In the second bonus episode of Season 13, Kenny Primrose - Podcaster, Educator and Writer - shares insights into ways in which our lives – and our engagement with faith and finance matters - can be enhanced by asking better questions.

Some key points of interest covered in this episode include the following:

• Kenny introduces himself [01:06] and talks about how he became a Christian. [02:05]
• In response to a question from Bex, Kenny talks about his professional involvements, including his podcast, ‘The Examined Life’, which invites guests to ‘distil their wisdom into a question we should be asking ourselves’. [03:55] Favourite episodes of the podcast have included Oliver Burkeman on life’s finite nature, Anna Lembke on our dopamine saturated culture, Iain McGilchrist on ‘What is my culture preventing me from seeing?’ and BJ Miller on ‘Loss, Meaning, and Learning to Feel’. [06:49]
• When it comes to faith and finance content, two podcast episodes have stood out for Kenny: Elizabeth Oldfield on ‘Who is it that I want to be becoming?’, in which she explores the formational nature of our interaction with money; and Peter Singer on ‘How ought I to live?’, a question that prompted Kenny’s friend, Aaron Moore, to sell all of his possessions in a piece of performance art called, ‘One Thing You Lack’. [11:13]
• On a personal level, Kenny is clear that money is a stewardship issue rather than an ownership matter, with one of the key messages of the Christian gospel being that life is a gift. The challenge, then, is to live out that principle in a culture which is driven by the market economy rather than by grace and generosity. [14:23]
• When asked about the application of biblical wisdom to contemporary society, Kenny suggests that it can be helpful to concentrate on enduring themes such as justice, generosity and responsibility or, in the Jewish tradition, Tzedakah (righteous acts), Tikkun Olam (repairing the world) and Chesed (charity or loving-kindness). [17:10] A particular challenge these days is that money is no longer directly associated with physical work; instead, it has become much more of an abstract concept, enabling it to take on a ‘value’ and role all of its own, often to the detriment of principles such as fairness, generosity and kindness. [18:15]
• Kenny’s experience of churches is that they have generally been reluctant to broach financial topics. He feels that is a missed opportunity and would welcome more directness from the pulpit on this matter, especially as Jesus spoke so often, so radically and so passionately about money. [19:50]
• There is a danger that we can be selective when it comes to absorbing biblical truths about money, so Simon and Kenny highlight the importance, for both society and the church, of being open and receptive to those messages, even if they are challenging to take on board. [23:01]
• The importance of making room for conversations about money on a regular basis - and not just when a crisis strikes - is also highlighted. If professional assistance is required, to deal with debt or other financial issues, CAP (Christians Against Poverty) is recommended as an excellent source of free advice and support. [24:21]
• Simon suggests that his own key question on a faith and finance theme would be, ‘How much is enough?’ For his part, Kenny’s choice is, ‘What does it mean for me to live in integrity? How do I integrate my beliefs with my actions and my words?’ [25:37]
• To find out more about Kenny, please go to https://kennethprimrose.co.uk/ , and explore his podcast, ‘The Examined Life’ . In addition, you can sign up to his newsletter at https://thisexaminedlife.substack.com/ [26:43]

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Simon

Welcome to ‘Where Your Treasure Is…’, the podcast where faith meets finance.

Bex

I'm Bex Elder.

Simon

And I'm Simon Glazier. Each episode we're going to explore how biblical wisdom can guide our everyday money decisions.

Bex

We'll be looking at how we can give generously, save wisely and navigate the complex financial realities we face.

Simon

But remember, investments can go down as well as up.

Bex

This is ‘Where Your Treasure Is…’.

Simon

Let's get started.

And today we have another guest episode. Bex, I'm loving these guest episodes because we can ask the questions and sit back and relax for a bit while we record. Tell us about today's guest, as much as you know, Bex.

Bex

I was literally going t say we get to do less work, which is lovely, but we get to learn even more than normal. Our guest today is really linked through our producer and our producer's former job as a head of senior school. They worked together there.

And so, Kenny, would you like to introduce yourself? Who are you? What do you do?

Kenny

My name is Kenny Primrose and I was under the leadership of Mike for a good five years at Robert Gordon's. I was teaching religious studies and philosophy there. I still do that job, but I do it in Newcastle, or Gateshead to be specific.

I'm sitting in Newcastle at the moment where I live. So, four days a week, I do that and a few other roles within the school.

