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Dave Klatsky is the Men’s Basketball Head Coach at New York University. He was named head coach of the Violets in May of 2022.
Klatsky produced his second consecutive winning season at NYU in 2023-24, as he led the Violets to a 21-6 record, the University Athletic Association (UAA) Co-Championship (the program’s first title in 30 years), and to the Second Round of the NCAA Division III Tournament.
In his first season at NYU, Klatsky led the Violets to their first NCAA Tournament berth since 2015-16. He set a new standard for the most wins by a first-year head coach in program history as the Violets posted an 18-8 overall record and added a 7-7 mark in the UAA, the most victories since 2015-16.
Klatsky came to NYU after an 11-year tenure as an assistant coach at NCAA Division I Colgate University under Head Coach Matt Langel, helping lead the program to three of the last four Patriot League Tournament titles.
Prior to Colgate, Klatsky served as an assistant coach at Stevens Institute of Technology from 2007-11.
Klatsky, who earned a Bachelor of Science degree in Economics with a concentration in Finance and Accounting from the Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania in 2003, played for Coach Fran Dunphy from 1999-2003. He set the program's then-single-season assist record in 2000-01.
After graduating from Penn, Klatsky worked as an equity analyst and trader in Manhattan and Jersey City, before entering the coaching profession.
On this episode Mike & Dave discuss Dave’s journey from assistant coach to leading the Violets of NYU in this insightful conversation. Klatsky discusses the significant decisions that come with being a head coach, emphasizing that everything ultimately falls back on him, not just game strategies and player substitutions. Klatsky reflects on his early development as a player and how the landscape of basketball has changed, particularly in terms of skill development and creativity. He highlights the importance of creating a culture within the team and how he approaches practice design to foster competitiveness and efficiency. As he looks to the future, Klatsky expresses both excitement and challenge in maintaining the talent and culture of his program while enjoying the collaborative spirit of coaching.
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Host:What I wasn't ready for was just the decisions that go into coaching.
Host:Just everything, like everything just falls back on you.
Host:When you're an assistant, you throw all these things at the head coach and then he makes the final decision.
Host:But I didn't realize how many decisions there are, right?
Host:And I'm not even talking about like what play to run or who to sub.
Host:Like those are, those are real too.
Host:But all right, what are we doing?
Host:What time do we need to get ready at?
Host:What are we eating?
Host:What's the best thing to do between days?
Host:Should we have a hard practice and easy like all those things, you have to make the final decision with the input from your staff.
Host:All those decisions really weigh on you because they all come back to you when you're the head coach.
Host:They all come back on you.
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Mike Clesing:Hello and welcome to the Hoop Heads Podcast.
Mike Clesing:It's Mike Clesing here without my co host Jason Suckel tonight, but I am pleased to be joined by Dave Klatzy, head men's basketball coach at nyu.
Mike Clesing:Dave, welcome to the Hoop Heads pod.
Host:Thanks for having me Mike.
Host:Good to be here.
Mike Clesing:Thrilled to have you on.
Mike Clesing:Looking forward to diving into all the things you've been able to do in your career.
Mike Clesing:Let's start by going back in time to when you were a kid.
Mike Clesing:Tell me about your first introduction to the game of basketball.
Mike Clesing:What made you fall in love with it?
Host:Wow.
Host:Yeah, it's going way back.
Host:I've been playing for a while.
Host:I think when I was probably two or three is when I first started and it's probably because I had an older brother about three years older than me.
Host:So he was playing in a league, probably a first and second grade league and I was tagging along trying to do what he was doing.
Host:So ever since, ever since that time, I love the game.
Host:I was.
Host:You can.
Host:You couldn't find me without a basketball as a kid and now I'm still in, still in the game, coaching and loving it, loving every minute of it.
Host:So the game's given me a lot.
Mike Clesing:Talk to me a little bit about your development as a player, what you remember about how you came up in the game, maybe, versus how the guys that you're coaching today come up in the game.
Host:Yeah, Mike, that's a great question.
Host:I think.
Host:I think the game has changed a lot for me.
Host:I was.
Host:I just love competing.
Host:So even from a young age, I just love being out there trying to compete, trying to win, trying to.
Host:Trying to be better at the game than others.
Host:So when I was little, like I said, I had a ball in my hands at all times, so learned how to dribble right and left at an early age.
Host:And when you're in second and third grade and can dribble, you usually can go around people and get layups.
Host:So that was pretty fun when I was young.
Host:And then just as I got older, I just kept trying to add pieces to my game and never was, never grew, never got that much stronger.
Host:So that was a shame.
Host:But, you know, just was.
Host:Was a really smart player.
Host:Watched a ton of games, listened to a ton of basketball, trying to just pick up things where I could.
Host:As a kid, I wasn't, you know, thinking I was learning the game.
Host:I just loved it.
Host:So I was around it a lot, and I.
Host:I was always really good at.
Host:If something worked against me, I did it.
Host:So if somebody was like, oh, I'm going to cut off his right hand, well, then I was like, that's a good play, or if somebody would stand me up with their chest.
Host:And, you know, as.
Host:As I got a little bit older, I was like, that works.
Host:I'm gonna.
Host:I'm gonna do that.
Host:So I was able to just incorporate things that I saw or.
Host:Or played against and added it to my game.
Host:And, you know, little by little, I got to the point where I could be a good high school basketball player and eventually a college player and with a.
Host:Ended up having a decent career at UPenn.
Mike Clesing:Would you spend more time as, let's say, a high school player in the gym by yourself working on your game or playing pickup or.
Mike Clesing:What was the balance between the two for you?
Host:It was definitely more competing, I think.
Host:I didn't answer the second part of your question, so I'll answer that end this question.
Host:But I think.
Host:And it's funny you.
Host:You asked that question today at practice.
Host:We were working on the guards, jumping off, same leg, same hand finish.
Host:And I was.
Host:And I said to him, I wish we had that when I was playing, because I love it.
Host:It's a quick move for little guys.
Host:You catch a big off balance.
Host:But like, nobody was doing that when, when I was coming through and I said, when I said that that's not, that wasn't around in the 90s.
Host:They were like the 90s.
Host:I couldn't believe I was playing in the 90s.
Host:I was like, yeah, that's, that's when I was about your age.
Host:But.
