In this talk we explore the depths of true faith and the transformative impact of unwavering belief. Drawing inspiration from the Apostle Paul's perilous journey in Acts 27, we delve into what it means to have a faith that not only endures life's storms but also pleases God.
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Dan Orange:Welcome everybody.
Dan Orange:It's really good to be back.
Dan Orange:How are you doing
Ruth Orange:Ruth?
Ruth Orange:I'm good.
Ruth Orange:Thank you.
Ruth Orange:Yes.
Ruth Orange:Nice to be joined with my sister.
Ruth Orange:Again.
Ruth Orange:I guess one month ago or two months ago.
Ruth Orange:It was a
Dan Orange:while back, wasn't it?
Dan Orange:Yes.
Dan Orange:We had some technical issues.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Which is par for the course when I'm doing it, but we're all good.
Dan Orange:We did seem to have a very old intro there.
Dan Orange:Sorry for that.
Dan Orange:So there's no worship now.
Dan Orange:We'll have the talk coming up very shortly.
Dan Orange:Cool.
Dan Orange:How have you, what have you been up to?
Dan Orange:How's your week been?
Ruth Orange:I've started exercising again, Dan.
Ruth Orange:Very good.
Ruth Orange:Mainly because, or well, spurred on today because our
Ruth Orange:Josh beat me in an arm wrestle.
Ruth Orange:And how's Josh?
Ruth Orange:That's not good.
Ruth Orange:He's 13.
Ruth Orange:He's very strong.
Ruth Orange:Yes, I am definitely back on the exercise.
Ruth Orange:I'm going for my first run for a long time tomorrow.
Ruth Orange:Yes.
Dan Orange:So January.
Dan Orange:So a little bit late in January, it's normally the
Dan Orange:beginning of January, isn't it?
Dan Orange:I'm
Ruth Orange:not a resolutions person, so it's happening now.
Ruth Orange:It's happening because of
Dan Orange:your 13 year old
Ruth Orange:nephew.
Ruth Orange:I'm not old enough yet for him
Dan Orange:to beat me.
Dan Orange:I've had a busy week of weddings, of birthdays, my wife's birthday and my
Dan Orange:daughter's birthday in the last four days.
Dan Orange:So lots of cake,
Peter Farrington:Lots of sweets.
Peter Farrington:Oh my goodness, you should see that house.
Peter Farrington:Yes.
Dan Orange:My daughter, we asked her what she wanted for her birthday.
Dan Orange:She's 11 and she just said sweets.
Dan Orange:She did ask for some dried cranberries, which are sort of natural sweets.
Dan Orange:But yeah,
Peter Farrington:she likes sweets.
Peter Farrington:She does.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:I like that she knows what she likes.
Ruth Orange:Yes.
Ruth Orange:And it's not expensive.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:I should be thankful that's what she
Dan Orange:asked for.
Dan Orange:It is.
Dan Orange:She if someone gives her money she equates money to how many, Double dips.
Dan Orange:I love this.
Dan Orange:She can buy, so double dip is like sherbert dip and 25 pence.
Dan Orange:So she gets a pound and she's that doesn't mean a pound to
Dan Orange:me, that means four double dips.
Dan Orange:Nice.
Peter Farrington:Yeah.
Peter Farrington:Nice.
Peter Farrington:That's
Dan Orange:what she equates money to.
Dan Orange:I think I like that childlike lifestyle.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:I like that.
Ruth Orange:That's fun
Ruth Orange:. Dan Orange: Anyway today we are actually on.
Ruth Orange:The penultimate.
Ruth Orange:So we've got only three talks left in the Acts series.
Ruth Orange:So it's been going on for a long time.
Ruth Orange:We're actually down to three and we've gone all the way through Acts.
Ruth Orange:So we've got Pete Farrington this week, which I'm really looking forward to.
Ruth Orange:Excuse me, without further ado, let's listen to Pete.
Ruth Orange:If you've got any questions, just Send them in either on YouTube or Facebook
Ruth Orange:and we can see them here and we'll endeavour to answer them afterwards.
Ruth Orange:Yeah, any questions, anything about the talk, send it through.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Nicola, you're right.
Ruth Orange:It's not Matt.
Ruth Orange:Oh, look at that.
Dan Orange:Have they put the names on?
Dan Orange:They, being me, I've put the names wrong.
Dan Orange:Oh, okay.
Dan Orange:Well done, Dan.
Dan Orange:Hopefully when we come back after the talk, we'll have magically
Dan Orange:changed into two different people.
Ruth Orange:Nice to see you on Nicola though.
Ruth Orange:Yes.
Dan Orange:Sorry people, we had things freeze and stuff,
Dan Orange:but here we go, here's the talk.
Dan Orange:As I said, any questions, just fire them through and we'll be back after Pete.
Peter Farrington:Hello, and thank you for joining us for this next talk in
Peter Farrington:our 13 year series in the Book of Acts.
Peter Farrington:We did start a long time ago, but we're nearing the end.
Peter Farrington:So today we're in chapter 27, and this entire chapter is dedicated
Peter Farrington:to providing us with quite a detailed account of Paul's voyage.
Peter Farrington:and Shipwreck on his way to Rome where he was to make his case before Caesar.
Peter Farrington:It's a very technical passage and it could leave you thinking a little bit
Peter Farrington:like I might just skim read this one.
Peter Farrington:But I think this passage does show us something really important about both
Peter Farrington:man's nature and what God is like.
