99: What They Didn't Tell You About The Pill & Fertility Growing Up

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Hey, I'm your host, Mari Wagner,

and you're listening to the Everbe

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Pull up a chair and listen in for

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and actionable steps on how to claim

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If you're a woman desiring to live

a Christ-centered life in today's

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modern world, then this is for you.

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Welcome to Everbe.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Welcome

back to The Ever Be Podcast everybody.

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We've got a guest on today.

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Hi Hailey.

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Welcome to Ever Be.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Thanks for having me.

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I'm excited to be here.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

Can you tell us a little bit

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about who you are and what you do?

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Yes, absolutely.

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So I'm, my name is Hailey Jager.

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I am a wife and a mom to three littles

I run, and I founded something called

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The Truth and Fertility Project.

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So I am all about fertility

charting as a diagnostic tool.

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So really helping women find root

cause healing in their bodies and their

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reproductive systems and their cycles.

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And so I kinda have my own backstory with

what gave me the passion to be in this.

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this space, but I, so I teach

the Creighton method of fertility

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charting and it's completely virtual.

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And then I also have my own podcast,

the Truth and Fertility podcast, which

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ma you've been on, which was amazing.

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So I'm excited to be here

on your podcast today.

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And then I'm also kind of getting

into the world of speaking too.

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So actually tomorrow I'm headed to

Omaha to give a talk at a Catholic high

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school, just about fertility and about

menstrual cycles and all the things.

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So I'm.

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Yes.

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Very excited.

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So that's kind of me in

a nutshell and what I do.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

That's awesome.

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Good for you.

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I was literally telling Trey the other

day, we were going on a walk with our dog

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and I was like, they do not do enough in

our high school health education classes.

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Like there needs to be way more

class requirements to graduate.

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It like should be

required to take a whole.

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Hormone class and fertility class

and charting class because how is

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it that as women we're not taught to

understand our own bodies we're just told

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good.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Exactly.

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And that's the reason I am like in

this space is because I knew nothing

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as a teenager and I'm like this, it

would've been so beneficial for me

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to know this at 16 rather than at 30.

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So yeah.

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So we're trying to get them young,

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Good.

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Good.

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Well, before we dive into this

conversation, I know we're both very

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excited about and I wanna hear all about

your backstory of how you got in and

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everything and learn from you today.

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Let's do a quick ever be moments.

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So this is just how the Lord

has been working in our life.

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Do you have an ever be moment recently?

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613: Yes.

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It's kind of funny Mari, 'cause

I was thinking about this.

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Before recording today.

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Like, oh, she's gonna ask me

this, what am I gonna say?

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And honestly, it's like,

it is nothing glamorous.

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It's actually the complete opposite of

glamorous, but we're, what are we in the

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third or fourth week of Easter right now?

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So we just, we just got over lent.

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And for Lent, I was praying the

litany of humility almost every day.

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And that, like, it knocked

me on my butt, which

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good.

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I

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

I needed to be knocked on my butt.

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um, yeah, it was just, Lord

really showed me in very tangible

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ways how reliant I am on him.

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And I am a very kind of type

A sometimes control freak.

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And so there were just things that were

just very much out of my control and

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I just, I'm like, oh, I, it was just

ways in which the Lord was showing me.

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you need me, Haley, you

need me, Haley, you need me.

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And that was, that was just huge.

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And so some, one of the fruits of that

is I've been very, just by the grace

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of God, I've been able to be a lot more

intentional about reading my Bible, um,

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and just spending some time in prayer

and every morning not perfect by any

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means, and is completely by God's grace.

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And I'm.

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Very much recognizing that now.

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But yeah, so that's been

really, it's not glamorous.

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I'm like, you know, a third of

the, or two thirds I would say, of

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the way through Matthew right now.

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'cause I always start there.

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But yeah, no, it's, it's

been, it's been great.

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Just the Lord really showing me that,

um, I cannot rely on myself because I,

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I am not reliable sometimes to myself.

