It is Supernatural Season 2, Episode 7 "The Usual Suspects" and Linda Blair has come to town but her head isn't spinning. You know whose head IS spinning? That is Zona Shue, The Greenbrier Ghost! Is it true crime? A ghost story? We don't know!

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On this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast, we're going to talk about how Satan's it service is here for all your data, soaps, malware needs.

Linda Blair's head stays on straight, but Zona Shoes doesn't.

All right, let's do this.

Welcome to this week's episode of Devil's Trap podcast.

I'm Diana.

Hi, Liz.

And this week we're talking about season two, episode seven, the Usual Suspects.

But first.

But first, let's talk about everything that's been going on.

What's going on with you, Diana?

Well, we'll do the good news, bad news.

Interesting stuff, I guess.

The good news is Duchess is back at home.

So my 63 Cadillac sedan Deville is back on the road, back in the garage, ready to be driven.

And I have been doing that because it makes me happy.

And now you can put her in reverse.

She has reverse.

She has all the gears.

I can drive on the highway.

And it's like a normal rpm.

That doesn't sound like the car is going to burn up.

So is a transmission swap.

Yeah.

So that's my exciting news in the good news department.

In the less good news department.

My sweet baby doggy ash is turning 13 next month and he hurt his leg.

So we're starting funds right now.

He's pretty highly medicated and we're going to be starting some anti inflammatories and some laser treatments for him because he's kind of hobble hopping around right now on one of his back legs, which is terribly sad for a doggo.

But it.

When he's real high and looks real confused, it's kind of funny.

So I'm just trying to find the joy.

But at least it gets to be high.

And maybe at some point you can get him a doggy wheelchair.

And we all love a doggy wheelchair.

And since he's so big, it would have to be like a really large doggy wheelchair.

And you could put streamers on it and it'd be great.

I thought about it.

I thought about.

I'm like, how do I teach him how to handle wheels?

Like this is a thing.

I might need to do this.

But yeah.

And then our.

One of our other dogs is very.

Was very distraught about things and decided to eat porn part of a door about it last night.

So that, that wasn't fun.

But yeah, so I guess that.

And then I'm.

I'm getting my countdown to a little family vacation.

Going to road trip into Destin.

There we go.

Florida.

Yeah, Alligators and weirdos I'm already trying.

To look up all like the dumb shit to see on the road trip.

Because I'm the asshole that will make.

Because like caravans I have my parents and my sister and my brother in law and my niece and I'm the asshole that's like, oh, we need to stop to go to the bathro bedroom.

We're gonna stop here.

That has the, like, I don't know, the eight foot, eight foot rooster in front of it or oh, this is the second largest dumbass sculpture in the country of whatever random item.

There's a brick made of bricks I found somewhere.

Yeah.

So I'm, I'm that jerk because.

But they all cut like, go, Diana, you gotta play on the route.

All right, let's do this, motherfuckers.

So wait, so you did not include this in your PowerPoint?

For those of you who don't know, before Diana goes on a vacation, not only does she make an Excel spreadsheet of all the things to think about, she also turns it into a PowerPoint presentation which she makes a whole family sit through as she goes through and tells them everything they will be doing on their vacation.

You were not a control freak at all.

No, no.

To be fair, last year was kind of a joke.

I did it.

We did a big road trip out to a big bend and it was kind of a joke.

And I drank a lot of wine and there was a lot of slides and a lot of really awful transitions.

This one, I kind of had like some last minute pressure to do it.

I didn't put any of my fun roadside stuff in it, but there was bad transitions and I had zero wine while I was making this.

But it gave an overview of the recommended route and a list of potential restaurants.

And we're going to stop in New Orleans for night.

So that should be fun on the way back.

Yeah.

I will say, as you're going to Louisiana, you should try and find the swamp witch's graveyard.

You have to go into a swamp and I think you have to take a boat to get to her.

But like, as you go by there, you can hear her singing.

Like, when I die, I'm going to take y' all with me.

And yeah, and I think you should find her.

I'm gonna.

I'd like you to imagine talking my sister into that stop.

I mean, you tell her there's froze.

At the we're going to Louisiana's Best unlimited froze.

And then you'd be like, ha ha,.

We're in a swamp looking for A witch.

Oh, my God.

It's a really good story.

And my niece would just give me a stink eye.

Like, she wouldn't even be, like, scared or upset.

She'd just look at me like.

I'm like, roast.

Like, what is wrong?

Now your.

Your niece would start singing a lot, by the way.

Her niece is the one who does, like, you know, a lot of our voice things.

You know, she does our lore and in our clothesline.

Yeah.

So that's your niece who's a weirdo.

And we love weirdos.

So.

Speaking of weirdos, last night I watched the Summer Solstice live live podcasting for Morbid, and it was great.

Ash and Elena dressed up in what they call moomoos, but all about ritual sacrifice, and it was fantastic.

There was.

It was a really good time.

Highly recommended.

If you haven't checked out for it, go check out their podcast.

It's great.

And they talked about one of the.

Cases that I was looking into about the carnival serial killers.

Like, they had a cult, and so that happened.

And then they talked about the Brides of Christ, which was also a really good cult.

So it was a good time.

So that was what I did last night for my Sunday and for Summer Solstice.

I didn't sacrifice anything, but, you know.

And then on Saturday, did you sacrifice.

A bottle of wine?

No, I did not drink any wine last night.

Well, I tried to drink some, and then my stomach was like, so.

But Saturday, my friend from Baltimore came by along with his girlfriend who's from San Antonio, and she went to high school with Jared Padalecki.

So if you go and look at our Instagram, we got pictures.

We got pictures of Jared in his junior year.

I also saw some things from his senior year, but apparently he didn't take his senior photo because he had to go to the Nickelodeon's Kid Choice Awards.

But the picture of him in his junior year is epic.

It's really.

It looks like Gilmore Boy hair.

I think that was probably right when he was written.

He may have been too young.

I don't know.

It was like, perfect 90s hair, and it's just amazing.

And also a picture of him and his natural honor society.

We also.

So that was Saturday.

And then the most exciting thing, though, is that I finally finished my 3D printer build.

All you who told me to buy a kit, go yourself.

I like.

Why didn't you say, just spend 300 extra dollars and they'll put it all together for you?

