It's Season 12, Episode 4, American Nightmare, and we are not running scared to talk about how uncomfortable this episode made us. We discuss the running SPN theme of "What is a Monster?" and "Didn't we already decide what a monster was back in season 2?" Also, what DID happen to Sam's psychic abilities? Liz explains what stigmata is, and then tells Diana about one of the most famous stigmatized Saints, Padre Pio of Italy.

Research Links

• Stigmatize - Etymology, Origin & Meaning
• Padre Pio - Wikipedia
• Padre Pio: 13 facts about St. Pio of Pietrelcina to know and share | Catholic News Agency
• Padre Pio | Feast Day, Patron Saint Of, Miracles, Shrine, & Facts | Britannica
• Mystics of the Church: Teresa Musco -Stigmatic, mystic & victim soul
• 10 Infamous Cases Of Stigmata - Listverse

On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.

It's an American nightmare and we're all in rat hell.

Let's do this.

Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.

I'm Diana.

And I'm Liz.

And we're going to Talk Season 12 Episode 4, American Nightmare.

Running scared.

Yeah, I feel like it's like this does not feel like a holiday episode, but that's okay.

So you're okay?

It's, it's, you know, during, I mean, winter solstice has already passed so I mean we're already through most of the holiday season.

So.

What have you been up to, Liz?

You know, just, I say, you know, it's frolicking through the winter snow and.

It'S.

The seasons are so messed up that my orb weaver spider has laid a second, second sack of.

I guess, you know, she, she's amazing and is a beautiful like peach colored sack of eggs that is hanging above my door.

But now I'm sad that, I mean she's probably gonna die soon because typically spiders don't live that long after, after they do that.

But you know, I have faith.

Maybe, but soon hundreds of spiders will come out of that little sack and float away and float to your houses.

No, too far.

I will send you one of my little familiar spiders, Diana.

All the way up, up 35.

It'll be in his little.

I was stuck in traffic.

It'll be fine.

It's never gonna go by Bucky's.

Which.

How many times?

Because like you can go to more than one Bucky's.

It can go to more than one Bucky.

So it's gonna have a little adventure.

On the way up there.

But yeah, and beyond that, it's, it's, you know, during, like the end of December, I think everything kind of slows down.

Yeah, I agree.

So, and, and, and what about you?

I know you've been slowing down.

Yeah, well, I kind of have to slow down.

Well, I'm in full, like I'm a, you know, me, I'm a little ball of, of holiday cheer.

So I'm, and I say that like it sounds like I'm being sarcastic.

I love holidays.

I'm about that shit.

I sparkled up all over the place in my house.

But I also got a new knee the other day, so I'm having to move a little slower than I'm used to.

And.

Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Kind of crazy.

My, my new dream is to set off a metal detector with my knee.

Would that Be cool.

That'll be cool.

But also because you're a woman, nobody will care.

Yeah, it's true.

95% of the metal detectors I set off, people just look at me and wave me through.

I know.

They're like, yeah, whatever.

It's funny.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So.

And you're going to be like, but.

But I want you to wand my knee really badly, please.

But, yeah, so, no, that's a.

That's.

I guess that's a.

That's a lot of excitement.

So we're going to stick with that.

That's what I got.

This is pretty big.

You have a new body part.

I do.

It's crazy.

It's weird, but I'm glad I did it.

I mean, I will be gladder I did it later.

Right now it's kind of just like, there's a lot of medication and restrictions and I'm using a walker.

I don't know.

Doesn't sound great right this minute, but I'm excited for the future.

Yes.

The future of your knee.

Yes.

There we go.

All the.

All the running you will do on it.

Yeah, sure.

That's what I'm planning on doing.

That's not why.

That's not why you got a new knee to go run marathons.

Yeah.

No pass.

Hard pass, but that's okay.

Oh, man.

But, yeah.

Why don't you tell us about this episode?

Yeah.

So American Nightmare, this really is.

Is.

If you.

If you didn't hear the lyrics I was making fun of, this really is a song by the Misfits.

And the writer of the episode tweeted a link to it.

So he really was referring to the Misfit songs, American Nightmare.

And if you think about the lyrics to that song, you know, basic theme is about a dude who chops his girlfriend's head with an ax, so.

And then.

And then runs on a highway and, like, there's things with the devil in it.

So maybe, like, that's what, you know, has to do with it.

He hasn't done anything this season.

Last season, we were only on episode four.

Last season he did episode six, Our Little World, and he did a couple in season 10, including hall and Catch Fire and Paint It Black.

And this was written, as I said, by David Perez.

And this was his first episode of Supernatural.

Recently, he's become a writer and producer for Star Trek Strange New World, but he is an East LA boy and he grew up watching horror movies, playing guitar with local punk Bands, and he was in sketch and improv groups.

He was expelled from four different high schools and passed the GED and supported himself working odd jobs in production, which I always think is really, really cool.

And then he did a bunch of good stuff, blah, blah, blah.

That you go look at his IMDb if you.

That's what I'm reading from, if you want to read more.

But yeah, I always glad to have a.

A fellow punk rocker in that.

So that way we get some.

Some nods to that.

And then we're gonna go right into our recap.

And our recap is reaching far back into the archives.

Way back.

We are back to Sam and all of his fellow psychics that he has discovered along the way.

All those, like, what the hell happened to Sam's psychic abilities?

We just forgot about those, right?

Like, yeah.

Does he have those anymore?

Did they get tortured out of him?

I don't know.

I. I love in this episode, even he's not sure.

He's not sure.

He's not.

So spoiler alert, that happens later in this episode.

So.

All right, we opened.

Anything else in the recap?

Sorry.

