INTRO

Today, during the “Staying on the Road” segment, we will discuss when it comes to RV parts, do brands matter? And in enjoying the RV life segment today, it's all about cookware for your RV. It sounds simple, but it might not be as simple as it sounds. And then today in the next stop, we will discover the charm of Shiner, Texas.

Then, we're going to wrap up the show with RV Envy. And we're going to talk about the RV Defender Tire Protection System. Again, yeah, we've talked about it before. We like it. So, we're going to bring it up one more time. This is Eric Stark with The Smart RVer Podcast, delivering the smarts you need to enjoy the freedom of the RV lifestyle without the fear of breaking down.

LIVING THE RV LIFESTYLE

So today is episode 142. So, let's get into it. How are you doing today, Alexis?

ALEXIS- I'm doing well.

ERIC- She's lying. She's sick. Oh, you could see her. Yeah. I look terrible and shambles. She's a wreck. No. All right. So, Alexis is here today and she's going to help us out with our show. I was thinking about years ago.

Now, when I was a kid, not that long ago, you know, but anyway, they had about 13 channels on the TV. Well, the TV only had 13 channels on one knob, and then the other knob had all these other numbers. And so, you, and now before that, they had a radio, you know, a long time ago, but just radio, but entertainment has changed, and it was getting, it made me think about.

How out of 13 channels, we only got about six or seven that came in. Now, this is living in Southern California, and then you could occasionally go to Channel 52. Do you like Gumby and Pokey, Speed Racer? And that wasn't all the time. It wasn't always there. You know, depending on the day, the time of day.

It was kind of a weird thing. You know, a little kid, you're like, oh, I want to see if I can get that. But you know, today it goes beyond that. And that has grown over the years. You know, cable came out, satellite TV. You go from, you know, 13 channels to. You know, hundreds, thousands, and then it's changed even more today.

So, entertainment, you know, television has evolved into what was once free. Now to what you pay for all the time, there are some areas where you can still get free channels and some people do, but it's not as good. There's not as much entertainment and it's changed. We crave a different type of entertainment today.

And it just made me think about how we must be careful with all the different subscriptions. Maybe we have, you know, a satellite service, you're paying something there, a hundred bucks or more a month. Then you add Hulu, you add Netflix, you add all the other things to it. And next thing you know, your hundreds and, depending on the size of your family, maybe even a thousand dollars a month in entertainment.

Yeah. No kidding. And you know, is it worth it? How many of these things do we use? You know, so we got to, it just came up because suddenly, we had this, , subscription. I didn't know we had it. Karen's been using it, and I'm like, wow, we have this for how long she watches it. It's like one show, you know, but it's not that expensive, but it adds up over time.

And it just got me thinking about how it becomes a runaway train if we're not careful. Yes. You know, we don't have that much entertainment ourselves, but some people with kids especially might have a lot. So, just keep an eye on that. There's a little tidbit for you.

Sometimes, these things become, you know, a runaway train. Now, another thing, you know, I want to bring up is customer service as it's dwindling today. And I promise this will be it. Then, we're going to get right into enjoying the RV life. So, the definition of customer service is something like this. Customer service is the support you offer to customers, both before and after they buy and use your product or service, that helps them have an easy and enjoyable experience with you.

Offering amazing customer service is important if you want to retain customers and grow your business. So, is that what we see today? Is that the feeling we get when we shop online? When we walk into stores, does it feel like they want you to come back? You know, management or the corporate headquarters might, but the people on the floor.

They could probably care less. Customer service is gone. Yeah, sadly. Yeah. I will push it, shop with places that take care of you. Local, local. There you go. You know, I mean, we have a reputation where we're at for great customer service. It's five stars on Google's. We got the reviews to show it.

Yeah, but it takes work. It takes effort and training, but we enjoy it. And our customers enjoy it. Yeah. So, shop or places at places where they take care of you from going elsewhere. It's like cheers. When our customers walk in, we yell their names. All right, everybody. So, let's get into enjoying the RV life.

Today, we're going to talk about cookware for your RV. It's kind of a basic topic, but you know, a lot of newbies get into this, and they don't know what to do. Some people just kind of walk in and out of the house with things on each trip. You know, and, and we got a list here, and it's on our website. It's a smart RV dot com under enjoying the RV life.

So, the list will help us, but it's not a rock-solid thing. You must just. So, Alexis, what are some of the points on the list that probably stand out to you?