And then on a Monday, which is when we're speaking, I tend to do a bit of podcasting and a bit of writing and sometimes a bit of speaking. Basically, a side hustle that makes no money but keeps me interested and engaging with ideas like this!

Simon

Any regular listeners to the podcast, you might recognise Kenny's voice because we had a wee Vox pop episode a long time ago, and Kenny did speak into that one, and we thought he was so good, we wanted more of Kenny and more of Kenny's opinion.

But before we get into your opinion, Kenny, a bit of life history. Please tell us a bit about your journey to faith, how you became a Christian. When did you make your personal commitment to Jesus?

Kenny

So, I think I could date it back to a very specific point in time. I was 17, 18, just left school, sitting on the end of a pier, in fact, in Greece in a beautiful sunset. And I had what is commonly described as a religious experience there.

The context around that is I'd obviously recently left school. I was embarking on a gap year. I was a questioning young man, and I decided I was an atheist. I was very committed to that. So committed, in fact, I remember waking up my mum and my dad at, like, three or four in the morning and telling them, that church stuff they've been doing is a fraud and they were wrong, and they shushed me and told me to go back to bed!

But I kept thinking about it and it was while I was on this family holiday in Greece, in fact, that I realised that I really, I really wanted it to be true. But I wasn't going to take any easy answers. Jesus, I suppose, was going to have to reveal himself to me. God was going to have to speak to me in some way to shift the dial of my belief. And that's what happened. It was perhaps the only time that I'd been genuinely open to whatever might come. I was willing to listen for signals and follow them. And so, since then, it hasn't been a linear progression. I haven't become more saintly by the year at all. It's been meandering.

Maybe that's quite often the case with the Christian life. And sometimes I've had rich times of growth and other times wandering and a little bit homeless in terms of what tradition I'm part of.

I currently go to a church in Newcastle which is, yeah, very much alive and committed to the gospel message. And that's serving me and my family, and I'm trying to serve a bit there.

Bex

I was amused at just how at the point you decided you were committed to atheism, you were also at your most open, and the Lord used that. The way he weaves throughout all the different points of our lives is fascinating!

We'd also love to hear a little bit about your professional background. You mentioned teaching religious studies, also thinking, speaking, podcasting.

What does your week to week look like and how did you get to this point?

Kenny

I am interested in ideas, particularly the big ideas about what makes a good life, what is true, is there a God, what's God like, etc. And that took me through a degree in religious studies and anthropology and then a master's in theology.

And then I avoided responsibility for a while. I went to teach in China. That's what people do who teach in China. Whatever else they tell you, they're really avoiding responsibility, the ones I met at least. And then I returned to Aberdeen and I did a little bit of working in schools as pupil support assistant, trying out teaching.

And then I went to London to train as a teacher. My now wife was doing a course there, and, then, yeah, I found myself teaching religious studies and philosophy and that was in Guernsey, in Edinburgh, in Dorset - Sherborne - in a boarding school, in Aberdeen, now in Newcastle.

Alongside that, I suppose I've always - maybe very much related to teaching - been interested in communication, and not just teaching in a pedagogical classroom way, but communicating in written and spoken form. And so sometimes that has been speaking, maybe sometimes preaching or delivering training or whatever, but also writing and podcasting.

The podcast story started about 10 years ago when I was graciously allowed to do something called the Farmington Scholarship. And they gave me a day off a week, which was extraordinary. It really was. When you're working full tilt as a teacher, there's very little space for anything else.

And I wondered whether I could write to interesting, influential thinkers and ask them, could they distil their wisdom into, like, a question we should be asking ourselves? Can we apply it? In a sense, it's a pretext for speaking to interesting people, but, also, it's a fairly lazy way of getting to the heart of what these big thinkers think we should really be doing and how it applies in concrete terms. And that sometimes saved me having to read thousands of pages to get to that point.

So, I started doing that, and I was astonished, really, at who got back to me: some really interesting, significant, busy people! And it became a website called, ‘The Examined Life’, where I post those interviews.

And then, a few years ago, I moved to four days a week and I decided to pick up the project again as a podcast. So, I'm just midway through releasing my fourth season. They're short seasons, and this one is about death and grief and dying - fairly heavy stuff!

Yeah, so I'm exploring the questions of some really interesting people about these topics.

In summary, I guess, I'm a teacher and a communicator who's interested in ideas and what the good life is.