Oh, just mom leaving.

And Dean said.

Yeah, okay.

So we open.

Zoomed in on the stained glass windows of a church, which just makes me nervous because I just feel like it's just gonna break.

But.

But they don't.

But they don't.

It doesn't.

That's just what I'm automatically going, like, how are you going to destroy the stained glass?

But it seems.

Yeah, it seems to be in the middle of the day.

We're in Mason City, Iowa, and there's like, a priest doing his incense thing in the middle of his church.

Yeah.

And a woman doing her, you know, praying the rosary.

And a crying woman enters the room, and she is bleeding from the centers of her hands, from her feet.

And she appears to be getting whipped and is by something invisible and starts bleeding from the back.

So we have what we would assume out the gate is signs of a stigmata, if you're something like those kind of things.

But yeah, if you follow those kind of things.

Like, I was like, oh, it's a stigmata.

And I'm like, oh, wait, they don't talk about that yet in this episode.

But, yeah, that's what it is.

So.

And she falls at the feet of the priest, and she starts bleeding from her ears and from her face, from her forehead and yelling about how they're all guilty and collapses and speaks another language.

And then collapses.

Yeah, she's speaking in tongues, and it's Very distressing.

And she is on the floor, and it's just blood and like this.

Gross.

And we get a little title card.

And this time, the boys are coming in hard as pretty priests.

And so.

And they're just not even trying anymore.

Is Father De Niro and Father Pen.

Yeah.

Not even trying.

And they're.

They're about.

They're asking the priest about Olivia Sanchez.

That's the woman's name that we saw collapse.

And he's like, I'm not talking about it anymore.

Because apparently he had gone to the press and the church and the media were in.

The public basically thought he was cuckoo.

Yeah.

Because he said it was a devil's work.

And the boys start asking him questions, and then he's surprised by the questions that they're asking, but they're just going straight into the.

Well, Was there any smoke?

Was there any sulfur?

That.

And then Sam's just like.

That tongue didn't sound like Hebrew.

That sounds like aromatic.

Yeah.

And we find out also that this priest knew her.

So he knew, like, this was.

You know, it couldn't.

It was not something that she necessarily.

He didn't believe.

It was something she did necessarily.

So.

Yeah.

And so Sam and Dean are going to leave the church.

And they're like, well, this is not a demon, surprisingly so.

Could it be a rogue angel?

Who knows?

So Dean's going to call Cass, and they agree that it's really weird.

And then he's obsessively texting mom with no answer.

Yeah.

He's sending her really weird texts that I wouldn't even send to people I was trying to date.

This is very uncomfortable that he's sending them to his mom.

And Cass has then told Dean that he has teamed up with Crowley and Lucifer is now the master of Butt Rock.

Yeah.

Good old Vince Vincenti.

And we learned that Sam's kind of a fan.

Sam's into this and thinks it's cool.

And Dean is unimpressed.

Not a fan.

Thinks it's lame.

Especially because Vince Vincenzi Vincente once had purple hair down to his butt and a spiked cod piece.

Yeah.

You know, the 80s were a. Yeah.

I appreciate a good cod piece.

Just.

So.

Yeah.

Anyway, so they're like.

Sam's like, okay, well, we need to go check on and figure out what's going on.

Olivia, that was.

She was speaking.

She was speaking Aramaic, and she was saying, save me.

Oh, God.

That's stressful.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

And Dean's like, well, from what?

Isn't that the question we all want to know Dean.

So they go to the morgue and Carl's working in the morgue and is being very helpful and Dean's being a big old dick to him.

And he's being kind of a dick to everybody and say.

And he throws poor Carl out of the room.

Sam thinks Dean has gotten cranky since Mary has left.

And they are looking at the corpse of Olivia and they have diagnosed her with, as Diana pointed out earlier, stigmata.

Stigmata.

So we're going to talk about what is stigmata and why am I going to tell him.

Talking in horrible Italian ACCENT for I'm so sorry about what's about to come.

Come.

This is lore.

All right, so what is stigmata?

So the word stigma comes from the Latin word stigma, and that is from the Greek word stigma.

Thanks.

I like.

Is that great.

That breaks it down.

So that means the mark of a pointed instrument, puncture, tattoo, mark or brand, which I did not know.

So it's related to marks or tattoos.

And that makes sense.

And according to the Encyclopedia Britannica, stigmata in Christian mysticism are bodily marks, scars or pains corresponding to those of the crucified Jesus Christ, that is on the hands, on the feet, near the heart, and sometimes on the head from the crown of thorns, or on the shoulders and back from carrying the cross and from the scor.

Scorching with the.

The whipping.

So they are often presumed to accompany religious ecstasy.

A stigmatic person may temporarily or permanently have one or more of these wound marks which may be visible or invisible to others.

From the 14th to the 20th century, more than 300 people were identified as having been stigmatized.

And that's why I looked up the kind of.

The background or the word stigma, because I was like, that's interesting.

I think that that word is.

Is stigmatized.

Yeah.

Anyhow, so more than.

Because we.

Because in pop.

In general culture, we use stigma.

Stigmatized in such a different way, but.

Yeah, right.

Very cool.

So more than 60 of those 300 persons were identified as saints in the Roman Catholic Church.

And we're going to talk about one of those who also became kind of a cult leader.

And his name is Padre Pio and he is from Piazza, Italy.

And I will not try not to offend all our time.

We do have people who've listened from Italy.

Sorry.

So sorry.

He came from a deeply religious family that attended mass daily, and he began seeing visions by the age of five, the first being the apparition of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, which I believe is the heart with the thorns around it, which would be kind of like.

That'd be a cool thing to see.

