A Battle of Wits with an Unarmed Man

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Welcome to Queernecks, the podcast that puts the "yehaw" in y'all means all.

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I'm your host, Beck,

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Dash: and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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Beck: Hola, señor

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¿ está?

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¿ Dash: Bien?

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¿Y tú?

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Beck: Taco taco.

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That's all of the Spanish I know.

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Dash: Oh.

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Beck: a know even less French.

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I know French, I know the word

mustard, and I know j'ai envie de

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poulet ce soir, de poulet ce soir.

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Do you remember that?

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Dash: You've told me that before,

but I've never heard it before that.

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And I didn't take French in high school.

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I took Spanish and Latin, and then I took

some more Spanish when I got to college.

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And I know to, perhaps navigate

a, a slight emergency situation.

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I don't know.

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Beck: Yeah, I don't know any.

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I, I've, I took Japanese and

French and I couldn't tell you.

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I, the, I remember more

Japanese than I do French

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Dash: Wow.

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Yeah, I don't…

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would be really cool, like tho- like

the non Indo-European languages.

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Like, just a language that has

absolutely nothing in common

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with the one that we speak.

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It's just so

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Beck: it was really cool how they did it

because it was very a low-tech endeavor.

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Um, it was me and my very good friend Ben.

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He's the guy that married me and Shanna.

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He, I, when I moved to Lucasville in

the sixth grade, I got sat next to

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him, and we've been BFFs ever since.

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Um, he's an attorney in Columbus.

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Anyway, uh, wait, what was I telling you?

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I totally just lost my mind.

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Japanese.

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So it was me and Ben in Japanese

class, and it was facilitated

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by the librarian who had no

knowledge of Japanese whatsoever.

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So we had these, like, really thick books

that we would get, and every day there

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would be an episode broadcast on TV,

um, on satellite, and my, the librarian

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would record it, and then Ben and I would

watch that during our language period.

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And then we had exams that we had to

mail in, and then we did speaking.

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We would have a conference call.

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It was us and a little

school in Louisiana.

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They had, like, four people, and there

was a Japanese facilitator, and we

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would have conversations and talk.

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And that, uh, L- Louis- Japanese and

Louisiana accent was really interesting.

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They were worse than we were.

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That's hillbillies.

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it was inter- it was really cool

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Dash: Well, that's very similar

to how our Latin class was.

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I don't believe there was

a satellite component.

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I think it was actually VHS tapes,

because I, we, we went into a room and

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there was a facilitator who did not

speak Latin, just a school employee, and

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would put the, the tapes in or whatever

they were, and a pre-recorded lesson

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a woman who I swear she was an NPC.

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The…

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I don't think this woman

existed outside of these tapes.

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Her name was Jane Smith.

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She got one haircut a

year on her birthday.

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Like, she, the

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Beck: For the personal details,

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Dash: were like, "Are

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Beck: we're like, "Are you made up?"

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Dash: but, and I remember,

like, she had sh- I don't…

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She didn't have an accent like ours,

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Beck: bit like ours, but

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Dash: American

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Beck: American accent because

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Dash: know

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Beck: we're-- we don't know

what Latin sounds like.

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We

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Dash: We know,

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Beck: know,

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Dash: you know, w-

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Beck: you know, how…

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Dash: know the

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Beck: We know the specifically the version

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Dash: and phonemes

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Beck: of

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Dash: just from historical records, right?

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So we know that, like, the V would

be pronounced with a W sound.

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There were no soft Cs,

they were all hard Cs.

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So the word caveat is actually caweat.

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Beck: away on.

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So

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Dash: there's things like

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Beck: there's things like that we

know, but we don't know what it sounded

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like to be spoken 'cause it's dead.

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Nobody has spoken in, you know.

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Dash: So it

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Beck: So it doesn't really

matter what her accent

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Dash: very

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Beck: was, but it still very

was like, I remember her.

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" Dash: Cornelia East…"

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Beck: Eve,

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Dash: Like, everybody was

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Beck: like everybody was named

Cornelia in All Creatures Great

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Shana wants to name everything Petunia

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Dash: Petunia's a good name.

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There's a scene in Monty Python Life

of Brian where a street ruffian is

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doing graffiti and the guard comes

up, played by John Cleese, and starts

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correcting his grammar, and starts, like,

conjugating it the way you have to do

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whenever you're doing Latin because it's

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Beck: Right?

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Dash: complex.

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And so the guard, like, takes

his, like, He's got this blood red

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paintbrush and, and stuff, and starts,

like, painting on the wall, showing

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him how to conjugate the thing.

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It's so funny

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Beck: That is hilarious.

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They went to France when I was in

high school, and God, I wanted to

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go on that trip, but my mom didn't

have the money to send me to France.

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Um, it was a couple grand to go.

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But several people went, and

they had the time of their lives.

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I recently, like in the last two

weeks, reached out to my French

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teacher, um, because after Japanese

1, I decided Japanese 2 was not for

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me 'cause I'm really bad at languages.

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But you had to take at least two years of

something, so I started over with French.

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Uh, and so I was with the class below me.

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The man that proudly taught me,

we called him the Monshore because

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we couldn't say the monsieur.

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We called him the Monshore, and

he taught us words like mustard,

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and I feel like chicken tonight,

and whoop eleah, whoop eleah.

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I knew that one from French class as well.

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But I reached out to him.

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He's teaching at a, at a high school in,

in Ashland, Kentucky, and I reached out

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to him, but I haven't heard back yet.

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He was one of my favorite teachers.

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He was very ineffective as a teacher,

but he was a really fabulous person, so

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Dash: Have you ever, like, reconnected

with any of your teachers on, like,

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social media like since leave, since

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Beck: Y- m- my high school

English teacher is hilarious.

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Her name is Mrs.

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Williams, and she's probably in

her 80s now, and she has a gay

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son, and she has a very sharp wit.

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Like, I remember she taught, like,

world literature, so we learned,

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like, Beowulf and Dante's Inferno.

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We read things like that.

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Not Inferno, The Seven Circles of Hell.

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Which one's…

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Is that Inferno?

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Dash: Yeah,

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Beck: Divine Comedy.

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A- and we also had a semester of

Shakespeare, so she w- bravely taught

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Appalachian teenagers Shakespeare.

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But one time she got into

an argument with this kid.

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Um, he was just being a dick, and the

thing you have to know about him is

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that when he was a kid, him and his

brother were playing with swords, and

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he got the, the tip of his ring finger

cut off on one of his hands, so he

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had four and a half fingers, right?

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And so they got into this

argument, and she said, "Mr.

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Metzler, I will not have battle

of wits with an unarmed man."

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And it was really funny 'cause

he's missing a finger, and

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that just, we all roared.

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Like, I can imagine

how embarrassed he was.

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It was fucking hilarious.

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He never gave her shit after that.

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was, there was another teacher.

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She would pick people up and throw

them out of the room, desk and all

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Dash: Damn

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Beck: Yeah, that was Mrs.

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War- or Miss Warren.

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She was single.

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She never married.

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And there were times I

swear her desk meowed.

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She was famous for having all her cats

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Dash: Oh, man.

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Beck: Teachers are a fun

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bunch.

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Dash: The

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get away with shit, man

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Beck: And my mom would never tell me who,

but she said there were teachers at my

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school that would come into the shop.

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So that was interesting.

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I wanted to know who,

but she wouldn't tell me

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Dash: Well, you know, good for her She

wouldn't be very good at the business

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she was in if she didn't have discretion

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Beck: Yeah.

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The, the main guy on the radio

station was a regular, like

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he was there every other day.

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Uh, the, the people that came in

there, you'd be really surprised

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at who, who frequents a porn shop

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Went to the drive-in last night

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Dash: I saw that you watched, um

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Beck: Masters of the Universe

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Dash: Yehaw

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Beck: He- He-Man.

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He-Man was a big, a big guy

in my, in my formative years.

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That was my brother's,

like, favorite army guy.

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Um, it was always He-Man and She-Ra.

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And so his love of He-Man made me

get things that were She-Ra as, you

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know, 'cause you'd get things that

were tangential to your brother

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or sister's favorite things.

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It was … For, for, for the m-

for the genre, it was pretty good.

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I'll give it that.

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There was a lot of suspended disbelief

and, uh, lots of … I mean, but

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they're talking about an alien from

a different planet and talking tigers

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Dash: don't know anything

about He-Man really.

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Watch the show growing up.

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I don't know anything about

She-Ra, any of those things.

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Like, those, those kinds of

cartoons, I missed them somehow

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Beck: The, the highlight of the

movie was Jared Leto as Skeletor.

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You can't even tell it's him.

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It's wild.

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Like, I tried to like, like, like figure

it out, but yeah, it, it w- he, he did

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a great job in that film, I thought.

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I thought he was the

highlight of the, the movie.

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The evil bastard

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Dash: right.

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It's nice to see that, I guess so I

guess, I mean, and I can cut this out

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later if it doesn't work, but we could

talk really quick about those segments

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you know, we're, we're fancy pants now

in, in season two, so we're official.

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Beck: So the, the idea I guess was,

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Dash: to s- and we

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Beck: 'cause

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Dash: about this

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Beck: we talked about before,

like shifting like that back to,

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Dash: or shifting it

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Beck: or shifting-

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Dash: being something we have to come up

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Beck: Okay

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Dash: fly and being pure improv,

and more like something that we can

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incorporate into an episode and then, you

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Beck: to have showed in there

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Dash: it plays out in the next episode

so that there's a little bit more prep

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Beck: That's, that resolve.

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Dash: but I didn't want it to

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Beck: I didn't want it

to be adding more work.

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Dash: so

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Beck: So

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Dash: had ideas like stupid shit

like show and tell, where each of us

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brings a an item that we have, like

a weird item, something unusual, and

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the other has to guess like what it

is or why you have it or what its

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story is, bonus points for creativity.

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or we could each, a

YouTube video that makes

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Beck: Video that makes us

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Dash: and

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Beck: laugh and show it

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Dash: and

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Beck: and

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Dash: to it.

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We could prepare an anecdote of

some kind, uh, on a theme And then,

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you know, we could put m- review a

movie on there so that if it lands

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on that, then that's what we do

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Beck: Okay

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Dash: So I'm making a wheel

that has all these things on it.

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Okay, so I've got show and tell,

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YouTube night a s- a story from social

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book report,

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reading

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Movie review

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Beck: I think they're great

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Dash: I, and I've got like

a word game or trivia or

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do Pictionary or

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it work for

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Uh, so I'm just gonna do trivia/word

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And then,

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I've got joke

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So,

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Beck: So,

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Dash: we land on

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back and

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a,

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f- a

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And then finally I've got anecdote.

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So for anecdote and movie review,

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either the movies

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what's it called?

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The theme for the

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Beck: I think those are all great ideas

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Dash: so we'll, B- at the end of

every episode we'll spin and see

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what we're gonna do for the next time

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Beck: Then and see what we gotta do Okay.

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That'll really change things up.

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I think that'll be fun

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Dash: maybe s- uh, like a least a little

10, 15-minute segment that people can

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actually, like, know what's gonna happen

in the next episode, 'cause they never do.

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They just show up and th- assume we're

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Beck: Let's assume we're

gonna entertain this one.

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Let's

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Dash: which is a bold

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Beck: choose a bowl or

think we're entertaining

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Dash: Yehaw Get down.

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Beck: Yehaw

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Dash: I'm so tired of them lately

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Beck: I hear you.

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If I could ship Pita off

to somewhere, I would.

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To like boarding school,

she would be there

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Dash: They have boarding school for dogs.

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Like, you send them off and they get

like beha- you know, training and stuff

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Beck: She has Trazodone that she takes

for stressful situations, and we gave

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it to her last night for the movies.

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And she still was a barker, so it was…

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She's, she's done better on it

before than she did last night.

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So we'll have to figure that out.

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'Cause I wanna go.

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There's several movies coming this

summer, and it's a lot of fun to go, so

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Dash: I would go to the

drive-in if I could.

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That sounds fun.

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I used to go to the one in Corbin a lot

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Beck: We bought a little battery-operated

radio, and then we bought a

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splitter and two sets of earbuds.

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And so we listened to the…

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Because the car keeps turning off

after, like, 15 minutes, and then you

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gotta restart the, you know, the, you

gotta restart the aux or whatever.