Peter Farrington:So I'm going to pick out a few verses and give you the story as we go along.
Peter Farrington:We'll start in verse one.
Peter Farrington:And when it was decided that we should sail for Italy, they delivered Paul
Peter Farrington:and some other prisoners to a centurion of the Augustan cohort named Julius.
Peter Farrington:Down to verse 7, We sailed slowly for a number of days, and arrived
Peter Farrington:with difficulty off Snidus.
Peter Farrington:And as the wind did not allow us to go further, we sailed under
Peter Farrington:the lee of Crete off Salmone.
Peter Farrington:Coasting along with difficulty, we came to a place called Fair Havens,
Peter Farrington:near which was the city of Lasea.
Peter Farrington:And verse 9, Since much time had passed, and the voyage was now dangerous, because
Peter Farrington:even the fast, that's the day of atonement in the autumn, was already over, Paul
Peter Farrington:advised them, saying, Sirs, I perceive that the voyage will be with injury
Peter Farrington:and much loss, not only of the cargo and the ship, but also of our lives.
Peter Farrington:But the centurion paid more attention to the pilot and to the owner of
Peter Farrington:the ship than to what Paul said.
Peter Farrington:Then going down to verse 18, Since we were violently storm tossed, they began
Peter Farrington:the next day to jettison the cargo, and on the third day they threw the ship's
Peter Farrington:tackle overboard with their own hands.
Peter Farrington:When neither sun nor stars appeared for many days, and no small tempest
Peter Farrington:lay upon us, all hope of our being saved was at last abandoned.
Peter Farrington:Verse 21 continues since they had been without food for a long time.
Peter Farrington:Paul stood up among them and said, man, you should have listened to me
Peter Farrington:and not have set sail from Crete and incurred this injury and loss yet now
Peter Farrington:I urge you to take heart for there will be no loss of life among you.
Peter Farrington:But only of the ship.
Peter Farrington:For this very night there stood before me an angel of the Lord, to
Peter Farrington:whom I belong and whom I worship.
Peter Farrington:And he said, Do not be afraid, Paul, you must stand before Caesar.
Peter Farrington:And behold, God has granted you all those who sail with you.
Peter Farrington:So take heart, men, for I have faith in God that it will be
Peter Farrington:exactly as I have been told.
Peter Farrington:But we must run aground on some island.
Peter Farrington:The story continues, and Paul and everyone on the ship, that was over, I think
Peter Farrington:about 275 people, they all survived, and Paul did eventually make it to Rome.
Peter Farrington:But at the beginning of that passage, verse 9, Paul gave them a warning.
Peter Farrington:And he wasn't speaking as a prophet there, but he was just sharing his
Peter Farrington:opinion as an experienced traveller.
Peter Farrington:We know from elsewhere, 2 Corinthians 11 verse 25, that by this point, Paul had
Peter Farrington:already been shipwrecked three times.
Peter Farrington:So he knew what he was talking about, and he knew that sailing
Peter Farrington:in this season was dangerous.
Peter Farrington:But unsurprisingly, the centurion had a higher regard for the opinion of the
Peter Farrington:chief sailor and the owner of the ship.
Peter Farrington:And for the opinion of one of his prisoners, Paul, because both the
Peter Farrington:centurion and the owner of the ship had much to lose if the ship didn't
Peter Farrington:make it to Rome and in good time.
Peter Farrington:As we move through the chapter, things go from bad to worse very quickly, and it
Peter Farrington:looks increasingly like what Paul said was going to come true and that he would be
Peter Farrington:proven right, that this voyage was going to end in disaster and great loss of life.
Peter Farrington:And the crew if you read the whole passage, they employ multiple
Peter Farrington:strategies to try and change their fortunes, but it's all to no avail.
Peter Farrington:And at last we read in verse 20, All hope of our being saved was at last abandoned.
Peter Farrington:I think this is where God's word shines a light on something really
Peter Farrington:significant about the nature of man and the nature of God.
Peter Farrington:Because you may remember from just a few chapters ago that God had
Peter Farrington:already given a promise to Paul that he would not die in this storm.
Peter Farrington:Because he said in Acts 23, when Paul was in prison after standing before the
Peter Farrington:council and the high priest Ananias in Jerusalem, the Lord appeared to Paul
Peter Farrington:and said this, Take courage, for as you've testified to the facts about me
Peter Farrington:in Jerusalem, So you must also testify in Rome and Acts 19 verse 21 also tells
Peter Farrington:us that Paul knew that after going to Jerusalem, he quote, must also see
Peter Farrington:Rome and he hadn't yet made it to Rome.
Peter Farrington:So it wasn't his time yet, but that promise, which was given to him in
Peter Farrington:Acts 23 was to give him courage whilst he was imprisoned in Jerusalem, but
Peter Farrington:it was also given to strengthen his heart in the midst of the storm.
Peter Farrington:If he would remember it.
Peter Farrington:How often is that the case that we enjoy the benefits of a promise
Peter Farrington:once and then we have no memory of it the next time we are in need?
Peter Farrington:I am so like that.
Peter Farrington:A favorite of mine, favorite preacher of mine Spurgeon spoke about how it
Peter Farrington:is just staggering that we should ever find it difficult to believe God.
Peter Farrington:He says that if our hearts and minds were as they should be, faith in God
Peter Farrington:would just be a matter of course.