Host:But no, I think for me, I love playing.
Host:So if there was a game I wanted to, I wanted to play, we would play.
Host:This is more getting into high school, but high school and college, if we had two guys, three guys, we're playing ones.
Host:If we had five or six, we're playing twos or threes, you know, and up to, up to 10.
Host:So.
Host:And we would play for a long time, right?
Host:And it was until everybody was too tired to go.
Host:And I was usually one of the guys that be there till the end.
Host:But I did work on my game.
Host:I don't want to.
Host:I don't want it to be like I just was out there playing pickup or playing ones or twos.
Host:I got a lot of shots up.
Host:I definitely didn't do as much as the players today, and I wish I did to a degree because I wasn't a great finisher.
Host:I was a great passer, good shooter.
Host:But watching the creativity that we teach now or that, you know, you, you watch some of these pros have, and that trickles down to our, our, our, our game in the college level.
Host:It's.
Host:These guys are so creative.
Host:And I, I wasn't create that creative as a player.
Host:I was creative and crafty and had all the tricks you need for a little guy.
Host:But like, I wasn't, I wasn't doing like reverse layups, jumping quickly and just kind of flipping it up there.
Host:I did have my extension layups, which I call like where you reach out, you know, with, with one armed as.
Host:As long as you can.
Host:But just the creativity is, Is so much better in the game today.
Host:And I think because of that, there's, there's more room for guards to, to be better.
Host:So.
Host:So, yeah, so I was competing more than working out, but I also was like, I took so many shots, reps on reps on reps on reps of just shooting.
Mike Clesing:And a lot of the moves that guys do today would have been illegal when you and I are playing.
Host:Absolutely.
Mike Clesing:All right, so tell me about the decision to go to Penn and what you remember about the recruiting process for yourself.
Host:Sure.
Host:It was quite a long time ago.
Host:But again, I was probably a junior in high school, maybe a sophomore, when the first interest came.
Host:And I never thought I was gonna be a Division 1 player.
Host:I really didn't.
Host:I was pretty good at tennis and did really well in the classroom.
Host:So I was focused on doing, getting to a good school.
Host:And then my AU team and my high school team started doing well and started getting some calls from some low D1s and.
Host:And then eventually Coach Donahue from Penn, who obviously is now the head coach of Penn, and then Coach Dunphy, who was my head coach at Penn, who's now at La Salle.
Host:Those two really, really did a great job of just being present.
Host:Coach Dump was at so many of my games.
Host:Coach Donahue talked to me constantly and just did a really good job of showing me what Penn was all about.
Host:And.
Host:And eventually, I remember my parents sat me down and they were like, what are you waiting for?
Host:It's pen, right?
Host:Like, what do you.
Host:What's better?
Host:Like, what are you waiting for?
Host:And I was like, I don't know.
Host:I don't know.
Host:And I committed the next day.
Host:So I needed that little nudge, which in recruiting, sometimes in big decisions, kids need, and I did need that at the time.
Host:But I was thrilled to.
Host:To be recruited by them and eventually go to Penn and play for Coach Dump and Coach Donahue and the rest of the staff.
Host:Coach Donahue only for one year, unfortunately, but he ended up getting the Cornell job after my freshman year.
Host:But great time, great staff.
Host:So all good things to say about Penn.
Mike Clesing:I know you worked in the business world after you graduated, so clearly when you entered college, was coaching at all on your radar, something that you thought about, or were you just strictly focused on trying to be the best player that you could be?
Host:Coaching was not on my radar.
Host:Entering Wharton, I'll be honest, I.
Host:I wanted to have an awesome career.
Host:I love basketball.
Host:I wanted to make the most of my four years, but I was going.
Host:Part of the reason I was going to Penn was to set myself up after college, which is Penn's great at.
Host:So I really.
Host:It really wasn't on my radar.
Host:I loved the game, but I didn't think of the career of coaching.
Host:I.
Host:I thought of myself as a coach on the court, but it never crossed my mind at that point to coach.
Host:So what was the second part of that question?
Host:I forgot.
Host:Is there two parts to that?
Mike Clesing:So.
Mike Clesing:Well, I mean, I sort of build on it when you get into school, and obviously you're focused on the fact that, you know, you're Going to graduate, you're going to get a job, you get a job in the business world.
Mike Clesing:And clearly you played for a couple of tremendous coaches who, again, for you, as you said, you thought of yourself as a coach on the floor.
Mike Clesing:Did they ever talk to you at all about, hey, maybe you should consider coaching or just what was your mindset as you were graduating?
Mike Clesing:Obviously, you're graduating with a degree from Penn.
Mike Clesing:They give you a lot of opportunities to do pretty well economically, I'm sure.
Mike Clesing:So just what was your mindset as.
Host:You were graduating to get a good job and make some money?
Host:You know, the staff really didn't, didn't at the time talk to me too much about coaching.
Host:And I think that was the right decision because I was setting myself up.
Host:I was trying to be in finance.
Host:So going on interviews, Coach Dump did a great job of hooking me up with a couple former Penn alums that were in the business, got to talk to them, interviewed with them, ended up getting a very good job.
Host:And coaching wasn't on my radar at that time, but playing was.
Host:So I did get some calls and some offers to play in, to play overseas, and I had already secured my job and it was a really good job working for Merrill Lynch.
Host:Coming out of school, it's, like, really hard to get.
Host:And I was just so blinded by the money and the, the chance to, you know, be independent that I didn't, like, I was done.
Host:I was done at that time with basketball.
Host:And I do, I do tell my players and anybody that asks, like, if you are in this situation, go play.
Host:You know, your jobs are fleeting.
Host:Even in finance coaching, like, you never know what's going to happen in the next five years.
Host:But, you know, what can't happen is you can't go back and play.
Host:You can, you can play right after college if you get that chance, but you can't go back.
Host:If you go in the, in the business world, I mean, some guys can, but I could not, not at 5, 10, 1, 70 at that time.
Host:So there's no way I could go back.
Host:And I do, you know, looking back, it would have been fun to give it a year or two to, to see, to travel a little bit.
Host:So, so that, that is some advice that I was probably given at the time.
Host:But I was just so, so ready to get to New York City and start working and start making some real money.
Mike Clesing:So how long was it into that finance job that you started to look around and were like, and there's no, there's no basketball here.