No, you're gonna spend, like a week crying.

And, like, why Are there tiny screws everywhere?

Why are there so many tiny screws?

But I did do gummy bears and you only have one injury.

I did.

I finished all the gummy bears.

I have one injury.

It's very devastating.

It's a.

It's a nail split and it's really hard.

So to celebrate that, tonight I opened.

Up the big ass, really expensive Texas ride from Calais.

It's a delicious Bordeaux.

I've been saving them and I have been.

This is the 3D printer, guys.

This has been a project in the making for like probably over a year and.

And then after I got it, it sat in my living room and mocked me forever because I was like, I don't have time to do this.

I knew it was going to be time consuming.

And then finally I got inspired because I want to print tiny things for murder dioramas.

So, yeah, now it's built.

It's exciting.

And we can start.

We can print all we can print.

You want supernatural shit printed?

I can make you some supernatural shit.

When it comes to conventions.

We're going to have some flagship for you guys.

So hopefully we'll see you all at the next.

I think the first con we're going to is not until January because we just have too much shit going on.

I have a lot of plans.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And just wait till you see the rest of the concerts coming out because it's going to be fucking insane.

They're not.

Yeah, no.

I'm already trying to convince my friend that we should go to Glasgow for his birthday to go see Madness because they were supposed to play the original punk rock bowling and they canceled and they are coming for next year.

Punk rock bowling.

But I'm like, hey, it's your birthday.

You want to go to Scotland?

Let's go to Scotland and see Madness.

This sounds like a really good idea.

We've already bought tickets for punk rock bowling.

We bought tickets for whatever the sad.

Tour is in LA next year with Morrissey and the Damned and just like every, every like 80s 90s, like gothy band I want to dance to.

Yep.

So it's.

I, yeah, I am ready.

I am ready for shows.

Diana bought us tickets for a show in Dallas in a couple weeks.

We're gonna see the Antagonizers.

Gives me awesome Dallas punk rock bands.

It's gonna be great.

Yep.

I'm all.

I am here for it.

We're ready.

And I do need to order my crown.

For that, we're going to go to Medieval Times and we all like.

Yes.

You have a deadline this week, Diana, because it's got to get here in time.

So pick out your damn crowns.

Okay?

Paper crowns ain't gonna cut it.

We noted paper crowns.

No, but I like trying to figure out how deep I want to take this joke because I've seen some.

I mean, technically I could print myself.

A crown now, right?

But there are some complicated.

Yeah, it's.

There's already designs that are out there for the most part.

So if I don't have to design it, it's probably pretty easy.

But yeah, there's some good ones.

Like, there's like ones that are like all skulls and hands, but those are kind of plasticky.

And I don't want a plastic.

I kind of want something that's made out of metal.

It'll be epic.

Yeah.

I will have a weekend of punk rock.

Punk rock music and Medieval Times.

You know, this is what happens when you don't have.

Have kids and have disposable income.

You're like, what are you gonna do?

I'm gonna buy an expensive crown because I want to.

Hell yeah.

All right, so we know what I'm drinking.

What are you drinking?

I'm drinking a.

A just.

It's a tempranillo.

It's not even worth mentioning.

And I forgot, I thought was when I liked.

And I realized this one, that's just okay because I bought it the other day.

I was like, just in a hurry at the freaking grocery store.

I'm like, yeah, we're low on red.

Let me grab this one.

I think I remember this label.

And now I'm like, so.

Yeah, well, drink it very fast.

Yeah, I should do that.

Help me relax too.

Stress.

Get the anxiety level down a little bit.

Yeah.

So there we go.

That's.

That's.

That's my world right now.

That's all today too.

So I feel like that's like how I'm like processing anxiety is if I don't get angry, I get sing songy, which is a really questionable way to go.

But that's okay.

I found myself too.

This is going to be fun in front of people.

I'm usually.

Yeah, I'm usually the one who sings everything.

So it'll be fun to have these tables turn until we start singing together after.

Because by the way, this bottle of wine is also like 15, so I know.

That's why I was kind of like, whoa.

I'm kind of shocked you went for It.

And I'm a little jealous, though.

But yeah, I know it'll be.

Oh, yeah.

If I remember, I will bring them up to Dallas.

All right, let's get this shit going.

All right, so season two, episode seven, the Usual Suspects.

That's a terrible name.

I don't like it.

I think it was a cop out.

I know where that's coming from.

But there's like, there's nothing in here.

That is like the Usual Suspects.

Like, if it was more of a heisty episode but instead of being a cop procedural.

But whatever.

Procedurals.

I do love a cop procedural.

This is not a good cop procedural.

I was just.

I was watching it.

I'm like, oh, this is very cop procedural.

I wonder if Liz likes this because she likes a lot of those.

I mean, I don't dislike them, but you watch more than I do.

I think if it had been the.

First time I seen it, I made a.

May have had a different opinion.

But having seen this multiple times, it doesn't hold up.

Also, you know, it's not Law and Order svu, which is.

I tried watching Law and Order UK the other day and it just didn't work.

But I did find out that if you get a Paramount Plus Prescription.

Prescription subscription, now I have access to all the 48 hours.

And it's fantastic.

Murder show.

Murder show.

It was directed by Mike Rolle.

This was his first episode of Supernatural, but he will go on to do many more.

But he's also really well known for being responsible for the Princess Switch movies.

And I'm just saying responsible because he's the one who made those a thing.

I'm not saying that I haven't watched all of the Princess witch movies.

Actually.

I don't know.

I know I saw the first one and all those Hallmark movies kind of blend together.

Yeah, they do.

There's not like.

There's not a huge variation in plot line.

No, there's a Hallmark factory where they can literally pump these out.

Like, Candace Cameron is just sitting there, like, whipping people.

Sorry, it's probably bad, but she's just like, Cameron.

Candace Cameron is just there, like, forcing everyone to make all their Christmas movies.

And she's just like, no, I'm just gonna.

I don't know what she would pull from them.

But yes, this is a winter wonderland.

Damn it.

Like, it's July, but you will.

You.

You will enjoy your Santa switch.

Anyways, that was Mike Roll.

It was written by Catherine Humphries.

She's the one who wrote.

Co. Wrote Dead Man's Blood.

That was the first time she was in there, so.

Which actually was a pretty good episode.

And, you know, Catherine.