ALEXIS- Yeah. When we're thinking about how much we need to bring, I think you were bringing up this point. You don't want to overdo it with your RV. Weight is a super important thing to always think about overall. So, um, getting compact things for limited spaces is a really good idea. Um, maybe you don't need a whole set of cookware, maybe just one thing, and it, um, it depends on how much you're doing it and where you go. So that is one point where you might not want to bring everything in your kitchen that you would have in your RV kitchen.

So, thinking about that. And then, too, maybe it says here, durable materials for longevity, but you know, depending on how much you do it, don't spend much money on it. You get something cheap, and you're probably going to be fine.

ERIC- That's true. And you know, there's, you know, we think about the RV lifestyle.

It requires you to be practical and efficient. Yeah. You don't want to have a bunch of stuff or not have enough, especially if you like to cook, you certainly don't want to have a shortage of some of the things you need. You know, you only have so much space in an RV and now this might be where you must get kind of creative sometimes.

Maybe you must pack certain things away that would be hard to access, but then maybe there's a place in the RV where you could hang them on the back of a door, make a little rack that would hold certain things, as well as the door, will hold the things like that. Then when you get ready to leave, you can, or when you're done using them, you can pack them away again.

It's getting kind of clever with stuff, but you know, it's functionality. Thinking ahead, you know, if you're going to be gone for three days, do you have to have a big breakfast or could you just get oatmeal in the little containers you have in the microwave? Exactly. Yeah. If you're not going to be someplace where you have power and you're just going to be running off 12 volts and propane, then maybe, um, you know, something where you just oatmeal, where you add hot water, but you must boil the water, not a big deal.

So, you just need a pan for that. You don't need a set of pans, even silverware, you know, especially if you don't have kids; it's just a, you know, a husband and a wife. , where a couple, they could just have the basics, you know, a fork, a spoon, a knife, two of each, you know, honestly, so you can do it accordingly.

And so, I recommend, you know, if you're a newbie, just take some things out of your house for the first few trips. Think about what you need. And then add to that later, if you're experienced and maybe you're buying a new RV, maybe that's time to go through all your stuff. Do I need all this?

Yeah. You know, sometimes you downsize an RV or maybe the RV is bigger, but the kitchen is less space, you know, however, how it works out. So that might be the time to reevaluate, you know, what do you need? Yeah. You know, sometimes we buy things, oh, this would be great. And then we never use it.

Exactly. Yeah. Just dead weight. Exactly. You know, a coffee grinder, grind your coffee before you go. Don’t have a coffee grinder with you. So, this entire list is to be on the website, and we could go through it, but it was taking too much time but a lot of it's just common sense and thinking about what you need.

You know, it's just another one of these things we bring out to help you enjoy that RV lifestyle without really getting burdened with all these other things and just becoming a burden and weighing us down. All right. So now we're going to get into staying on the road. Before we get into that, I want to remind everybody that if you go to Sun Pro Manufacturing, if you own a Freightliner M2 or S2, we have a solid black windshield cover on there now.

STAYING ON THE ROAD

So, for the Freightliner M2 and S2 only, solid. Black so no light's going to go through it. Just a reminder: We sell a lot of these people call us all the time asking about it, emailing us, texting us. So, I just want to throw that out there now: staying on the road is all about Brands and whether they matter?

So, when it comes to buying RV parts, RV Keep in mind that it's your RV, you know, you want to take care of it, but we're going to dive into this because the brands, products, brands, all of it combined, the landscape is ever-changing. Consumer choices have changed so much. You know, when you go to a grocery store, they're three, four times as big as they used to be in the seventies or eighties because of all the expansion of brands; it's not necessarily new products.

Now they have 200 flavors of orange juice, you know, 3, 000 different flavors of soda, 900 different types of bread. So, things are changing. But we want to explore the shift that's taken place from the classic, well-known brands to the rise of these lesser-known counterparts. And we're talking about RV parts here.

So, do brands still hold the same significance they once did? Pay attention. And enjoy the ride. Cause we're going to go back in history a little bit and talk about transformation. So, there was a time you'd go down the highway and you'd see certain signs, you know, maybe it was Burma shave, you know, an iconic brand, and you'd have this sign, and you know, the five signs before it, there was say, you know, next stop, pay attention or whatever they were, I don't remember.