Mike Clesing:What what am I doing?
Mike Clesing:How, how can I get back in the game?
Mike Clesing:At what point did that bug kind of start biting you again?
Host:Yeah, so I've, I've told this story before, but.
Host:So about four years in and I've been playing men's league like twice a week, every, every week since I got to New York.
Host:And obviously at that age, you know, between 22 and 26, still a little bit too competitive, but was playing in one of these games, a shot went up and I just, like you're taught, boxed a guy out.
Host:My, my little, I'm little, but I got some strong legs, got a guy out to like the foul on.
Host:Ref blows the whistle, calls a foul and I lose my mind.
Host:And then I realized, like, why am I yelling at this men's league ref number one.
Host:But number two, it just triggered something that I needed to get back in the game at a high level to teach what I knew and try and help people be the best player they can be.
Host:Because I do love this game.
Host:So went home and googled local Division two, Division three schools.
Host:Um, and Steven's Tech popped up, which is in Hoboken, New Jersey.
Host:My office at the time was in Jersey City, New Jersey.
Host:And I looked up the coaching staff.
Host:Josh Leffler, who's now the head coach of Loyola, was the head coach, but luckily enough an assistant coach was one of my freshman coaches in high school.
Host:So I knew him well, reached out to him, he connected me and Josh and pretty much the rest is history.
Host:So I got, I got involved in a, in a part time volunteer role for that year.
Host:And then Josh moved on and Bobby Hurley took over at Stevens.
Host:He was also there when I was there as an assistant and he's been there for probably 15 years now, maybe less, maybe 13 years now.
Host:Not, not the Bobby Hurley at Arizona State, but different Bobby Hurley and stayed with him for three years and then, so that was four years doing a part time type thing where I was working full time in finance at a firm called Knight Capital.
Host:And then I would shoot over after work and be there for practices.
Host:Didn't.
Host:Did hardly any recruiting.
Host:Maybe went on one or two trips with Bobby.
Host:Trips meaning like high school events or anything like that?
Host:Not a trip.
Host:But I did start taking, you know, I loved it so much and I love being part of the team.
Host:I.
Host:Bobby was letting me do a lot on the floor and started taking my off days, my vacation days for work, to travel with the team when they would go away.
Host:Right.
Host:And that, that was what I wanted to do.
Host:That was.
Host:That wasn't, you know, work to me.
Host:It was.
Host:It was my vacation from my actual job.
Host:But I just enjoyed it so much and I, you know, I was hooked.
Host:I loved.
Host:I loved the team aspect, the.
Host:The coaching aspect, the strategy, being part of a group again, driving, impacting lives and mentoring 18 to 22 year old.
Host:So all those things just really fit.
Host:And that's.
Host:That's how I got started.
Mike Clesing:Did you know pretty quickly into that, that at some point, like, hey, I'm going to have to leave my, quote, real job and.
Mike Clesing:And go and.
Mike Clesing:And get into coaching full time?
Mike Clesing:Or.
Mike Clesing:Or when did that realization strike you?
Host:Or.
Mike Clesing:Or was it just when you eventually got the opportunity to go to Colgate?
Mike Clesing:Just how does that decision get made?
Mike Clesing:Because I'm sure it wasn't an easy one.
Host:It was extremely difficult.
Host:Extremely difficult.
Host:Because life.
Host:Life gets in the way too, which I'll get to.
Host:But for me, I think when I started doing it and loving it, in the back of my head, I was like, okay, like, I wish I could do this full time, but, like, I'm not gonna.
Host:You know, at that time, I was 27, 28 years old.
Host:I wasn't gonna jump in and do the ga to the ops to the video and put in another five to seven years.
Host:So in the back of my head, I was like, all right, this is fun.
Host:Like, but it's never really gonna work out unless the opportunity is, like, perfect.
Host:And, you know, four years in, Coach Langle got.
Host:Or Matt Langle, who was a teammate of mine at Cole, Matt Langle was a teammate of mine at Penny, got the Colgate head coaching job.
Host:And that was the first, like, my conversation with him.
Host:I hit him up and I said, hey, Matt, what do you think about me going to Temple and taking your job, the assistant coaching job at Temple, you know, not knowing how the carousel works and how crazy the carousel is and how hard it is.
Host:And he was like, well, you have no shot at that.
Host:But have you thought about Colgate?
Host:And I was like, no.
Host:What's.
Host:What, Where's Colgate?
Host:So looked up Colgate, did some research, and then realized, like, oh, wow, this.
Host:This is the only chance I see that I will actually be able to come in at a spot that makes sense for a guy that I.
Host:That I respect immensely and be able to do this if I really want to do it.
Host:So.
Host:So I ended up, you know, thinking about it.
Host:I had a new girlfriend at the time who's now my wife, so that was a little tricky.
Host:As I said, Life, life decisions.
Host:But just, you know, in talking to people I trust, they were like, you gotta, you gotta go for it.
Host:They're like, you gotta, you gotta try.
Host:You love it.
Host:You gotta give it a shot.
Host:So I ended up calling that back and pushing pretty hard, saying, like, this is.
Host:This is it.
Host:Let's do this.
Host:Like you, I'm ready.
Host:And I think he was shocked by that.
Host:I think he was like, why?
Host:Like, you have a great finance job, you got a good life.
Host:What are you thinking?
Host:But I think, you know, years later he would say it was the right decision because I have a passion for it.
Host:And, and it ended up all working out to this point.
Host:So.
Host:So I'm glad I did it.
Host:But it was, there was, you know, it had to.
Host:We, we moved quickly because obviously Matt gets the job and a new head coach wants to get going right away.
Host:So when I got involved and had to make the decision, I came back pretty quickly to him because I didn't want him to pick somebody else.
Host:Right.
Host:You know, these things move quickly.
Host:If you, if you got your guy and then you wait two weeks, well, you, you're not.
Host:I wasn't that high on his list.
Host:I'm sure that he would wait for me.
Host:So I knew I had to act quickly and.
Host:And the rest is history.
Mike Clesing:What was the learning curve like going from a part time assistant?
Mike Clesing:As you said, some of the things that maybe a full time assistant coach may have done that you maybe weren't doing at Stevens, that when you jump in full go at Colgate, what was that learning curve like?