Bex

And just think about some of the guests you've had. I remember the Oliver Burkeman episode, the author of ‘Four Thousand Weeks’. I would love to know who have your favourite guests been so far?

Or what are the favourite insights that you have gleaned that you still think about now?

Kenny

There's so many, really. So, yeah, Oliver Burkeman, he was just a winsome, lovely guy to speak to.

And Anna Lembke on our dopamine saturated culture and how we orient towards pain and pleasure.

As someone who probably has traces of ADHD and is constantly looking for stimulation, it was really important, I think, for me to understand the wiring of our brains around dopamine and how addictogenic our culture is.

I think probably the philosopher who's had most impact on me is a guy called Iain McGilchrist. He lives in Skye, in Talisker Bay, in this extraordinary house. I went up to visit him - twice, in fact. And his question is, ‘What is it that my culture is preventing me from seeing?’

It's a very rich question, and there's so much that you could say about that. We are very partial, I suppose, in our view, and I apply that to church as well. Churches prevent us from seeing lots of aspects of God's kingdom. I think by focusing narrowly on one aspect, we focus on one to the exclusion of others. So, I find that a question I keep returning to, like: ‘What am I not seeing here? What am I missing?’

One I've just released was with a guy called BJ Miller on grief, and I found him really village elder wise, someone you just want to be stuck in an elevator with. And his question is, ‘How are you grieving?’ And the presupposition there is that we're all grieving. The wiring around grief is on loss, and life is a series of losses, really. And how we integrate that, rather than suppress or run away from it, determines how grounded, how integrated as a person we are.

And so, I found that very helpful.

Simon

I love the fact, Kenny, that the focus of the podcast, the structure, is to ask people their question and not immediately ask them their answer. You're not posing the question, asking for answers. You're asking them to delve a lot deeper into their own psyche, their own belief system, their own philosophy, and come to you with a question. Their answer is their question, from which I'm assuming you get to then probe, ‘And how did you get to that? And what are your answers?’

Kenny

Yeah, that's right. You know, in some ways it feels a bit cheeky. And you have one academic who said he would retire happy if he could come up with one good question. And I'm just trying to kind of shortcut that and ask them to distil their preoccupations into a question. And in terms of the answer, I am interested in how we address it and where it comes from, but often there aren't neat answers to those questions.

The question helps you sharpen your hearing, I think, paying attention to things that you otherwise don't see. I think it was the podcaster from ‘On Being’ and writer, Krista Tippett, she said in her book ‘Becoming Wise’, ‘There is something redemptive and life-giving about asking better questions’. And that line, I think is probably the seed of inspiration for the whole podcast.

Simon

What I'm wondering is, do you find your faith is challenged through the questions and conversations? Do you find it's reinforced or do you find somehow it grows because of this exposure to ideas that are not pulpit ideas - they're not Bible study ideas, they're much broader.

Kenny

Great question. I don't think I've found myself challenged, particularly, I guess I approach it with the lens that all truth is God's truth, in a sense. We don't have a monopoly on truth as Christians, and, actually, people can notice things that are very perceptive from well outside the faith. And that's what I'm interested in, I suppose: does it have the ring of truth to it?

And I do speak to people who I disagree with, and that's fine. It gives an interesting generative conversation. I might ask them questions through my lens of faith, but I'm not trying to instrumentalise a conversation towards gospel ends or conversion of people or whatever.

I would like to allow someone space and to create space around their question for them to share what they've learned, and then people can take what chimes from that conversation.

Bex

And I think just that curiosity and inquisitiveness feels like such a healthy and helpful way to approach any topics, but particularly such big, complex topics. And here, we are also a big fan of big complex topics, primarily faith and finance.

And I would love to know what you have learned about faith and finance.

Kenny

So far in life, Bex, or from the podcast?

Bex

I would love both. Let's do podcasts first and then broaden it out.

Kenny

So let me reference two people that come to mind with this topic. One of them is actually a Christian writer, Elizabeth Oldfield, and also podcaster of ‘The Sacred’ etc. I had a conversation that I really enjoyed with her, and her question is, ‘Who am I becoming? Or who am I in the process of becoming?’ And in the conversation and in lots of her work, she pays attention to how we're paying attention, right, and the fact that how we live - and money is a large part of how we live and how we pay attention et cetera - is formational. It shapes us as a person.