Then he had visions of the Virgin Mary, and he met his guardian angel with.

With whom he made a pact always to follow whatever missions God put before him.

While he was five, though.

Though he was very religious, his childhood was marked by illness.

First gastroenteritis at six.

Then he caught typhoid fever at 10.

He had a fever so high that his doctor informed his mother he had only hours to live.

His mother, distraught as she was, still had to cook food for all the workers.

So she made fried chiles, but the workers couldn't eat them.

They were too spicy and.

But the smell of fried chiles lowered sick Francis from his bed, and he ate them all.

Then he returned to his bed and he became very thirsty.

His brother brought over, yeah, right over a bottle of milk, and instead of, like, the small sips that he had been taking, he downed the whole thing and.

But after that, all the signs of his fever disappeared and he became healthy again.

So he ate a buttload of really spicy chilies, and he beat typhoid fever when he was 10.

So at that age, he decided that he wanted to be a monk.

Some say that he met a monk that was out ask, you know, asking for alms in the countryside.

And that's where he got the inspiration from.

His parents supported the idea, but he needed more education than what his previous schooling had, so.

So his father hired private tutors, traveling to America to work, to work, to pay for the bills.

So he would like.

His dad left them, went to America and was sending money back so he could get private tutoring.

He continued to be sick and to battle demons.

Father Gabriel Amorth said in his book on Padre Pio, the devil appeared to him under many different forms as a big black cat, wild and threatening, or as a repulsive animal, in the clear intention to frighten him under the appearance of naked and provocative young girls who danced obscene dances, obviously detest the chastity of the young priest.

However, the worst was when the devil took on the appearance of his spiritual director or poses.

Jesus, the Virgin Mary, or St. Francis.

So as a young kid, he's seeing a lot of stuff.

Yeah, sure, sure is.

All right.

At the age of 15, he entered the monastery of the Capuchin friars at Morcone, which.

Where he took the name Pio to honor Pope Pius I, whose relics he often saw at his local chapter chapel.

Two years later, he became so sick he could only eat milk and cheese, which I'm not sure what sickness that is.

I have not had that sickness.

I am very.

I mean, there are times where I kind of only want to have milk and cheese, but it's not a sickness.

It's.

No, usually that's going to make me sicker.

Sicker, yeah.

So still.

Still sick, though.

He's still studying for the priesthood, and during this time, he had his first bilocation.

Multiple eyewitnesses attested over the years that Padre Pio could be in multiple places at the same time.

The Virgin Mary then appeared and told him, I entrust to your care of this creature.

She is an unpolished stone.

Work in her, instruct her, make her shine as much as possible, because one day I want to adorn myself with her.

He questioned her choice, as he wasn't even a priest, and she told him not to worry about this and this girl would meet him at the Basilica of St. Peter.

Then he whooshed back to where he was praying.

Eighteen years later, that girl confessed to him at The Basilica of St. Peter.

Crazy, huh?

Padre Pio explained these supernatural occurrences just as an extension of his personality.

During World War II, there was a.

A dramatic incident this that occurred over San Giovanni Rotondo, a town that he had said he would protect.

So as American bombers approached the city ready to release their payload, a brown robed fire materialized in the hair in the air ahead of the aircra.

And when this happened, all efforts to deploy the.

Deploy the bombs failed.

Later on, one of the pilots visited the friary and to his astonishment, met the friar he had seen in the air.

Spooky, huh?

However, his illness, Illnesses kept him much at home.

But this is the first year that he received the stigmata.

While painful, they were only temporary.

Like, they kept, like, sending him, like, he kept coming back and like, sending him home.

And then finally they were just like, get out of here.

You were.

You were too sick, buddy.

Yeah, you're always a sick, sickly dude.

You're a sickly.

Witnesses who examined the resulting physical wound on his left side claimed it was three inches long and in the shape of a cross.

Then, in September, Padre received the sigmata while praying in a church.

These were not temporary and remained visible the rest of his life.

The wounds were said to have the odors, odor of sanctity and always smelled of perfume or a floral aroma.

So his wounds always smelled like roses, which is weird.

Doctors who studied them describe them as perfectly round.

I am convinced, without a doubt, that the wounds are not just superficial.

When I press my thumb together in the palm of his hand and my index finger on the back of his hand, I clearly perceived that a vacuum exists between them.

However, they were a course that said that the sigmato was a fraud.

And Padre Pio was said to have purchased large amounts of carbolic acid and the caustic veritrine.

Pio said the carbolic acid was to clean healing instruments and the veratrine was for a practical joke.

Apparently he wanted to make some friars sneeze or something with this very caustic substance.

What ifs?

So people travel from afar to see Padre Pio's wounds.

Other supernatural phenomena were attributed to him, including levitation and healing.

He was said to go days without sleep or food.

Besides the Eucharist, he could speak in tongues and had the gift of conversions.

I'm not actually sure what that is.

His popularity increased and his charisma encouraged devoted followers.

People would flock to his monastery on top of cliffs just to give him confession.

There were so many people coming that the Vatican.

Vatican banned him from celebrating the Eucharist.

They were starting to get afraid that he was getting too many followers.

And then there were also some people being like, yo.

Like, you can't have, like, these many people devoted to you and still be like a monk, priest who has vows of chastity and obedience and being pious.

Right.

But they reinstated his.

And I don't know, they just.

They took away his.

They.

They reinstated him.

Yes.

And he was once again allowed.

Allowed to.

To give mass.

And the.

The Pope was encouraging people to visit him.

Okay.

In.

Father.

This one particular Polish name But.

So this one particular Polish priest visited Padre Pio.

Weird.

Yeah.