Mike Clesing:What were some areas that you felt like, man, I really got to get up to speed on these things initially coming out of the gate.
Host:It's not what you would think it was.
Host:At least at the time.
Host:I didn't.
Host:It was more.
Host:And again, Matt is one of the best coaches in the country, but from the first meeting, it was always about, how are our guys?
Host:Who do we need to be thinking about?
Host:Like, and as a guy that would show up for practice and do strategy and workouts and, you know, yell at the guys for not being in help position and then go home because I wasn't there during the day, that was like the biggest thing that I was like, oh, coaching is only a little bit about basketball, right?
Host:Because Matt, he'd been through it.
Host:He, you know, he knew.
Host:So that was the first thing that I was like, oh, man, like, there's so much more to coaching than X's and O's really and knowing the game.
Host:So that was number One, just like the, the mindset of our players, the, the, the, the being of our players, like how they were doing.
Host:The culture.
Host:I guess culture would be the right word for that.
Host:And, and that was number one.
Host:Number two is just the recruiting, right?
Host:And, and when I talked to coach Dunphy about making the jump, he was like, the, you know, the, one of the biggest adjustments you'll have is recruiting because you haven't done it.
Host:Like, I didn't really do it at Stevens.
Host:And he's like, but I'm not, I'm very confident you'll figure that out.
Host:But I didn't realize exactly what that meant until, you know, you get to Colgate and Matt is like, okay, we sit down, we go over our roster.
Host:He's like, we have one guy that can handle the ball.
Host:We need a point guard in the next month.
Host:And we're like scouring through services and calling anybody that will like, do you have anybody left in May?
Host:You know, this was before the portal was like huge.
Host:Anybody left in May that can, that can be a backup point guard, right?
Host:And I'm like, I, I don't know anybody.
Host:I haven't been out like on the road, so I'm like looking through lists and look, you know, so I, I realized how difficult recruiting can be when you don't know, when you don't have.
Host:Now it's a whole different story.
Host:I, I, I know so many coaches in like high school and AU coaches in business, they reach out to me and, and there's just like, it's just a lot easier when you've had the experience.
Host:But the first year, I mean, I just remember getting in the office at that time.
Host:There was like DVDs and a couple YouTube clips and just trying to find players, watching highlights, watching full game, reaching out to players.
Host:And it was, it was, it was eye opening how, how much hard work recruiting is like, it never stops.
Mike Clesing:How long did it take you to get a handle on the type of player or the level of player that you needed to recruit at Colgate?
Mike Clesing:Because I always think when I sit down, I'm watching players.
Mike Clesing:Like, again, anybody who knows basketball, you can walk in the gym, you can be like, okay, I know this kid can play.
Mike Clesing:I, I watch this game and I can immediately pick out the best player, whether they're, the average fan might look at it and say, oh, this kid's scoring a ton of points, or this kid's not making any bet, whatever.
Mike Clesing:But you and I both know that you can kind of eyeball and know that hey, that kid.
Mike Clesing:That kid could play.
Mike Clesing:That kid can't play.
Mike Clesing:But there's another level of that kid can play.
Mike Clesing:But can he play at Colgate or can he play at North Carolina or can he play at nyu?
Dave Klatsky:There's a dip.
Mike Clesing:All those different things kind of fit in.
Mike Clesing:So how long did it take you to get a feel for the level of player that you needed to recruit at Colgate?
Dave Klatsky:If that question makes any sense?
Host:No, absolutely.
Host:Absolutely.
Host:And I think by my end of tenure at Colgate, it was like clockwork, right?
Host:Especially because I had been working with Matt for so long, so I knew exactly what he wanted.
Host:But I don't know if there's an exact time period.
Host:I will give you a couple stories about failing and realizing why I failed.
Host:But two of my top recruits in probably my first year or two were great players, like unbelievable players.
Host:You know, the kid I'm thinking of right now was from Texas.
Host:And nobody wanted them.
Host:Nobody wanted them.
Host:I saw something in him, recruited him hard.
Host:At the end of the day, he ended up choosing New Hampshire.
Host:And it just like, I just couldn't get out.
Host:Like, why, like why, why was he choosing New Hampshire over Colgate?
Host:Right.
Host:He's telling me he wants academics and no offense, like, nothing against New Hampshire, but it's not the same level of academics as Colgate.
Host:The, the levels were similar at the time, but I just, I, I, I couldn't figure it out.
Host:And then another kid we had and the visit couldn't have gone better.
Host:Awesome player, ended up going to Ball State.
Host:So again we, I lost to Ball State and to New Hampshire and I was just like, what?
Host:Like I'm recruiting the wrong kid.
Host:Right?
Host:And that was like something that I had to realize that I can't just go by talent level alone because fit is so important.
Host:And those kids didn't belong at Colgate.
Host:They clearly chose the other school.
Host:You know, one was from Indiana, and once an Indiana school got involved, he was going to Ball State and the other one wanted a big school and Colgate wasn't that.
Host:And at least that's what they're telling me at the time.
Host:And I asked, I remember having conversations with them and their parents and they being like, we love you guys.
Host:We think it's a great, great school.
Host:We think you guys are on the come up, but it's just, we need this.
Host:And, and that, that hurt because I didn't do my homework.
Host:I didn't know that, that we had no chance.
Host:Essentially, we had no chance.
Host:Even though the talent, those kids, these Kids would have been all league.
Host:It.
Host:It didn't matter.
Host:So it.
Host:It really changed how I approach things from that point on of, like, all right, I gotta do my homework early before I waste all my time getting a kid that, yeah, talent wise is good, and he's a good kid and he'll fit culture wise.
Host:But he's not coming to Colgate.
Host:Like, he's.
Host:He's.
Host:He's not coming to Colgate for whatever reason it is.
Host:So, yeah, that.
Host:That was a.
Host:A big thing that I learned early.
Host:And like I said, by the end, I could talk to somebody and know right away, like, this is.
Host:This is a possible Colgate kid.
Host:We didn't win every.
Host:Every recruiting battle.
Host:We've won hardly any of them, but at least I knew that, like, we could.
Host:He would come.
Host:He would come to Colgate.
Host:So that was.
Host:That was a big difference between probably my first two years and then every year after.
Mike Clesing:Honestly, parts of your 11 seasons there at Colgate, what would you say are the two or three things that you learned about what it takes to be a great assistant coach?