Peter Farrington:And that even now, it ought to need a crushing argument to persuade us to
Peter Farrington:entertain even the slightest doubt of God.
Peter Farrington:And it's most of all surprising, he says, that God's children should ever doubt him.
Peter Farrington:Especially those who have been so highly favoured as some of us have been.
Peter Farrington:Like if I were to say of a neighbour, I find it hard to believe him.
Peter Farrington:I do not know what worse we could say of him, Spurgeon says.
Peter Farrington:Or we could think of a child and his father.
Peter Farrington:If a child were to say of his father, You know my father.
Peter Farrington:Yeah, he is in high, he is in high repute, but I find it quite hard, I
Peter Farrington:find it quite a struggle to believe him.
Peter Farrington:That man's own child confesses that he finds it hard to believe him.
Peter Farrington:Will that not bring forth from us the blush of shame and the tear of repentance,
Peter Farrington:Spurgeon says, to think that we would have ever spoken thus of God, our Father?
Peter Farrington:Is there any proof of our fall more conclusive than this?
Peter Farrington:Is there any proof of our sin more conclusive than this?
Peter Farrington:When we come into deep trouble, how is it that we mistrust His goodness?
Peter Farrington:How is it that we do not rest in God in all things, great or small?
Peter Farrington:When we come into deep trouble, how is it that we mistrust his goodness?
Peter Farrington:He that is true to his covenant, and to his oath, will be true in the very
Peter Farrington:jots and tittles of his promises.
Peter Farrington:And Spurgeon spoke there about child and father, and Psalm 103 tells us beautifully
Peter Farrington:about what God is like as a father.
Peter Farrington:It says this, As a father shows compassion to his children, so the Lord
Peter Farrington:shows compassion to those who fear him.
Peter Farrington:For he knows our frame.
Peter Farrington:He remembers that we are dust.
Peter Farrington:He knows our frame.
Peter Farrington:He knows how feeble and weak and forgetful we can be.
Peter Farrington:And we see such a beautiful reminder of his mercies.
Peter Farrington:and his patience towards us when he appears to Paul again
Peter Farrington:here in the midst of the storm.
Peter Farrington:He could have just rolled his eyes oh, here we go again.
Peter Farrington:They're doubting me and putting my trial, my character on trial again.
Peter Farrington:But he doesn't respond like that.
Peter Farrington:God says in verse 24, he appears to Paul and says, do not be afraid, Paul.
Peter Farrington:You must stand before Caesar.
Peter Farrington:And behold, God has granted you all those who sail with you.
Peter Farrington:And if you start from page one of the Bible and you just read through, one
Peter Farrington:of the major patterns and one of the threads that weaves in and out throughout
Peter Farrington:the whole narrative is that of God repeating his promises again and again
Peter Farrington:to his people, over and over again.
Peter Farrington:And time again, his people give into doubt and forget his promises and end
Peter Farrington:up taking matters into their own hands.
Peter Farrington:And it happens almost immediately and almost every time, but God does not stop
Peter Farrington:reminding them of the words he has spoken.
Peter Farrington:Like he says, I will, he said to the Israelites while they were enslaved
Peter Farrington:in Egypt, I will bring you up.
Peter Farrington:out of the land of Egypt.
Peter Farrington:I will deliver you out of the hand of Pharaoh.
Peter Farrington:This I will do, surely I will do it.
Peter Farrington:And if you just read that narrative, it's over and over and over again, even though
Peter Farrington:they're not listening half the time.
Peter Farrington:And even though they forget it almost immediately.
Peter Farrington:And the other thing that you see as you read through the Bible is that
Peter Farrington:he is a God who keeps his promises.
Peter Farrington:I was just reading the other day from a book in the Old
Peter Farrington:Testament called One Kings.
Peter Farrington:And 1 Kings 8 it's where King Solomon is dedicating the
Peter Farrington:temple that he had built to God.
Peter Farrington:And he looks back on over 400 years of history of his people, the Israelites.
Peter Farrington:And he says this in verse 56, Blessed be the Lord who has given rest to his people
Peter Farrington:Israel according to all that he promised.
Peter Farrington:Not one word has failed of all his good promise.
Peter Farrington:Which he spoke by Moses, his servant, the Lord, our God be with
Peter Farrington:us as he was with our fathers, may he not leave us or forsake us.
Peter Farrington:He was talking about way over 400 years of history, and he could
Peter Farrington:have gone all the way back even further to the very beginning.
Peter Farrington:And he would have been able to see the very same thing.
Peter Farrington:But let's go back to Paul in verse 25.
Peter Farrington:He said this to the crew on the ship and to all the prisoners.
Peter Farrington:So take heart, men, for I have faith in God that it will be
Peter Farrington:exactly as I've been told.
Peter Farrington:He says, I believe God.
Peter Farrington:I have faith in God.
Peter Farrington:I believe in him.
Peter Farrington:Now there are many characters in the Bible and people today who have.
Peter Farrington:Absolutely no trouble believing that God exists and yet are utterly opposed to him.
Peter Farrington:Satan would fall into that category.
Peter Farrington:But there are different types of faith.
Peter Farrington:I believe that there is a country in Asia called Tibet.
Peter Farrington:I believe that it exists and it appears on every world map and it might be that
Peter Farrington:one day I meet someone who claims to come from this country called Tibet.
Peter Farrington:But my believing that Tibet exists doesn't have to have any
Peter Farrington:impact at all on the way I live.