He, however, did continue to contract illnesses, including cancer, which he miraculously cured after two treatments.

He had five rules for spiritual growth, weekly confession, daily communion, spiritual reading, meditation, and frequent examination of one's conscience.

He was very opinionated about modesty and authentic space spirituality, dismissing those in confessional who he deemed since insincere or he thought just needed to get their together.

I'm sure that is exactly how he phrased it.

Just get your together a go.

But he would also dictate how women dress.

They put a sign on his confessional.

By Padre Pio's explicit wish, women must enter his confessional wearing skirts at least 8 inches below the knees.

Whoa, that's really long.

I'd be tripping.

However, a few days before that, his sigmata disappeared, leaving no trace or scar.

His funeral was attended by over a hundred thousand people.

It is said after that mask and attack mass, an Italian boy named Matteo Pio Colella recovered from a coma.

He's so the main pilgrimage destination of where he.

Where he made the hospital.

That's where people go.

Yeah.

After his death, it became a significant pilgrimage site, so they had to add on a new shrine, and that had a capacity for 6,000 people, and it had a harvest that could hold 30,000.

That's massive.

Yeah.

Then the church is weird.

The body was described as being in fair condition, and Archbishop Domenico Umberto de Ambrosio, Papal legate to the shrine is San Giovanni Rotondo, stated, the top part of the skull is partly skeletal, but the chin is perfect and the rest of the body is well preserved.

The stigmata was not visible, however, due to the decomp, they did make a silicone mask based on a photograph of his corpse.

Instead of leaving his face out.

He was.

It was nice of them.

He was dressed in his brown capuchin habit with a white silk stole embroidered with crystals and gold thread.

They said to see his uncorrupted body was a transcendent experience.

Experience.

And if you do that, you can take home many souvenirs, including tiny water bottles that contain chemically perfumed water from the mountains.

You can get some plastic statuettes that contain his story.

There are some battery operated votive candles, some calendars, and some cigarette lighters with this picture on them.

That's really nice.

Yep.

Pope Pius VII called for this formation of everybody.

Like, we want people doing prayer groups.

Right.

So.

And Padre Pio was like, we can do that.

And it continued to grow with approximately 3, 300 registered groups in 60 countries, as the majority being, of course.

Of course, in Italy.

Yeah.

Whoa.

Yeah.

Based at San Giovanni Rotondo, it broadcasts online through its own website and various Internet platforms.

So you can still log on to Padre P O tv.

There are a ton of foundations and places that are dedicated to him.

Him.

Both him and St. Leopold were.

Were designated as saint confessors to encourage people to seek reconciliation with God.

And they had like, this weird, like, confession festival where they had, like, all these, like, wooden confessional booth set up outside the Vatican, like the kind of like, kissing.

Mass confessionals.

Mass confessionals.

Interesting.

With the corpses of these two saints there.

Yeah.

Church is kind of weird sometimes, man, I'm telling you.

But yeah, so Saint Pio is a patron saint of civil defense volunteers, and he is unofficially recognized as the patron saint of stress relief and the January blues, a designation given by the Catholic Inquiry Office in London to honor Padre Pio's famous advice.

Pray, hope and don't worry.

They established don't worry, Be happy day.

This event is held on the most depressing day of the year.

Which they identified as the Monday nearest to January 22nd.

Oh, that's random, isn't it?

So random.

I did not know that was today.

I learned that was the most depressing day of the year.

Interesting.

Thank you Catholic church.

Thank you Padre Pio for your stigmata.

That did not smell bad.

I'm glad it didn't smell bad.

Okay, I can't put in like your rose is really smelly.

That says the story of Padre Pio and what?

And his stigmata.

Okay, so we can go back to this, the other stigmata which.

And which Padre Pio did not have.

This.

This.

This Sigmader also comes along with some brain goop.

Yeah, skull is full of goopy mush.

What can do all that is what we are left asking.

So Sam and Dean go to Olivia's work because they're gonna go talk to her co workers, find out what the hell this all about.

Because apparently she worked for cps and they have met with Beth who worked directly under her and now has her job and her office.

This sounds like a motive.

And Dean is definitely sus of Beth when they walk in and oh, there is a candle burning on the desk with a pentagram on it.

Oh, there's a candle burning.

Oh, so scary.

It's not the candle.

It's the pentagram on the candle that's upsetting.

Well, and she says that she's wiccan and she doesn't say she's a witch.

She says she's wicked positive energy.

And is her.

Yeah, is her positive energy.

I am more like, why can you burn a candle in a civil.

In a government office?

Right?

I don't think this is allowed.

No, you have to buy those like those coffee mug warmers and put it like our candle warmer and put a candle on that.

That's the only way you can do that, right?

That's the only way you can get the candle smell.

So.

And Sam wants to talk to Beth and she's like, yeah, you know, Olivia was.

Was her boss.

And the rumor is that she's.

She killed herself.

That is the messaging they're receiving.

And they.

Sam and Dean don't really confirm or deny that.

They just start asking like, well, was she acting strange?

And they're like, well, she had migraines and headaches, but she worked really hard.

Everybody knows she overworked herself so they're like, well, what about enemies?

She's like, we.

We work for cps.

I assure you we have angered lots of up families.

Yeah.

And so Sam asks for case files.

And as they leave, Dean's like, well, that was easy.

Obviously it's the witch.

So she wanted the bigger office.

So now we just need to put a witch killing cap in her and call it a day.

So Dean has jumped to conclusions that it is clearly Beth and we're going to pull go into trunk and get some witchcraft bullets out of here.

Which are not in a magazine or prepped in a witch killing bag.

They are just it.

Nope.

No.