Mike Clesing:So when you're trying to define what makes a great assistant coach, what are the qualities that you saw that you tried to develop that.
Mike Clesing:Now when you look for an assistant for your program or you just think about what makes a great assistant, what are those key qualities?
Host:Well, I want to start off by saying I'm not sure I was a great assistant, but I tried my hardest, and I tried to give everything I could for the better of the.
Host:The betterment of the program.
Host:And I think some of the things that I.
Host:That I tried to do that I now look for is one, give ideas with no ego.
Host:Meaning, like, I, like, even as an assistant, like me and Matt and the staff, like, there would be heated arguments where, like, I'm saying one thing.
Host:Matt, you're wrong.
Host:He's saying, no, you're wrong.
Host:And then the other assistant's like, no, you're both wrong.
Host:And giving another point of view and.
Host:And then, like, giving our ideas but having, like, 10 minutes or like five.
Host:Five seconds later, maybe not five seconds, like, 10 minutes later, just be like, all right, I'm on board with.
Host:With you, Matt.
Host:Like, that's right.
Host:We can.
Host:We can hatch it out in here.
Host:You know how I stand.
Host:But I'm.
Host:I got your.
Host:I got your back.
Host:And.
Host:And I don't think there's any, like, you could ask him this.
Host:I don't think there's any time that I ever went against him outside of that office, ever.
Host:You know, because he's the boss and my job was to give him ideas, which I, I gave plenty of and was rejected plenty of times.
Host:But he also took a lot of the ideas too.
Host:So there is some give and take there that I think a good assistant, you, you have to be okay with.
Host:Like, you know, and he's amazing with it.
Host:I'm sure.
Host:I'm not of being like, almost like, suggestion noted.
Host:We're not going to use that, you know, because you hear something that you disagree with and you immediately want like, no, you're wrong.
Host:But he had a way of like not making me feel like self conscious about bringing those ideas.
Host:And sometimes he used them, sometimes he didn't.
Host:So I, I try and I try and use that.
Host:But I'm sure if you asked my staff, I'm not as cordial with, with those decisions, but I try to be because I know I want those, I want those decision or those ideas to be thrown at me.
Host:And then sometimes I'm gonna use them, sometimes I'm not.
Host:So I think that's a really big one.
Host:Is, is don't let your ego get in the way when you're rejected from, from one of your ideas that you know is right, even though you're never.
Host:The reality is you're, you're not always right.
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Mike Clesing:Tell me about the opportunity at nyu.
Mike Clesing:Had you been actively looking for.
Dave Klatsky:A.
Mike Clesing:Head coaching position at that point?
Mike Clesing:Was it just that NYU ended up being the perfect opportunity?
Mike Clesing:Just tell me a little bit about the process of how you end up at nyu.
Host:I always felt that, that I was in a weird spot up in Hamilton after about like six, seven years when we were starting to get better.
Host:Because every year I would be like, next year we're gonna be awesome.
Host:Like, I love our team.
Host:I don't want to leave, but I also don't want to be an assistant coach at Colgate for 25 years.
Host:So I really was stuck in my own Head about, like, what do I do with my career, with my life?
Host:Because I don't want to leave.
Host:Because literally every subsequent year I'd be like, all the guys coming back.
Host:I love our recruiting class and I think we can win again.
Host:And maybe we win a game in the tournament and then maybe something bigger happens.
Host:And I'm loving life.
Host:So.
Host:So I was always trying not to be a grass is greener, greener type guy, but, you know, in the back of my head I was also like, I need more.
Host:I want to, I want to do this.
Host:I want to be a head coach or an assistant at a higher level or anything.
Host:I just, I wanted something else.
Host:So I interviewed for a bunch of D3 jobs over probably year four to year 11, and then, you know, a couple D1s that never really got anywhere, just like initial conversations and things like that, but got rejected pretty much by all the D1s.
Host:And, and some of the assistant coaching jobs that I was offered just didn't make sense.
Host:They were more lateral.
Host:And like I said, I just, I, every year I was like, I, I, I, I think we can be good again.
Host:And, and I don't want to leave this to go start over somewhere else that is trying to turn what we just did.
Host:So it was a long process.
Host:And then by year 11, we had just won our third and four years and I was really, really struck with, like, I, I don't know what to do.
Host:Like, I just interviewed for Lafayette and made like the final 10, but not the final five, and was just really upset about that.
Host:And, and then, you know, that's, that's how fate has it, I guess.
Host:But got rejected and probably 24 hours later got a call from, from someone that knows someone in the program and was like, this is like, what do you think of nyu?
Host:And I was like, it's great, but I'm not getting it.
Host:Like, I'm so down.
Host:But I was excited about it.
Host:Obviously nyu for me personally, I'm from New Jersey, lived in New York for eight years, so was excited about it, but was also just so beaten down by all the jobs I didn't get that I wasn't confident that I would have a chance.
Host:So.
Host:But luckily the AD Stuart, who's actually no longer the AD here, saw something to me and moved forward with me.
Mike Clesing:What questions did you have for them in the interview process?
Mike Clesing:Because obviously they have a lot of questions for you, but as you said, you had a pretty good situation going, even though you sort of had an idea that, hey, I want to look for.
Mike Clesing:Look for something, but clearly you wanted it to be the right something.
Mike Clesing:So what were the questions that you wanted to know from them so that if you were offered the job, you'd feel confident that it was a place you could go in and run the program the way you wanted to and have the kind of success that you guys are having.
Host:Yeah, if it was more.
Host:More questions just about the team, I guess the culture of what was there, like, why, why, why, why hasn't.
Host:Hasn't NYU been able to climb to the level that I think I thought.
Host:And a lot of outsiders thought the women's program was doing it.
Host:And there's a lot of.
Host:There's a lot of answers for that.
Host:And just hearing their.
Host:Their responses, and some of it was circumstantial.
Host:Some of it was unlucky.
Host:You know, now that I'm meeting some of the alumni that they've been.
Host:They were picked to win, you know, a couple years in a row back in the, like, 06 to 09 or whatever it was, and just a couple bounces here and there, and it didn't happen.
Host:So I was just more.
Host:More concerned with just, okay, what am I missing from the outside that you guys might know on the inside that there might be some obstacles that I'm not thinking of.