Peter Farrington:Unless I were to become a cartographer or take a geography exam, but my believing
Peter Farrington:that Tibet exists does not make me, it doesn't make me Tibetan either.
Peter Farrington:Just like believing that Christ exists doesn't make me a Christian.
Peter Farrington:The question, it's not about Some sort of intellectual belief or merely an
Peter Farrington:intellectual belief in the existence of God, but it's a question of trust.
Peter Farrington:Do you believe him?
Peter Farrington:It's a question of where your hope and your trust is and then living out of
Peter Farrington:that, allowing that faith, that belief to actually determine the way that you live.
Peter Farrington:So it's a little bit more like we can imagine the way that you have faith
Peter Farrington:in a, in someone who builds a chair.
Peter Farrington:Thank you, bye.
Peter Farrington:The chair that I'm sitting, if I bought the chair that I'm sitting on from
Peter Farrington:someone, and the person who made it said to me, Hey, this chair can support
Peter Farrington:your weight, it won't collapse beneath you, I am a skilled worker, I use only
Peter Farrington:the best materials, and it can totally support your weight, you can sit on it.
Peter Farrington:Believing in God is a, it's a little bit like believing in
Peter Farrington:the person who made the chair.
Peter Farrington:If you believe the person who made the chair, if you believe what he said when
Peter Farrington:he said it won't collapse under you, then you can actually sit on the chair and have
Peter Farrington:faith that it can support your weight.
Peter Farrington:It actually impacts the way that you live.
Peter Farrington:And a bit like the man Job, in the midst of all of his testing, he said of God,
Peter Farrington:Though he slay me, yet I will hope in him.
Peter Farrington:That's Job 13, verse 15.
Peter Farrington:This is the kind of faith, the kind of hope that we're talking about.
Peter Farrington:That even in the midst of the darkest trials, that you can still
Peter Farrington:trust the nature and the character of God, that you can trust his
Peter Farrington:heart his motives and his power.
Peter Farrington:And Paul on that ship had no hope outside of God's promise to him.
Peter Farrington:Everything else had been stripped away from Paul and the
Peter Farrington:other 275 people on the ship.
Peter Farrington:All their skill, their expertise, their status, their cargo, their tackle.
Peter Farrington:They couldn't hope in any of it.
Peter Farrington:They were just at the mercies of the waves.
Peter Farrington:And we see here in this story of Paul on that ship that a promise,
Peter Farrington:it's only of benefit to you if you believe it, because it's when Paul
Peter Farrington:it's the moment when Paul takes hold of the word that God had spoken.
Peter Farrington:It's then that he had courage and he has total certainty.
Peter Farrington:He says, it will be exactly as I have been told.
Peter Farrington:Isaiah 26 verse three says this, you keep in perfect peace those
Peter Farrington:whose mind is stayed on you.
Peter Farrington:Because he trusts in you.
Peter Farrington:It's funny, as I've been thinking about all of this we've been going through a bit
Peter Farrington:of a storm in our family life recently.
Peter Farrington:Only that the waves are the Home Office, and the winds are Borders and Bureaucracy.
Peter Farrington:About six weeks ago, we had a visa application for my wife rejected.
Peter Farrington:That's at the end of November, and right in the run up to Christmas, it
Peter Farrington:was a terrible time for it to happen, and also we're at the tail end of
Peter Farrington:my wife's current residence card in the UK, so there's not a huge amount
Peter Farrington:of time it's all been very stressful trying to figure out what our next steps
Peter Farrington:are what our rights are, speaking to solicitors, and Writing lots of letters
Peter Farrington:and trying to get the whole thing sorted.
Peter Farrington:And in the midst of all this, I think with it also being Christmas, I've been
Peter Farrington:reflecting a bit on a verse in Isaiah 7, where God gives a sign to King Ahaz.
Peter Farrington:Ahaz asks for a sign from God.
Peter Farrington:And God says this is the sign that he gave to Ahaz of his salvation.
Peter Farrington:He says, Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son.
Peter Farrington:And shall call his name Immanuel, God with us, Immanuel, God with us.
Peter Farrington:And I've been thinking, do I believe that God is with me?
Peter Farrington:Or do I just give into panic?
Peter Farrington:Do I believe that God is with me in such a way that it actually changes
Peter Farrington:the way that I respond to situations?
Peter Farrington:And if not, if that's not the case, do I really believe it?
Peter Farrington:That's the challenge.
Peter Farrington:That's what I'm talking about with faith and actually sitting in the chair,
Peter Farrington:trusting that it can hold your weight.
Peter Farrington:And all of reality is resting on a promise.
Peter Farrington:It's that promise that God will be true to his word, that he will be true to
Peter Farrington:himself and that he will not change.
Peter Farrington:And that's how much is at stake here.
Peter Farrington:It's God's very nature and character.
Peter Farrington:Is he trustworthy?
Peter Farrington:Is there any integrity in him?
Peter Farrington:But Matthew 24 verse 35 speaks again about God's integrity and his faithfulness
Peter Farrington:and his ability to fulfill his promises.
Peter Farrington:It says this, Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Peter Farrington:Isaiah 55 verse 11 says, So shall my word be that goes out from my mouth.
Peter Farrington:It shall not return to me empty.
Peter Farrington:But it shall accomplish that which I purpose and shall succeed in
Peter Farrington:the thing for which I sent it.
Peter Farrington:There's another quote from Spurgeon that I love where he says, Did not the Lord
Peter Farrington:hang the world upon nothing but his word?