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And the Lord is always there

and he is always reliable.

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Just, yeah, so there's that.

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There's my ever be moment.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

I love that.

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That's awesome.

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My ever be moment.

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Recently, so we recently made the

decision, well not recently, but

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like a couple months, months ago,

made the decision to adopt and we've

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been sharing about that a little

bit more online and everything.

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Thank you.

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And if anyone's heard our story, St.

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Carla CODIS played a

really big role in that.

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And it's funny because we.

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Carlo and I weren't like really close

when I asked him for his intercession,

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and he really came through on his feast

day and totally answered my prayer.

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So I've been close to him, um, ever since.

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And.

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On this whole journey, as I'm sure mothers

who are physically pregnant, we call it

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paper pregnant in the adoption world.

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But the moms who are physically

pregnant probably have moments where

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they freak out a little bit and

they're like, oh my gosh, like how

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am I gonna be a mom first time ever?

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Like, how am I gonna know what to do?

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And all the things, you start

getting all those fears and stuff.

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And recently I was just like

hearing like just the hardships.

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Of motherhood from some, from some women.

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I was like, oh my gosh.

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Like why would the Lord

think I'm prepared for this?

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Like maybe I'm not prepared for this.

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Like, oh my gosh, what

am I supposed to do?

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And Trey has just continued to

remind me, like when we first decided

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to adopt I, I told the Lord like,

I need like constant like little

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constellations, like all the time.

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Like, Hey, I'm calling you to do this.

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This is gonna be a hard journey,

but like I'm with you and this is.

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Where you're supposed to be.

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This is where your baby is.

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And I just, I kind of had a

hard week last week and I like

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prayed to Carlo Cuties again.

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I was like, Hey, you, you led me here.

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Like you gotta remind me that

like, you know, this is the journey

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that we're on and you're with me.

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And out of the blue, I got a letter from

a friend who, we don't keep in contact

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too much, but she sent me a handwritten

letter and a Carla CODIS prayer card

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literally on a day that I just like cried.

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And I was like, oh my

gosh, this is really scary.

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And.

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I opened up that letter and it

was just a little consolation,

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and it was just my friend, St.

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Carla Cuties coming back in

and being like, Hey, remember

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like I'm still praying for you.

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Like this is totally

where God's calling you.

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And so just a reminder to all of us, like.

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Even when you feel that like call to

do something big and you start, you

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know, following in those footsteps

and being obedient to the Lord and

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giving him your guess, doesn't mean

that it's going to always be easy, but

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the Lord is still working and still

encouraging you every step of the way

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and preparing you every step of the way.

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So thank you St.

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Carlos.

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That's my ever be moment.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

That is amazing.

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And you called it a little consolation.

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That sounds like a huge consolation.

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Like

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a

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yes.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

letter with his, with his prayer card.

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Like that's, come on.

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That's a pretty big consolation.

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That's awesome.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

so glad you got that.

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That's that's great.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I love it.

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Well, let's dive into our combo.

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So first of all, tell us more about you

and how you really got into this field

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working in women's health and fertility.

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I feel like anybody who's really in

this space has a story of like why,

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what really led them down this path.

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So share.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Yeah, no, totally.

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Um, and it's funny too 'cause

my background's in theology, so

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it's like not on anything medical

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means,

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

Yeah, funny.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

when I was 16, they kind of,

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they do very much coincide.

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So when I was 16, I was having, I

never, my cycle never really regulated.

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Like it was always just very irregular.

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By the time I was 16, most of my

friends had regulated by then.

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And I was just kind of the

lone wolf, and so I went, I was

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like this, this is probably.

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There's probably something

going on here, right?

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So I went to the doctor,

it's just my regular doctor.

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And what happens when a 16-year-old

girl goes to the doctor and says,

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Hey, I have I regular periods, she

gets put on the birth control pill.

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And that's exactly what happened.

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And I was on the pill for two

months and it made me so moody.