All right, not a cop procedural writer.

You guys took some.

You took some risks.

And there is also something exciting that.

Happens in this episode, obviously, but we'll get to that.

All right, so let's just go.

We're gonna go back to Baltimore.

I know.

I was laughing.

I was like, baltimore?

What?

You were just there?

All right.

Yeah, in Baltimore and this episode.

I'll just kind of say I found, like, obviously it was easy to follow watching, but I'll say describing and, like, the narrative of it.

It is a lot of, like, there's a time jump in the way they shot it.

And so I feel like I just.

That's my little.

Like, I'm putting out there in advance that, like, it might be hard for us to explain, like, where the episode's jumping around to, but we'll do our best on our synopsis.

So we start in Baltimore at the City Center Motel, and we see a SWAT team coming up on the motel.

And in the background, you're hearing a detective guy talking about credit card fraud, breaking and entering, grave desecration, murder.

And he references St. Louis and a torture and murderer there.

And so basically, we're figuring out that Dean is in jail and being questioned by this detective.

And the SWAT team busts into this motel to get Sam.

And the detective that's leading the SWAT team is.

Her name is Diana and is played by none other than Linda Blair.

Yep.

So in order to not be confusing,.

I'm just calling her Linda throughout the rest of this because I don't want to say Diana over and over again.

So, yeah, her name.

We're just calling Linda.

I could call her Reagan, which, you know, would be, you know, probably a.

Little much, but we'll stick with Linda.

That's fine.

All right.

So.

And she just.

So we see her.

She's just.

Basically, she knows all about Sam.

She's kind of talking about his background and says that while she's got him back in custody, obviously, she explains, like, she knows all about him.

She knows his family.

Basically, she's trying to get Sam to confess that Dean's a bad fucking guy and killed some dude in Baltimore.

That's where we're at.

And so.

And Dean's kind of like.

Or Sam Sorry.

Sam's basically like, hey, y'.

All.

All y' all got a circumstantial shit anyways, so I'm not telling you anything.

But I was a law student.

Yes, I know all the laws.

And she's like, yeah, because you went to Stanford.

And she does.

She really breaks down his life, which is kind of a good summary.

Yeah.

In case you wanted to know what Sam's life was, one of the things I think got pointed out that was interesting was that we do learn some things through this.

Like, so there's.

There's still some exposition of their life that's coming out of this.

What I thought was well done.

But, you know, we learned that Sam was actually Sam's apartment that Jessica died in and not Jessica's.

And I think that's, you know, an interesting thing.

Like, we didn't.

We never knew that.

Now we know it was Sam.

So.

Yeah.

And then he was a straight A student, even though he got moved around a lot through high school.

Yeah.

He had a hard life, but he was.

And he got a full ride.

Stanford.

Yeah.

And then it all up.

Sam.

Yeah.

Fucked it all up.

And he's like.

Give an excuse about, like, why he's out driving with his brother and they're having their little brother road trip wise.

Morning.

But yeah, so basically she says they're exhuming this body back in St. Louis.

They're exuming the body that is believed to be Dean because, remember, Dean faked his death in the shapeshifter episode.

Well.

And it does make me wonder what the.

What is the corpse?

What's in there?

Does a shapeshifter corpse turn back into its original shape?

Is there an original shape?

What does it do?

I don't know.

Yeah.

I mean, does it become a weird monster?

Like, is it Revolver or is it still going to be Dean?

And if it's Dean, does it have its DNA?

Like, they never.

I want this question answered.

I want to know what they pulled out.

I was thinking this, too.

I'm like, what are they doing?

And they never.

If I recall, they don't really ever come back to this.

Like, no answering this exhumation question anyways.

So she's basically saying that Dean's as good as gone and Sam needs to just flip on his brother, which we all know Sam ain't gonna do.

So spoiler alert there.

So we get, like, kind of a flashback and it shows that basically they were.

They're talking about how this guy, like, Giles.

Sam's telling the story about how this guy Mr. Giles was a friend of their dad's that served with him.

And obviously he's fucking lying because they're good at this.

And the brothers get in and argue.

They're going to go basically find out how this guy got his throat slit with no prints, no footage, no evidence of anybody else being there.

And then we have a funny argument between Sam and Dean about how which one of them is Scully or Mulder.

Yeah, why would you want to be Mulder?

Like, who wants to be David Duchovny?

Like he ends up being real weird.

Like he's in the new craft and it's really bizarre.

Yeah, it's really shitty.

But you should watch it.

Like you should.

It's really bad.

But Veruca Salt's in it, but you have to wait until like the last 10 seconds to like to find her.

But that's not her last name.

That's a band.

What's Veruca's last name?

Veruca?

I don't remember, but I don't remember anyways.

Yeah, no, there's that.

Oh my.

Also it made me very uncomfortable because the main character, she looks like a 12 year old boy or 12 year old girl, depending on which gender she wants to go with.

And then they have her like masturbating and making out with somebody and I'm like, they're over sexualizing a child and I can't watch this.

This is really creepy.

Please stop.

Please stop.

I'm all for like self exploration and stuff, but I can't watch children do that.

And it was like she's supposed to be 16.

16.

But no, you're so bad.

Okay, it's not Veruca.

It's Faruza Bulk.

Faruza.

Damn it.

Sorry.

Well, Faruza Bulk is very.

Does sound like Veruca Salt.

Very close.

I know.

I'm like, Veruca Salt.

Same thing, same thing.

It's cool, it's cool, it's cool.

But also, yeah, you should all want to be.

You all should all want to be Scully.

Like she's a smart one.

She investigates things.

She kind of has an open mind.

She's not a fucking cracked out weirdo like you are a skull.

Mulder.

So yeah, I mean, I don't hate Mulder, but definitely if I was going to be one, I mean, I want to believe, so I mean, I get it.

Mulder.

But if I was going to have to be one, I want to be school.

I want to believe with evidence, which.

Is why, you know, and also she's really pretty.

So everyone should want to be a red headed woman.

You're not biased.

Yeah.

So we cut to a scene where the brothers are pretending to be insurance agents and they're meeting with Karen Giles who is the widow.

Now I would like to point out that Karen is played by Keegan Conroe.

Tracy, who played multiple characters in Once Upon a Time, which I'm a big fan of.