And so, that lens of, ‘This is not neutral. Money and how we orient money is not a neutral thing. It's not like an abstract metaphor or tool. It's something that's formational’ - and I found that really helpful to keep in mind.

The other person, actually a very secular philosopher, was the ethicist Peter Singer, who asked a question. This was pre-podcast, so there's a maybe a short video bit of him but not a proper podcast. His question is, ‘How ought I to be living?’ And it's a fairly straightforward, simple question, but a very challenging one! So challenging, in fact, if you can digress into a story… I have a friend called Aaron Moore - you can look him up. He lives in Australia. I met him in China, and he's a Christian and also a serious thinker, ethically, and an artist.

And he engaged with Peter Singer's problem - he's got this thought problem about, if you can sacrifice some of your luxury goods and use that money to say, vaccinate, educate, whatever, save a life, then there's a moral obligation there. Even if you can't see them because they're in Sub-Saharan Africa or whatever, there is a moral obligation.

He brought that into conversation with Jesus, speaking to the rich man, saying, sell all your possessions, give them to the poor. And what he did as a kind of piece of performance art was sold all of his possessions. He got rid of everything. You can look at this online - it's called, ‘One Thing You Lack’. Even his underpants, right? He auctioned them all off, and the rent in his flat - he had nothing, nothing, at age, what, 35, 36!

I found it immensely challenging! And it was this Peter Singer question -because Aaron is acutely aware of how wealthy he is in global terms - with this faith challenge and that question of, ‘How ought I to live? Given the problems in the world, given my ample resources, comparatively speaking, and what the emphasis of the gospels and Jesus seems to be, how ought I to be living?’

I say that, and I want to caveat this conversation by saying, I am really bad at enacting a lot of the things that I would aspire to. I think it's immensely challenging. We live in our tension as Christians between pragmatism and idealism. And it's really, really hard! But it's good to talk about it. And hopefully in talking about it, we become a bit more able to live deliberately.

Money's often very private, isn't it? And that's part of the problem. Most of us are more happy to talk about sex lives than our financial lives. And I think there's a lot of mischief because of that!

Simon

So, onto Bex's second part of her question, which was to do with that same learning, but from wider life. What are the first things that come to mind, the first lessons, the first challenges, the things you struggle with?

Kenny

So many, Simon. So many things I struggle with. But I would say one of the first principles that comes to mind is that money is a stewardship issue, not an ownership one. The market economy that we live in teaches us about ownership, and that money is a proxy for value. And I think that kind of thinking is really toxic and endemic within the church, as well as outside of the church. And it's really hard to get away from that.

So one of the principles, I think of the gospel message, the Christian message, is that life is a gift. And in so many ways, we should be aspiring to live in a gift economy rather than a market economy. But how do I exist within this market economy where I have a mortgage, I have a pension, I want to save a bit?

Simon

Well done. We approve of that.

Kenny

Yeah, it's all those sensible things. How do I square that with also grace and generosity?

One of the other things that comes to mind is money is probably one of the most revealing aspects of our spiritual lives, arguably more so than anything else. And when I think about it, and I think that's true, I definitely come up short.

So Simon, your question - what comes to mind? I think stewardship; How I operate from a place of gratitude and how I move from transactional thinking to I suppose, more communal thinking.

Simon

There are so many good topics we could dig into. Thinking about that friend of yours, Aaron, selling all his property. Jesus only commands one person to do that. It's not a universal command, but I love the fact that in Acts, ‘from time to time people would sell land or properties and lay the money down at the disciples’ feet’. It tells us something about the expectation that you would have land and property that could be sold.

And so, we have a whole continuum of response to Jesus’ call for using money wisely, being good stewards, and, absolutely, it's at the heart of the journey of the ‘Where Your Treasurer Is’ podcast to dig into so many aspects of faith and finance when many of us get very narrow minded, like you say, on the ownership economy – ‘What's mine is mine and God wants some of my money!’ - that's not the world we live in! He lets us have some of his money and then watches what we do with it.

And it's an opportunity. It's also a test and it's constant.

Kenny

And you're right to point that out. You can't really make that story of the rich man into a bumper sticker and totally decontextualise it. It feels complex, doesn't it? Life is complex; finances are complex.

It's good that you're having these conversations because we need to parse out what it means in concrete terms to follow Jesus, who said these things and did these things and commands these things, in a world where that's not at all straightforward.

Bex

I guess one of the things we've been reflecting on in the last couple of conversations is just how different our world and our society is compared to what we read in biblical times.