Host:And.
Host:And just hearing some of the, like, the corporate.
Host:Corporate stuff and the bureaucracy was good to hear, but I.
Host:At the end of the day, I didn't think it was anything that would be a.
Host:A hurdle that you couldn't climb over.
Host:I understand stood.
Host:It was very difficult.
Host:I mean, I talk about this a lot with.
Host:With.
Host:With people, but, you know, for seven years, they didn't have a gym.
Host:So how hard must it via recruit to like, oh, yeah, we're gonna.
Host:We're gonna travel to Brooklyn, and then we're gonna go to Pace, and then next year we're gonna play at Hunter.
Host:And, like, I just.
Host:I can't imagine how hard that must have been for the last two stabs.
Host:So it just.
Host:Some of the stuff was just, like, very difficult, and the timing wasn't right to them, and it was for me.
Mike Clesing:When you get the job and you decide you're gonna take it, what are the first things on your list that you've got to establish that you want to put in place to start the program moving in the direction that you wanted it to go?
Host:Yeah.
Host:Yeah, it was a really chaotic couple months because obviously your life.
Host:You have life at this point.
Host:I had two kids or three kids.
Host:We just had a Baby, so you're just juggling a lot of different things, but for the team aspect of it, I really wanted to establish like that we were about you to the, to the team.
Host:So the first thing, one of the first things I did is I tried to schedule trips to as many kids I could knock out to meet them and their parents as I could.
Host:So again, like, it's not an unlimited budget in Division 3, so I had to, I had to get creative.
Host:Like there was a, a clinic out out west and we had three kids from Los Angeles.
Host:So I was able to go to the clinic, recruit, and then for breakfast the next day, meet one of my freshmen and then at dinner after I was done, go meet one of the juniors, you know, and, and, and tried to be creative with that and was able to probably, you know, the 12 to 13 returning players or not even the freshman too.
Host:So we probably had a roster of 15.
Host:I probably got to about eight or nine face to face, whether it was just going over their house and saying hello or grabbing a coffee with them.
Host:And then the other five or six that, you know, I couldn't get creative with, I did zooms with just to introduce myself.
Host:I hadn't recruited any of these kids.
Host:So when you go through the recruiting process, you meet the parents, you meet the important people in their lives, you meet them.
Host:So to me, I thought it was really important just to have the parents see me meet me, understand that, you know, their kids are in good hands even though I didn't recruit them.
Host:So that was, that was, that took up probably the first couple months.
Host:Obviously it wasn't back to back to back to back because you're moving and recruiting and doing all that stuff.
Host:But that was one of the first things I did that I, I'm looking back, I think was, was pretty valuable.
Mike Clesing:Within the university structure.
Mike Clesing:Did you have to get on board that was maybe outside of directly the basketball program that you felt you needed to have their support in order to get this thing going.
Host:I didn't really face any people that were, I guess, I mean, against you.
Host:I felt supported from day one.
Host:Again, I think it helped the AD that hired me really wanted me to succeed.
Host:I think that is pretty obvious.
Host:If the AD hires you, he wants you to succeed.
Host:So he was great in talking through things with me.
Host:If I asked for something, being like, well, we can't do that, but what about this?
Host:And because I come with some crazy ideas and, you know, I get the answer, well, if we do that for you, we got to do that for all 25 of our teams.
Host:And I'm like, oh, yeah, forgot about that equity thing and asking that question, but I'm going to ask and I'm going to try and get things for our program and help them the most I can.
Host:But yeah, I didn't really feel that there was anybody that I was just like, banging heads, you know, like just somebody that was like, against me or I felt like everybody wanted me to succeed.
Host:And that's partly why we have succeeded because, you know, upper management and staff and even the coaches, like the other coaches have been great and we all want each other to do well and, and it's fun.
Host:It's fun when everybody's good.
Host:And right now, NYU is doing pretty well in a lot of different sports investment.
Mike Clesing:For you going from assistant coach to head coach, was it easy as you thought it was going to be?
Mike Clesing:Was it as difficult as you thought it was going to be?
Mike Clesing:What was that transition like for you both from just a mental standpoint, the conversation inside your own head?
Host:I was at Colgate.
Host:I, I, Matt again afforded me a lot of opportunities to do things that head coaches do.
Host:So I was comfortable in a lot of different things in terms of, you know, meeting with our players and, and bringing them to, you know, when things are bad, having one on ones with them and talking to alumni and, and, and running, you know, coaching the team at times and giving ideas for practice and all that stuff.
Host:So I felt a lot of the things over the years I was ready for, but what I wasn't ready for was just the decisions that go into coaching.
Host:Just everything, like, everything just falls back on you.
Host:When you're an assistant, you throw all these things at the head coach and then he makes the final decision.
Host:But, you know, I didn't realize how many decisions there's are, right.
Host:And I'm not even talking about like, what play to run or who to sub.
Host:Like, those are, those are real too.
Host:But again, I, me and, me and the staff and Matt, we, we worked on those things all the time at Colgate.
Host:So you have a grasp of that, but just like, all right, what are we doing?
Host:What time do we need to get ready?
Host:At what?
Host:What are we eating?
Host:What, what's the best thing to do between days?
Host:Like, oh, should we have a hard practice?
Host:And easy, like all those things, you have to make the final decision with the input from your staff.
Host:And I guess I just took for granted that Bobby and Josh, the three head coaches I worked for before, just, they just took my input and made a decision not necessarily what I agreed with, but all those decisions really weigh on you because they all come back to you when you're the head coach.
Host:They all come back on you.
Mike Clesing:Tell me about your coaching philosophy in terms of how you want to play on the floor, offensively and defensively.
Mike Clesing:How did you put that together as you're preparing for your first opportunity to, as you said, be the final decision maker?
Mike Clesing:It's no longer you giving suggestions of, hey, I think we should try this, or maybe here's something that we should look at.
Mike Clesing:Now you're getting to put out on the floor a product that represents you in the way that you want to play.
Mike Clesing:So how did you put together that thought process, that philosophy of how you wanted your teams to look and play out on the floor?
Host:I'll start with offense because that's obviously more fun and we've been better at offense over the years, so I'll start with that and touch on defense a little bit after that.
Host:But for me, offensively, it's all about efficiency and that includes getting great shots.