And also one of the professors on the magicians.

She.

Yeah, I know.

I really liked her in the Magicians and I need to go back and.

I've tried to watch Once Upon a Time.

I just can't binge it for some reason.

It took me a bit to get into it.

I got ended up binging it but I really liked it.

Well, it's costume porn which is why I want to watch more of it.

But it's one of it just.

Yeah, it takes a bit.

But yeah, she's.

She also ends up being in the show a couple more times.

I saw that when I was double checking my casting.

I'm like wait a minute.

Yeah.

So they're basically trying to push her to tell like if she saw anything weird as her husband was dying, which is like around before he died.

And Dean's like weirdly pushy.

Like if some insurance agent be like was there anything, do you say anything he saw anything weird recently?

I'd be like, what?

He's dead off?

Like I don't know.

It seems like a really odd line of questioning.

And even Sam's looking at being like dude, back the off.

But it is effective because he does get an answer that he needs out of her.

And she basically says that he had this nightmare of a woman standing at the foot of the bed that was really pale with her dark red eyes.

So yeah, and he's just playing it off to the kind of cuts back and like it's kind of echoing back and forth between him being interrogated by Detective Linda and the actual scene.

And he's basically playing it off that they were friends with the widow.

Their dad knew, obviously knew the first victim.

Sam and Dean were friends with the widow and there's like they go to break into his office.

He's like, oh yeah, no, we're just going to retrieve something there from for her.

Some picture of them, whatever, as they're enter the office there they get into the first victim's office, Anthony or Tony Giles.

And it's like there's papers around that just say this name over and over and over again.

Dana Schultz.

C H U L P S the.

Mystery of Dana Schultz.

And it's like.

And it's like, it is full on like Kubrick style.

Like over and over again on a piece of paper printed out like on several sheets of paper laying around the office.

It's even rubbed into the glass on the desk.

And then Sam is going to try to crack his computer password.

And I was like, oh, Liz is gonna have something to say about that.

Of course I have something to say.

Sam settles in.

He's just sitting there typing away, trying to crack the computer password.

You know, like you do.

Like that's just what you do.

You just sit at this computer and then you type that in and.

And you don't have another computer to do that with.

And you're not, you know, you're just going into.

But it's also.

It could have been like a vista.

Or like an XP, which were pretty easy to pass.

You know, you could, you could crack those pretty easily, but it wouldn't, you know, either you're going to be in or you're going to be out.

Like it's not going to take you a few hours.

Either you can get in or you can't.

And for this reason and for other things we will just discuss during this episode.

I am wearing my Satan's IT service shirt and it has really great picture of Satan as a tech worker.

And underneath it it says, have you tried damning it to hell?

So we'll post a picture of that.

But yeah, this is a very IT centric episode if you wouldn't think so.

But that was my.

That was my grasping of it.

But we've.

We've got a lot of things that are.

Yeah, there's more.

There's more.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Dean gets really bored of making awkward noises, so.

Because he can't sit still.

And so he decides he's going to go check on Karen by himself.

And so we basically like, I don't know, like I said this episode.

Cause it jumps around is kind of hard.

So he's basically.

He goes in and he goes to her house.

Really.

So we're gonna find out that Karen was murdered and that someone was in the house.

We get a window ghost, which is Diana's favorite thing.

I did a lot of eye covering in the scene because I know like.

So the detective, Linda made a comment that I heard the 911 call.

Karen was terrified and so said there was someone house and thinks that it's weird of course that Sam and Dean are separated.

So you see Karen in this, like Shadow thing.

Like, chasing her around the house.

And instead of, like, just calling 911 right away or going the outside, she goes up the stairs.

So give yourself no escape.

Jesus fucking Christ, people.

And then.

Have you ever seen a horror movie?

You don't run up the stairs.

What an officer?

And they're stairs.

They're like, you're gonna be out of breath, like, oh, your thighs are gonna to hurt.

And then you're going to get up there, and then your fucking printer is going to have malware on it, and it's just going to start printing.

Dana Shulps, which is now the data shops malware.

So.

Malware.

Yeah.

This is the Dana Shops Malware episode.

And so this is, like, printing it out.

I was like, was it just, like, stuck in the spool?

Like, you know, it's just like you waited and you're like, you finally fixed the paper, and it's just like, I'm.

Going to print this now.

It's actually sitting there for like, two days.

And then she just, like, bumped it.

And the printer was like, oh, I get what you were trying to say.

And then it just starts spreading it out.

That's what I think happened.

And that was.

And that reminded me of, like, the pain of an old printer too, by the way.

Oh, it wasn't like it was looking.

It's not.

It wasn't a dot matrix.

It looked like a very early laser.

Yeah, like, that was just like.

And.

But I was like, it was like that in between, period.

But I'm like, at least like, you know, all these printers had ink in it.

Like, it was like, I would have loved, like, the ghost to be like, oh, no, there's like, you know, toner low.

And then like, I can't print.

Why can't I print the drum?

I did change the drum.

God damn it.

I have a printer at work that keeps telling us to change the drum.

And we did.

It's very distressing.

Very annoying.

Printers are probably the most stressful things of working in general, in life.

So anyways, okay, all right.

So we get the, you know, the ghost working a printer.

And then, you know, also Dean breaks into the house.

And I thought, this seems really dumb.

And like, also, it's the middle of the night.

What the fuck are you doing?

This is really breaking into this lady's house where he's pretty sure she's home.

Even though he knocked and she didn't answer, he just breaks on it anyways.

And.

Yeah, because that's gonna make her feel great.

Like, oh, here's this random dude in my house.

He told me he was an insurance investigator and now he's in my house.

But I guess, you know, she's like, oh, I'm dead.

So he finds her dead.

Finds her dead.

And she's got, like these crazy bruises on her wrist that he's checking out as the cops walk in because that's great.

She's got her slit throat, blood everywhere, these crazy wrist, like, bruises.

And he's like, touching her arm when they walk in.

Yeah, it does.

It looks real bad.

Looks real bad.

All right, so we're gonna go back to the police station now.

Yes.

And so this is where we find out, like, I don't know how they did it, but I guess maybe just like brother telepathy.

Or maybe Sam had a vision.

But their stories match up exactly.

And Detective Linda is like, I don't know.

So she's leaving and she's talking to Pete, and fucking Pete.