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Um, and it's just a pain in the ass.

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You don't wanna listen through your phone.

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You don't wanna listen

through anything like that.

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So we decided to put it directly

in our ears, and we got the

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battery-operated AM/FM radio and

the splitter and two headphones.

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So it cost us, like, 30 bucks to

invest in it, but if we're gonna do

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it all summer, that's really worth

it, and it sounded great last night

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Dash: Eat meth?

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I heard there's a pronoun joke in it

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Beck: He had the, They show his

nameplate, like that he's telling

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you that he's this alien from outer

space or whatever, and he's telling

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you that he's looking for this sword.

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And then you go to his work, and

it's like, uh, Adam Glen, he/him.

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It was, it was funny.

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I noticed that.

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Dash: That is pretty

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' Beck: Cause he tries to

mediate all the way through it.

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Uh, you probably would like it.

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It was a pretty good movie

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And a lot of it is the

imagination of a child.

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Like, some of the main characters are,

like, Ram Head and Fisto 'cause he has a

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big fist, and he's like, "I do not fist

people," like 100 times in the movie.

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There's some funny lines like that

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Dash: It's really becoming apparent

that I know nothing about He-Man.

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Oh man, there's this

YouTube series called Jizz,

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Beck: Yehaw

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Dash: where it's…

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Yeah, it's a guy who, he edited

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Beck: Of course

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Dash: over Jem and the Holograms

episodes, and he was just a gay

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dude who edited, you know, gay

sort of audio or what's it called?

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Dialogue over Jem and the Holograms.

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And he actually became the editor for

the Trixie and Katya Show on YouTube.

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But that, like, I'm more likely

to have seen that version.

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There's, there's, uh, the He-Man version

of the 4 Non Blondes, What's Going On.

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Have you seen that?

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Beck: No

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Dash: that, I'm more likely to

be familiar with what people have

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done to the, a, a popular culture

thing than the, the f- actual thing

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Beck: I am so not up to date on drag

queen culture or, like, all of that.

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I've seen maybe two episodes of

RuPaul's Drag Race in my life, and I

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couldn't tell you anything about them.

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I just … It's so over the top

gay, it is just too much for me.

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It … I know that sounds crazy

being a gay person, but I think

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it's so stereotypical that

sometimes I think it hurts us.

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Um, it gives something p- people something

to negatively speak about in my opinion.

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I think it's a great culture.

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I think there's a lot

of fun to be had in it.

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It's just not for me.

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I'm kind of a prude, I guess

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Dash: well, and stuff like that

actually, like that's the thing that

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people are like most likely to find

respectable, is drag queens on a TV show.

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They're, it's, it's through that m- that

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Beck: Through then

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Dash: of popular culture that straight

people, like the straight world, is

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most likely to tolerate queerness.

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Beck: Right

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Dash: that becomes what they are

most, like they're, they don't,

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they're not gonna know anything about

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Beck: know anything about real

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Dash: queer people

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Beck: queer panic

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Dash: their experiences and their

needs, because what they think of

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when they think of gay is something

like RuPaul's Drag Race, which isn't

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even of real drag, because it's

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Beck: Maybe that's why I don't like it.

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I don't, I don't like reality shows very

much either, so that, that compounds it.

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But I don't like Queer as Folk either.

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I don't like, uh, Queer Eye

for the Straight Guy or just

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Queer Eye as it's now called.

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It's, it's just too over the

top, in your face gay culture,

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like, it feels like a performance

to me, which of course it is.

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Dash: Yehaw

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Beck: feels inauthentic to me, and it,

it, it rubs me the wrong way, and I don't

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like being represented by inauthenticity.

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That's a hard word to say

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Dash: it's a very specific

part of one part of queerness.

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and it's the part that always

gets represented, which is the

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cis gay experience like cis male

gay experience or perspective.

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And something like Queer

Eye is literally that.

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It's literally like them authoring the

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I don't even know.

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one,

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two or three seasons of

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there

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I followed

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am

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individual performers

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whatever they're doing, and I

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them

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and that's where

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like gender

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racial

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and always has been.

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That was the first

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started to

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drag

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drag

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mainland American

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they would be

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But like

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do a

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if it's

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Beck: if

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Dash: I, I, I

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role that

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in a lot of ways

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they're the folk

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a

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a lot

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community's core culture

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that

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But you're not somebody

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has the identities

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thing,

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I could imagine

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very

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Beck: it.

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I think something you have to also

be mindful of when it comes to gay

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media and stuff is we know about

the male gaze, but there's also,

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I think, a heterosexual gaze.

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Because it's well known that straight

women are really into things like

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heated rivalry or, or gay men being

together and things like that.

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: 00:18:40

It's like really a fantasy

for them or whatever it is.

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: 00:18:45

Uh, and so it's not just men consuming

lesbian content, it is wom- straight

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: 00:18:49

women consuming gay male content which

I find really interesting, you know?

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: 00:18:55

Somebody once told-- I know a lesbian who,

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: 00:18:57

Dash: So I know the lead way

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Beck: we talked, years ago we

talked about this, and she liked

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watching male-on-male porn because

she said no women were being hurt.

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: 00:19:06

And I've always thought

about that, you know?

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Dash: Yeah, and there's no like

female degrading or subjectivity.

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: 00:19:13

And like you, you know that

you're not at risk of that.

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: 00:19:15

So like

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Beck: Yeah

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Dash: you go in and…

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: 00:19:19

I had a kid, one of my students

who transitioned we were talking

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about You know, orientation,

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: 00:19:29

a

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were living in a,

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And i-

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there's quite a

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: 00:19:46

trans men in

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: 00:19:49

to

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never

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: 00:19:54

before.

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: 00:19:56

said that

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d- dating a man

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a man,

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: 00:20:06

as

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: 00:20:08

Like, you're

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: 00:20:09

have to

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: 00:20:11

those

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: 00:20:15

things that straight

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: 00:20:18

I was like, "Huh, well

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: 00:20:19

Beck: That makes a lot of sense

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Dash: he said it doesn't feel as degrading

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or

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that I'm one of

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Okay.

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: 00:20:30

Fascinating

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Beck: That is fascinating

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: 00:20:32

Dash: Which Makes me wonder, like,

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: 00:20:34

then

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speculative.

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: 00:20:49

guess the,

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: 00:20:53

heterosexism, compulsory

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role it

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be seen

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Beck: Yeah.

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: 00:21:11

You know, as somebody who identifies

as a lesbian and for a long time, there

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: 00:21:15

have absolutely been men that I have been

attracted to in the last 30 years, right?

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: 00:21:20

But I would never initiate a

relationship with a man because

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I just can't even imagine having

a conversation with one more than

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twice, you know for the most part.

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: 00:21:31

so I don't think, I, I think the Kin-

when you think of the Kinsey scale and

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: 00:21:34

things like that, I think that's the

best way to look at it, that, you know,

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: 00:21:37

it's a spectrum and your emotional

attraction is different than your physical

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: 00:21:42

attraction, uh, which is different

than your romantic attraction, right?

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: 00:21:47

There's all kinds of different ways

that you can be attracted to somebody.

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: 00:21:50

And I, I don't think that you can

separate them out very, very much.

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: 00:21:54

but yeah, I think that as a lesbian it's

totally normal 'cause I have human eyes.

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: 00:21:58

I can look and see, like Shemar Moore from

Criminal Minds is a beautiful human being,

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: 00:22:03

and even as a lesbian I would lick his

abs because he is just beautiful, right?

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: 00:22:07

Like, so you have people like that,

but I'm still as queer as they come.

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: 00:22:11

So I, I don't know what you would call me

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: 00:22:14

Dash: Yeah.

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: 00:22:14

Well, and, and fucking attraction is

not, it's not the laws of physics, right?

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: 00:22:19

It's, it, they, there's no like, "Oh,

I felt an attraction to this person,

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: 00:22:24

now I have to change how I identify."

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: 00:22:25

Like, even identity is

ki- it's made up, you

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: 00:22:28

Beck: Yehaw

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: 00:22:29

Dash: what, what do we need to

do and say to have the experience

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: 00:22:32

we want to have out of life?

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: 00:22:34

And that's, that's kind of

the, the nuts and bolts of it.

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: 00:22:37

And, you know, when it comes to

men, like, you know, a, a broken

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: 00:22:41

clock can be right twice a day.

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: 00:22:43

know, some of them are fine.

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: 00:22:45

And the, all this comes from

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: 00:22:46

like

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: 00:22:46

Beck: It all just comes

from like thinking that

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: 00:22:48

Dash: and gender are so concrete

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: 00:22:51

Beck: They're anything but

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: 00:22:52

When you take one of my classes,

especially in women's studies, if

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: 00:22:56

you leave w- if you take women's

studies, you're gonna learn that gender

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: 00:22:59

and race are socially constructed.

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: 00:23:01

Um, and if you take my ethnic

studies class, you're gonna learn

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: 00:23:03

that race, and then as by way of

example, gender is also, you know,

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: 00:23:08

you're gonna learn it either way.

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: 00:23:09

So it's a, it's a big point.

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: 00:23:12

And I think it really opens people

up to the idea that maybe there isn't

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: 00:23:16

just one way to be, and I think that's

a good lesson for kids to learn.

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: 00:23:21

I call them kids and they're 18, 19

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: 00:23:23

Dash: Good lesson for kids to learn.

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: 00:23:24

I do too, and I've gotta,

I've gotta stop it.

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: 00:23:25

But the, the whole social

construct thing, I think people are

526

: 00:23:30

distressed by that idea at first.

527

: 00:23:34

I'm trying to put myself in the shoes

of someone who finds that upsetting.

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: 00:23:38

Because

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: 00:23:40

because there's no good goddamn reason for

some of the ways we have to be , right?

530

: 00:23:45

There's, like, no good excuse

for something like inequality

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: 00:23:50

between genders or sexes.

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: 00:23:53

There's no good excuse for

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: 00:23:56

the

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: 00:23:59

like,

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: 00:23:59

on the other hand, you

536

: 00:24:02

what they

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: 00:24:06

Yeah, but made

538

: 00:24:09

made up means made by us.

539

: 00:24:12

constructed means made by a society.

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: 00:24:17

through its

541

: 00:24:19

about

542

: 00:24:21

the, the horrifying part

543

: 00:24:34

Beck: The way that I explain it in

class is I start off by saying, "How

544

: 00:24:38

many of you would think I am crazy

if I said Canada is imaginary?"

545

: 00:24:43

And I get some laughs, right?

546

: 00:24:44

And I'm like, "But it absolutely is."

547

: 00:24:46

I was like, "What would happen if

an alien came down and zap, all

548

: 00:24:50

of the humans disappeared," right?

549

: 00:24:52

What would happen to the boundary

between Canada and the United States?

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: 00:24:56

It would physically still be there,

but the representation of, oh, this is

551

: 00:25:00

Canada, and oh, this is the United States,

those ideas are only ideas because we

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: 00:25:05

agree as a people to share those ideas.

553

: 00:25:08

You know, it's like money.

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: 00:25:09

Just because we give

it value, it has value.

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: 00:25:12

And people really seem to, to

understand that, that it exists and

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: 00:25:16

it's real, but it's 100% made up.

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: 00:25:18

Because, you know, your, your boundary

of the state of Ohio, people did that.

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: 00:25:22

Like we just agree it's a, it's

a mass agreement that, that

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: 00:25:25

it's a, it's a fact, right?

560

: 00:25:27

But it's really not.

561

: 00:25:28

It's just a, a piece of land that's

sitting there, and we put all kinds

562

: 00:25:31

of meaning and attach meaning to it.

563

: 00:25:34

They seem to do a good job with that, so

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: 00:25:36

Dash: Yeah, if you can, if you can apply

it to something that has been somehow

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: 00:25:40

less politicized, kind of wild that actual

literal borders have been less politicized

566

: 00:25:46

than something like race or gender

567

: 00:25:48

Beck: You gotta, the only word I can

think of is pussyfoot around, like a

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: 00:25:52

lot of the, the, the stuff you have to,

like you have to make se- I say several

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: 00:25:57

times a semester when I have white

men in my class, I say, "Just remember

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: 00:26:01

we're not trying to make white men

the villain in this scenario," right?