Host:Number one.
Host:Like that is the focal point of every team that I've been an assistant on and a head coach on is we have to take great shots.
Host:And again, I'm very analytical.
Host:I study the stats a lot.
Host:So in the back of my mind, my head works in numbers.
Host:I try not to talk too much about that with my players, but they obviously know that now.
Host:But just getting the best shots possible.
Host:So we took this from Colgate, but getting our shot, and that might mean you like, if you have the ball and you have the right shot for the team, shoot it right.
Host:Or it might mean like one extra pass to a more open guy, but it doesn't mean coming off a ball screen with 18 on the clock and rising up and taking a mid range that is slightly challenged.
Host:Like, I, I know that you can make that shot, but like our offense is unstoppable, so why would you shoot that when you can get that with five seconds left?
Host:So like just that message constantly getting across to our guys of like, yes, I know that's an okay shot, but like, that's a great shot.
Host:We want the great shot.
Host:Let's let the other team take the okay shot and, and, and we'll take the great shot.
Host:So that's been a huge part of, of what we do.
Host:It's what we did at Penn as a player, it's what we did at Colgate, and we've now taken that to nyu and it's been fun to watch because you know, I tell people all the time that, like, we've had a couple different cycles at Colgate and Colgate's offense was always at the top of the Patriot League and now at nyu, I was nervous, I'm not going to lie.
Host:We had the player of the year and Spencer Friedman last year, who is, you know, one of the most efficient players in the country.
Host:And losing him, I was like, I don't know if this mantra and this offense is built for without him.
Host:And our offense has been great again.
Host:And so it just gives me confidence again that it's, it's the players matter.
Host:We have really good talent.
Host:Not going to sugarcoat that.
Host:But it also is about sharing the ball and taking the right shot and getting opportunities that are high percentage shots.
Host:So there's my offensive philosophy.
Host:The defensive philosophy is just exactly the opposite of that.
Host:To try and force teams into, and bait them into taking low percentage shots, which, you know, sometimes teams will do it on their own and then sometimes teams are good and they're very good offensively and you gotta, you know, pick your poison, right?
Host:Like we just played Brandeis who was, if they're not top five in the country on offense, they're top 15.
Host:And we talked about that.
Host:Like, this isn't a game where you're just going to stop them, but you have to make them take the toughest shots that you can and they still might hit them.
Host:Now we got Emery coming up on Friday and same thing, like they're, they're just electric.
Host:So we're going to try our best to make them take shots that are high percentage shots.
Mike Clesing:Talk to me a little bit about practice design, keeping in mind those two things that you just talked about, offensively and defensively.
Mike Clesing:When you sit down to plan a practice, what do you have a set structure that you like to go through in your practices?
Mike Clesing:Just what's your process for putting the practice plan together and then what's the structure of how you like to put the practices together?
Host:Yeah, Yep, yep.
Host:Practice is obviously more important than games.
Host:As a coach, you can only do so much in games.
Host:So I love practices.
Host:Generally we start practice every practice.
Host:You want to dribble, pass and shoot.
Host:So we'll start practice with a dribbling drill, we'll have a passing drill, and then we're shooting a lot in practice.
Host:Like we shoot, we have two or three drills we do every single day.
Host:And then, you know, sometimes we'll throw another one in there.
Host:But it's always a, it's always a build up so we'll start, like I said, we'll start with a dribbling drill and then maybe a passenger drill.
Host:Then maybe a three on zero dummy one side of concepts, you know, like a dribble handoff or a back door handle.
Host:You know, back one guy goes back door, then you hand off to the next and 3,040type stuff.
Host:And then we'll start to get competitive.
Host:Then we'll, you know, we'll break down the post perimeter and then we'll do something more competitive.
Host:Five on five shell or five and five up and down.
Host:Every day we'll have a transition drill in there just to work on offensive transition, defensive transition.
Host:And we compete.
Host:We compete at everything, basically.
Host: ummy drill where you're doing: Host:And it might be trying to beat a number, right?
Host:Like in our passing drills, how many passes can we get in two minutes, right?
Host:Like that's.
Host:And we try and beat our number from the day before.
Host:Sometimes it's five on five competing and.
Host:And in an up and down drill.
Host:So we keep score of everything.
Host:Love seeing the guys compete.
Host:I think that's at the, at the bones of it.
Host:What I want, any program I'm involved in is I want guys that just compete, they play to win, and they figure out what it takes to win.
Host:Um, and the more you compete, the more you figure that out.
Host:And, and that's generally what our practices look like.
Mike Clesing:All right.
Mike Clesing:To go along with that competitiveness piece, how do you think about developing leaders in your program and trying to give guys on your team the opportunity to develop as leaders?
Mike Clesing:Obviously you're the leader of the program, but how do you provide space for your guys to lead and how do you encourage them and just give them the blueprint for what it likes to be a great leader on the floor?
Host:We do give our guys a lot of chances, I think is the best way to put that.
Host:And again this year we have two captains, but every year I'll make the speech that leadership comes in a lot of different ways.
Host:So just because you have a C on your shirt or the captain status doesn't mean that somebody else can't lead in a different way.
Host:But some of the things we do is I'll give the guys like a chance, right?
Host:To.
Host:To.
Host:I'll be like, you guys get together, you got a minute, figure it out, you know, and just so somebody, somebody in that huddle has to speak up and lead and, and can't rely on me.
Host:All the time.
Host:The other day, I was like, okay, three seconds left.
Host:You got the ball on, like, a weird spot.
Host:End of game.
Host:No, you got nothing for me.
Host:You got 10 seconds to get together.
Host:Like, so somebody has to figure out what to do.
Host:Just putting them in positions to think a little bit.
Host:So that's.
Host:That's more on the court and then off the court.
Host:When we meet individually with guys, we're talking about all the things they can do, just whether it's basketball or not basketball.
Host:Talk about, like, how you can respond to a different situation that might have happened on our team or another team that I've heard of and be like, what would you do?
Host:And then talk them through what some ideas.
Host:I would never say there's a right and a wrong way to lead, but just, like, your personality, like, what can you do if this happens?
Host:We did it.
Host:We do an exercise every year.
Host:This year, we did something that Coach Kaski, I stole from him because I was a little worried about our transfers and, like, our new guard and old guard getting along.