Okay.

You guys are so unorganized.

But is just like.

You know, maybe you're.

You're jumping ahead here, buddy.

Like perhaps you're thinking a little.

A little too much.

So we've been to Olivia's home, her church and her place of work and there is no sign of a hex bag.

Anyway, it might not.

It might still be Beth.

But we might need some proof first.

Maybe.

Yeah, maybe.

Maybe.

Maybe just get some.

So we cut to dude loading produce.

We find out his name is Ricky at Joe's market to do laundry.

Or laundry.

Good lord.

Grocery delivery.

I don't know where I said laundry.

Oh, I said loading dock.

And my handwriting's terrible.

That's right.

There we go.

And he starts experiencing the invisible whipping that we saw Olivia experience.

And he starts speaking in tongues.

And we've got a song called Golden Dunes by the Budos band playing.

And then dude dies.

Yeah.

It's again, it's really uncomfortable to watch.

Watching someone get invisibly whipped to death.

And his hands have the holes.

And so it's much like the same thing.

So we go the next day and the coroner has agreed.

This is once again Sigmata with brain scrambling.

And Sam has checked the delivery kids route against Olivia's case files that they're.

Because the office didn't need those.

Those kids are all fine now.

Yeah, nothing.

Nothing to see there.

You can just give those to these people.

Yeah, that's cool.

But he has found it.

But yeah, not sus.

Totally cool.

Totally fine.

Totally fine.

File handling here.

Yeah.

And the.

The overlap is the Petersons.

So they call Beth and they're like, tell us about the Petersons.

She's like, they're weird.

Like, really, really weird.

Like off the charts religious Old testament.

And their oldest, Magda, died of pneumonia several years ago as it was.

They said it was God's will and refused to let a doctor see her.

So we go to the Peterson's house because that's of course where we're gonna go.

And there is a locked gate that Dean has trouble getting over and Sam has no trouble walking around it.

We're also on costume number three for the guys because we had priests and then we had FBI, and now we're in like professor civilization.

I call him Mr. Rogers outfits.

There we go.

There we go.

And they're noting that like even like the power line post to the property has been chopped down.

So they're pretty serious about this.

But Sam is going to bring up the Dean and mom situation again because he's like, look, it's not abnormal for mom to need space.

But what.

What.

What's going on with you about this?

This is weird.

And Dean's upset because he knows that Mary hates how they.

How they were raised, hates that they're hunters.

And so because of that, he's scared she won't come back, she's just gonna.

Stay away.

And that he's the only one that's interested in keeping this family together.

That kind of attitude read from Dean's organ, but.

So they get greeted by Abraham Peterson at the house.

And Sam introduces them as James Morrison and Ray Manzarek, which are members of the Doors.

Once again, not even trying anymore.

Yeah, no.

And like, I. I can't believe like this.

This dude looks like he should know who the Door.

Like, members of the Doors are like, how could you not?

And, and just kind of like, I.

Well, you.

How do you not know who members of the Doors are?

So like, yeah, you deserve whatever you get.

So.

So Dean is also surprised.

So like, not only that he does not get this reference, but this dude does not have long hair or suspenders or a big off beard.

No, he looks like a fairly normal, like, dude on a farm.

Modern dude on a farm.

And so they sit down inside and talk to Abraham and his wife Gail.

And this is where Sam informs about Olivia's dead.

And they're kind of unsure what happened.

But they, they.

The.

The Petersons share that they liked Olivia better than Beth and are that she visited every few months.

But Beth hates them for their faith.

And while Olivia was a papist, at least she believed in God.

So there you go.

Yeah.

And when they asked him if they believe, your Dean is emphatically agreeing that him and God are best days.

And you know, and this is where we kind of start seeing this.

And I, I do always love when we have these extreme religious people on the supernatural.

And the guys are like, we just hung out with God, like, two weeks ago.

Like, I just left.

We're literally looking for Lucifer right now.

So I. I know who the devil is.

Right.

So that starts coming through right here.

But then a young man comes in and says something to the dad who asked the boys for help.

So we out on the road where they had to park baby.

We see a motorcycle pull up to baby, look very closely at the license plate, and then drive off.

So.

And it's British, and it is the bike from last week's episode.

Yeah.

And back at the.

Back at their compound.

I don't know, the Peterson farm, whatever.

Farm is just what I called it.

Yeah.

Dean is helping Abraham and his son Elijah putting a wheel back on a wagon.

And they're like.

Well, he's like, well, you're out here by yourself.

Something goes wrong, what do you do?

And he's like, pray harder.

And Abraham explains that he's like, he's not great at all this because he was actually a computer programmer up until five years ago.

So this is a new lifestyle.

Yep.

And so he has come and he has come out with his.

His mantra and his observation that the world out there is all distractions, consumerisms, corporations.

And the people, if they're not shopping or stuffing their face, they're sitting in front of some screen watching fake people do fake things while the real world just gets more and more screwed up.

And that is, you know, kind of what has taken him outside of the tech world into this world where they had to figure out how to put a wheel on a buggy without YouTube.

Yeah.

And so Dean helps them.

While all this is going on in the house, Gail is talking to Sam.

She brings him lemonade because they're out of coffee.

And he looks at a family photo and comments on being a happy family.

And she's like, no.

Because their father worked 80 hours a week, and just to pay.

To barely pay the mortgage, there was any little time he had at home was spent in the bottle.

Kids were on four different types of behavior modify modifiers.

She's going on.

But they didn't.

Was pilled up.

Yeah.

And then.

And yeah, and mom was pilled up, too.

And, you know, then God showed them a better way because she was in a car accident.

She almost died.