I fucking hate Pete.

Fuck you, Pete.

He comes off as, like, skeezy from the start.

And apparently they've got a thing going between them.

So, yeah, he goes, bad choices, Linda.

Bad choice.

And he goes, diana, do you have reasonable doubt?

And then he strokes her cheek.

And I'm like, how do you not punch him in the dick?

Like, that would have been like, I don't even care if I'm dating you.

You say something that, like, I don't.

Condescending to me.

And then you brush my cheek like that.

You get a dick punch.

That.

That's what's gonna happen.

So.

I hate Pete.

Okay, so we find out that Tony was an offense lawyer.

And then they start making anagrams of Dana Schulz.

And I'm like, come on.

Anal was right there.

Like, he was like, on the paper.

Just like, come on, man, just write out anal.

You can do it.

I feel like.

I feel like at least one of them really wanted to.

There was like, yeah, which one?

Which one?

Yeah, was it Dean or was it Sam?

Obviously, but yeah.

And so they're saying they're both.

Both hitting at the same time, that it's an enneagram.

So they're trying to figure out what it could be.

So they're writing out the letters in different orders.

And then Dean's public defender.

I'm like, anal sand.

I really.

You can spell anal sand?

But I think you would have letters left over anyways.

Okay.

Yeah, there's a P somewhere in there.

Anal spanned.

Oh, stop.

Yeah, okay, I'll stop you maybe.

Yeah.

So basically, the.

The attorney, the public Defender is.

You know, they're kind of doing the thing.

We're like, oh, he's not totally inept, but he's probably not great.

Kind of a vibe from this public defender character.

He's a public defender?

Well, he's saying it's good.

They haven't found a weapon, but there's blood and prints, so it's pretty bad.

And he has a record already.

And that.

And the attorney says that Dean could face the death penalty, which is.

You know, I didn't check if they have it in Maryland.

Maryland, I don't know.

Unless they're looking at shipping him back to Missouri.

That's a different combo.

Why would it be a capital.

Like, why would this be a capital murder?

I don't know.

Anyways, going broken.

I don't know.

Things, but.

And then at that moment, pretty much like, Dean's like, hey, look at all these words, because he's been writing them down.

You're from here.

What does this mean?

And notices that one of the words on there is a street name.

So Dean writes a frantic note and hands it to him, like, look, just take this to my brother.

That's all I want you to do.

I know you're my attorney.

Just.

That's just it.

If you want to help me do that, so.

So are suspects allowed to pass notes to each other while they're in interview rooms?

I'm thinking that's probably.

No, Sam isn't arrested at this point.

He's just probably detained.

He's a person.

He's a person of interest.

Right?

He's not a suspect.

He's not an official suspect, but he is a person of interest arrested.

Hopefully somebody read him as Miranda rights.

Yeah.

So anyways, I was like, I don't think you could do that, but cool.

Whatever.

So Detective Linda and she apparently has the same malware on her.

I know it's just coming through that Dana Schultz malware is just propagating across the entire network, and it's just coming everywhere.

It's Cobalt Strike all over again.

Sorry.

There's one security person listening to this, and they're like, liz, you're so funny.

And I'm like, yeah, I know.

They're using admin shares to spread this throughout the environment.

Guess what Liz does for a living?

Anyways, okay, so she's typing out her.

Her.

Her report notes or whatever, and all of a sudden, it just starts going, like, Danish, like, all over it.

And she's, like, looking around like, am I losing my mind?

What the fuck's happening?

And Then it all disappears.

And then she really looks around like, what the fuck's happening?

And gets up from her computer.

So, yeah, the attorney.

We cut back to the attorney, the public defender handing a note to Sam.

And it says, says Hilts.

It's a Street.

Ashland McQueen.

That's the little code they have.

And we'll get to what it all means as they reveal it later.

And so then we in.

The attorney's like, hey, let's talk about your case, because you might have a case, too.

And then all of a sudden, Detective busts into the room and is like, Mr. Attorney, you need to fucking get back here to Dean.

Because he is.

He needs.

He wants to talk.

And we cut back to Dean, and Dean is in his little.

Little interrogation room, still with a camera, and he's going to confess.

And his beginning of his confession is fucking hilarious.

Sorry.

Because he says.

Introduces himself, shares his zodiac sign that he loves sunsets and long walks on the beach and frisky women.

I also like frisky women.

And I think we should use that phrase more often.

Yes.

Frisky women.

I knew someone that always liked the word zesty.

And I don't know if I was grossed out or amused.

And I still don't.

Okay.

But, yeah, and he follows up with saying, he didn't kill anyone, but I know who did.

Or rather, what did.

And he basically spills the whole fucking, like, beans about vengeful spirits.

Like how there's, like, something in the spirit world and that's what's causing all this.

And somebody's in trouble and we've got to let them out.

Because if it's not, if they don't.

Aren't able to stop it, someone else is going to die.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

And the Pete detective is just pissed and.

Because Pete is a dick.

Yeah.

Well, then also, to be fair, we all know this is kind of a dick move by Dean.

Real.

Whether this is real or not, he's really just, like, pulling the fucking leg of all these.

Also, like, he's pulling the leg.

And like, what the fuck?

Like 15 of you coming in here to watch this confession.

And you know, he's not running out of state.

So these are.

There's also, I think there was like, as a cop procedural show, like, they were problems.

You should watch more cop procedural shows.

Like.

But, you know.

But.

Yeah.

And so.

And.

And he mentions the Dana Schultz, the anagram and all that, and talks about it.

And you can see defective Linda is like, what the.

So she's like, oh, I know.

That.

That's weird.

Well, then Jerk Pete basically assaults Dean and on camera.

Yeah.

Seems questionable.

And then they go back to.

So they're gonna, you know, lock him back up and get all the cameras out, blah, blah.

Because it's all fucking nonsense.

And then you get.

The detectives go back to check on Sam, and he's gone.

And the note is still there, though.

And Hiltz is.

And Detective Linda shares that.

Yeah, Hiltz is the character that Steve McQueen plays in the Great Escape.

So it was like their little hint.

Obviously, Dean doing the fake confession was just a ploy to distract everybody.

So Sam.

Bruce.

Bruce.

And, yeah, it was a good one.

I was.

I was like.