571

: 00:26:04

We're talking about, as we agreed as

a class, white men are the dominant

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: 00:26:08

paradigm in American culture,

just like if we were in Japanese,

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: 00:26:11

it would be Japanese men, right?

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: 00:26:13

We're in America, so white men are

the dominant paradigm, and they

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: 00:26:16

get all of this power simply for

being born into that demographic.

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: 00:26:22

And it's important to understand how

that power is distributed, right?

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: 00:26:27

And, and that's where we, that's

how we understand race and gender

578

: 00:26:31

as, as distributions of power, um,

and equal distributions of power.

579

: 00:26:36

And I think it's a, a really

good way to, to look at it.

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: 00:26:39

Dash: Th- like, this issue we're having

with the evangelical conservative

581

: 00:26:44

Republican thing is c- I think i- it's

a misunderstanding, but it's also an

582

: 00:26:56

what Judeo-Christian

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: 00:26:58

means.

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: 00:26:59

and I've taught, like,

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: 00:27:02

and culture, it's like

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: 00:27:06

who all agree

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: 00:27:07

about n- their socially

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: 00:27:10

culture is

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: 00:27:12

so

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: 00:27:15

West

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: 00:27:16

or

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: 00:27:17

white, Western

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: 00:27:20

you need to

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: 00:27:23

here,

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: 00:27:27

we're

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: 00:27:28

mean

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: 00:27:33

doesn't

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: 00:27:38

is

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: 00:27:42

if

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: 00:27:45

at

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: 00:27:46

being

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: 00:27:49

believe

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: 00:27:51

I know

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: 00:27:55

it is sort of

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: 00:27:58

of our, of a,

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: 00:28:02

because we

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: 00:28:03

Beck: Just because we are

all literally affected by

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: 00:28:05

Dash: we need to, to appeal to

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: 00:28:07

Beck: to appeal to it, that that

actually should be our whole life.

610

: 00:28:10

Dash: of

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: 00:28:10

Beck: That's definitely

the right side, obviously.

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: 00:28:12

Yeah.

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: 00:28:13

Dash: you

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: 00:28:13

Beck: But you cannot

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: 00:28:15

Dash: about

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: 00:28:16

Beck: disagree about something.

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: 00:28:17

Here's the thing

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: 00:28:17

Dash: Y- we wouldn't be able to

619

: 00:28:18

Beck: We wouldn't be able to argue about

it or disagree with it if it didn't

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: 00:28:21

Dash: all

621

: 00:28:22

Beck: follow any of those.

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: 00:28:22

So, and

623

: 00:28:23

Dash: So l- like your example

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: 00:28:25

Beck: like your example with the aliens.

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: 00:28:27

Dash: wouldn't

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: 00:28:27

Beck: An alien would find out that they're

627

: 00:28:29

Dash: God is

628

: 00:28:30

Beck: completely insane.

629

: 00:28:30

Dash: because they

630

: 00:28:31

Beck: They

631

: 00:28:31

Dash: know what I'm

632

: 00:28:32

Beck: don't know what I'm talking about.

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: 00:28:33

They don't believe it because

they aren't living it.

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: 00:28:33

They rely on sources of information.

635

: 00:28:34

Right.

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: 00:28:34

I watched a really good movie this

week in my procrastination called

637

: 00:28:34

You Can Live Forever, I think

638

: 00:28:35

Dash: because they aren't

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: 00:28:35

Beck: is

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: 00:28:36

Dash: dictate their lives the way we are.

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: 00:28:45

Beck: the name of it.

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: 00:28:46

Um, it was a lesbian movie, two young

girls, high school age and they are

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: 00:28:50

in the, uh, Jehovah's Witnesses.

644

: 00:28:53

And I learned a lot about the

Jehovah's Witness sect from watching

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: 00:28:57

that movie that I didn't know.

646

: 00:28:58

Um, just little things some

of it has already escaped me.

647

: 00:29:01

Um, but the, the fact that they say

they belong to the truth if they're

648

: 00:29:05

part of the congregation that she

got in trouble for having a birthday,

649

: 00:29:09

for example, that was a big deal.

650

: 00:29:11

And like you said, I th- where

religion is so socially constructed,

651

: 00:29:15

it's what people understand about.

652

: 00:29:17

Like the whole birthday thing, her and her

friend who was not a Jehovah's Witness,

653

: 00:29:21

all he did was buy her a piece of cake in

a diner for her birthday, and everybody in

654

: 00:29:25

her church got really mad about it, right?

655

: 00:29:28

That is some socially

constructed nonsense.

656

: 00:29:30

That's, that's what we're talking about.

657

: 00:29:32

It's their religion and really important

to them, and I think that's one of

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: 00:29:35

the only things that most people

know about Jehovah's Witnesses is

659

: 00:29:38

they don't, they don't like holidays.

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: 00:29:40

I don't understand why.

661

: 00:29:41

I just know that they don't.

662

: 00:29:42

I think that they consider them

pagan or satanic or something.

663

: 00:29:46

I don't know.

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: 00:29:47

Dash: It could be like idolatry

665

: 00:29:49

Beck: Yeah.

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: 00:29:50

I know when I worked at Amazon, um,

I was on what was called the, uh,

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: 00:29:53

attrition, retention, and morale

committee, the ARM committee, and we

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: 00:29:58

helped sponsor, uh, decorations all

over the site for different holidays.

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: 00:30:02

And we had one girl who was a

Jehovah's Witness, and for her

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: 00:30:05

team, they just didn't decorate,

and it was really a downer.

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: 00:30:08

I just can't imagine forcing my religion

on a whole group of people like that.

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: 00:30:13

Like, you can't exist around Halloween?

673

: 00:30:16

Like, this, this, this drawing of

a ghost is really gonna affect you?

674

: 00:30:20

Like, it just…

675

: 00:30:21

I don't, I don't know.

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: 00:30:22

Maybe it's because I'm not a religious

person and I don't understand that.

677

: 00:30:25

If I'm wrong, somebody please correct me.

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: 00:30:27

Dash: I think of the, the fundamental

things about religion is that

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: 00:30:31

you can't have a, sense of play

or humor or anything like that.

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: 00:30:36

Like, everybody fucking

celebrates Christmas.

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: 00:30:39

People who don't believe in Christian-

like, white people who don't believe in

682

: 00:30:42

Christianity, and literal members of other

religions, right, celebrate Christmas.

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: 00:30:46

They manage to find a way to have fun, to

make something good out of Christmas that

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: 00:30:50

is the religious holiday that, that they

don't celebrate, you know, for like, say,

685

: 00:30:55

like Jews or Muslims or Sikhs or whoever.

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: 00:30:58

But zealots aren't gonna do that.

687

: 00:31:01

Zealots can't find the fun in

anything that isn't their own story.

688

: 00:31:06

just Googled it, and Jehovah's Witnesses

don't celebrate certain holidays.

689

: 00:31:10

We were both right, because it may

have pagan roots, or it promotes the

690

: 00:31:15

worship of entities above Jehovah

I don't know anything about them.

691

: 00:31:19

I, my, one of my friend's parents

were JWs, and whenever I was over

692

: 00:31:24

at his house, they would have, like,

their Watchtower magazines and stuff.

693

: 00:31:27

They were the 144,000 people, right?

694

: 00:31:30

Beck: No, that's the Mormons.

695

: 00:31:31

I'm pretty sure

696

: 00:31:32

Dash: No.

697

: 00:31:33

Jehovah's Witnesses, but

maybe it's Mormons too.

698

: 00:31:36

But yeah, Jehovah's Witnesses believe

that exactly 144,000 faithful Christians

699

: 00:31:41

will be resurrected to heaven.

700

: 00:31:44

I'm gonna ask

701

: 00:31:45

Beck: Such a specific number

702

: 00:31:47

Dash: I know, right?

703

: 00:31:49

Okay, no, Mormons is not 144,000

But it i- there is a restriction

704

: 00:31:54

though, it's just not that number.

705

: 00:31:56

So yeah, that was, that's one

of the few things I remember.

706

: 00:31:58

It was like, okay, so y'all

have to like rouchambeau for it?

707

: 00:32:02

We standing outside the pearly

gates playing rock, paper, scissors?

708

: 00:32:06

Beck: My luck, I'd be 144,001

709

: 00:32:09

Dash: Yeah.

710

: 00:32:10

Like, is that supposed to make

me want to join your religion?

711

: 00:32:13

Because it doesn't.

712

: 00:32:15

assume there's already been that

many people died in the world,

713

: 00:32:20

in the history of the world.

714

: 00:32:22

Beck: Like, the, the ideology presented

in the movie suggested that they

715

: 00:32:25

believe that there's going to be a

large war of some kind, and there's

716

: 00:32:28

gonna be a new what they call system

afterwards, um, a new organization

717

: 00:32:33

of culture and society, I guess.

718

: 00:32:35

Um, and that everyone that had

ever died will come back to life

719

: 00:32:38

and be pain-free and live happily.

720

: 00:32:42

I didn't know that was their belief.

721

: 00:32:44

Like I said, I learned a lot about

the Jehovah's Witnesses by watching,

722

: 00:32:47

you know, an hour and a half movie.

723

: 00:32:48

Things I hadn't … I didn't even

know what I didn't know, you know?

724

: 00:32:51

It's one of those things.

725

: 00:32:52

There's … I didn't even

know what I didn't know

726

: 00:32:55

Dash: So there's, all right,

it's- they've got two classes.

727

: 00:32:59

It's called the two classes of the saved.

728

: 00:33:01

So that's the 144,000, are considered

spiritual Israelites who have

729

: 00:33:08

the heavenly hope of reigning

over the universe from heaven.

730

: 00:33:12

Wow, so they become God?

731

: 00:33:15

And then there's the great crowd

or the other sheep, an innumerable

732

: 00:33:20

ever-growing group of faithful

followers who have the earthly hope.

733

: 00:33:23

After surviving Armageddon, they will live

forever in a restored physical paradise

734

: 00:33:27

on Earth ruled over by Jesus and the

144,000 in heaven So if you're a believer,

735

: 00:33:32

then you get to stay on Earth forever.

736

: 00:33:35

You become immortal on

Earth after Armageddon.

737

: 00:33:37

That sounds like a punishment to me

738

: 00:33:39

Beck: Yeah.

739

: 00:33:40

One thing I did notice was the hymns

because they show them being in, in

740

: 00:33:44

their, I don't know if you call it

temple or, or, or what you call it,

741

: 00:33:48

um, in their religious gathering.

742

: 00:33:50

And the songs were just

so dead on their religion.

743

: 00:33:54

Like, "We believe that Jehovah is

the, the leader of our 144,000."

744

: 00:34:02

Like, it was

745

: 00:34:04

Dash: Oh,

746

: 00:34:04

Beck: There was … Yeah, it,

it was hilarious in my opinion.

747

: 00:34:08

Dash: Written by ChatGPT.

748

: 00:34:10

Beck: Yeah funny

749

: 00:34:20

Dash: This, I don't know if this is true.

750

: 00:34:22

I was about to, I'm gonna say it and then

I'm gonna Google it and see if it's true.

751

: 00:34:25

I think that there are 55,000

denominations of Christianity in America

752

: 00:34:31

Beck: Wow

753

: 00:34:33

' Dash: Cause we just

754

: 00:34:34

Beck: That would be

over 1,000 in each state

755

: 00:34:36

Dash: 45,000 So there are 45,000

Christian denominations due to

756

: 00:34:44

schisms and splintering of Protestant

beliefs Which is crazy to me

757

: 00:34:50

Beck: That's a lot of,

758

: 00:34:52

acid plates

759

: 00:34:53

Dash: everything I find out about this

stuff makes me more suspicious of it

760

: 00:34:58

Beck: Yeah.

761

: 00:34:59

I'm with you.

762

: 00:35:00

Like I've said before, I wish I

could give myself to some higher

763

: 00:35:03

belief, but I'm too suspicious

764

: 00:35:06

So many kisses I'm getting over here.

765

: 00:35:09

Hi.

766

: 00:35:10

Rue's just handing out kisses

left and right over here

767

: 00:35:13

Dash: Mine are awfully cuddly.

768

: 00:35:14

It's because it's hot.

769

: 00:35:15

I don't know why they

wanna cuddle when it's hot

770

: 00:35:17

Beck: Yeah.