And I would love to know your thoughts on how we can, or how you've seen, biblical themes and messages adapted culturally and appropriately for the 21st century.

Kenny

I think the thematic angle is a good one, isn't it? Because the world changes, becomes more complicated, more technological, etc. But themes like justice and generosity and responsibility, they don't become more complicated in some way. Maybe how to apply them requires a bit more thought.

But there are questions that we might use to index our hearts in some ways: ‘How much is enough?’; ‘What does responsibility or stewardship mean?’; ‘What does generosity mean in this context?’ And I think those endure.

In Jewish tradition, they have three moral principles which we could do well to adopt: Tzedakah (righteous acts); Tikkun Olam (to repair the world) and Chesed (charity or loving-kindness).

Jews, like Christians, live in a really complicated world, but they will try and use these enduring themes, these eternal themes really, to apply them to our current systems.

What has changed in the complex market economy that we live in today is we're more removed from where our money comes from and where it goes, and what labour looks like. So, it becomes very abstract, and I think not always in a helpful way.

And so, one of the things we've ended up doing is allotting value to financial worth - so someone has more status, more value, if they earn more money. And the truth is, some of the most valuable jobs in society are the least well remunerated, caring professions etc.

So, there's certain ways that our culture tempts us to think that I think we need to be really careful about. And also, there are real justice issues, like the Church of England got into real trouble for having investments in Wonga. And I think quite right; I mean, it's appalling, appalling. And I've got to imagine that Justin Welby, the Archbishop, knew nothing about this at the time. But they're awful: thousands of percent interest to people who already have no money.

So, I think there are real justice issues: where is my money going? And we can ask that question in a thousand different ways, whether it's about animal welfare or social justice issues or arms trading or whatever. And that's hard because as I say, we are very removed from where our money goes and what it's invested in.

Simon

You said an interesting phrase there, Kenny – ‘The world tempts us to think certain ways’; and certainly about money - the world is obsessed with money, and, like you say, it places a person's value based upon their personal value, much more so than on their values, what they care about, what they think about.

I wonder, therefore, if we flip that on its head and think about what the church tempts us to think about in the arena of money. It feels to me like the church struggles to speak well into people's lives about money and wealth and possessions.

What has your experience been of the teaching on money in churches, in small groups, through your Christian faith and journey?

Kenny

What's conspicuous is how silent it is, given how loud the gospel is on this stuff. Jesus speaks about it more than anything else, and I think it's talked about less than anything else in the churches I've often been to. There's an awkwardness there. There's a sense of putting people off or sounding judgy, and there's all sorts of perceptions and problems people have, talking about money. And so, it gets often a wide berth.

But I don't think the gospel wants to let you off. It's there because it's such a significant spiritual issue for us.

So, my experience has been, honestly, I want to be challenged more. I would like someone from the pulpit to be saying, ‘Yeah, let's be honest about this,’ and that happens in bits, but it's crumbs here and there, while it is a force of Jesus's teachings, it seems.

And so, I think there's an awkwardness around it. I would like, I think, to be challenged more because it might prompt me to align my behaviour with my ideals a bit more. If that happened, perhaps having more honesty and vulnerability around it, I could stand up in church and maybe explain what I do with my money and that I wish I was a better version of myself. And that invites other people to become honest as well. And we can start a conversation from a place of vulnerability rather than suppression and avoidance.

I think coaching type conversations that people can have that help them reflect - I think that could be a helpful thing that churches could do around money. One of the things that strikes me - and I wonder, Simon, as someone who understands a lot about finance, what you think of this - the gospel message is countercultural at every turn. It would seem to me that that follows with money as well.

But it also seems that in churches, money is probably the least countercultural bit of teaching that we get. I find I can carry on in the ways of the world and never really be nudged out of that discomfort as long as I'm giving a bit, doing my tithe or whatever - enough to self-justify - I can be left alone.

But when I think how much Jesus needles at every other aspect of our lives -and he speaks about money more than anything else, right? - then, why would it be any different when it comes to money? Why would it be anything but countercultural?

Simon

I think what's interesting is if you look at biblical truth about money, so much of the wisdom going way back to the Old Testament, certainly in the Proverbs and into the New Testament, works in modern society. Diversification, planning, saving up, avoiding debt - they're biblical principles.