All these nerves in her lower body were all up.

And the doctors couldn't stop the pain.

They just kept giving her a bunch of pain drugs.

And finally she, you know, was lying in a puddle of her own vomit from taking pain pills, basically.

And God told her to go live a life of simplicity.

And the pain would be taken away.

Yeah.

Take a note from that.

As you're taking pain pills, so your knees do not.

Do not wake up in a pile of your own vomit.

If you hear a voice, remember, they may not be God's voice.

So Sam is just like, what about this delivery boy?

You know he's dead, too.

Yeah.

And she's like, oh, I see.

And that's it.

That's all she's got is an ic.

And so she's just like, well, God just has a plan.

Plan for us all.

He's like, so does that include your daughter?

Is that part of God's plan?

She's like, yes.

She didn't.

She didn't.

And he's like, but she didn't have to die.

And, you know, God doesn't care what kind of life you have.

He's.

You know, God didn't tell.

You did.

God didn't kill your daughter.

You did what?

He tells her.

Yeah.

And Sam is pissed.

He's.

And you get furious.

He's furious, especially because he knows that it was not God.

Like, he literally knows that Chuck did not kill this woman's daughter.

Daughter.

Yeah.

And so.

But unfortunately for Sam, as he's got.

He got his role on dad, and Elijah and Dean have walked in and have overheard Sam telling the mom that she killed her kid.

And so now they're gonna throw them out.

Yeah, they gotta go.

So.

But this does take us back to the road to the car, where we get a lovely look at Trunk Team Trump.

And Dean's like, well, we're clear on what we have to do, right?

And Sam's like, definitely.

But they are clearly not on the same page because Dean is still on the.

He's still fixated on Beth, the witch.

And Sam's like, no, we got to go after Magda's ghost on the property.

So Sam wants to go ghost hunting, and Dean wants to go kill Beth.

Somehow Abraham's little mantra speech.

Got to say, got to Dean, he's like, okay, this makes sense.

And where.

Yeah, this is all.

This is all fine.

Clearly, there's a witch.

Okay.

And he just thinks that the.

The family is good people, so he's gonna storm off and go find Beth.

Yeah.

And.

But.

And Sam points out, though, that there's no connection.

Other.

Beth doesn't know Ricky, so there's no connection between her and the delivery boy.

And so Dean's like, it.

I'll figure it out.

And so Sam's like, no, this family is super disturbed.

Sam straight up tells Dean that he's wrong.

So he's going to stay with EMF and look for Magda while Dean leaves for Beth.

Oh my gosh.

So we've got Gail watching her husband and son walk.

Walking the horses around.

So she goes down into her basement and we see Magda on the floor with her back flayed and candles lit.

So Magda is not dead and she's very bloody.

Yeah, it's really sad and grody.

Sad and grody.

So she's.

Gail's like, what have you done?

And Magda's like, nothing.

And she's.

So basically Gail says that Magda killed the woman and the boy and slaps the shit out of Magda.

And she's.

Gail is monologuing that they tried to keep the devil locked away.

And you let him out and the devil's doing work through you.

And hands her a whip.

And how it's herself.

Self.

Self flagellate.

Yeah.

And the girl starts saying the same things that Olivia and the delivery boy were saying as she whips herself before this really weird looking cross.

And Elijah is spying in from the window.

So Sam's creeping on the property and like ends up in the.

With the EMF reader and a flashlight.

And he's like hiding the stable for a little bit.

But then of course, Abraham and Elijah are there.

And he tells dad that mom's with Magda.

And Abraham's just like, oh, she's just doing God's work.

It's a devil's a deceiver.

If anyone found out about Magda, they'd come for her.

And you know, anyways, he's like, I love her, but, you know, we'd have, you know, what she can do.

She's our cross to bear.

So now there's more hints that Sam has.

But he.

Of course he has no signal on his cell phone because that's what always happens, right?

Yep.

And.

But he leaves the barn and he's just pulling out his phone and his flashlight.

And he has just been using that flashlight like all over this barn at night.

I'm like, you are not being inconspicuous here.

You're just like.

Like, here I am.

You know.

But we go from there to cps where creepy ass Dean has decided he's.

Yeah.

Is stalking Beth.

And he comes in with the gun out behind his back.

It's crazy pants.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he's, you know, he startles her because of course she's just there working late and.

And he is like, so how do you like your new job?

And she's like, I hate it.

And he's like, what?

And she's like, yeah, I make more, but I have to work more.

And if someone else screws up, it's on me.

And if somebody does, and, you know, being the boss sucks.

Nobody wants this job.

And he's like, ah, she I up.

There is not a motive here.

And he slowly puts the gun away in his waistband.

So.

Yep.

And then when she asks while he's there, he can't figure out a reason.

Just kind of stammers.

Yeah, because he didn't have a good one.

But he's not good at lying.

And so we go from there back to the farm, where now mom is reading an Aramaic while poor Magna whips herself.

Yeah.

And Sam's got finally able to peek in.

But Gail does see him.

That's not good.

So finally, Sam is able to get Dean on the phone.

And Dean's like, well, you were right back.

Back into the ghost thing.

And he's like, no, Magda's alive.

And then we hear the most known sound, probably on Earth.

The sound of a shotgun being wrecked.

And Sam.

Elijah is there, has pulled a shotgun on Sam.

And then the dad hit Sam over the head with a shovel.

Yeah.

So Dean at least knows that something's wrong and he needs to get back out there.

But.

So back in the basement, Magda is doing a singing prayer at this point.

And she's sitting there, but Sam's now down in the basement tied up as well.

And he knows her name.

And she's like, I'm.

He's, like, saying her name.