771

: 00:35:18

Our apartment does not directly

face the sun so we are able to

772

: 00:35:22

keep it pretty cool in here.

773

: 00:35:23

Plus it's always cooler

here than everywhere else.

774

: 00:35:26

So we keep it at 68

775

: 00:35:28

Dash: I went down a a kind of rabbit

hole looking up this week's sponsor.

776

: 00:35:33

But I found a Reddit thread

called Puttin' On Airs, which I

777

: 00:35:39

don't know anything else about.

778

: 00:35:40

Or this Reddit is ca- this sub is called

Puttin' On Airs, but the thread on it is

779

: 00:35:44

basically the question is, "What's the

most redneck thing you've ever done?"

780

: 00:35:51

so I just, like, was sitting here

reading this whole thread, and some

781

: 00:35:53

of them, you know, they're just

kind of relatable, funny things.

782

: 00:35:56

Re- a lot of them are But, uh, so

like this person, "I fisted a steer."

783

: 00:36:01

Beck: I once did it on a four-wheeler.

784

: 00:36:04

Dash: Oh, nice.

785

: 00:36:06

But this one here, like you ever

like read the thing, like you're

786

: 00:36:09

scrolling on TikTok or something or on

social media, and you read the thing

787

: 00:36:12

and you're like, "Okay, that's it.

788

: 00:36:14

I have to close the tab and go

do something," because that's

789

: 00:36:16

the funniest thing I'll see, in

this session of doom scrolling.

790

: 00:36:19

And so this person said, "We were doing

some work for this stupid rich guy

791

: 00:36:23

in Mississippi a giraffe and a zebra.

792

: 00:36:26

The, the giraffe got into the zebra's

yard and kept trying to fuck it.

793

: 00:36:30

We had to use four-wheelers and an air

horn to scare the giraffe back into its

794

: 00:36:36

yard so it wouldn't butt fuck the zebra."

795

: 00:36:41

Yeah, that is pretty redneck

796

: 00:36:43

Beck: Have you ever run from the law?

797

: 00:36:45

Dash: Yes.

798

: 00:36:46

I've

799

: 00:36:48

on here though.

800

: 00:36:49

It was with the potato gun

801

: 00:36:51

Beck: Oh, yeah.

802

: 00:36:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah, behind the bingo hall.

803

: 00:36:54

One time we were coming through

Ironton, Ohio, uh, and Hanging Rock,

804

: 00:36:58

which is the little right beside it.

805

: 00:37:00

Um, and it's, Hanging Rock is

known, just the cops get…

806

: 00:37:04

You go 55 through there.

807

: 00:37:05

You know, you don't speed through there.

808

: 00:37:07

And we were, we were enjoying some,

some herbal refreshments and driving

809

: 00:37:12

down through there, and a cop sees

us, and I'm speeding of course, and he

810

: 00:37:17

flips around and comes following us.

811

: 00:37:19

So I take the exit, and I saw a little,

like, driveway, so I pulled up in

812

: 00:37:24

this driveway of this off-the-road

little church, and we saw the cop

813

: 00:37:28

fly right past us on that road.

814

: 00:37:30

So he was following us, and we got

away in that little churchyard.

815

: 00:37:32

We turned around, went back the other

direction and got the hell out of there.

816

: 00:37:35

Um, that's the only time I

actively ran from the cops

817

: 00:37:38

Dash: That time is the only one

I can remember in a vehicle.

818

: 00:37:43

We used to, like rollerblading

was big when I was in high school,

819

: 00:37:48

in middle school and high school.

820

: 00:37:50

And the kids at Williamsburg some of

them were that skater kid type of thing.

821

: 00:37:56

And so I did that for a little while,

and we would go and skate places.

822

: 00:38:01

This was back when, and I-

maybe they still do this.

823

: 00:38:04

Kids, if you're a skater now, like, are

there still signs everywhere that say

824

: 00:38:07

no rollerblading or skateboarding on s-

in sidewalks and parking lots and stuff?

825

: 00:38:12

But there were back then, and so

we were s- we would go skating on

826

: 00:38:16

the Cumberland College, campus.

827

: 00:38:19

It's University of the Cumberlands now,

but back then it was Cumberland College.

828

: 00:38:22

And they would chase us all over

that, uh, campus, but I don't…

829

: 00:38:27

Like, there's that separation because

they weren't real police, and so, like, if

830

: 00:38:31

Beck: Right

831

: 00:38:31

Dash: on campus, they could, they could

try to get us, and if they did, they

832

: 00:38:35

could call the police, but they couldn't

call them until we left like that.

833

: 00:38:42

And so, like, we would leave campus,

take them off, and then, like,

834

: 00:38:45

run to whoever's car and leave.

835

: 00:38:47

And, like, stuff like that,

like, we used to really…

836

: 00:38:50

We would go through that campus and,

like, gun the engine and, like, blow

837

: 00:38:54

smoke and try to wake everybody up.

838

: 00:38:56

Like, we were total dicks to that college.

839

: 00:38:58

And they were right across the

street from our high school, so

840

: 00:39:00

they just had no defense against us

841

: 00:39:03

Beck: The police at the universities,

they really don't have a lot of power,

842

: 00:39:06

which, um, I'm on … I follow a lot

of random pages on, on the internet,

843

: 00:39:10

and one of them on Facebook is a parent

page for the university, which I find

844

: 00:39:15

interesting because they always have

answers to questions and things I

845

: 00:39:19

hadn't thought of before, and it keeps

me up to date on what's happening

846

: 00:39:22

with students and things like that.

847

: 00:39:24

and they'll be like, "I

don't know where to park.

848

: 00:39:26

There's no parking.

849

: 00:39:27

We have to park so far away."

850

: 00:39:28

I'm like, "Unless your car is actually

registered to your student, park wherever

851

: 00:39:33

the fuck you want because they can

ticket you and there's nothing y- th-

852

: 00:39:37

it, it doesn't go into the Ohio system.

853

: 00:39:39

It's just a campus ticket."

854

: 00:39:41

I mean, if you get enough of them,

you could get a boot or whatever, but

855

: 00:39:44

if you're just do- on, on moving in

day, just park there for 10 minutes.

856

: 00:39:48

You know what I mean?

857

: 00:39:49

Like

858

: 00:39:50

Dash: Well, and most campuses,

like they have a system for dealing

859

: 00:39:54

with parking on move-in day.

860

: 00:39:56

Like

861

: 00:39:56

Beck: Yehaw

862

: 00:39:56

Dash: campuses that have an actual number

of students coming in, w- the whole

863

: 00:40:01

every fucking staff member on campus had

to, to sign up for at least one shift

864

: 00:40:05

of move-in day, and we w- would, you

know, "Here you've got, here's your…"

865

: 00:40:09

They would- the parents would have

to sign up for a 15-minute slot.

866

: 00:40:12

They could come and park

right in front of the door.

867

: 00:40:14

was at EKU.

868

: 00:40:15

They had the best system I've ever seen.

869

: 00:40:16

Beck: Sounds like what BG does

870

: 00:40:18

Dash: if you don't park…

871

: 00:40:19

As long as you park in

an actual spot, you know.

872

: 00:40:21

Like if you, if you do something

stupid, like we have called

873

: 00:40:24

people to get towed before because

they blocked something, right?

874

: 00:40:27

They parked somewhere that, that it

isn't even supposed to be any parking.

875

: 00:40:31

Like you'll get towed for that

shit, but yeah, just like you say,

876

: 00:40:33

like these aren't real tickets.

877

: 00:40:36

Beck: Yehaw

878

: 00:40:37

Dash: like fa- faculty and staff are

more likely to get a ticket than you.

879

: 00:40:42

Beck: Yeah.

880

: 00:40:43

Well, and there would be some

incentive to pay it if you're

881

: 00:40:45

faculty, you know what I mean?

882

: 00:40:46

Because your car is gonna be on campus

a lot, and if you ev- don't pay it,

883

: 00:40:49

you're eventually gonna have it come

off your Bursar bill, or they're gonna

884

: 00:40:53

get their money one way or the other.

885

: 00:40:54

You know what I mean?

886

: 00:40:55

But if you are just somebody who

doesn't have any connection to the

887

: 00:40:59

college besides your kid, and if

your tags aren't, like, connected

888

: 00:41:02

to that kid, do whatever you want.

889

: 00:41:05

They're not gonna … There's

no repercussions whatsoever.

890

: 00:41:08

You know, you might get towed if

you park at a really shitty place,

891

: 00:41:11

but, I mean, just be res- be

respectful and you're gonna be fine.

892

: 00:41:15

I just don't understand people who, who

won't bend little rules here and there

893

: 00:41:19

on things that have no consequence.

894

: 00:41:21

One time I was driving

with a friend in my car,

895

: 00:41:24

Dash: a

896

: 00:41:24

Beck: and I don't know if you

remember the PNC Bank in BG.

897

: 00:41:27

Um, it has an, one side an entrance

and one side an exit, and the exit

898

: 00:41:31

side has two parking spots there.

899

: 00:41:33

And if you're coming down, uh, Main

Street and you pull in the exit,

900

: 00:41:37

you can pull right into that parking

spot and it's not a big deal, right?

901

: 00:41:40

But my friend freaked out because I

went in the exit, and he was like,

902

: 00:41:44

"You can't do that," and blah, blah.

903

: 00:41:45

I was like, "Dude, it's fine.

904

: 00:41:47

There was nobody even

in the drive-through."

905

: 00:41:48

You know?

906

: 00:41:49

Like, uh, it doesn't hurt anything.

907

: 00:41:52

I don't understand people who can't

be flexible, I guess is my point

908

: 00:41:55

Dash: Yeah.

909

: 00:41:55

Like moral, moral rigidity is, that

should, that should only exist in

910

: 00:42:00

some really extreme situations I

found out that, I think this was

911

: 00:42:06

the ca- well, I, this was the case

at two universities I've worked at.

912

: 00:42:09

If you call public safety for something,

they're gonna check for warrants.

913

: 00:42:14

We

914

: 00:42:14

Beck: Oh, wow

915

: 00:42:15

Dash: way at, at orientation at EKU.

916

: 00:42:18

A student, somebody, I

don't know what happened.

917

: 00:42:20

They locked their keys in their

car or something like that, and we

918

: 00:42:23

called public safety, and they ran

them for warrants, and they had one.

919

: 00:42:26

Beck: Oh.

920

: 00:42:27

Dash: this kid came to

orientation, and their m- parent

921

: 00:42:31

or whoever got, went to jail.

922

: 00:42:33

Beck: That's crazy

923

: 00:42:35

Dash: Yeah.

924

: 00:42:35

Let's, let's listen, let's hear from

this week's sponsor, and then I'll

925

: 00:42:38

tell you why I was looking it up,

'cause I found some other fun stuff.

926

: 00:42:43

this week's episode of Queernecks

is brought to you by topix.net.

927

: 00:42:48

This website started out with

noble intentions, trying to be a

928

: 00:42:51

respectable aggregator for local

news and community announcements.

929

: 00:42:55

Then the founders gave the fine people

of the rural working class an anonymous

930

: 00:42:59

forum in every single zip code in

America, and it instantly turned into

931

: 00:43:03

the information gossip superhighway.

932

: 00:43:06

Back when Facebook was only for

college kids and long before

933

: 00:43:08

Nextdoor, topix was the place where

small town civility went to die.

934

: 00:43:12

It was a digital map of the country

where nobody had to sign their name,

935

: 00:43:15

creating a modern-day telephone party

line fueled by pure, unadulterated

936

: 00:43:19

malice and dial-up internet.

937

: 00:43:21

When you logged into your local topix

page, you skipped the news articles

938

: 00:43:25

entirely and went straight to the forums.

939

: 00:43:27

You were looking at a wall of text

where people accused their neighbors

940

: 00:43:30

of stealing lawnmowers, exposed who

was cheating on who behind the car

941

: 00:43:33

wash, detailed exactly which local high

school football coach was allegedly

942

: 00:43:37

running a pill clinic out of his garage.

943

: 00:43:40

It was a beautiful, terrifying wasteland

of defamation, where the local sheriff

944

: 00:43:44

spent half his shift trying to figure out

who Hollerboy88 actually was in real life.