Because at first, I'm like, what the is D doing?

Dean can have a little bit of a Marvel complex.

I was a little worried, but for a second, not for long.

But also, like, they gave, like, Detective Linda, the one who recognized that it was Steve McQueen and Steve McQueen, the only man who can make it by staying hot, you know, Get him, Bullet.

Steve.

Just get in her.

Okay.

All right.

So Linda goes to the loo, and we've got the mirror ghost there.

The mirror ghost is there, and she has a hairball.

This is what I pretty much decided, like, that this ghost has a hairball.

She has her throat slit, and she.

Can't do it because of it.

She's, like, gurgling out of her throat.

And they cut her vocal cords, and that's all she can do.

And all Liz is thinking about is.

Spitting up a hairball.

Hey, at least that's the gak noise I went to was hairball.

I could have gone a different direction with this, but, yeah.

So ghost is like.

And Linda's like, I don't know what you're saying.

Is there something in your throat?

Would you like some water from the sink?

That's running also technically, like, you're dead, bitch.

Like, you don't need your vocal cords anymore.

Like, those are not how, like, things work.

Like, you should be able to.

Yeah.

Actualize it.

Yeah.

You should just feel.

I guess maybe she's a new hairball ghost.

But, yeah, for the rest of the.

Time, I'm calling her Hairball.

Okay, so.

Oh, God.

So, yeah, and it says Dana Schultz in the mirror then, too.

So we're seeing it again.

So now she's, like, going back to Dean, and she's like, I want to know all about this shit.

You need to fucking tell me what is going on.

This shit's fucked.

And he's like, oh, you've seen her, too.

And she's like, yeah.

And he sees the marks on her wrists that are exactly like the ones that Karen had, which I was like a.

Like a bruise like ligature type mark on there on her wrists.

But she don't really seem.

They don't seem painful.

It's just a mark kind of her reaction.

And so basically he is trying to convince Detective Linda to go see Sam because Sam's the only one that can stop this thing at this point.

And he tells her how to find Sam, which is like their little secret code that they use when they get separated.

They use Jim Rockford.

Nerds.

Do you get that?

You have a look on your face.

Nope.

Okay, so the Rockford Files, okay.

Was a detective show.

Jim Rockford of the Rockford Files.

That's.

That's where that came from.

Yeah.

And the first motel that's enlisted in the.

In the phone book.

Yep.

And it's a nice motel.

It got some really good.

Yeah, it's got some good epic lamps and mid century starbursts in it.

Like I was.

I was impressed with this motel.

I liked it.

I would stay there.

Yeah.

And so he.

So she shows up and he's like, how'd you find me?

And she like gives him the lowdown that she's kind of in on it now, even though she shouldn't be, and she wants to know what's going on.

And so she describes the spirit.

And he's already got like a bunch of files and of course a bunch of photos that he's not supposed to have apparently.

And so he's like, look, go through these and see if you recognize anyone.

And these are all like different bookings and murders and missing people from Ashland street, which is the street that they've figured out the anagram is.

So he.

She identifies one, this woman named Claire who was last seen on Ashland.

She'd been arrested for heroin a few times.

So they decided, well, fuck it, I guess we're go look for this body at the last address she was known at.

And he's like, yeah, we gotta go salt and burn the bones.

And she's like, wait, what?

What?

Yeah, I also think for police proced thing, this is like kind of a twist, right?

So she is IDing something out of a photo array.

And the photo array was from Sam and not the detectives given the photo array.

It was Sam.

He was like flipping the script.

Flipping the script.

I know.

He was like, do you know any of these?

And she's like, that chick?

And he's like, did you work narcotics and she's like, well, yeah, and I did with my partner Pete.

And then I'm like.

I'm trying to say, like at some point, you know, Pete's involved.

Like, I knew early on Pete's Pete somehow involved in this shit because he was very, like, weird about.

He's like.

He's like.

It was very cop procedural, like, well, it was my friend that died, so I just want to clean this case up, shut it down.

And it's like, now you just look suspicious, dude.

Yeah, no, they didn't really do a good job of hiding that Pete was a bad guy.

I think we all knew from the first second you saw his, like, slimy face.

You're like, oh, yeah, he did it.

This guy's going to be a dick.

Yeah.

What can we find there?

Yeah, so they're wandering around in like this weird.

It looks like the basement, but it's not.

But they're kind of.

Maybe it's like partially underground.

I don't know.

They're wandering around this weird space and they separate because they're fucking dumb.

And then the spirit Claire appears again to.

Yeah, Hairball Claire is there.

And she's not attacking, she's just pointing and hacking.

She's reaching out.

She's less hacky in this one.

She's way hackier in the bathroom.

I wonder if the steam was irritating her throat.

Look over there.

So she's pointing and so of course, you know, Sam comes running because Detective Linda is screaming, duh.

And she's like.

I think she was pointing because she didn't attack me.

And so they start pulling back like this shelving unit on the wall.

And when they do, you see the word Ashland sup.

Like the rest of the sign is worn off.

And if you.

And then it's also with the way the sun is shining through it, which I'm like very off on, like timelines on this.

Like the day and night, day and night make no sense in this series in general.

I would just like to state that for the record.

There's no like consistent timeline of day and nighttime.

But anyways, it's like.

It looks like like sunsetty light shining through these windows and it's reflecting Ashland sup on this brick wall.

And they're like, well, shit, guess we gotta tear down the brick wall, because that's always the next thing to think of.

So they start doing that.

And also she makes Sam demo the wall and then he demos the wall of his elbow like, you had a good pint.

And he's like.

He used it for a part of it, and he, like, knocked out, like, four bricks with a pipe.

And then he, like, uses arm for the rest.

It was very weird.

Yeah.

And it was like, you could have used.

I think you had the duchess to strive out.

That was very loud.

But it was just like, okay, so you thought, like, the pipe was good for, like, three bricks.

At least he didn't use his cast arm to, like.

He can't use his cast to beat out the bricks, which is what I.

Would have done, which is probably why I get injured so often.

Yeah.

So then they go and they just.

So he finally, like, he demos it with his elbow and they pull this body out, and then he just destroys all the evidence.

Like, let's just, like, open, like, for a consciousness.

Well, but remember, he just wants to salt and burn the bones.

He don't give a.