Peter Farrington:And cannot we hang our souls there too?
Peter Farrington:It is grand to stand like the arch of heaven, unpillared and yet unmoved,
Peter Farrington:resting only on the invisible God.
Peter Farrington:And the storm that was so great that Paul was in, that they couldn't
Peter Farrington:trust any longer in their skill or expertise and all that stuff.
Peter Farrington:This really speaks to the way in which God has saved us in Jesus Christ.
Peter Farrington:Because he's done it in such a way that we have no claim to boasting.
Peter Farrington:We can't say, ah, I did that was me, because I mentioned earlier about,
Peter Farrington:about Moses and those 400 years of history between Moses and Solomon.
Peter Farrington:But when Moses was in was in Egypt with the Israelites, God delivered his
Peter Farrington:people out from under the oppression of Pharaoh, who would enslave years.
Peter Farrington:Just as he promised to Moses, as they walked through the sea, he held up
Peter Farrington:the waters on either side for the Israelites to walk through on dry ground.
Peter Farrington:And then they turned around and were able to see the waters of
Peter Farrington:the sea crash over their enemies.
Peter Farrington:And in a similar way, we can look back and see that God, because of what Jesus
Peter Farrington:has done for us on the cross, that God has cast our sins into the depths of the sea.
Peter Farrington:And just as the Israelites saw the waters destroy their enemies,
Peter Farrington:that's what God has done.
Peter Farrington:That's what God has done with our sin.
Peter Farrington:He's put it in the bottom of the sea, just as he said he would do.
Peter Farrington:And so today you can hang your soul on his word, the word of his promise.
Peter Farrington:You can trust him.
Peter Farrington:You can trust that he is good, that he is faithful.
Peter Farrington:And that he's powerful and that he will do everything that he has said he will do.
Peter Farrington:So thank you very much for listening.
Peter Farrington:Bye bye.
Peter Farrington:Sorry,
Dan Orange:clicking buttons.
Dan Orange:That was great, wasn't it?
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:I really Pete's talks.
Dan Orange:He's nice and clear and down to earth.
Dan Orange:It's great to hear.
Dan Orange:Great to hear, not just his sort of explanation of the word
Dan Orange:of God, but also to hear him.
Dan Orange:Use it in his own life.
Ruth Orange:Yeah, and it's just, he's not just talking from a book.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:It's real, isn't it, when you can tell he's talking real.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah, that's really good, I like that.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:I like this is the reason I do this, is that because I believe
Dan Orange:Christianity and God is real, obviously, but not just real as in, I believe it.
Dan Orange:And like people say, it's a chair, we can rely on it, but that we've
Dan Orange:seen it in our lives and we use it we have to rely on him and his promises.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:What, looking back at the talk, what things stood out to you?
Dan Orange:What points
Ruth Orange:it was.
Ruth Orange:Yeah, there's lots of things.
Ruth Orange:I think.
Ruth Orange:What was the first thing?
Ruth Orange:The first, I think the first thing I was thought of in this first
Ruth Orange:paragraph really, he was talking about the captain of the ship doesn't
Ruth Orange:listen, didn't listen to Paul.
Ruth Orange:Did he?
Ruth Orange:He listened to the other, no, I can't remember who.
Ruth Orange:There's two people, didn't they?
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:The owner.
Ruth Orange:Was it the owner?
Ruth Orange:Yes.
Dan Orange:Owner and the captain.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:And at first it's yeah, because you'd think that because the owner knows the
Ruth Orange:ship, the captain knows what to do, but I thought it just immediately made me
Ruth Orange:think of life now and society now that you people don't listen to God because
Ruth Orange:they, they think somebody who's got a degree or somebody who's written all
Ruth Orange:these books or somebody that's got lots of money on the telly, listen to them because
Ruth Orange:they know what they're talking about.
Ruth Orange:But when you think about it.
Ruth Orange:Oh my goodness, God, surely God knows more what he's talking about
Ruth Orange:than anybody else because he's the one that started everything off.
Ruth Orange:So I think it's really easy to, because there is a lot of
Ruth Orange:information out there, isn't it?
Ruth Orange:Even more now easily
Dan Orange:to hear.
Dan Orange:It's easier to find stuff, isn't it?
Dan Orange:Yeah, it really is.
Dan Orange:And it can be, it's probably a very small amount that's true.
Dan Orange:We can find information.
Dan Orange:Yeah,
Ruth Orange:very quickly.
Ruth Orange:And I think for Christians as well it's a.
Ruth Orange:Yeah, it's a great place to be careful of because you can have a question,
Ruth Orange:just Google it quickly or look something up instead of the first.
Ruth Orange:And that is not bad to do that, is it?
Ruth Orange:Of course it's not.
Ruth Orange:But the first thing, isn't it best first to be like, God
Ruth Orange:what are you saying about this?
Ruth Orange:What have you said?
Ruth Orange:And then base everything on that.
Ruth Orange:It's much more secure place, way to live our lives.
Dan Orange:Yeah, I agree totally.
Dan Orange:And the interesting thing was that it wasn't just Paul.
Dan Orange:So Paul knew from God that they were going to be safe.
Dan Orange:He had that truth, but he also had experience of three shipwrecks as well.
Dan Orange:So it's yeah, I've been in this situation before.
Dan Orange:This isn't good.
Dan Orange:I can tell you.
Dan Orange:Yeah, I like that.