945

: 00:43:49

And for the queer kids trying

to survive the mid-: 2000

946

: 00:43:52

was a but educational ecosystem.

947

: 00:43:55

It was a place where people

weaponized rumor, but it was also

948

: 00:43:58

the first place you saw proof that

the town was deeply obsessed with

949

: 00:44:01

what happened behind closed doors.

950

: 00:44:03

learned how to read between the lines of

the local slander just to figure out who

951

: 00:44:06

else might be flying under the radar.

952

: 00:44:09

This was a master class in human nature,

and it proved that if you give a small

953

: 00:44:12

town resident a username like Guest304

and a blank text box, they will drop a

954

: 00:44:17

piece of information that will divide

a local church congregation into three

955

: 00:44:21

separate factions by Sunday morning.

956

: 00:44:23

So topix, the now-defunct digital

raveyard where the grudges of: 2008

957

: 00:44:27

are preserved in amber forever.

958

: 00:44:29

And now, back to Queernecks, where we

are still trying to undo the reputational

959

: 00:44:33

damage caused by an anonymous thread

from our sophomore year of high school

960

: 00:44:39

Beck: That was a great one

961

: 00:44:40

Dash: Did you, did, uh, you

have a p- topix where you were

962

: 00:44:43

Beck: Oh yeah, there

were topixes everywhere.

963

: 00:44:45

Um, I was in Huntington at that point.

964

: 00:44:48

Yeah, there was topix.

965

: 00:44:50

That's when I moved from Huntington

to Cincinnati, or to Hamilton

966

: 00:44:53

and there was one there too.

967

: 00:44:54

They were wild

968

: 00:44:55

Dash: Yeah.

969

: 00:44:56

I used to haunt one of this dude

who was so fascinatingly weird.

970

: 00:45:02

He, he was this guy who thought that

he was entitled a beautiful girlfriend

971

: 00:45:08

because, uh, his dad was rich.

972

: 00:45:11

He would just come out and say this stuff,

and he wasn't trolling, that's the thing,

973

: 00:45:13

because I- we had a mutual in real life.

974

: 00:45:16

And people would come on there to

call him stupid and tell him he didn't

975

: 00:45:20

know what he was talking about, and

he would just argue with them all day.

976

: 00:45:22

And, and finally I was like,

"This is this man's life."

977

: 00:45:25

he had a public Facebook.

978

: 00:45:26

He still has a public Facebook,

and occasionally I'll just go and

979

: 00:45:29

look and see what he's up to, and

he's, he's posted on there a couple

980

: 00:45:32

times, "I miss the old topix site."

981

: 00:45:37

I bet you do.

982

: 00:45:38

That was all you did.

983

: 00:45:41

meth

984

: 00:45:42

Beck: the one in Portsmouth, they

had a, uh, uh, somebody posted a

985

: 00:45:45

question, "Do you think Jonas is gay?"

986

: 00:45:48

And, like, God love his soul, Jonas

was one of those people that you

987

: 00:45:52

could see was gay from 100 paces.

988

: 00:45:54

You know?

989

: 00:45:54

Like, the way he moved, the way

he did his hair, the way he spoke,

990

: 00:45:59

the way he moved his hands, the

way he dressed, the way he walked.

991

: 00:46:02

Like, everything about him just screamed

queer, and it just, it made me laugh

992

: 00:46:07

then, and it still makes me laugh now.

993

: 00:46:09

Who was so confused that they

didn't know that Jonas was gay?

994

: 00:46:14

Like

995

: 00:46:15

Dash: They had to make

a topix forum about it.

996

: 00:46:17

Beck: Yeah.

997

: 00:46:18

Like, no shit he's gay.

998

: 00:46:19

Like, you know what I mean?

999

: 00:46:21

your gaydar is so bad

: 1000

00:46:24,078 --> 00:46:28,848

Dash: Yeah, I, I mean, and were never

any about me because I wasn't from there.

: 1001

00:46:29,128 --> 00:46:33,598

But the I don't know if it was a

Williamsburg one or Corbin, was a thread

: 1002

00:46:33,598 --> 00:46:38,338

about, or there was a forum about David

after he died, and I was like, "All right,

: 1003

00:46:38,378 --> 00:46:40,278

I'm just not gonna be on topix anymore."

: 1004

00:46:40,778 --> 00:46:44,978

But it got taken down because people

did sue it for defamation, and topix

: 1005

00:46:44,998 --> 00:46:49,068

had to actually give up the IP addresses

of people who participated in a

: 1006

00:46:49,098 --> 00:46:52,068

thread, defaming this couple that sued.

: 1007

00:46:52,688 --> 00:46:55,028

And so Top- that's where topix went.

: 1008

00:46:55,338 --> 00:46:56,888

They, they, like, got shut down.

: 1009

00:46:57,018 --> 00:46:59,208

But you can still go and look

at some of the old forums on the

: 1010

00:46:59,208 --> 00:47:03,318

WayBack Machine, which is what I was

doing I found that redneck thread

: 1011

00:47:03,818 --> 00:47:06,238

Beck: The Internet Graveyard

is an interesting place

: 1012

00:47:06,798 --> 00:47:11,028

Dash: I like to watch YouTube videos

or like icebergs about weird defunct

: 1013

00:47:11,038 --> 00:47:14,428

sites or things like that, like

the forgotten things of the early

: 1014

00:47:20,355 --> 00:47:23,435

Beck: Do you, did you ever see the

videos from that Matty McTech guy

: 1015

00:47:23,435 --> 00:47:26,755

that says, "Here's an interesting

website you didn't know about"?

: 1016

00:47:27,031 --> 00:47:31,462

did one the other day called Drive

and Listen, like driveandlisten.com.

: 1017

00:47:32,042 --> 00:47:36,932

Um, basically you can Google Maps

hop, um, and drive through traffic

: 1018

00:47:36,942 --> 00:47:40,072

through different cities, and while

at the same time you have a whole

: 1019

00:47:40,072 --> 00:47:41,932

list of their local radio stations.

: 1020

00:47:42,232 --> 00:47:45,082

So you can drive around these

cities and listen to their radio

: 1021

00:47:45,082 --> 00:47:46,502

stations all over the world

: 1022

00:47:47,002 --> 00:47:48,742

Dash: Where does he

find all these websites?

: 1023

00:47:49,242 --> 00:47:52,832

Beck: I could find out, but I spent like a

good 45 minutes on that website yesterday.

: 1024

00:47:52,832 --> 00:47:53,512

It was fun

: 1025

00:47:54,012 --> 00:47:56,452

Driving through Hong Kong

listening to Chinese music

: 1026

00:47:56,952 --> 00:47:57,852

Dash: Oh, that's very cool.

: 1027

00:47:58,352 --> 00:48:04,972

There used to be a, a user on TikTok, a

creator from West Virginia would just,

: 1028

00:48:05,763 --> 00:48:09,903

around on Google Maps, get high and

fuck around on Google Maps, and sort

: 1029

00:48:09,903 --> 00:48:12,363

of narrate what she was looking at.

: 1030

00:48:12,623 --> 00:48:15,513

Some of the best content ever,

and listeners, y'all probably

: 1031

00:48:15,513 --> 00:48:16,373

know who I'm talking about.

: 1032

00:48:16,373 --> 00:48:19,893

And her handle was Sinister Pond Babe,

'cause she would call everything…

: 1033

00:48:19,913 --> 00:48:21,403

She's like, "Oh, that's sinister."

: 1034

00:48:21,653 --> 00:48:27,113

And she was a trans woman, so you- she

had that, like, that West Virginia gay

: 1035

00:48:27,463 --> 00:48:32,303

sort of like s- patois is not the right

word because that's specific to a region,

: 1036

00:48:32,303 --> 00:48:34,023

but you know what I'm getting at, right?

: 1037

00:48:34,023 --> 00:48:35,073

Like, the w- just that way

: 1038

00:48:35,110 --> 00:48:35,470

Beck: Right

: 1039

00:48:36,403 --> 00:48:37,593

Dash: I haven't seen her.

: 1040

00:48:37,593 --> 00:48:40,963

I was, I wish she had a YouTube channel so

that I didn't have to just go on TikTok.

: 1041

00:48:41,463 --> 00:48:44,833

if, if you're listening, Sinister

Pond Babe, make a YouTube channel.

: 1042

00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:48,752

Oh, I would die if, if she was

listening to us But she has rules

: 1043

00:48:48,752 --> 00:48:50,062

that, like, she can live at…

: 1044

00:48:50,072 --> 00:48:52,082

There's, like, there's signs you

can live somewhere if it has,

: 1045

00:48:52,082 --> 00:48:53,882

like, a family Mexican restaurant.

: 1046

00:48:54,382 --> 00:48:57,612

She's like, "Any- anywhere that there's

a, a Mexican restaurant, you can be fine

: 1047

00:48:58,112 --> 00:49:00,202

Beck: Well, there's one in Lucasville,

so I don't know about that.

: 1048

00:49:00,202 --> 00:49:01,622

I couldn't live there, man.

: 1049

00:49:01,712 --> 00:49:02,792

It was real hard

: 1050

00:49:02,797 --> 00:49:03,437

Dash: in Morris.

: 1051

00:49:03,937 --> 00:49:04,417

Beck: Yeah.

: 1052

00:49:04,747 --> 00:49:05,567

It's Senora's.

: 1053

00:49:05,627 --> 00:49:06,607

And they were pretty good.

: 1054

00:49:06,607 --> 00:49:07,097

We ate there.

: 1055

00:49:07,097 --> 00:49:09,477

We ate talk- we ate take out

quite more often than we ate

: 1056

00:49:09,507 --> 00:49:10,737

in the actual restaurant.

: 1057

00:49:11,197 --> 00:49:13,297

But Lucasville is growing

by leaps and bounds.

: 1058

00:49:13,617 --> 00:49:17,987

They put in a, um, a, a

highway that is a byway.

: 1059

00:49:18,337 --> 00:49:21,217

It basically diverts you

completely around Portsmouth.

: 1060

00:49:21,487 --> 00:49:24,877

It used to be you would go down 23

straight down from Columbus in a straight

: 1061

00:49:24,877 --> 00:49:29,167

line, and then you would basically

make a left, um, at the Ohio River,

: 1062

00:49:29,167 --> 00:49:32,167

and then you could go to Huntington or

Ironton or all the way up through there.

: 1063

00:49:32,477 --> 00:49:36,257

And instead of doing that, they

now have a cut between where you

: 1064

00:49:36,257 --> 00:49:38,297

go from Lucasville to Wheelersburg.

: 1065

00:49:38,607 --> 00:49:42,207

Um, it used to be a, a 40-minute

trip, and now it's a 20-minute trip.

: 1066

00:49:42,547 --> 00:49:44,897

And you can completely

bypass all of Portsmouth.

: 1067

00:49:45,217 --> 00:49:47,277

And w- the end of it is in Lucasville.

: 1068

00:49:47,327 --> 00:49:52,447

And so they've got a Taco Bell now,

and they've got a Bigby Coffee now and

: 1069

00:49:52,457 --> 00:49:57,677

a Mexican restaurant, and yeah, things

are starting to po- pop up down there.

: 1070

00:49:58,177 --> 00:50:01,467

Though I did notice the US Bank

was shut down, which good on them.

: 1071

00:50:01,467 --> 00:50:03,467

US Bank is the shittiest bank out there

: 1072

00:50:03,967 --> 00:50:04,177

IMO

: 1073

00:50:04,677 --> 00:50:07,767

Dash: I wonder what's gonna

happen to these little towns

: 1074

00:50:07,807 --> 00:50:09,597

with how the economy's going

: 1075

00:50:10,097 --> 00:50:13,357

Beck: One good thing about down there is

that food is still expensive, but it's a

: 1076

00:50:13,357 --> 00:50:15,507

lot cheaper than in some of the big areas.

: 1077

00:50:15,517 --> 00:50:19,787

Like, um, one time we went to Tutors

and we got like two biscuits and

: 1078

00:50:19,787 --> 00:50:25,029

some apples and a s- and a soda, and

it came to like a $13 or something.

: 1079

00:50:25,029 --> 00:50:26,189

And we were like, "Are you sure?

: 1080

00:50:26,349 --> 00:50:27,439

Did you get everything on the

: 1081

00:50:27,459 --> 00:50:28,959

Like you, you got everything?"