About how she did, which is a weird thing for that right now that even, like, Detective Linda's not like, oh, maybe we should figure out who killed this bitch and put her in a wall.

That's never.

That never comes up in any of this at this point.

That's very bizarre to me.

Well, apparently, Detective Linda's not a good detective.

She has been, you know, fucking.

She just don't want to be selling heroin and, you know, But I can't believe she's not.

Like, we have to preserve, like, what's happening here.

And you're like, no, just.

Just rip this shit up.

Let's see what's inside the burlap sack.

And apparently it's like these, like.

Like this.

Her wrists are bound, which explains the bruising that we keep saying.

And she's got on some, like, necklace, which is apparently completely custom and identical to the one that Pete bought for Linda.

Yeah, for Detective Linda.

Yeah.

So Hairball had the same necklace, and Pete bought it, like, at a five and dime store.

And, like, I had this custom made for you, and it was like a.

Dollar, because Pete's full of shit.

Yep.

Pete's a dick.

And so this is when Sam figures out that Claire isn't a vengeful spirit, but a death omen.

So death omens?

What are death omens?

I think we're going to talk about some lore.

Not necessarily kind of a death omen, maybe not.

I don't know, but lore.

Lore.

All right, so we're going to talk about the story of Zona Hester Shue, the Greenbrier ghost.

And we'll see why she she ties into this in a bit.

So for some backstory, Elva was her original first name.

Like that.

She married her husband Edward, also known as Erasmus Stribling Trout Shoe.

And we're going to call him Trout for the rest of this because he's a dick.

And so he's going to be referred.

To as a fish.

But maybe Zona was a little naughty.

We don't think Trout was a dad.

And nobody ever talks about who the dad actually was.

So Trout kind of sucked.

He was a drifter.

He had been married twice before.

One wife either divorced him because he was abusive or died from a broken neck when she fell off a haystack.

Depending on which source you read, the.

Second wife died under mysterious, mysterious circumstances.

So these circumstances were she was helping Trout fix a chimney by putting rocks in a basket.

And the basket was attached to a rope which was pulled up to like, put on like, the top of the chimney.

But subsequently the basket was dropped on.

Her head and she died.

He also served two years in the state penitentiary for stealing a horse.

So Zona's mother did not like him.

Zona was in love.

And he found Zona on her back at the foot of the stairs.

And he was like, oh, no, she did.

And he's like, I'm gonna go get help.

So he runs to his mom's house.

Finally, an hour later, a doctor shows up and he is like, well, she's dead.

But also, at this point, Zona was no longer downstairs.

She was now in her bed, washed and dressed, but still very dead.

And the doctor tried to examine her, but when he got to the neck of her high collar dress as Trout freaked out and kicked the doctor out of the house.

And the doctor decided to clear her death.

I've seen two different versions of what he declared.

So Dr. Knapp either declared her death as childbirth because he'd been treating her for pregnancy, according to one source.

But the other one said she also died of an everlasting faint, which is a heart attack.

But yes, he was like, where'd he go?

Really dramatic way to describe a heart attack.

I know.

Can we call it an everlasting faint?

Yes, I think.

But isn't that kind of all death?

Like that's all, like all death is.

Kind of an everlasting faint?

Pretty much.

So Zona's funeral took place the next day at her mother's house, which does seem pretty fast.

Trout was very involved in preparing her body, including placing her in the casket, always making sure he handled her head.

He dressed her in a high necked dress, the same dress she was married in.

In one version of the story, he at this point wrapped a large veil several, several times around her neck and tied him to a bow.

Okay.

The other story which I really like was that he did it at the funeral, crying.

It was her favorite.

Zari's like, she has to be fair.

So he like ties his scarf around her neck.

So the entire time during the funeral, the wake, whatever, Trout is standing next to the coffin and always making sure her head was propped up by a pillow.

Maybe he's just a neckwear enthusiast.

Yeah, he just, you know, he's really concerned about her head.

So when Zona's body was taken to be put into the ground, the reviewers were like, your head's kind of like bouncing from side to side.

It's kind of weird.

So anyhow, a month later, Zona's mother says she had a dream.

And when Zona visited her and told her Trout was abusive and murdered her because he thought she hadn't cooked dinner for him, she said he broke her neck and demonstrated it by turning all the way around and back again.

So I want you to picture this dream, or it's like your daughter is there.

He killed me.

He broke my neck.

And now I'm just gonna spin my head around.

Oh, God, that's terrifying.

It is terrifying.

Yeah.

So Zona's ghost would visit her mother for the next four nights.

And eventually her mom goes to the Lewisburg prosecutor, John Preston.

But don't worry, she had her brother in law with her.

Was it like a woman was going to like, tell me things?

She had a man with her.

Like, I was like, yeah, how terrible.

She be so presumptuous to go alone.

But she finally convinced Preston that like, hey, there is a need for further investigation.

So they go to Dr. Knapp and he was like, hey, maybe I was wrong.

Whatever.

The thing I said she died of, be it, you know, we don't know.

So it could have been everlasting, faint or childbirth, whatever.

Yeah.

So they exhumed the body in February for an autopsy.

She dies in January, she gets consumed in February.

And this exam was like, oh, shit.

Her neck was broken.

And also her windpipe was crushed.

And there's all these marks around her neck that looks like somebody was strangling her.

Oh, no.

That's so crazy.

I mean, I thought she just really, really, really like scarves.

Yeah.

I mean, this is her favorite scarf.

She just really liked it.

I don't know what's going on.

So they arrest Trapped, and while he's in jail, he is bragging to other inmates so they don't have enough evidence to convince.

And so June comes along and the trial is here.

And Zona's mother is brought to the stand to testify.

And the defense was real happy.

They're like, cool.

We got this crazy lady saying, ghost.

And who's gonna believe this?

So what she told the judge and jury was, it was no dream.

She came back and told me that he was mad that she didn't have no meat cooked for supper.

But the second night, she told me that her neck was squeezed off at the first joint.

And it was just as she told me.

So, oddly enough, who believe the crazy lady?

Well, the jury did.

And after an hour and 10 minutes of deliberation, they came back.

They're like, trout, you guilty.

You killed her.

Yeah.

And they sentenced him to life.

Actually, there was a mob that was formed to lynch him outside, but the sheriff was able to, like, stop him before they were, just.