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Alright?

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Like I, I was like a different person.

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I, I actually, I think I remember.

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The first month I hated it

because it made me super moody.

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And then I decided, and then I

went back to the doctor and I was

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like, I do not like this thing.

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And she just prescribed

me a different type.

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And so I got a different type.

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It did the exact same thing.

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So by the, after those two months,

I was like, I'm so over this.

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This is

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this isn't

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613: Like

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

What's crazy?

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

unquote.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

What's crazy is that

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as a 16-year-old teenager,

you're already moody.

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So to even notice a significant

change on top of that is like,

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okay, something's really off.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

yeah, yeah.

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No kidding.

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Yeah.

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So something was very off,

like I was not okay, and so I

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was just like, you know what?

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Getting off this thing is better and just

not knowing when my period comes, so.

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I went the next two years, just kind of,

you know, doing, doing whatever and living

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with the irregular irregularity of it.

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And then when I was 18, I was

really involved in my youth

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group at that point in my parish.

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It was a senior in high school, and I

remember this, one of the core members or

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the leaders of the youth group, she gave

a talk on the church's teaching on natural

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family planning, which by the way, I did

not really grow up knowing a whole lot

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about, my parents didn't practice NFP,

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was just

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kind

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yep.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

it was all very new to

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

Yeah, totally.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

thing she said though in talk was

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that you can use your fertility

chart as like as a diagnostic tool,

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like you can use it in medicine.

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And it was like this light

bulb just went off in my brain.

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so after her talk, I remember like

running her down and like pelting her with

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question after question after question.

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And luckily, so I'm, I'm in Phoenix,

Arizona and luckily we have an

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amazing pro-life clinic ob GYN

clinic here that she told me about.

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And it wasn't very far from where I lived.

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And so she was like, why don't

you go there and just kind of

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see what they have to offer you?

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And so I went home to talk to my mom

about it, and my mom just very much out

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of prudence was like, that's totally fine

if you wanna do that, but let's just go

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back to your regular doctor first and just

see if she has anything else to offer you.

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Like, okay.

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So I go back to my regular doctor and

I'm like, Hey, okay, at this point I

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still have these irregular cycles, but

I don't want the birth control pill.

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What can you, what else can you offer?

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And she was super kind and

she was just like, can I ask

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why you don't want the pill?

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And I said, and this, this is all

I knew, which honestly is more, I

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think, than the average 18-year-old.

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But this is what I knew.

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I said, I'm not having a regular period,

that means I'm not ovulating regularly

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the pill isn't going to help me do

that, because the first mechanism of

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the pill is to suppress ovulation.

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so I was like, so I want something

that's going to help me ovulate.

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she looked at me and she said.

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Why do you wanna ovulate?

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And it was at that moment that I'm like,

there's, there's something going on here.

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Like

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

The brainwash.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Yes, yes.

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We are speaking two different languages,

like ovulation is a sign of health,

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like our bodies are meant to do that.

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And so I like to use this kind of analogy,

like it's like I went into the doctor

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and said, I have a broken left arm.

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And then she goes, oh, why

do you need that fixed?

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You write with your right hand.

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And it's like, you know, so I

mean apples and oranges, but.

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Honestly, like, and, and in her mind,

in the way that typical most doctors

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are trained in medical school even is,

why does an 18-year-old need to ovulate

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if she's not trying to get pregnant?

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She's not married, she's not.

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She doesn't need to ovulate.

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What's the point?

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But for me, I'm starting to recognize

ovulation is a sign of health.

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Like there is your, my body was

telling me something was wrong by

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having these irregularities, right?

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And so I said goodbye to that

doctor and I walked my butt

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right up to that pro-life clinic.

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And the first, and again, I'm 18 years

old, I'm a senior in high school like.

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I am.

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Yeah.

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But I'm just this little, little girl.

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Right.

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um, they, got an appointment there

and they immediately did blood work.

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They did an ultrasound.