Then suddenly it says Burma shave, you know, or you'd see the billboards along the highway for Coca-Cola, Pepsi. You'd pull into a gas station if you're traveling someplace, even locally, you know, the attendant would wait on your customer service, but he'd probably be sipping on a Coca-Cola or a seven up.

They'd have a big machine and glass bottles. And those things kind of gave us a connection, you know, with, with, with companies, with people, it reminded us that people are still people. You know, it's changed today. You know, and that was a time where, you know, golf stations, shell Phillips, they're all over the place is they're smaller.

They weren't self-serve, you know, they are full-serve and you'd wait in your car, and you'd get that full service. You'd get that customer service. So that's how things used to be, where there's a great connection between people, brands, and products. But as time or decades have rolled by, there's been these societal shifts where that.

Where people's needs have changed, but what we've seen is the decline of some of the classic brands, not only that, but we also see the decline of brands in general. And some of us, because of consumer preferences, are a different person or a different group today, increased competition, some brands that hung on for years or decades.

Get taken over by a bigger company because they get comfortable like Kmart, for example, well-known brand Sears, but they're asleep at the wheel and lose their relevance, but those are brands you could connect with. Oh yeah, there's a Kmart store. You know, you'd be in another town, it kind of reminds you of a home in a way.

And some of these shifts have paid the way for newer brands, potentially higher quality, but not always. You know, some of these supposed new and improved products that have hit the scene aren't new and improved. And when certain products go away, it kind of leaves a vacuum out there where there's nothing there to replace it.

And that even happens in the RV industry, as small as it is compared to everything else. You can have a little vacuum, , a certain product gets discontinued by a manufacturer that was on, you know, hundreds of thousands of RVs. Now it's not there, but then you have hundreds of thousands out there and they need replacement parts.

So, it just goes away unless someone's innovative and decides, hey, I want to make a part for that, you know, cause there's so many of them, but that doesn't happen all the time. It just means you take it off, upgrade, and buy a new one. And quite often you must put on another lesser-known brand or something that's.

But instead, we have a society that's, you know, we've, we've lost the sounds of traditional shopping, like malls are empty anymore, you know, comparatively speaking to years ago, people walking in a mall, you know, the sound of their footsteps has been replaced by the clicks and scrolls of online shopping.

It's a time where, metaphorically, we find ourselves in a digital cafeteria, sorting through the offerings of various online markets. Now, if we zoom in on the world of RV parts, we're witnessing the proliferation of low-quality and sometimes dangerous products. And they're being pushed to the top of some of the online marketplaces, or they're being pushed to the top.

And some of these products work their way into RV stores because an RV store might say, oh, look how cheap that is. We can buy that and resell it in our store. And I've seen it, you know, firsthand people doing these RV stores. So, you must be cautious sometimes. Other markets have experienced this over the decades they've experienced in home appliances and car parts. There's so many, it goes on and on technology, but we've worked our way through it and we kind of realized, well, this brand. Or this no-name thing is what I'm going to stay away from. So, we've experienced it, but it's still new to the RV world. Now let me give you some examples.

Kind of set the stage there. So, the first one would be toilet valves and RV toilets. So, it's the water valve where the water line goes in till you push the pedal to flush it or twist the hand lever and water's going to fill the bowl and so forth. You know, there's a lot of brands of these now. It used to just be Thetford and Sealand.

And then Dometic bought sealant. So now it's Thetford sealant, Dometic and Volterra had a toilet out there for a while. Camco has a toilet now. Libbert has a toilet, but let's just stick with the main stuff that Thetford and Dometic made or a Sealand made. So now you can get replacements for those for 25 percent of the price, 15 percent of the price.

And are they any good? No, they're not. You know, they're low quality. We have bought a lot of these things and tested them. And they don't work and there, they're just a low-quality product. Cause sometimes it's replacing a product that already has a lot of problems, like a toy, a Dometic three 10 toilet valve, or 300 series.

Those things fail all the time. Someone will knock that off and they say it's an improvement, but it's not, it's just the same thing or worse. You know, in general, it's worse because it's lower quality. They're trying to sell something for, you know, 15 on one of these websites when it really should be at least 60 or 40 or something.

Think about that 15 with free shipping. How much do you think that thing costs them to make? How much money are they making? Especially if they're paying fees to the, to the website, then, you know, you can go into electrical cords, adapters, and replacement ends for power cords, for RVs, not only. Does it cause little problems because they don't work that well?