Dan Orange:So he had that practical experience.
Dan Orange:Yeah, but he also, he'd heard from God too.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:And it doesn't, and it shows also, doesn't it, that God's not saying, look, I'll
Ruth Orange:keep you, I'll keep you at peace as in nothing bad's going to happen to you.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:This is, that's the thing.
Dan Orange:This is Paul, the person that bought the message of Christ through Europe
Dan Orange:and the Roman Empire, and God allowed that he'd be shipped back three times.
Dan Orange:If not, if this is the, the fourth
Ruth Orange:time.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:And it's, yeah.
Ruth Orange:I just think I, I like that because you, he was in the storm.
Ruth Orange:It doesn't mean there's not going to be any storms, but God's
Ruth Orange:in it, in the storm with us.
Ruth Orange:And so often we can believe God said something to us or read something
Ruth Orange:from the Bible and say, yeah, this is the right way to do it.
Ruth Orange:Or God said this in the Bible, and then something happens that isn't very nice.
Ruth Orange:And we think, Oh my goodness, God's left us.
Ruth Orange:Why is that happened?
Ruth Orange:happened?
Ruth Orange:He hasn't left us, just bad stuff happens, doesn't it?
Ruth Orange:Yes, it does.
Ruth Orange:Yeah, but it's easy to
Peter Farrington:do,
Dan Orange:it is, yeah.
Dan Orange:And that, I like that point that Peter brought up that Charles
Dan Orange:Spurgeon said and we, it's very easy to forget the promises that God,
Dan Orange:so promises God has spoken over us.
Dan Orange:in the past, so things he's spoken to in the past, and he's done.
Dan Orange:So if you've been a Christian for a while, you'll know, things that he's
Dan Orange:done for you, he's answered prayers, and we can forget those things.
Dan Orange:But if you haven't been a Christian, or you've not experienced that, you can
Dan Orange:read his word, and know that's the truth.
Dan Orange:And know his character.
Dan Orange:Yeah, isn't it great that the character of God is true, and
Dan Orange:the Bible doesn't say anywhere.
Dan Orange:He got messed up or he did 99.
Dan Orange:9 percent of everything he said, he accomplished all that he said.
Ruth Orange:It says that Peter said something about that, didn't he?
Ruth Orange:Not a jot or tittle.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:No, I think that I can't remember.
Ruth Orange:Somebody told me about what tittles are.
Ruth Orange:I can't remember.
Ruth Orange:Something to do with, are they to do with money?
Ruth Orange:I'm not sure.
Ruth Orange:But but I love that, that he doesn't just do what he says.
Ruth Orange:Every jot and every little bit, every jot and tilde is done.
Ruth Orange:Yeah, even the bits that we've forgotten that you said you would do for us.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:I quite looking at I'm not in any way an archaeologist.
Dan Orange:I just I find it interesting people, what people dig up and find.
Dan Orange:And there's a friend who we knew from a long way back, John McNeill,
Dan Orange:and he's an expert in this.
Dan Orange:And he knows all about, I don't know, he could probably read hieroglyphics
Dan Orange:and all that kind of stuff.
Dan Orange:And.
Dan Orange:There'll be gaps in our history that we have in our books of
Dan Orange:different things that have happened.
Dan Orange:But the Bible will have, a record of a king or a city or something that's
Dan Orange:happened and secular, it's happened a few times that secular history
Dan Orange:goes, Oh, but that didn't happen.
Dan Orange:We haven't got any record of it.
Dan Orange:And then there'll be out excavating and digging and find
Dan Orange:some kind of tablet and go.
Dan Orange:Ah, that's that city that's written in the Bible and I love that, that
Dan Orange:things that we see outside just keep filling in and proving God to us and
Dan Orange:showing that his words are correct and his histories, his history is right.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Is there anything else that
Ruth Orange:you've got written down?
Ruth Orange:Yeah, there's loads of There's loads of stuff that he was saying,
Ruth Orange:I really like and then the verse where it talks about the God to whom
Ruth Orange:I belong, I don't know what to say about that, but I love that verse.
Ruth Orange:I just, I don't know, just something about Peter's words, like Peter's, that Peter
Ruth Orange:Farrington, but also, the person who wrote that, Paul it's just very, that's great.
Ruth Orange:Like you're talking about being real, that's real, isn't it?
Ruth Orange:He knew who he belonged to.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:If you know who you belong to, that's you're going to be okay.
Ruth Orange:You don't have to know everything in the Bible, but if you know who you
Ruth Orange:belong to, then you can keep going and you can do stuff that's hard.
Dan Orange:And I also, so Peter talked about, God knows our frame, he knows who
Dan Orange:we are and he knows our makeup as well.
Dan Orange:He knows that we do worry, he knows that we do forget things, yet he's still.
Dan Orange:Persist, he still put up with us and he still said to Paul, don't be afraid.
Dan Orange:So that message wasn't go and tell the sailors and the others don't be afraid.
Dan Orange:He did that anyway, but that don't be afraid was to Paul and Paul knew
Dan Orange:that God had told him before it's okay, you're going to get to Rome,
Dan Orange:but he still says, don't be afraid.
Dan Orange:He still knows.
Dan Orange:Okay.
Dan Orange:I've done all these things for you.
Dan Orange:I know you trust me, but I'm going to just say it to help you.
Dan Orange:Don't
Ruth Orange:be afraid.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:And he doesn't roll his eyes.