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They also had me start charting my

cycle and I was chart, they had me

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start chart with the Creon method

because it's a more of a medical method.

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And so with those three things, blood

work, ultrasound, and uh, and the

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fertility charting, I was diagnosed with

PCOS, so polycystic ovarian syndrome.

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Basically, my ovaries just don't

work as well as the average

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women's, which makes sense because

they weren't ovulating regularly.

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I finally got this diagnosis like,

okay, I have this diagnosis, here we go.

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And PCOS, there's a lot of different

trajectories you can go with.

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Healing it, right?

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There's medicine, there's

diet, there's what have you.

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so I, at this point was kind of getting

into my freshman year of college.

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I really pushed off changing

my diet because what freshmen

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wants to change her diet?

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None.

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None.

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so I

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Also

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

off that.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: so hard.

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That's so hard freshman year of college.

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Like you have the cafeteria

as your disposal like.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

I remember they had the most amazing

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trips in the entire world, and

I'm like, I can't give these up.

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was also Chick-fil-A, like

in the center of campus.

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I'm like, I can't do it.

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So anyways, I got to like the highest

dose of medication that I could get on

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for PCIs and I didn't see any movement.

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And actually too, while I was doing

these different medications, different

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doses, I was still charting my cycle.

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So I could see on a piece

of paper tangibly how these

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different changes I was making.

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affecting my, my cycle.

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And so I got to the point where

I'm like, at the highest dose,

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nothing's really changing.

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And so finally I'm like,

okay, I'll change my diet.

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That was fine.

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The second I did that, I, that's

when it, the needle moved.

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I like it.

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It honestly, I didn't do anything crazy.

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It was just low sugar, low carbs.

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I said

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to, you know, the muffin in the

morning, high protein instead.

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And

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I started

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

and it was just like.

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And I saw this on my chart, like I

could see it tangibly, so I'm like,

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18, 19, 20, and then praise me to

God, I did this at the time that I did

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because I met my husband when I was

20 and we got married when I was 21.

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And we, we didn't wanna

have children right away.

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And for me, had I not gone through

that journey as a single woman,

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right, had, or had I stayed on the

birth control pill because a lot of

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girls, either they don't have bad.

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Symptoms while they're on the

pill, so they just stay on it.

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Or a lot of times they have that

moodiness and they just are given

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an antidepressant to suppress that.

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And so there's a lot.

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Yeah, there's a lot of women

that don't have that story.

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And so they just go on for

years, decades, even on the birth

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control pill, never having the

root cause diagnosed and treated.

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And, but because I did that

as a single person, I have the

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three children today that I do.

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It is bone shaking to me to think

that there's so many women out there

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who don't have that story, right.

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They weren't able, they, they, they

weren't given proper information

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as a high schooler, as a college

student, and they end, they end

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up suffering later on in life.

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And I've worked a lot with couples that.

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You know, are 30, even 40 years

old, that are just now entering

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into this health journey.

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And I just think to myself, if

somebody would've stopped you 20

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years ago to just teach you basic,

and I, I say basic for a reason.

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It is basic information about our

bodies that we are not taught.

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And if somebody would've done that

20 years, 15, 20 years ago, it

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would've been a completely different.

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Different scenario for them.

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Right.

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And so I, I just jumped

all in into this world.

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I became an NFP teacher, like at 21.

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Really?

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Like, so my husband and I were

going through marriage prep

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learning, NFP, and I was becoming

a teacher in it at the same time.

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So it was kind of a, a funny,

funny interaction, but.

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I just fell in love with it and

so I was teaching marriage mostly

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marriage preparation for a long time.

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And then back in 2023, I got the

opportunity to teach Crate the Creon

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model at that same OB GYN clinic

that I went to as an 18-year-old.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Cool.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

as kinda like.

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Site Creighton instructor, working

with the surgeon that's there,

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and that's where I really dove

into the medical side of things.