Because the town folk were like, no, you're like, you killed her and there's a ghost and we're gonna.

We're gonna lynch you.

And the sheriff was like, no, you can't do that.

So, unfortunately, Trout actually died three years after being incarcerated in West Virginia from the flu.

But the Greenbrier Historical Society does have a picture that Trout painted in jail of him and Zona.

It's not good.

He was not a good artist.

Also, the historical.

So I was looking into Greenbrier.

Greenbrier, West Virginia, which is.

And I sent Diana some pictures of America's resort.

And America's resort is real fucking creepy.

It is like.

It looks like a bed and breakfast vomited all over this place.

No offense to you guys if you run that in or that resort, but it's real.

It looks like lovely countryside around it, but it's just a kind of like a.

It looks very incongruous with its.

Like, ginormous.

There's so many flower prints.

There's flower prints on everything.

But it's also huge.

And, you know, that's Haunted.

There's no way.

There's a resort, a hotel that's that big, that's been around long, you know that shit's haunted.

See how old it was?

I was looking at it.

I'm like, this.

I was just.

I don't know.

There's something odd about it.

It.

It was very bizarre.

But West Virginia is beautiful countryside, and it looked really pretty lambs around it.

It was just like this very odd, large, expansive white building.

It's just very weird.

It's very weird.

It looks like the Shining Hotel, which got referenced in this episode.

It did.

It did.

So, I mean.

Yeah, whatever.

And then, like, you go into that and you try and, like, solve, like, how you, like, how was a settler would survive in West Virginia.

I'm assuming, like, a white settler would survive.

So they're trying to capitalize off, like, the escape room stuff, but they are.

But it's in, like, this old log cabin.

So I really do.

It's kind of brilliant and it's kind of bizarre all at once, which I kind of like.

Yeah, I was like, no, there's.

I think there's a bunch of weird people in Cream Briar noted by this.

Yeah.

No, every time.

Like you said, every time I drive through West Virginia, I'm like, you're beautiful.

Not stopping so near the cemetery where Zona is buried, there actually is a state historical marker, and the marker says, interred in a nearby cemetery is Zona Hester Shoe.

Autopsy on the exhumed body verified the apparition's account.

Edward, found guilty of murder, was sentenced to state prison.

So, like, there's actually a state.

A state record that says this ghost is how he was convicted, which ties into this episode.

Of course, there are some issues with the.

With the ghost story, because this is really an urban legend, right?

So there's a lot of factual things in it, but, like, it's very well known within the area.

And then it gets brought up, which is how I found it obviously gets brought up in different sightings of ghosts who defended because it's trying to find ghosts who, like, you know, found their murderer.

But one of the theories about where this came from was on the same page in the local newspaper which announced Zona's death.

There was also a ghost story about A man whose murderer had been caught by a ghost.

Or that was actually a lie told by a witness of the crime who was afraid to come forward.

But that was in, like, Russia or something.

But so it was in this paper on the same day where her death was announced.

So there is speculation that Zona's mom saw that and was inspired either consciously or subconsciously to, hey, my daughter, she was killed.

So my theory is, you don't abuse your wife and your mom doesn't know.

And mom was like, no, that he fucking killed her.

Her.

And was like, you know what?

I saw this.

Like, that worked for this guy.

I'm just like, hey, I saw a ghost.

Ghost said he killed her.

And we're gonna, you know, now it's time for us to bring him to justice.

So.

Which is kind of sad when you think about the fact that in order for a woman to be.

For her murder to be convicted, for her husband to be convicted of murder, her mom had to see her motherfucking.

She had to come back from the fucking dead.

Like, she had to, like, will herself from the goddamn spirit world to be taken seriously in her murder.

Well, yeah, I mean, obviously this dude at least killed one other woman probably, if not two.

And it's like, oh, hey, nobody thought this was suspicious.

And like, nobody was like, hey, why won't he let her head be by itself?

And the mom was finally like, like this.

There's a ghost.

There's a ghost.

She said she was murdered and broken.

The ghost.

Ghost told me.

The ghost told me he.

He abused the out of her and probably killed her because she didn't cook him dinner.

So that's the story of the greenbrier ghost.

Greenbrier ghost, yeah, it's a greenbrier.

Is really hard to say.

I don't know the only one.

Greenbrier ghost.

Greenbrier ghost.

All right, so we're now at 2 of our vacation stops.

Yeah, you can go to West Virginia and go.

I really want to see that marker and go to the escape room.

I bet that fucking hotel, as dated as it is, is rad.

Honestly, it's probably really cool.

And then they also had cottages because I was looking like half like, stay.

In the big creepy white building.

I don't know.

Like, the cottages are also, like.

They're all former, like, staff places and like, like their whole houses and so they look really cool food.

It's going to either be excellent or terrible.

No, in between.

At a place there's no bits pain, but it may also just be all fried Frog legs.

That's all you're getting.

Fried frog legs in West Virginia.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Fried possum.

Hey now.

Poor little.

Poor little possums.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

I was like, oh, it's really lovely.

I've driven through West Virginia.

I've actually been to a wedding in West Virginia.

Were they.

Were they related?

No, it was my.

It was feminine of mine.

That are from.

That are from Virginia.

It was like,.

No, not at all.

But they went to a very, very Christian college in West Virginia and they got married there and they moved back to Virginia.

So my Catholic grandmother was.

Was not particularly thrilled with attending a born again ceremony.

Were the snakes.

Did people talk?

It was just.

It was just.

It was just, you know, born again Protestant, like, whatever.

But they.

But my grandmother was a little distraught about attending.

She did.

Everything was fine.

But it was.

There was a little tension at a moment in time of the Italian Catholic woman was a little bit upset.

Yeah.

But, yeah, it was a really pretty countryside, though.

I remember that distinctly.

I drove there and I think that was where they told me I couldn't turn right on Reddit Red.

And I was really upset.

I was like, what the are you talking about?

Right on.

Red is a thing.

That's what you do.

And they're like, no, you don't do that.

And maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe it's just where I was at specifically.

But I.

Around that time driving told me that and I was like, what?

I feel you have to look this up now and verify whether or not I know.

Now I've said it.

So now I'm gonna be like the.

Somebody's be like, oh, you're a moron.

Of course we do that.

There was just some old people they told you not to do.