Ruth Orange:Peter said that.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:I love that.
Ruth Orange:I literally, the other day I was thinking, I was walking to work and thinking, Oh
Ruth Orange:God, you must be rolling your eyes at me again because I'm saying, I'm finding
Ruth Orange:something hard or thinking I can't do it.
Ruth Orange:My default a lot of times is, Oh man, what am I doing?
Ruth Orange:I can't do this.
Ruth Orange:But he doesn't roll his eyes at me, he tells me that I can, or, okay, maybe you
Ruth Orange:don't think you can Ruth, but I can do it.
Ruth Orange:That's what I've been learning about the last few days actually.
Ruth Orange:He's wherever he puts us, or even if we've made a mistake and we've put
Ruth Orange:ourselves in the wrong place, I do believe that if we give ourselves totally over
Ruth Orange:to him, he can do anything with us.
Ruth Orange:Anything, nothing's impossible.
Ruth Orange:He says that in the Bible, doesn't it?
Ruth Orange:And I do think the more, the less of us and the more of him, he
Ruth Orange:can do whatever he needs to do.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:I I wrote down that we can put our trust in God and Paul
Dan Orange:put his trust in God still with shipwrecked, still things happen to him.
Dan Orange:And it reminded me of Daniel.
Dan Orange:And Daniel said, even when his.
Dan Orange:Him and his friends were thrown into the, or his friends were thrown into the fire.
Dan Orange:I trust God, but even if I die, I trust God.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Isn't that great?
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Just I trust God that he's got me.
Dan Orange:I trust God that he's saved me.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:I don't know all his plans.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:I don't know where my life practically is going.
Dan Orange:Can I still trust
Ruth Orange:him?
Ruth Orange:Can you just hear him?
Ruth Orange:Who he is?
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Not that the next thing is going to be easier, what we thought it was going
Ruth Orange:to be, but we can trust who he is.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah, absolutely.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Like the chair thing Peter was talking about that it's
Ruth Orange:proven that as well, isn't it?
Ruth Orange:We can say we trust him.
Ruth Orange:But that's what Peter said, didn't it?
Ruth Orange:It's a faith that there's two different types of faith, but will I, will we
Ruth Orange:allow What we believe to change how we live and if we don't, if we say believe
Ruth Orange:in, but then we don't do something because we're not sure or we, I don't
Ruth Orange:know, we let ourself worry so much that we don't enjoy what we're doing or at
Ruth Orange:peace, what we believe isn't changing our lives and how we live, is it?
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:If I was with my friend the other day, where were we going?
Ruth Orange:My sense of direction is like the worst in the world, Dan knows that.
Ruth Orange:And I was with my friend, I think we went to Treasure Oaks and I didn't know
Ruth Orange:whether we, when we came out the door, cause it's all in square, isn't it?
Ruth Orange:I didn't know whether we needed to go left or right, like which way we'd come.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:And she was like, Ruth, how have you been like all these countries and not got lost
Ruth Orange:because your sense of direction is so bad.
Ruth Orange:But if I had relied on my sense of direction, there's no way
Ruth Orange:I would have stepped out the door, let alone get on a plane.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:But a trusted God would get me to where he said he was going to get me.
Ruth Orange:And he always did, always, every time.
Ruth Orange:And I'm, yeah, I'm glad that I did because my life is different because I did.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:I've written down here that belief leads us to trust.
Dan Orange:So the more we believe in the more experience we have in
Dan Orange:God, the more you can trust.
Dan Orange:If you don't have that, then.
Dan Orange:Then read about, read the Bible, see all the stories in there, other people, find
Dan Orange:other people and read their stories.
Dan Orange:I love listening to testimonies.
Dan Orange:There's, you can listen to that crowd of the crowd stories, which are brilliant.
Dan Orange:Just people now living now and answers to prayers, great, really great stories.
Dan Orange:Just brilliant, amazing what God has done through normal people.
Dan Orange:And then.
Dan Orange:There's loads of books.
Dan Orange:I've listened to a book.
Dan Orange:There's a guy now called Rhys Howells, Intercessor, and it's the
Dan Orange:first time I've read that book.
Dan Orange:Is it?
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Oh, brilliant book.
Dan Orange:And it's amazing how God speaks to a man.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:I'm in a few weeks time, I'm doing a talk on prayer.
Dan Orange:And one of the things that's really stood out to me on this is prayer
Dan Orange:isn't throwing things out to God.
Dan Orange:Prayer is answers.
Dan Orange:It's it's a two way, two way thing and it's great to, to hear just
Dan Orange:practical stories of God, hearing
Ruth Orange:and answering.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:And then prove God, sit on that chair say to God what do you want me how do you want
Ruth Orange:this to go or what do you want me to do?
Ruth Orange:And put it out to him and then prove him and he'll, he will speak and
Ruth Orange:he will let you know what he wants.
Ruth Orange:And it's, but also if you're going to say that kind of thing, be
Ruth Orange:prepared because he will answer.
Ruth Orange:So many times, just literally the week I prayed something and two days later.
Ruth Orange:I felt like my world was totally shaken again.
Ruth Orange:Oh my goodness.
Ruth Orange:What?
Ruth Orange:Why do I feel like this?
Ruth Orange:What is going on?
Ruth Orange:Why is everything cool?
Ruth Orange:Like a volcano inside me.
Ruth Orange:And then suddenly felt kind of God reminded me, Ruth, you just
Ruth Orange:prayed that prayer the other day.