And she's like, that's not my name.

I'm the devil.

And Sam's like, you're really not.

The devil's not inside you.

He is inside Vince Vincente at the bottom of the ocean.

Right.

Like, come on, now.

We know better.

And she's like, I.

You know, I can hear.

You know, I can hear him in whispers.

He lets me know what people are thinking, and that lets me do things.

And he's like, I can help.

Show me.

So she, like, levitates the cross?

Yeah.

Sam's like, I've seen better.

He didn't say that.

I'm kidding.

Kidding?

You call that telekinesis?

And so the Petersons.

While that's happening, the Petersons are watching Sam's phone ring, and Dean's calling him.

But Sam isn't telling Magda that she's not demonic.

She's psychic like him.

I mean, he Used to have all these powers, too.

We don't know what happened to them.

No, but it made me who I am, and it's not evil.

And she's like, mother says I'm evil because I hurt people, but I don't mean it.

And, you know, I thought she.

You know, I thought she could help me, but I. I liked.

She liked Olivia because she was pretty and she smiled, and I thought she could help me.

So we see a little scene of Magda spying on Olivia visiting the house, and.

But he.

She could hear Olivia's thoughts, and it made me, you know, she could reach out to her, and she was trying to share her message, but the message, instead of, like, coming through.

Olivia killed Olivia.

Yeah.

I didn't really go as she planned.

No.

Not intended.

So Sam's like, you're not the devil, and you're not evil.

You just need to learn how to control your power.

So as that's happening, we've got Elijah and Andrew coming downstairs or Abraham coming downstairs to get them for supper, because apparently, now they're just going to bring their prisoners up to eat dinner together.

Guess so.

Yeah.

Odd.

So upstairs, Gail is serving, like, it looks like a stew in a big pot to everybody.

And Sam's like, you know, your daughter needs real help here.

What are y' all doing?

And Abraham's like, what do you think we're doing?

That's what we're doing here.

We're help.

And everybody else is like, what the.

No.

But Gail's like, you talk about knowing God, but we know the deal.

Wrestling with her for years is what we do.

And, you know, we.

We know.

You know, you should know that Olivia and Ricky were not the first.

Oh, so somebody else has been harmed.

Apparently.

Apparently Magda wanted a new cell phone, and she yelled at her, at Gail to pull over.

And when she didn't, her powers turned the steering wheel and drove the car into oncoming traffic.

And that's how Gail, the mom, was in a wreck and got injured.

Yep.

Oh, yep.

And she believes that pain purges sin.

Yeah, that's a great thing to think.

And so Sam's just like, you are wrong.

And then she keeps.

Says something creepy and, like, it's time.

And they all hold hands, and dad says a grace, and mom just wants everyone to start just digging into this.

This wonderful meal that she prepared.

Then dad starts foaming at the mouth, and we find, see, a box of.

Rat Hell, which is quite the name for a rat killer.

Rat Hill.

Rat Hill on the counter.

And she has poisoned dinner.

Because her plan is that if they all eat it together, they stay together by entering heaven together as a family.

What the.

And she's like, brainwashed this family enough that Elijah almost eats it.

Right?

He really wants to.

He's struggling real hard.

Dad's dead with his face in his bowl.

Magda's like, nope.

And Elijah's, like, got this spoon up to his mouth.

Like his mom screamed at him to eat it.

It's so crazy.

Yeah.

But Magda just gets mad and she flings a spoon.

But then, like, mom is like, well, this.

And she stabs Elijah.

Yeah, she kills him.

Crazy, mom, Crazy.

And then she's about to try to stab Magda, but Magda's like, oh, hell no.

I'm gonna use my super telekinetic powers and turn the knife on you and make you stab yourself.

But Sam talks her out of killing Gail, which is probably a good thing.

Probably.

Like, it's not a good thing.

Well, I mean, yeah, don't.

Don't kill her, I guess.

Yeah.

So then.

So we end there and we go to daylight.

And the ambulance has come and mom is being taken away, but still shouting that she's the devil.

Yeah.

While the EMTs check on poor Magda.

And Dean's there and he's just like, sorry, I missed all the psycho.

But apparently, apparently Magda has an aunt in California that lives on a ranch that.

That she can go live with.

And Beth.

Yeah, Beth has taken.

Beth has like, coordinated all of this within the last hour or so.

That's good.

Really impressive, because you are good at your job, Beth.

So.

But Beth wants to have a one on one conversation with.

Yeah, with Dean after he.

After he came by his late, late night while she was burning candles.

Well, Sam's gonna sit with Magda.

And he's like, look, it doesn't feel like it, but you're gonna be okay.

Your power doesn't control you.

You control it.

And here's my number.

If you ever need anything.

I'll help you out.

So as Sam and Dean leave, they're having their little, you know, little chat.

And they're discussing how there was the right call to let Magda go.

And how fucked up it is that Dean was going to go shoot Beth for no reason.

But.

And Dean also, though, takes this moment to tell Sam that he's also right about Mom.

And he hates it, but he gets it.

And he'll try to be less of a dick about it.

Yay, Dean.

At least he's acknowledging that that is growth.

Way to go, Dean.

And in that moment, he gets a text message from Mary.

Her phone had died, but she's good and she'll always be mom.

But he doesn't tell Sam, which is weird, too.

Yeah, he doesn't tell him.

And that's kind of a dick.

He's like.

It says to tell him like, like.

Like you just said you're gonna be less of a dick about this like a second ago.

So anyways, so we see a bus that's going to Santa Cruz, taking a pit stop in Missouri.

And Magda gets off to go to the restroom.

And we see our motorcycle that we've seen twice now show up.

And it is.