They don't work the same. But also, you're using 110 volts or 220 volts, and that can cause a fire, burn down your RV, burn down your house, burn down your neighbor's house, you know, burn down someone's RV that's plugged in at your house. They're using one of your cores that you got on one of these places, dirt cheap.

And I, you know, I bring this up because we've also seen those people come in with cord ends, want us to put on a, replace it and put it on a power cord for them. I have a friend who bought all this stuff on one of these websites and all of it was pure garbage. It took him, you know, four or five times longer to put a cord end on than he, than it would have if he just bought a good one from one of the major brands, people that have been doing it for a long time.

And then for the long haul, you know, there are hundreds of these no-name brands or, it seems like, hundreds on these websites that just kind of pop up out of nowhere. They don't have a website. You can't find this product anywhere, but on that website, it's like the company doesn't exist and it probably doesn't because it's somebody in another country selling to his cousin here who's selling on this website.

And that's it. There is no real backlash. There's no accountability. So, with power cords, not only can they be harder to use or put together, but adapters, lower quality, tend to burn up, failing quicker. And these are fire hazards when it comes to 110, 112, or 220 volts. Now another interesting one is wiring connectors.

Now, you might think, okay, Eric, you've gone off your rocker now. Wire connectors, who cares? And, you know, in some regards, I understand that. Cause that's how I felt, you know, wire connectors who cares, but you go to some of these websites, the bigger ones, and they'll have all these different types or, you know, brands of wire connectors.

You've never heard of one of them, not one of them. They're not mainstream. They're just cheap. You know, you get 5, 000 connectors for like 19. It was cheap. But what happens is, is when you take these connectors and you compare them to with a good brand, like maybe what Home Depot sells or a store, you know, an electrical supply company, even auto parts stores sell better quality ones.

So, you take, let's say, just a butt connector, you're going to connect two wires. You have a crimper; you crimp it down on both ends with the cheap brand you got off one of these websites. Now, if you're doing it right, you would pull on it. Anyways, you always do that whenever you crimp a wire to test it.

Now on the cheap ones, the wire is just going to pull out on the good ones. It's not going to pull out the crimps work better. And you know, I've experienced this firsthand because I've bought some of these cheap ones. Well, gosh, it takes four connectors to get a good crimp. And you're always pulling it.

It pulls right off. It's like, wow, this is ridiculous. Must be me. You know, I mean, I've been crimping for decades, you know, since I was a kid, you know, doing wire connections and things. So then, you know, you start to realize is that the brand and this came to my attention from a video on YouTube, I'm not going to say the name of the person, but there's a YouTube on this stuff and it shows it in depth, how poor it is.

And the same person did a video on fuses that you can buy on these online marketplaces, 12-volt fuses. So, we're past the connectors by good quality ones, unless you want to just go through them, they're cheap enough that you can just check and double-check and make sure the crimps work. But remember, every time a crimp fails, generally, you must cut the wire off, and then the wires are going to get shorter.

So, depending on what you're working on, you don't want the wire to get too short, you need to have some space there. Okay. So now fuses. Is another issue. You can buy these cheap fuses and you're thinking, come on, it's used and has been around for decades as well. They should have this figured out. Right?

Well, if you take a two-amp fuse from these marketplaces and you know, this isn't painting a brush for every single one, but it. Pace the picture for there's a problem out there. So, this person in this video took a 2-amp fuse and tested it. And this guy's and, , , electrical genius. So, it wasn't just some schmuck like me doing his garage.

This is an electrical genius, who knows what he's doing. So, he's putting a load on the fuse at 2 amps, the fuse doesn't blow. Increases the load to 4 amps, the fuse doesn't blow. Okay, at 2 amps that's fine, but now it's at 4 amps, the fuse doesn't blow. So, he says, well, let's give it a minute. Maybe it's a slow blow fuse, you know, being sarcastic.

So, he went to the bathroom and his video ran the entire time. When got a cup of coffee, you know, he comes back 10 minutes later, and the fuse hasn't blown. Put another two-amp load on it. Now we're at six amps. The fuse hasn't blown. Now this is a two-amp fuse. He puts another load on it of two more amps, making it eight amps that it finally blows.