: 1082

00:50:29,499 --> 00:50:33,849

Like, you know, with th- it's $30 to eat

anywhere here in Toledo for two people.

: 1083

00:50:34,349 --> 00:50:34,959

It was wild.

: 1084

00:50:35,029 --> 00:50:37,019

So that's one good thing

they have going for them.

: 1085

00:50:37,019 --> 00:50:39,769

They have the … But on the other

hand, there's no freaking jobs,

: 1086

00:50:39,849 --> 00:50:41,059

so what are you supposed to do?

: 1087

00:50:41,439 --> 00:50:43,189

Buy with … You don't have

money, you don't have…

: 1088

00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:45,929

I mean, there's things to buy,

but no money to buy it with

: 1089

00:50:46,429 --> 00:50:47,559

And it's such a food desert.

: 1090

00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:50,149

There's one Walmart in

all of Scioto County.

: 1091

00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:53,089

There's two Krogers in

all of Scioto County.

: 1092

00:50:53,539 --> 00:50:58,209

There's just so few everything

around town, and those are

: 1093

00:50:58,209 --> 00:50:59,429

the only grocery stores.

: 1094

00:50:59,669 --> 00:51:04,229

There used to be a a Food Fair and

there used to be BG Blackburns, um,

: 1095

00:51:04,229 --> 00:51:07,469

but both, they were independent grocery

stores and they both shut down It's

: 1096

00:51:07,469 --> 00:51:09,289

crazy to see how stuff changes over time

: 1097

00:51:10,281 --> 00:51:10,391

Dash: Yehaw.

: 1098

00:51:10,891 --> 00:51:12,371

Did you bring a noun of

Appalachian interest?

: 1099

00:51:12,871 --> 00:51:13,701

Beck: I sure did.

: 1100

00:51:13,811 --> 00:51:15,771

It's a bit of a somber one today.

: 1101

00:51:16,271 --> 00:51:17,331

Let me see here

: 1102

00:51:17,831 --> 00:51:19,431

Dash: We'll have to be

extra funny next week.

: 1103

00:51:19,931 --> 00:51:20,391

Beck: Yes.

: 1104

00:51:20,891 --> 00:51:22,591

Well, it was unplanned, so.

: 1105

00:51:23,091 --> 00:51:24,621

All right, let me get my glasses here

: 1106

00:51:27,126 --> 00:51:30,476

All right, this week's noun of

Appalachian interest is the Marshall

: 1107

00:51:30,476 --> 00:51:33,686

University Memorial Fountain

in Huntington, West Virginia.

: 1108

00:51:34,196 --> 00:51:37,936

Before we get going, let me start by

acknowledging that this noun is not funny.

: 1109

00:51:38,196 --> 00:51:41,246

No, this is one of those nouns

where Appalachia asks for quiet

: 1110

00:51:41,246 --> 00:51:44,186

first because the story matters

too much to rush past it.

: 1111

00:51:44,886 --> 00:51:46,646

Why does this memorial exist?

: 1112

00:51:46,646 --> 00:51:51,476

th,: 1970

rainy hillside in Wayne County, West

: 1113

00:51:51,476 --> 00:51:56,231

Virginia, the lives of 75 men and

women were lost to the s- worst single

: 1114

00:51:56,231 --> 00:51:58,921

air tragedy in NCAA sports history.

: 1115

00:51:59,321 --> 00:52:02,701

Among the losses were nearly the

entire Marshall University football

: 1116

00:52:02,701 --> 00:52:06,591

team, coaches, flight crew,

numerous fans, and supporters.

: 1117

00:52:06,921 --> 00:52:10,081

The event marked a boundary by which

the entire community would forever

: 1118

00:52:10,081 --> 00:52:13,121

measure time, before or after the crash.

: 1119

00:52:13,531 --> 00:52:17,671

The Marshall Memorial Fountain sits on

the Marshall University campus beside

: 1120

00:52:17,671 --> 00:52:21,651

the Memorial Student Center, where

it honors the 75 people who died.

: 1121

00:52:22,021 --> 00:52:27,051

The fountain was dedicated in November

of: 1972

: 1122

00:52:27,281 --> 00:52:31,331

It was designed by artist Harry

Bertoia, and it is more than 13 feet

: 1123

00:52:31,341 --> 00:52:33,821

tall and weighs about 6,500 pounds.

: 1124

00:52:34,211 --> 00:52:37,311

This fountain is not some little

decorative water feature like you'd

: 1125

00:52:37,311 --> 00:52:41,741

see outside a dentist's office next to

three fake, fake rocks and a sad shrub.

: 1126

00:52:42,091 --> 00:52:43,271

This thing has presence.

: 1127

00:52:43,281 --> 00:52:47,811

It stands there proud and tall like

it knows what it is holding, and what

: 1128

00:52:47,811 --> 00:52:49,771

it is holding is a precious memory.

: 1129

00:52:49,854 --> 00:52:50,204

Dash: Precious

: 1130

00:52:50,381 --> 00:52:53,221

Beck: Every year on November

14th, Marshall holds a memorial

: 1131

00:52:53,221 --> 00:52:54,661

ceremony at the fountain.

: 1132

00:52:54,961 --> 00:52:58,211

A wreath is laid, the names are

remembered, and then the water

: 1133

00:52:58,211 --> 00:53:01,241

is turned off, and it stays

off until the following spring.

: 1134

00:53:01,681 --> 00:53:04,941

Now, that's the part that gets me

because a fountain is supposed to move.

: 1135

00:53:04,951 --> 00:53:06,111

That's the whole job.

: 1136

00:53:06,471 --> 00:53:10,221

The water rises, it falls, it

splashes, and it keeps going.

: 1137

00:53:10,521 --> 00:53:12,881

But at Marshall, once a

year, the movement stops.

: 1138

00:53:12,881 --> 00:53:17,451

The silence becomes part of the memorial,

and that is all very Appalachia to me.

: 1139

00:53:17,461 --> 00:53:20,451

Lord knows people love to flatten

us into sadness and poverty

: 1140

00:53:20,691 --> 00:53:22,121

like that's our whole story.

: 1141

00:53:22,431 --> 00:53:25,731

But Appalachia knows what it means

to keep living from within a loss.

: 1142

00:53:26,011 --> 00:53:28,941

Around here, memory is not

locked away somewhere distant.

: 1143

00:53:29,201 --> 00:53:30,121

It stays close.

: 1144

00:53:30,121 --> 00:53:33,761

It shows up in the places people pass

every day and in the stories which

: 1145

00:53:33,791 --> 00:53:36,851

begin with, "Now, I don't know if

you ever heard about this, but…"

: 1146

00:53:37,351 --> 00:53:41,071

The memorial artist said he wanted

the fountain to honor life, not just

: 1147

00:53:41,071 --> 00:53:45,421

death, with water that rises and falls

and suggests growth and mortality and

: 1148

00:53:45,421 --> 00:53:49,201

eternity, and that is the part that

makes it more than just a monument.

: 1149

00:53:49,491 --> 00:53:51,591

It's not only saying,

"Here is what happened."

: 1150

00:53:51,831 --> 00:53:53,831

It is saying, "Here is who we still carry.

: 1151

00:53:53,831 --> 00:53:55,241

This is how we love and honor."

: 1152

00:53:55,741 --> 00:53:58,571

And for Marshall, that fountain

is also tied to identity.

: 1153

00:53:58,851 --> 00:54:01,601

You cannot really talk about

Marshall without talking about We

: 1154

00:54:01,601 --> 00:54:04,941

Are Marshall, and that phrase is

bigger than just a movie title.

: 1155

00:54:05,181 --> 00:54:08,021

Though, if you haven't seen the movie,

it's a great flick filmed in Huntington.

: 1156

00:54:08,481 --> 00:54:12,081

No, We Are Marshall is a community

motto declaring that we are still here.

: 1157

00:54:12,081 --> 00:54:14,851

We are not replacing the people

we lost, but we are carrying

: 1158

00:54:14,851 --> 00:54:16,581

them with us now and forever.

: 1159

00:54:17,101 --> 00:54:19,141

So I think that is why

this noun matters so much.

: 1160

00:54:19,141 --> 00:54:21,141

The memorial fountain

is not just a fountain.

: 1161

00:54:21,411 --> 00:54:22,261

It is a ritual.

: 1162

00:54:22,261 --> 00:54:24,428

It is a physical festation of grief.

: 1163

00:54:24,698 --> 00:54:25,548

It is school spirit.

: 1164

00:54:25,696 --> 00:54:28,956

Without the tacky foam finger

part, it is a public promise.

: 1165

00:54:29,466 --> 00:54:31,166

Memory sometimes keeps a schedule.

: 1166

00:54:31,166 --> 00:54:33,286

Every November 14th, people gather.

: 1167

00:54:33,626 --> 00:54:35,166

Every year, the water stops.

: 1168

00:54:35,166 --> 00:54:36,786

Every spring, the water returns.

: 1169

00:54:36,796 --> 00:54:38,036

The cycle endures.

: 1170

00:54:38,416 --> 00:54:40,926

And there's something beautiful

about that process, because it

: 1171

00:54:40,936 --> 00:54:42,426

does not pretend grief ends.

: 1172

00:54:42,706 --> 00:54:45,086

It just says grief can

move with the seasons.

: 1173

00:54:45,396 --> 00:54:48,166

Sometimes football is more than

the game, and the Marshall Memorial

: 1174

00:54:48,166 --> 00:54:49,566

Fountain remembers this well.

: 1175

00:54:50,066 --> 00:54:51,996

That's your Noun of Appalachian Interest

: 1176

00:54:54,725 --> 00:54:54,845

Dash: Wow.

: 1177

00:54:55,265 --> 00:54:56,055

I didn't know that.

: 1178

00:54:56,065 --> 00:54:57,455

I just looked it up.

: 1179

00:54:57,455 --> 00:54:58,445

It's beautiful

: 1180

00:54:58,945 --> 00:54:59,335

Beck: Yeah.

: 1181

00:54:59,685 --> 00:55:01,985

It's a, it's a big thing they

cover it on the news every year.

: 1182

00:55:02,395 --> 00:55:05,045

They, they really still honor

the memory of those people.

: 1183

00:55:05,055 --> 00:55:07,755

It w- happened in Kenova, West

Virginia, where the airport is.

: 1184

00:55:07,755 --> 00:55:09,075

It's a tiny little airport.

: 1185

00:55:09,515 --> 00:55:12,985

But it was raining that night, and the,

they were on their way back and the, they

: 1186

00:55:12,985 --> 00:55:16,985

missed the, the landing strip and hit a,

it hit a hill, and it killed everybody

: 1187

00:55:16,985 --> 00:55:19,938

on the plane Oh, you've seen it?

: 1188

00:55:20,438 --> 00:55:21,568

Dash: No, I haven't seen the movie

: 1189

00:55:21,987 --> 00:55:22,277

Beck: Oh.

: 1190

00:55:22,637 --> 00:55:24,817

We, when I lived there,

they were filming it.

: 1191

00:55:24,837 --> 00:55:28,257

One time we were on our way to

work at Amazon, and we were coming

: 1192

00:55:28,257 --> 00:55:32,307

down, uh, 3rd Avenue or 4th Avenue,

I can't remember, 4th Avenue.

: 1193

00:55:32,677 --> 00:55:36,937

And Matthew McConaughey was standing

beside the street in his '70s outfit,

: 1194

00:55:36,937 --> 00:55:38,567

'cause it was from the '70s, right?

: 1195

00:55:38,977 --> 00:55:43,117

So he was dressed in '70s apparel, and

he was on his cell phone by a dumpster,

: 1196

00:55:43,117 --> 00:55:46,157

and we like, I screamed like a straight

girl and nearly ran my car off the

: 1197

00:55:46,157 --> 00:55:48,087

road, 'cause I was like, "Oh, my God."

: 1198

00:55:48,697 --> 00:55:52,067

But then there was a couple of scenes

that we actually watched being filmed.

: 1199

00:55:52,397 --> 00:55:55,407

Um, at the beginning of the movie, the,

there, there's a couple of kids who are

: 1200

00:55:55,407 --> 00:55:58,947

hurt on the football team, and so they

don't go on the trip, and they're at the

: 1201

00:55:58,947 --> 00:56:02,047

movies, and then there's all the sirens

and all the stuff that happens, and they

: 1202

00:56:02,047 --> 00:56:03,547

come running out of the movie theater.