But it goes so much further. It's like society has taken on board the easy stuff from the Bible without even realising where it comes from. There's so much good teaching and good wisdom you can hear, whether it's in management and leadership and finance, you go, ‘That's just the Bible repackaged. That's all it is!’

But then they've stopped and they've not gone into the bit which then seems more countercultural.

Jesus says it's okay to pay your taxes because what he says is, ’Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's’ and the world can stop there - it doesn't say, ‘And give unto God what is his’.

It's like we'll take what we're comfortable taking from the Bible, but please don't give us that uncomfortable bit. It's too crazy!

And yet it does work!

Kenny

That's a really good point. And we do self-select things that will suit our lifestyle.

So, what do we do about, ‘Gift to anyone who asks,’ or, ‘If you have two cloaks and your brother has none, then give him one.’ It's just like old school redistribution of wealth or the widow's mite.

You know, it's not how much you give, it's how much it hurts you – like, it should hurt you! Or Matthew 25: ‘What you didn't do to the least of my brothers, you didn't do to me.’

That's the stuff I need to hear from the pulpit because that feels hard. It feels really hard and also probably very formative to do.

Bex

And I'm also struck about sometimes the lack of spaces for conversations like this. I was just reflecting on when I was single, I felt like I had to have active conversations with people about money because I can find money quite stressful. I had a slightly unusual financial situation in terms of being self-employed and not having a consistent income. And so, I was desperate for people's input and to chat through different situations and was really fortunate to have a whole bunch of people who were up for those conversations.

But it just struck as, as we prepared to get married, how little encouragement or expectation there was to talk about money. And just thinking, gosh, how do we keep those conversations open so that it's not just a conversation between the two of or with any children or other family members, but, actually, it's a wider conversation that encompasses more views than just our own and our own life experiences.

So, if either of you have any wisdom on that, I'd love to hear it!

Kenny

There is some help through CAP (Christians Against Poverty) and things like that, but that tends to occur to people when they're struggling. And, actually, you could be fine pay cheque to pay cheque, and could be going all right, but money is still a thing that you need to talk about.

And, yeah, I think constructing habits around them which require being a bit deliberate to create those spaces, like you're doing here.

Simon

There's something I've heard recently called ‘the prosperity paradox’, which is the more we have, the more complicated it gets, the more stressful it is, the more decisions we have to make and the more things we can get wrong. Having nothing is actually a lot easier because you can't decide what to do. You just have to survive and not much else.

And so, I live in that place of ‘prosperity paradox’. I'm advising people who have plenty. They have prosperity, but that doesn't make their lives easier. It makes it more complex.

And, like you say, they're kind of divorced to some degree from what the money could be used for. For example, the question of enough. ‘What is enough?’ might be my question. ‘How much is enough?’ could be a question that I would live with the rest of my life and answer in so many different ways in different contexts.

But I want to wrap this up, Kenny, with actually reflecting back to you: do you have a question? What is your question that you would answer to yourself, Kenny? What's the question we should be thinking about for our lives?

Kenny

I think I would pick, ‘What does it mean for me to live in integrity? How do I integrate my beliefs with my actions and my words?’

Simon

The concept of integrity goes a lot deeper than I think we superficially use that word – ‘Live with integrity, be honest!’ - there's so much more than that.

Kenny

Yeah, it's a deep concept that we can spend our whole lives trying to understand.

Bex

I don't know about you guys, but I feel like I just need to sit in a dark room for a little while and just think about some of these questions.

Kenny, thank you so, so much for your time, for your honesty, and for your insights today. It's been so interesting and just quite a different perspective from what we often hear on this podcast - so, we've really appreciated that new angle.

And if you would like to hear more from Kenny, please do check out ‘The Examined Life’, and we will have all the details for that in the show notes.

Simon

And if you have some big questions in your life, feel free to send them in and we'll ignore them and pass them on to Kenny for his own personal use! But the big question that we have is, ‘What happens next?’ Well, we have another guest episode coming up before we start our new season - so tune in next time – because you can still tune into podcasts - and you will hear Bex and I and the ‘Where Your Treasure Is…’ podcast, with a new guest.

In the meantime, thank you from me and goodbye!

Bex

And thank you, and off to sit in a dark room!

Kenny

Goodbye from me and thank you so much, both Bex and Simon - it's been a joy!

Bex

That's it for this episode of ‘Where Your Treasure Is…’

Simon

Thanks for listening. Let's keep learning to be good stewards of all we've been given.

Bex

See you next time.