Host:And I asked him, how'd you deal with the one and dones when.
Host:When he started to do that?
Host:And he gave me a suggestion that pair him up, you know, one new guy, one old guy, and.
Host:And let them get to know each other, and then they present it to the team.
Host:And again, speaking in front of your peers is hard.
Host:So they each had a chance to have, you know, two to five minutes to speak in front of their peers about somebody they just talked with on their team.
Host:And I want to say at least five or six of the players started it with, I thought I knew Jimmy, but after talking to him for 40 minutes, I realized I didn't really know much about him.
Host:And it brought.
Host:It brought the team way closer, and the guys bought in.
Host:I presented this to some other teams.
Host:They're like, we can't do that.
Host:We could.
Host:Our guys wouldn't buy into that, but our guys did.
Host:And it was great to learn about them.
Host:And, And.
Host:And I think they really enjoyed it, getting to know each other a little bit more and had some fun with it.
Host:So just different.
Host:Different ways that you can be creative to let these guys think and then express themselves as well.
Mike Clesing:All right, to go back to something that you said earlier about when you were at Colgate, in terms of being able to recruit the right guy and knowing that, hey, is this kid really going to be a kid that's going to come to Colgate?
Mike Clesing:I would guess that NYU has a similar vibe in that there's Some guys that would love to go to school in New York City, and then you have other guys that you could probably talk to and immediately know this kid's never going to want to come to school in New York City.
Mike Clesing:So talk a little bit about just that piece of it.
Mike Clesing:In terms of recruiting, how quickly can you get to that, hey, this kid, I know, I know, I know he's going to buy into the New York City vibe.
Mike Clesing:And then there's another kid that maybe doesn't.
Mike Clesing:So just talk a little bit about that.
Mike Clesing:When it comes to recruiting there at.
Host:Nyu, it's way easier to figure that out in nyu, I think, because New York City is so unique and some kids don't want a city and it's like, okay, well then we're definitely not for you.
Host:And that's okay.
Host:That's okay.
Host:But New York City like you, you better want an urban situation because there's no hiding, there's no hiding from the city aspect of it.
Host:It's not like you could find a place like I have in New Jersey.
Host:And you're student, you're living in New York City.
Host:So it's been a little easier to locate those at NYU because of that.
Host:And then the other, the other side of that is at nyu, we have so many people reach out to us and talk about how much they want to go to nyu.
Host:So right there, that checks the box of like, oh, you reached out to us.
Host:Oh, wait, and you're really good.
Host:I, I, I can go forward with this where at Colgate, it was the opposite.
Host:We were like locating guys and then doing our homework to see, like, does this fit?
Host:Like, very rarely does, you know, someone grow up being like, I want to go to Colgate, right?
Host:But nyu, there's a lot of, there's a lot of that.
Host:So that's just the difference in brand.
Host:And, and, and I'm not saying one product's better than the other.
Host:I'm just saying just the brand, brand awareness of NYU versus Colgate has been eye opening.
Host:Eye opening.
Host:We get hit up by so many good players that immediately check that box.
Host:So we can limit their recruiting a little bit more because we don't have to, you know, talk to their math teacher and talk to their coach and then their fourth grade coach and, and figure out who they really are.
Host:And which is stuff that I was doing at Colgate.
Host:But at nyu, it's more like, oh, wait, he reached out to us.
Host:Well, yeah, we, we know he's interested now.
Mike Clesing:All right, final two, part question, Dave.
Mike Clesing:Part One, you look ahead over the next year or so, what do you see as being your biggest challenge?
Mike Clesing:And then part two, when you think about what you get to do every day, what brings you the most joy?
Mike Clesing:So your biggest challenge and then your biggest joy.
Host:I think the biggest challenge going forward will just be to keep the level of talent and culture that we have at, at this level.
Host:Honestly, it's, it's been a, a really fortunate first three years and first two and a half years.
Host:We have a lot of season left.
Host:I, I panic every day about what the rest of the season is going to look like, but so far, so good.
Host:So when I think about next year's team and what, how we've built the program, which is a lot of one year guys or two year guys.
Host:So to try and keep it at that level, knowing that you're going to have to replace some really good players and people with more really good players and people, I think that there's some luck involved in that a little bit.
Host:But we're going to try.
Host:We're going to try and keep finding these players that are really good, that want, like you said, want to be in New York City and are, and are good kids that can keep the culture where it's at.
Host:But I think it's challenging.
Host:I'm nervous about it that we can keep it, keep it at the level that we've had it the last year or so.
Host:And then the biggest joy I think is just, I just love what I do.
Host:I think coming in and being part of this group and, and imparting my knowledge that I've had over the years that I've learned and trying to pass it on and then competing with a group that I love our team this year, I really do.
Host:I tell them that.
Host:So just being able to be part of that and put so much in together to the common goal is fun.
Host:It's fun.
Host:And we might not reach our ultimate goal, we might not even reach our primary or secondary goal, but just knowing that we're in it together, I love it.
Host:It's part of the reason why coaching is so fun.
Mike Clesing:All right, Dave, before we get out, I want to give you a chance to share how people can connect with you, reach out to you, find out more about your program.
Mike Clesing:So whether you want to share, website, email, social media, whatever you feel comfortable with.
Mike Clesing:And then after you do that, I'll jump back in and wrap things up.
Host:Sure.
Host:Yeah.
Host:I mean, my email is simple.
Host:It's Dave Klatskyu Edu.
Host:Feel free to reach out whenever to follow us.
Host:Just Google NYU men's basketball.
Host:I, I'd love to see anybody at some games or anything like that.
Host:But you know, if I can help anybody in any way that I was helped along the way, which was by a lot of different people, I'd love to, I'd love to do that.
Host:So feel free to reach out.
Host:But you know, it's, it's, it's fun doing these podcasts, talk a little bit, talking hoops.
Host:So I, I appreciate you having me on Mike.
Host:And hopefully, hopefully people listen.
Mike Clesing:Absolutely.
Mike Clesing:I'm sure they will.
Mike Clesing:Dave, can't thank you enough for taking the time out of your schedule tonight to jump on with us.
Mike Clesing:Really appreciate it.
Mike Clesing:And to everyone out there, thanks for listening and we will catch you on our next episode.
Mike Clesing:Thanks.
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