: 1203

00:56:03,977 --> 00:56:07,457

And we were s- we were in a

parking garage across the street

: 1204

00:56:07,457 --> 00:56:09,087

watching them film the whole thing.

: 1205

00:56:09,497 --> 00:56:12,737

And there's pe- I, we know people

in the extras and like all of the…

: 1206

00:56:12,737 --> 00:56:13,707

It's, it's very…

: 1207

00:56:13,987 --> 00:56:16,977

They, they go to Jim's Spaghetti,

which I've eaten at several times.

: 1208

00:56:17,267 --> 00:56:18,567

Um, it was just, it's really neat.

: 1209

00:56:18,657 --> 00:56:21,347

It, it's a, they do a good

job representing Huntington.

: 1210

00:56:21,847 --> 00:56:24,007

If you've not s- if you've

not seen it, I recommend it

: 1211

00:56:24,507 --> 00:56:24,867

Dash: Getting which I

read it several times.

: 1212

00:56:24,867 --> 00:56:24,917

It's just, it's really neat.

: 1213

00:56:24,917 --> 00:56:25,047

It, it's, uh, they do a good job

representing us We should add

: 1214

00:56:25,047 --> 00:56:25,687

this If not needed, I recommend

that We could add it to the wheel.

: 1215

00:56:26,497 --> 00:56:31,367

So s- somebody get the web administrator

of the University of Marshall on

: 1216

00:56:31,367 --> 00:56:35,277

the phone for me, please, because

this website is a fucking disaster.

: 1217

00:56:35,287 --> 00:56:37,137

Every link I click on is dead.

: 1218

00:56:37,437 --> 00:56:39,007

Tell me about the fountain

: 1219

00:56:39,871 --> 00:56:41,501

Beck: That seems right

on brand for Marshall

: 1220

00:56:41,961 --> 00:56:42,121

Dash: Isn't it?

: 1221

00:56:42,621 --> 00:56:42,941

Beck: Yeah.

: 1222

00:56:45,351 --> 00:56:48,091

When I moved to Huntington, I

applied there but never went.

: 1223

00:56:48,091 --> 00:56:49,911

I never signed up for classes or whatever.

: 1224

00:56:50,331 --> 00:56:54,101

Um, Shanna went there, so she, that was

where she spent her first two years of

: 1225

00:56:54,101 --> 00:56:56,741

college, but she finished at Miami with me

: 1226

00:57:02,254 --> 00:57:04,304

My neighbor's kid got a karaoke machine.

: 1227

00:57:04,304 --> 00:57:06,354

Can you imagine how

excited I am about that?

: 1228

00:57:06,854 --> 00:57:07,644

Dash: Go out there and join them

: 1229

00:57:08,144 --> 00:57:10,724

Beck: It's better than the high school

band that lived in my front yard

: 1230

00:57:11,224 --> 00:57:12,534

Dash: What's your karaoke song?

: 1231

00:57:13,034 --> 00:57:17,254

Beck: Me and Bobby motherfucking

McGee busted flat in Baton Rouge

: 1232

00:57:17,771 --> 00:57:20,301

Dash: Chri- the Janis version or

the Kris Kristofferson version?

: 1233

00:57:20,834 --> 00:57:22,494

Beck: Oh, the Janis version for sure.

: 1234

00:57:22,677 --> 00:57:22,687

Dash: Yehaw

: 1235

00:57:22,804 --> 00:57:25,364

Beck: Me and my best friend would get up

and sing that, like, every time we went to

: 1236

00:57:25,364 --> 00:57:29,204

the Midnight Cowboy, or the Midnight Rodeo

is what it was called, the Midnight Rodeo.

: 1237

00:57:29,464 --> 00:57:31,104

They had a bull that we would ride.

: 1238

00:57:31,554 --> 00:57:32,784

It was, it was hilarious.

: 1239

00:57:32,794 --> 00:57:33,814

It was a good time.

: 1240

00:57:33,824 --> 00:57:37,174

That's where mom, we went with

mom when she let us pick the bar

: 1241

00:57:37,674 --> 00:57:39,844

Dash: Did you ever do

karaoke in Bowling Green?

: 1242

00:57:40,344 --> 00:57:40,714

Beck: Nope.

: 1243

00:57:41,214 --> 00:57:43,754

The only bar I was ever in

in Bowling Green was Grumpy

: 1244

00:57:43,754 --> 00:57:45,274

Dave's, and I went to trivia

: 1245

00:57:45,774 --> 00:57:46,584

Dash: Well, that's what it was.

: 1246

00:57:46,584 --> 00:57:48,364

We, it, they had a karaoke night too.

: 1247

00:57:48,864 --> 00:57:51,224

we went up there I was there infrequently.

: 1248

00:57:51,234 --> 00:57:54,794

It was, it was always because of

some s- I made some friends that had

: 1249

00:57:54,794 --> 00:57:58,984

graduated from the program prior,

and they still lived in town, and

: 1250

00:57:58,994 --> 00:58:00,134

they would always wanna go there.

: 1251

00:58:00,581 --> 00:58:06,511

so yeah, the, we went to a karaoke

night, and Eric was there with us.

: 1252

00:58:06,561 --> 00:58:11,551

And he is a, he's like a really

good singer, which I didn't know.

: 1253

00:58:11,621 --> 00:58:16,481

But also, the song he chose to do was

Ring of Fire by Johnny Cash, and he was

: 1254

00:58:16,598 --> 00:58:17,028

Beck: Oh, wow

: 1255

00:58:17,111 --> 00:58:20,651

Dash: dead-on good at it that we

thought the radio was playing.

: 1256

00:58:20,681 --> 00:58:22,721

Like, he didn't tell us

he was going to do it.

: 1257

00:58:23,141 --> 00:58:27,521

I just noticed he was gone, and Ring

of Fire was playing, and I just s- it

: 1258

00:58:27,521 --> 00:58:29,111

sounded like the Johnny Cash version.

: 1259

00:58:29,531 --> 00:58:32,991

And so then I, I just looked

over, and I was like, "Oh my God,

: 1260

00:58:33,001 --> 00:58:34,761

that's Eric singing this song."

: 1261

00:58:34,781 --> 00:58:38,491

And so our whole table just got up and ran

over there, and we're like, "You didn't

: 1262

00:58:39,671 --> 00:58:39,891

Beck: That's

: 1263

00:58:39,901 --> 00:58:40,541

awesome

: 1264

00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:43,670

Dash: Uh, I don't think

I've done it since…

: 1265

00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,070

Well, I haven't done it since

I transitioned, but I was…

: 1266

00:58:46,570 --> 00:58:46,980

What did I…

: 1267

00:58:47,020 --> 00:58:49,130

I w- I, I remember doing Fiona Apple

: 1268

00:58:49,630 --> 00:58:50,870

Beck: That's a good one, like criminal

: 1269

00:58:51,257 --> 00:58:52,207

Dash: I, I did that one.

: 1270

00:58:52,267 --> 00:58:57,327

I, I remember having a lot of fun doing

her cover of that Beatles song, Nothing…

: 1271

00:58:57,367 --> 00:58:58,297

What is that song?

: 1272

00:58:58,797 --> 00:59:00,607

She did it for the

Pleasantville soundtrack

: 1273

00:59:01,415 --> 00:59:02,305

Beck: I just watched that the other night

: 1274

00:59:02,805 --> 00:59:05,265

Dash: Nothing's gonna

change my world or whatever.

: 1275

00:59:05,538 --> 00:59:08,778

Beck: Nothing's gonna change my world.

: 1276

00:59:09,278 --> 00:59:09,648

Yeah

: 1277

00:59:10,054 --> 00:59:12,584

Dash: like her cover of that,

it's a really good cover, so I

: 1278

00:59:12,584 --> 00:59:14,424

did that at karaoke once at…

: 1279

00:59:14,534 --> 00:59:15,864

Oh, it was at Hooters.

: 1280

00:59:17,937 --> 00:59:19,917

Karaoke at Hooters was awesome.

: 1281

00:59:21,017 --> 00:59:22,887

there's like the…

: 1282

00:59:23,297 --> 00:59:26,937

Was it Thursday night party scene

for you when you were in college?

: 1283

00:59:27,437 --> 00:59:29,357

Beck: You know, I didn't party a lot.

: 1284

00:59:29,387 --> 00:59:31,807

My friends and I smoked

pot, and so we would do that

: 1285

00:59:31,807 --> 00:59:33,207

basically any night of the week.

: 1286

00:59:33,567 --> 00:59:36,917

Um, we didn't have a lot of money,

and drinking has never really been

: 1287

00:59:36,917 --> 00:59:39,247

my thing, so, and plus going to bars.

: 1288

00:59:39,547 --> 00:59:42,437

I was considered, I was not

really fat at that time.

: 1289

00:59:42,437 --> 00:59:43,537

I was a bigger girl.

: 1290

00:59:43,787 --> 00:59:48,047

So at Miami, I was considered obese

because I was like a size 14 or whatever.

: 1291

00:59:48,357 --> 00:59:49,997

Um, so I didn't go out a lot.

: 1292

00:59:50,007 --> 00:59:53,107

And plus I wasn't part of the

fraternity or sorority life,

: 1293

00:59:53,407 --> 00:59:55,097

um, which was so big at Miami.

: 1294

00:59:55,687 --> 00:59:56,897

So my answer is no.

: 1295

00:59:56,947 --> 00:59:58,567

I, I did, I didn't go out a lot

: 1296

00:59:59,157 --> 00:59:59,747

Dash: so you don't know.

: 1297

00:59:59,747 --> 01:00:02,937

Well, at EKU it was Thurs- at

most colleges it's Thursdays

: 1298

01:00:02,957 --> 01:00:04,367

because kids go home on weekends.

: 1299

01:00:04,367 --> 01:00:06,557

EKU was a suitcase

college back in the day,

: 1300

01:00:07,114 --> 01:00:07,524

Beck: Yehaw

: 1301

01:00:07,663 --> 01:00:09,483

Dash: go out and do their

partying on Thursdays.

: 1302

01:00:09,503 --> 01:00:13,603

And so because of that, all the

businesses would have their Thursday

: 1303

01:00:13,603 --> 01:00:18,993

night programming to, you know, try

to cultivate re- repeat customers.

: 1304

01:00:19,393 --> 01:00:22,613

So the bowling alley, for

instance, they had their…

: 1305

01:00:22,623 --> 01:00:24,133

It was 50 cent game night.

: 1306

01:00:24,443 --> 01:00:29,283

And had 50 cent wings and karaoke.

: 1307

01:00:29,413 --> 01:00:34,393

So the, me and the, the kids from

my f- dorm, we would go to Hooters

: 1308

01:00:34,393 --> 01:00:36,533

and have, you know, wings there.

: 1309

01:00:37,213 --> 01:00:41,243

Uh, so it, maybe Richmond it was a better,

better environment for Thursday night

: 1310

01:00:41,243 --> 01:00:42,713

programming that didn't involve drinking.

: 1311

01:00:43,373 --> 01:00:47,303

Because also, like, that was when

it changed from being able to get

: 1312

01:00:47,303 --> 01:00:49,603

into a club at 18, you had to be 21.

: 1313

01:00:50,103 --> 01:00:53,663

somebody had to take over stuff

for the people under, that

: 1314

01:00:53,663 --> 01:00:54,783

weren't, that couldn't drink

: 1315

01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:55,090

Beck: Yehaw

: 1316

01:00:55,778 --> 01:00:59,518

Oxford was so small, we didn't

have a lot of places you could go.

: 1317

01:00:59,828 --> 01:01:04,468

you either went to the bars or the

restaurants were either like Wendy's or so

: 1318

01:01:04,468 --> 01:01:06,248

upscale you had to dress up to go there.

: 1319

01:01:06,248 --> 01:01:07,958

There was like no in between.

: 1320

01:01:08,528 --> 01:01:08,958

So

: 1321

01:01:09,179 --> 01:01:09,759

Dash: Yeah.

: 1322

01:01:10,029 --> 01:01:13,509

That was the best thing about Richmond

was all the opportunities to socialize.