We see their hand with a cross tattoo on it, which means this is our assassin, Mr. Catch.

And.

Yeah, and he has a gun with a silencer.

Follows Magda to the bathroom and shoots her.

So upsetting.

Very upsetting.

Very upsetting.

And then takes a cell phone call because he's cleaning up the Winchester's mess because they couldn't finish the job.

And we learned that this is the infamous Mr. Catch.

And.

Yeah, yeah.

And this just makes me so bad.

I'm just like, what?

What you like so.

And I know it's on purpose, so that makes you mad, but because they give you this thing where you think that Magda is going to be all like, safe and all, you know, like she's going to go live in a farm with her aunt.

She's going to have all this fun psychic time, and then like, boom.

Well, the hint.

The hint.

When the boys are talking about if they should, but if they.

If they ever did the right thing, letting her go about being a monster.

That's what that is.

Oh, so sucky.

So.

So she's not a monster.

Like, we.

We determined this back in season two.

And Sam has psychic abilities.

Not a monster.

And we determined.

We had many conversations and episodes about it.

There was many episodes.

Sam is not a monster.

He's a freak.

Not a monster.

All right, so let's talk about the.

The peoples casting couch.

It's the casting couch.

Were they on that show that time with that guy?

La la la la la la la la la la la la.

Well, Gail Peterson's played by Christina Carlisi.

She's been in episodes of Night Court, NYPD Blue, csi Charmed, Glee, Bones, Bold and Beautiful a few times and has done a lot of voice work as well, including in Ghost in the Shell and other anime programs.

Abraham Peterson was played by William McDonald.

He's actually got.

His background's a lot in theater, but he's been in episodes of Quantum Leap, MacGyver, X Files, Dead Like Me, True Calling, Smallville Good Doctor, Supergirl, Flash, Resident alien and tracker.

He was in the Dudley do right movie.

He's Mr. Strutmeyer in the movie Slither and was a reoccurring character named Gary in Travelers as well as Principal Featherhead, AKA Warden Norton in Riverdale.

That's a reoccurring character.

Magda Peterson was played by Paloma Kwatkowski.

She has been an episode of Travelers.

She is a reoccurring character named Bri in Murder in a Small Town and Cody in Bates Motel.

Reoccurring characters.

Beth Roberts was played by Eliza Valani.

She's been in episodes of iZombie X Files, Flash, Riverdale, Charmed.

She also did voice work in Kim Possible and some Marvel cartoons.

She is the tech elf Jojo in Noel the Christmas Movie and is Ronnie in Sweet Tooth as a reoccurring character as well.

Mr. Arthur Ketch is played by.

I've got more after this too.

Oh, my gosh.

David Hayden Jones.

He's been episodes of Melrose Place, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Charmed, Medium, ntis Modern Family.

He was a reporter, Buffy.

He's like, I want one episode, but like.

He was a reporter in White House down and has done a lot of Hallmark work.

Our Elijah Peterson was played by Gig Morton.

He's been in episodes of Batwoman, Yellow Jackets and Kung Fu.

He was a B dog in Air Buddies and then Billy in Snow Buddies, Space Buddies and Santa Buddies, which is a voice in the dog movies with the Golden Retrievers.

In case you're wondering, Father Val.

Father Valde Cantus was played by Rick J.

He's been episodes of True Calling, Smallville Arrow.

Once upon a time, he's a security guard and Freddy Got Fingered.

Olivia was played by Marissa Portalence.

She's been in episodes of leverage, zoo, iZombie, good doctor, magicians and Arrow and Ricky.

Interestingly, a lot of his credits are actually in visual effects, including the film Spectre, production work, camera work, director credits, and an editor including in New Leash on Life.

He's also been seen in episodes of Once Upon a time and iZombie and plays Neil Armstrong in the short film Stanley Kubrick's the Moon Landing.

There we go.

Yeah.

At least you finally get to see Got to Meet David.

So you have seen him at fan conventions.

Yes, and so nice to.

You know, he is one of the Characters.

Yeah, he is really big in fandom world, so it's cool.

But we're finally, finally.

Well, we're.

Right now we're still only meeting his hand, right?

Only his hand and his voice.

That's it for now.

Yeah.

But yeah, no, it was upsetting episode.

Yeah.

Especially when it's, you know.

Well, they talked about this being, you know, being back to kind of a monster of the week, which it was, but.

Or not because, you know, I.

The monster were the people.

The monster were the people.

The monster was the mom.

And I hate it when the monsters are people, but it does, you know, but it.

As I was rambling on about this, but it's.

Again, it's bringing up something that we just, we just, we discussed this in season two.

We know what monsters are and why are we going back and having to.

I mean, I know it's because we have the minute letters here, but now we're going to go off again and be like, you know, like, we have to talk about what monsters are again.

God damn it.

We figured this out.

We had.

We talked about it when we had Benn.

We talked to you like, how many times are we going to talk about what a monster is?

And I guess that's the point of Supernatural, but you know, whatever.

There we go.

Yes, that.

Oh, there you go.

Any other thoughts?

I think that's it.

I was.

One bit of Supernatural news we did not mention at the beginning, but officially now we are.

We're in the world where Supernatural is no longer on Netflix officially now.

It is now available on Peacock and on Prime.

Yeah, but it says some people learned if you have prime that that, that.

You did paid might have to upgrade if you don't want to watch ads I gotta face already.

But yeah, that was so cool.

Yeah.

So tune in next week as we continue on through season 12.

And next week will be the return of Elspieta's Vodka story.

So that may be a hint about what's coming up in next week's episode.

So cheers, Dirt.

Cheers, bitch.

Happy holidays.

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