Ruth Orange:I was like, Oh my goodness.
Ruth Orange:Yes, I did.
Ruth Orange:Didn't it?
Ruth Orange:And that, but he, so if you pray in some ink, if you thought then
Ruth Orange:be prepared because he's, he doesn't, yeah, he doesn't, he
Ruth Orange:takes things seriously, doesn't he?
Ruth Orange:And he's, I love the verse where he says, I'm, he's a jealous God.
Ruth Orange:I don't know.
Ruth Orange:If that's related to this or not, but he does this, yeah,
Ruth Orange:he didn't take things lightly.
Ruth Orange:No,
Dan Orange:no, it doesn't.
Dan Orange:And it says everything will pass away.
Dan Orange:Yeah, but his word will remain.
Dan Orange:And I love that he is whenever I'm praying for people.
Dan Orange:I, I often pray that his just repeating the phrase is his
Dan Orange:word doesn't return to us void.
Dan Orange:Return void.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:When God speaks, it has to change things that's just inherent
Dan Orange:in God's word and his power.
Dan Orange:It can't come back to him void at the end.
Dan Orange:There will be nothing, but there will be His word at the beginning there
Dan Orange:was nothing but his word and it word spoke and everything came into being.
Dan Orange:I love that.
Dan Orange:And he's given us.
Dan Orange:Tongue, hasn't he?
Dan Orange:He's given us words to speak to so we can ask him for things that we
Dan Orange:can celebrate, that we can worship.
Ruth Orange:And we can call things into being too, because
Ruth Orange:we have that spirit in us.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:And he mentioned about casting our sins into the depths of sea, didn't he, Peter?
Ruth Orange:That's a truth, a word, but we can so often Forget that or bring
Dan Orange:them, bring them back, dredge them back up.
Dan Orange:Can't
Peter Farrington:we?
Peter Farrington:Why are you doing that?
Peter Farrington:They're
Ruth Orange:in the depths of the sea.
Peter Farrington:Yeah.
Peter Farrington:God's forgotten about them.
Peter Farrington:Yeah.
Dan Orange:He's forgotten about them.
Dan Orange:Why do we bring them back up?
Peter Farrington:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:So it's proving sitting on that chair all the time.
Ruth Orange:I'm going to remember that this week.
Ruth Orange:Sit on the chair, Ruth.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Remember our promises.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:And not.
Ruth Orange:Promise of who he is, yeah.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:And he's, yeah, he's unchangeableness.
Dan Orange:Yeah, is there anything else you had written down?
Ruth Orange:I think that was all of the things.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Matt's put that down, yeah, sit on the chair.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:And we've got, there's some questions, not really much about the talk, so someone's
Dan Orange:asked Ashton, where's the studio based?
Dan Orange:And we're in a idyllic industrial estate in the heart of Liverpool.
Dan Orange:Yeah, most of the crowd that are hosting and doing the talks are
Dan Orange:based in Liverpool, but there's some around and about as well.
Dan Orange:Are there?
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:I don't always do it from the studio.
Ruth Orange:No,
Dan Orange:no, some of the talks are done by people, out and about.
Dan Orange:Cool.
Dan Orange:And, oh, yeah, I had a quick look at Ashton, he said Yeah.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Pete.
Dan Orange:In the Bible it says Immanuel and it's about with an I And
Ruth Orange:I noticed that before Christmas.
Dan Orange:Yeah, it is.
Dan Orange:In most versions of the Bible it's about with an I, but on
Dan Orange:Christmas cards it's an e.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:I don't it must be just a spelling thing.
Dan Orange:One of those things that's, it's a translation, isn't it?
Dan Orange:So how it's come across.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:So we've got, next week we have Sharon and Rachel hosting.
Dan Orange:And it'll be the penultimate Acts talk by Will and after the Acts talks, we've got
Dan Orange:some great new series coming up as well, so we've got Roots of the Spirit, we've
Dan Orange:got some practical talks on different things about being a Christian, so I'm
Dan Orange:quite looking forward to those talks.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:It's been a
Dan Orange:Oh, I never know quite how to sum up what we've said.
Dan Orange:I wish I could pause and do a bit of a, in the uk.
Dan Orange:So if you are not listening from the uk, there's a series called
Dan Orange:Grand Designs and at the end it's this amazing little summing up.
Dan Orange:But anyway, trust on his promises.
Dan Orange:Believe, believe in that chair, know that God.
Dan Orange:It's good and it's not, we're not here saying we've got it all sorted.
Dan Orange:I've got things with my work at the moment that I've desperately trust in God
Dan Orange:for and I have to put my trust in him.
Dan Orange:That's, it's my it's not just my spiritual life.
Dan Orange:It's my livelihood and we do this and we.
Dan Orange:Yeah, I'll happily come back next week and whenever I'm hosting again
Dan Orange:and tell you how things are going.
Dan Orange:Yeah,
Ruth Orange:and let it change your life.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Ruth Orange:That's the thing.
Ruth Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:And if you've got any prayer requests that you'd like the team here
Dan Orange:to pray for you, please just email them.
Dan Orange:You can put it on their message as well, but just drop a, an email or text to the
Dan Orange:WhatsApp and we'd love to pray for you.
Dan Orange:We'd love to see.
Dan Orange:We love to give our requests to God and not just for us, for others as well.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Great.
Dan Orange:We'll see you all next week.
Dan Orange:Thanks so much for listening.
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