: 1323

01:01:13,509 --> 01:01:18,269

Like, going to school at EKU

was a very social experience.

: 1324

01:01:18,839 --> 01:01:20,839

EKU used to be famous

for being a party school.

: 1325

01:01:20,839 --> 01:01:22,249

I don't think it is anymore

: 1326

01:01:22,749 --> 01:01:26,029

Beck: BGSU is definitely a party

school still, well known for it

: 1327

01:01:26,677 --> 01:01:28,727

Dash: I remember living

across the street from…

: 1328

01:01:28,777 --> 01:01:34,626

Well, I lived downtown, and um, the

worst day of the whole year was St.

: 1329

01:01:34,626 --> 01:01:35,416

Patrick's Day.

: 1330

01:01:35,716 --> 01:01:39,116

Those monsters would get up at 6:00 AM put

: 1331

01:01:39,247 --> 01:01:39,667

Beck: yeah

: 1332

01:01:40,167 --> 01:01:44,017

Dash: and go, go down to the Stone's

Throw and drink their breakfast.

: 1333

01:01:44,517 --> 01:01:46,867

And, like, Stone's Throw would open early.

: 1334

01:01:46,877 --> 01:01:49,847

They would do, like, a, an Irish

breakfast, right, with, like, the

: 1335

01:01:49,847 --> 01:01:54,037

sauerkraut and all that stuff, then

they would give them the beer, and they

: 1336

01:01:54,037 --> 01:01:57,147

would s- like, some of them, they'd be

falling out in the street by: 10:00

: 1337

01:01:57,147 --> 01:01:57,177

Beck: Oh yeah.

: 1338

01:01:57,857 --> 01:02:02,177

They had Green Beer Day at Miami because

Miami wisened up and would generally

: 1339

01:02:02,177 --> 01:02:04,267

traditionally make spring break over St.

: 1340

01:02:04,267 --> 01:02:07,507

Patrick's holiday, um, that way

that they wouldn't be in town.

: 1341

01:02:07,517 --> 01:02:09,487

So they came up with Green Beer Day.

: 1342

01:02:09,747 --> 01:02:12,907

They have T-shirts and everything for

Green Beer Day, and the bars open at like

: 1343

01:02:12,907 --> 01:02:16,507

4:00 in the morning, and people are drunk

going to their classes, and everybody has

: 1344

01:02:16,507 --> 01:02:19,477

a green tongue, and it's a whole thing.

: 1345

01:02:19,557 --> 01:02:20,537

It's disgusting

: 1346

01:02:21,179 --> 01:02:22,038

passed out in the bushes

: 1347

01:02:22,538 --> 01:02:23,489

Dash: I used to at…

: 1348

01:02:23,489 --> 01:02:26,909

So when I worked at SIU, I would

on the high drinking days, of which

: 1349

01:02:26,909 --> 01:02:29,568

there were many, they had drinking…

: 1350

01:02:29,598 --> 01:02:33,598

Like, it was not just they had unofficial

Halloween, real Halloween, uh, St.

: 1351

01:02:33,598 --> 01:02:36,388

Paddy's Day, and then they had

these things called Polar and Solar

: 1352

01:02:36,388 --> 01:02:39,038

Bear, which were just, I think

they were at the equinoxes, and

: 1353

01:02:39,038 --> 01:02:40,538

they were just downtown parties.

: 1354

01:02:41,228 --> 01:02:48,128

And, uh, I would just go for my walks

in the middle of the day and kind of

: 1355

01:02:48,138 --> 01:02:50,258

be on the lookout for the ones that…

: 1356

01:02:50,758 --> 01:02:53,328

There's like, there's, there's

a certain way to time a day

: 1357

01:02:53,328 --> 01:02:54,918

like that wrong, you know?

: 1358

01:02:55,078 --> 01:02:57,805

And you don't know you've

done it until it's too late.

: 1359

01:02:57,815 --> 01:03:02,105

So they, they would be out there,

like, laying down under a bush asleep

: 1360

01:03:02,105 --> 01:03:03,655

or something, like trying to…

: 1361

01:03:03,955 --> 01:03:06,715

'Cause it's also a mobile party, like

you're going from house to house.

: 1362

01:03:07,215 --> 01:03:10,025

so I'm like, "I guess I'll just

go out and look for them," because

: 1363

01:03:10,025 --> 01:03:11,145

these kids can't be trusted.

: 1364

01:03:13,763 --> 01:03:19,770

Well, let's see, what kind of game or

whatever we're gonna do for next week

: 1365

01:03:20,270 --> 01:03:20,830

Beck: All right

: 1366

01:03:21,330 --> 01:03:24,160

Dash: Let me give this of what have ye.

: 1367

01:03:24,660 --> 01:03:29,790

Oh, So we landed on book

report, or I expanded it to

: 1368

01:03:29,790 --> 01:03:32,260

just mean, like, media report.

: 1369

01:03:32,620 --> 01:03:39,090

So I'll probably give a report on whatever

YouTube deep dive I watched most recently.

: 1370

01:03:39,590 --> 01:03:42,820

in fact, last night I stayed up

late watching an interesting one.

: 1371

01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,970

So it can be, it can be anything.

: 1372

01:03:44,970 --> 01:03:48,190

It can be literally the book

you're reading or you, you could

: 1373

01:03:48,190 --> 01:03:51,040

give us a presentation about your

dissertation chapter you're working on

: 1374

01:03:51,540 --> 01:03:53,040

Beck: Yeah, that wouldn't

put everyone to sleep

: 1375

01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:54,860

Dash: I trust you to be funny.

: 1376

01:03:55,826 --> 01:03:58,056

Beck: I'm on, I'm working

on chapter two right now, so

: 1377

01:03:58,556 --> 01:04:03,453

Dash: Yehaw Yeah, I'll try to make

whatever s- silly thing I, I or read

: 1378

01:04:03,453 --> 01:04:06,553

last sound, sound entertaining to people

: 1379

01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:08,980

Beck: I watch a lot of movies

when Shannon's at work.

: 1380

01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,130

So I'll see what I find this week

Too bad I already gave you the

: 1381

01:04:13,130 --> 01:04:16,920

Jehovah's Witness movie and the

Masters of the Universe today, so

: 1382

01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:19,210

Oh no, I have to watch a movie

: 1383

01:04:19,710 --> 01:04:20,230

Dash: Yeah, right.

: 1384

01:04:22,329 --> 01:04:23,719

Oi, what are you gonna

do the rest of the day?

: 1385

01:04:24,219 --> 01:04:26,869

Beck: Shanna wants to do something,

so I'll probably get a shower and

: 1386

01:04:26,869 --> 01:04:30,059

get myself cleaned up, and, um,

I don't know what we'll get into.

: 1387

01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:33,649

Probably go find something to eat and,

uh, maybe go to a park or something.

: 1388

01:04:34,129 --> 01:04:37,469

Um, we're working on Rue with a leash,

and she's been doing so much better.

: 1389

01:04:37,809 --> 01:04:39,479

we got her to pee outside

a couple of times.

: 1390

01:04:39,489 --> 01:04:42,009

That was really good, so she's

coming along pretty quickly.

: 1391

01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:44,119

So we'll probably go to

the park again today.

: 1392

01:04:44,619 --> 01:04:45,179

What about you?

: 1393

01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:47,149

Dash: I, I wanna leave the house as well.

: 1394

01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:53,719

I've been stuck in analysis paralysis

lately, and I'm prone to those Uh, anytime

: 1395

01:04:53,759 --> 01:04:59,179

I have more than a couple things to, to

get done at a time I just kinda get stuck.

: 1396

01:04:59,897 --> 01:05:02,857

haven't left the house in a couple

days, so I wanna make sure I do that.

: 1397

01:05:02,877 --> 01:05:04,457

Go for a walk or a bike ride.

: 1398

01:05:04,637 --> 01:05:04,647

Beck: Yehaw

: 1399

01:05:05,182 --> 01:05:09,996

Dash: a f- our, uh, one of our, uh,

YouTube followers, person who, who keeps

: 1400

01:05:09,996 --> 01:05:14,696

up with us there, Techno Pop Tart, had

a theory about why the Foxy Merkins was

: 1401

01:05:14,696 --> 01:05:17,286

called, why the merkin thing was there.

: 1402

01:05:17,676 --> 01:05:22,206

And so what they said was that because

a merkin is a facade, it's like a fake

: 1403

01:05:22,466 --> 01:05:28,106

version of a real thing that you use to

put on top of it kind of, like, create an

: 1404

01:05:28,106 --> 01:05:32,496

illusion, hide who you really are which

I think there's definitely something

: 1405

01:05:32,506 --> 01:05:34,516

in there, like something to that.

: 1406

01:05:35,016 --> 01:05:35,826

Do you remember…

: 1407

01:05:36,526 --> 01:05:38,246

This is very cultural studies.

: 1408

01:05:38,296 --> 01:05:40,856

So like this, uh, uh, Jean…

: 1409

01:05:40,956 --> 01:05:41,536

Not Jean.

: 1410

01:05:41,536 --> 01:05:42,006

Goddammit.

: 1411

01:05:42,076 --> 01:05:42,536

What's his name?

: 1412

01:05:42,546 --> 01:05:43,076

Baudrillard.

: 1413

01:05:43,076 --> 01:05:44,586

I don't remember Baudrillard's first name.

: 1414

01:05:45,166 --> 01:05:49,546

Had this concept of the simulacra,

which is, like, a thing that is so

: 1415

01:05:49,596 --> 01:05:53,366

hyperreal that it becomes the version

of a thing that we think of, even

: 1416

01:05:53,366 --> 01:05:54,826

though it's not the real version of it.

: 1417

01:05:55,226 --> 01:05:58,556

And so that's, the merkin is

kind of like the hyperreal

: 1418

01:05:59,453 --> 01:06:02,253

illusion of what is in a vagina.

: 1419

01:06:02,363 --> 01:06:02,773

I don't know.

: 1420

01:06:03,273 --> 01:06:06,593

And in, in this paper, I w-

I'm gonna write that paper.

: 1421

01:06:06,843 --> 01:06:11,824

I'm gonna cite Techno Pop Tart and

submit it to the Women's Studies Journal.

: 1422

01:06:12,863 --> 01:06:13,173

Beck: Mm-hmm.

: 1423

01:06:13,473 --> 01:06:14,373

Just cite your cat.

: 1424

01:06:14,383 --> 01:06:16,713

That's what most au- that's

what a lot of authors do.

: 1425

01:06:17,213 --> 01:06:18,833

There was a guy who

wrote a paper and used…

: 1426

01:06:18,883 --> 01:06:22,953

Yeah, he wrote we in, in his paper,

and he was a single author, and

: 1427

01:06:22,953 --> 01:06:25,793

so they made him, like, add a

co-author, and he added his cat.

: 1428

01:06:26,293 --> 01:06:27,333

Totally what I would do

: 1429

01:06:27,833 --> 01:06:28,233

Dash: Right.

: 1430

01:06:28,383 --> 01:06:28,513

Me

: 1431

01:06:37,144 --> 01:06:37,274

All right, everybody.

: 1432

01:06:37,274 --> 01:06:37,884

Well, thanks for hanging

out with us another week.

: 1433

01:06:37,994 --> 01:06:42,584

I woke up and got on mic, so if, if

we didn't sound organized, th- you

: 1434

01:06:42,675 --> 01:06:43,035

Beck: weren't.

: 1435

01:06:43,056 --> 01:06:43,796

Dash: can get, okay?

: 1436

01:06:44,006 --> 01:06:44,666

We do our best.

: 1437

01:06:45,968 --> 01:06:47,878

We, we show up 'cause we love ye.

: 1438

01:06:48,467 --> 01:06:48,727

keep…

: 1439

01:06:48,777 --> 01:06:51,477

Hope you're out there doing fun

Pride things or doing whatever it

: 1440

01:06:51,477 --> 01:06:53,887

is you do to, uh, observe Pride.

: 1441

01:06:54,387 --> 01:06:55,937

And fuck the man.

: 1442

01:06:56,581 --> 01:06:57,251

Beck: Yehaw, fuck the law.

: 1443

01:06:58,114 --> 01:06:59,044

Dash: hi to your mom and them

: 1444

01:06:59,436 --> 01:06:59,796

Beck: Bye

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