This week on the show Kathryn and Kristi chat with wildlife biologist and Cairns Project Ambassador Lisa Vormwald. Lisa tells us how a knee injury brought her into the world of gravel cycling, and shares her new found love for bike packing trips. We hear how a unique opportunity caused by COVID allowed her to participate in The Crusher - an epic 248 mile enhanced gavel experience in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Kristi and Lisa talk about their shared love for bird-watching on bike rides, and the true purpose of bike helmets. Kathryn is enjoying the awesome fall weather in Atlanta, and Kristi is soaking up the best of the #vanlife in Tahoe.