So, you think about that, you know, how many devices or components can get ruined because a fuse won't blow. That's the point of the fuse to step to stop problems, to save the thing that, that the fuse is there and maybe it's a stereo or a light. It's there for a purpose. You know, some people just bypass fuses, just take them out, or run stuff without fuses.

You must have fuses. And now this is 12 volts. So, it's not like it's 110 volts, but you can still get a small fire. You can ruin devices and connect to them. The wires can burn up, things can happen. So now on a 15-amp fuse, if it doesn't blow up 15 amps, but only blows it, let's say. 25 amps. You have got a bigger problem with 30 amps.

You have a gigantic problem. So, you must be cautious with these things by named brand fuses like Busman, they've been around forever. They're in the automotive industry. You know, they're a good and trustworthy brand. They're probably more expensive. But isn't it worth it knowing that you have a fuse that is going to blow when it's supposed to so you can look at all these different things, you know, see, you know, you must make good decisions, sewer hoses, water hoses, propane hoses, the things that are sold on some of these online marketplaces are garbage?

They might work for a bit, but they don't work for a long time. Now I was brought up in an era where you buy it once you buy it good and you're done with it. Rather than keep buying a cheap one, you know, what's the definition of insanity? Keep doing the same thing and getting the same results. That's insanity.

So, we don't want to be insane. We want to buy good products. So, we're coming to the end here of, you know, talking about this when you're shopping, think about brand loyalty. Now, not every brand is going to be a rock-solid brand either. I'm not saying that, but we must be cautious of the no-name brands.

The one, the brands that aren't good. We are already aware of them. So, we're witnessing a lasting shift of valuing low, low-quality products, and low-quality innovation over brand recognition. So, it's just like a child who's contemplating the school cafeteria's mystery lunch. You know, consumers face a similar dilemma when they're online shopping.

You know, are we knowingly consuming the metaphorical equivalent of cafeteria garbage in our digital shopping carts? It's a valid concern. But we don't need to fear this. You know, , the online marketplaces are changing and, but there's still some hidden gems out there. There are places where you can go online that prioritize customer service.

And curate selections of high-quality products. So, as we navigate the virtual cafeteria of consumer choices, let's remember not all online platforms serve garbage. In this digital age, discerning shoppers can find reputable online markets that continue to uphold standards of excellence.

There's not a lot of them. They're going away, but they're there.

All right, Alexis, wake up.

ALEXIS- I'm awake. Don't worry.

ERIC- Alexis is sick. So, she's, you know, where they're dozing off, got her pillow out. Okay. So, I hope that helps everybody. You know, it's not to bash all these places online. It's just to make you aware of the products out there that are not good and don't spend your money on them.

You know, having a brick-and-mortar business gets an advantage a lot of this because we see it firsthand, and we can experiment with it because it's part of what we do. But when people come in and they buy something, yeah, I just bought this on such and such and it's already failed, you know, do you have one that's better?

We want to reach some new heights. So please share it with others. All the episodes have value for them. It might not fit what you need now, but it will sooner or later. I used to listen to a show driving a lot about gardening. Yeah, I wasn't into gardening. Never have been, never will be. But now and then I pull a rabbit out of my hat or something I heard on that show, you know, it pays off.

NEXT STOP

Okay, so now we're going to go to the next stop. So now Alexis must wake up because we're going to discover the charm of Shiner, Texas.

ALEXIS- All right, yeehaw.

ERIC- The place where the beer flows is in the street. That's right. So, what do we get, Alexis, in Shiner, Texas?

ALEXIS- There's a lot. It's kind of a unique place. Um, just traveling to Texas is kind of an adventure anyway.

But, um, we've got, like you said, beer everywhere. They've got a rich brewing heritage, um, I think the, you pronounce it, , Spoetzl. Spoetzl Brewery. Home of Shiner Beer. So, this is one for, you know, RVers who are inclined to find a good brewery to chase that. That might be a fun thing to check out.

It's got a lot of history with that. And Shiner is a smaller town, so it's got that small-town feel, you know, that we are Yeah. We may lack it if we live in a bigger area, so that can be kind of fun and has very pretty countryside. Um, a lot of historical landmarks and museums, so you can't go wrong.

ERIC- You know, there's a lot of history here. There is. And so, to put it in perspective on a map. So, Shiner is about halfway between San Antonio and Houston. It's just about the halfway mark, a little South. It's not on the 10. It's below 10. I don't remember what highway it's on, but it's below the 10. Then if you go straight up, you got Austin, Texas.

