's three groups of three, and this is interesting about a number one.

So on your team, this could be helpful that the number one, the number eight,

And the number nine are all in a triad where they process decision making.

They process decisions in emotion, in a similar way that eight, nine, and one

types and what I would call that and what we call that in our report is a

gut response, like a gut type decision.

And so the strength of that is that when you have a quick decision or

even a decision that doesn't even need to be quick, they can tell you

pretty quickly I wanna go to that restaurant or this is the decision

we need to move in for our company.

Or yes, that person's gonna be a good hire.

They're just able to make a decision quickly.

And depending on the health of the person, maybe it's a good or bad decision.

But what I would just say is that the way they process information,

it's gonna be pretty quick.

and so with the other triads being some, this feeling.

In, the two, three, and four type, and then the thinking and the

five, six, and seven, and we can get into all that other stuff, but

sometimes that rubs on each other.

sometimes that quick thinker rubs on the person who really needs to mull

over the decision for like 30 minutes.

I mean, like, I'm a heart feeler person, and when a gut person makes

a quick decision, especially when it's about something important,

I'm just like, I'm just like, what?

How do they make that decision so quickly?

And it just, I just, I'm like, okay, you make that decision for you, but I've

gotta think about this a little bit more.

So anyways, just understanding that I think is real helpful to

understand that, about that type one and how they make decisions.

I feel like there's a, I think I, I wonder if there's

the reason, psychologically that they have such a strong moral

framework, such a strong moral, right?

It's almost like it just runs it through those filters really quick

and it's the answer is so apparent.

It's of course it's this, because this is right.

There's, you don't have to think about it.

You don't have to look at the numbers.

'cause this is it.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know the why.

But, uh, but it is true, and that's, that's a good point.

That they are good gut decision makers and, and quick decision makers on that.

That's cool.

All right, well, hey, thanks for.

Thanks for unpacking the number one on the Enneagram.

We're just, we've decided this before the show.

We're just going to do these sporadically throughout because we've got other

guests lined up, for the fall.

But we wanted to get this out there so that we can have it on

the website as another resource.

We already got the report, out there for free, but having sometimes

people like to digest information different ways, and so we wanna

get the podcast out there as well.

And you've done several of these Enneagram workshops recently, so, it's

very good to have these out in case other people want some resources around that.

One of the cool things that we have coming up, this is the announcement

time for ThinkMoveThrive, and, some cool things that are coming, I guess

the last time you're on the show, this is a good time to talk about it.

The last time you're on the show, we made this like super big time

secret announcement of the name of the book that we have coming out and

we shared the name, it was LIFT, and then we were like, Hey, it's coming

out in January and, maybe February.

And then it was like, well, it didn't show up.

And so then we had people reaching out to us going Hey, what is the deal man?

you guys were supposed to have this book coming out and so I just wanna

take a minute to tell everybody what in the world happened, what's going on?

And the long short of it is have you ever tried to write a book?

If you try to write a book, you know, it's brutal.

It's a brutal process.

And so back when we, back when in 2018, we came up with move, people

don't realize like we, I wrote.

Move.

And I sent it to our editor at the time, and she was out in Kansas, and I

remember getting it back, the first copy and when I sent it to her, I gotta be

honest, I'd never written a book before.

I sent her the first draft.

And I was like, I'm not a writer, but this is gonna be pretty amazing.

She's probably gonna get it and be like, wow, you know, you're the best Dallas.

And,

you Dallas.

I'm so impressed with your writing.

Where did you come from?

Did you graduate from Harvard?

And that is exactly the opposite of what happened.

I got the manuscript back in and I was looking at the page and I was like, maybe

the red words are what we're supposed to keep, and the black words on the page

are what we're supposed to get rid of.

Maybe it's in reverse.

that is not what happened.

the red words, she essentially, she marked up the entire document and

but it was a great experience for me.

We went through a year of rewriting over and over and editing over and

over again after the book was written.

So it was a year to write it, another year to edit it.

And The process is crazy.

So this time we're doing it differently.

It's a different kind of book than MOVE!.

LIFT is a business fable, similar to what you actually mentioned earlier with Fish.

So it's cool that you brought that up.

And so here's why.

Here's why we're coming out with another business Fable.

This is, This is what we're trying to do.

Number one, we've been doing leadership summits for private clients for,

gosh, it's been almost 10 years now.

And so one of the things that I've realized when we do a book as a part

of the summit is that a lot of people, they, a lot of people don't read

leadership books, or they might be intimidated to oh my gosh, if I gotta

read a 300 page book, I don't care.

Just gimme the Cliff Notes version.

This is gonna, I don't have time for this.

Or it's just too much.

It's too much.

but what I have seen is that people will not be so intimidated by a business

story, a fable, and they'll get pulled into the storyline and oh, this is cool.

It's that easy read.

It's a short book, but then you have your concepts dribbled

and sprinkled all through this.

This storyline and it's just easier for people to digest.

And also they see it in context.

So they see this character or these characters and they see the

principles play out in this fable.

And so that is why we are going with a business fable this time because we

wanted to share these ideas all about culture and how to create culture.

There's levers that you can pull to move and change and grow

and strengthen your culture.

And that's what this is.

Whether it's a team or an organization, the levers are the same.

And so that is what the business fable is on.

So, lift is still coming out.

And so if any of you have been wondering where in the world is LIFT?

LIFT is actually when we got to February and we were looking at that

final manuscript, we just got to it and we said, No, it's not good enough.

It's not what we want.

And in, so we scrapped it and we kept, obviously the same core

principles are there, but the whole storyline was rewritten again.

And we've been working on that since then.

Just making it right.

'cause we don't want to come out with something fast.

We want to come out with something great.

And so we feel like we're, yeah, we feel like we're there.

You've read it, you've read LIFT and,

Yeah,

it's.

great.

Definitely better than what it was, last, December.

And so

It's a great easy read and that's what I would stress.

Fish is the same way, and there's several other, like of this type books.

They're pretty short.

They're really, like you said, digestible, easy to read, great storyline.

You just grow to love these characters.

But also what I love about a business table is that you can see yourself in

the shoes of the characters of these.

Business tables and there's several in this category.

Yours, being my favorite.

I would say

Ah, yes.

Ah, yes.

I'm still kind of sore that you won the book challenge though.

you still said Fish.

I.

I can't get.

Bob, I appreciate you coming back on that, but . Um, so yeah, so that, so

that's exactly what we're trying to do.

And so as we go now, I can say with some surety that the book manuscript has

actually moved into the copy editing.

The publisher sent it to the copy editors and the.

And the layout people and all the typeset people and all that stuff.

So now we have a hard date.

So we will be making more announcements in the next four weeks

about the release date of LIFT.

So stay tuned about lift and we'll keep you posted.

Danielle, thanks for being on the show and We'll, have you back for

some more Enneagram talks real soon.

Thanks for having me.

It was a lot of fun.