So as part of those three big cities in a sense, and then if you go further south, you have the Gulf of Mexico then even further, you know, Southwest, I guess you call it, um,

I think there's more to that name, San Padre Island or something, or Juan Padre Island. I don't know. So, it's in a cool place. Not only is it cool because of the brewing history, you know, it's not about the beer either. I mean, the beer is cool. If you, if you drink beer, you like alcohol, whatever, you know, you go, yeah.

But you know, the mugs come in, you know, there's going to be a ton of places like German-type stores there and sell cool things that you can't get anywhere else unless you're like solving California. It's going to have a lot to offer. And I'm speaking a little bit more because Alexis is a filling. So, , no, it's good.

Yeah. So, there's a lot there and there's always food places like this gob of food, you know, it absorbs that beer They've got fill up on beer and forget the food Then places like this too because of the heritage they always have events. Yeah, hooray, you know, yep beer guzzling days, whatever it is, fun stuff, fun stuff, family-friendly.

So, it's for everybody and everybody will enjoy it and go to someplace like this. So just reading up on it and a little like, you know, reading what we have here and what's on the website, you know, I was kind of like, hey, this is a cool place. I never really thought much of it. Texas, you know, I know there's a lot of nice places there, but I don't think that much about it because I just visualize Houston, right?

Right. But there's more city, not my cup of tea. So, it's worth checking out, and there's an RV or friendly town, too. So, can your RV be there? Yeah. And that's where we want to send you. So, some places are RV-friendly. Exactly. All right. So. Um, I'm sure you could find something on Shiner, Texas, and one of the, um, RV destinations magazines, you know, they have so many articles.

Awesome. It's an online magazine. You can get a physical copy if you want, but the images are awesome. The articles are great, and they whet your appetite as well. And that's what we're trying to do. It gets you thinking about where to go next. Plan your summer, plan your springtime trips. Get out of the norm where you kind of go to the same thing.

Every time you go out, where are you going? Oh yeah, that campground up north, you know, Joe's campground. Well, let's not go to Joe's this time. Let's go someplace else. Alright, so now that's going to bring us to the next part of the show, RV Envy. And in the past, I talked about RV Defender. You might not recall, but it's a tire blowout system.

RV ENVY

It's a Fender-type system that goes over each tire on your trailer. It's not for motorhomes, it's for trailers and fifth wheels. This product is just an awesome product and it's unique. There's another brand out there, but it's not nearly as good in quality as this one. And it's worth checking it out.

It's RVDefender.com is their website. So, if you're concerned about getting blowouts and, you know, mitigating the damage that happens from them, when that tire starts spreading everywhere, you know, tearing up the fenders, the underside of the RV, you know, they can Tires can rip through the floor and damage refrigerators.

They tear up holding tanks. They do a lot of stuff. Even the rocks flying off the tire, depending on where you travel, can start making holes in the bottom of the wooden fender or the floor or whatever, you know. So, you know, it's just an all-around great product. Now they're, they're not a giveaway prices.

You know, you're going to spend a couple of bucks getting these and it's going to take some time to put it on, probably pay. If you do it yourself, you know, plan on spending a day on this thing. It's worth it. Great products. So, I recommend checking it out if you haven't already been to RVDefender.com. So that brings us to the end of the show today.

So, in part of our push to share, we want you to go to our YouTube channel or just go to YouTube and type in the smart RV here. And we have our channel there with our videos, watch some of the videos, ones that catch your interest. We're producing new ones every other week, and we're going to try to do more of that now, maybe every week.

It takes a lot of time between the show, running a business, and doing videos, but we're working on it. So, check out the videos and if you like it, hit that like button and please subscribe to our channel. Now next week on episode 143. We're going to talk about TV brackets and flat-screen TVs. Oh boy. Is that going to be exciting?

Yeah, maybe not that exciting, but it's worth knowing. There are some pitfalls with flat-screen TVs that a lot of manufacturers of RVs don't catch and they're putting these TVs on walls, and it doesn't turn out to be a good scenario. As we close the show today, keep your discerning eyes open and have happy trails wherever you're going on the road or whether it's The digital aisles of e-commerce have fun doing it.

OUTRO

This is Eric Stark with The Smart RVer Podcast. It's been great hanging out with you. If I don't see it on the road, let's connect at The Smart RVer.com.