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And so I, I, now, I've since left

there, um, and now I have this Truth

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in Fertility project that I'm just, I'm

teaching virtually and still just trying

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to educate really high school, college,

young adult women about their bodies and

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help them learn that information then

rather than when they're 30, 40 and so on.

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And then.

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That also changes generations too.

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'cause when they have that information,

they can teach their daughters well.

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And so it really is this generational

change that we're making and I'm

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just happy to be a part of it.

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So that's, that's the story.

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And that's what, that's what

I'm, I'm here now doing.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

That's incredible.

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Thank you for sharing all that.

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I am sure that there are people

listening who can relate to you, who

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have probably gone through similar

things, who have tried to go to their.

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Doctor and been met

with similar responses.

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And so I think that, yeah, this

conversation's super important and

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I'm just glad there's more awareness

happening right now, which is great.

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And we just need to continue like

going full steam in that direction

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to reach even more and more people.

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Um, 'cause I think it, it's just like

to women, it's a confusing topic, right?

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Like you think you know about

yourself and I think there's a part

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of you that like, when you start to

hear more, there's almost like, um.

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Like, uh, I don't wanna say shame, but

like an embarrassment of like Yeah, yeah.

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I know my body like.

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What do you mean?

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I think I know, you know, and like we

were all told like, oh, use this app to

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like track your cycle and it's really

just like tracking when your period

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start and stops and like that's what I

did in college and I was like, oh yeah,

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I track and like I didn't know anything

about my body and I didn't know how

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to like read the cues and everything.

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And so it's just really, yeah, what

you're doing is really great and.

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Like I was saying, I think the

whole, this whole conversation can

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be confusing to women and especially

when it comes to hormones, it sounds

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like big and scary and like invisible.

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Like these are like invisible things in

our bodies that we can't fully like see.

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And sometimes we don't know what

those symptoms look like, um, or

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how hormones influence things.

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So can we kind of start

the conversation there?

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Like, how do hormones.

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Influence things like mood, like

you were saying, and energy, sleep,

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mental health, these bodily symptoms.

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What are some signs that maybe women

can look for that will indicate

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that your hormones are out of place?

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Yeah.

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that's a really good question.

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So there's a few things kind

of rattling in my brain.

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The first thing is just what,

what can we see on a chart?

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Even like what are some signs

that I myself am trained to.

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See, okay, this is a sign of

something going on, right?

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Maybe it's a hormonal imbalance, maybe

it's low progesterone, what, what have

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you, and then that's where I would refer.

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So I have a lot of doctors in my

back pocket that I refer people

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to, to, to actually confirm that

and then get, get further testing.

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Diagnosis and treatment from there.

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Right?

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So a few of the things that I'm

thinking of just that you can see

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on a chart, or even if you're not

charting, you can just kind of pay

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attention to and notice about yourself.

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So the first thing is, any, any ble

like the, the patterns of bleeding.

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So first of all is your period irregular.

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That's a great place to start to.

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To think through, okay, if your

period is irregular, that means

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there is something off like that.

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That is your body telling you,

Hey, there's something going on.

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Because our bodies as women

are meant to be regular.

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We are meant to ovulate

once a month, right?

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That is how our bodies

work in a healthy way.

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So if it's not working like that,

that's a really good sign right

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now, along with other bleeding,

bleeding kind of patterns too.

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Some days of spotting before the first

day of like bright red blood flow period.

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If you have like one or two days of

it, that's pretty typical, but three or

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more days of spotting before you start

that bright red blood flow bleeding

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that can be sign of low progesterone

progesterone's job is to keep your uterine

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lining intact and your uterine lining it.

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On the inside wall of your

uterus, and that is your period.

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That's blood cells and tissue.

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And so when you have your period, it's

that uterine wall that's shedding,

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and that's the bleeding that you see.

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And progesterone's job is to

keep that intact until the

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first true day of your period.

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So if progesterone's lowering too soon

or maybe never really got high enough

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in the first place, what can happen

is that that uterine lining starts to.

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Soften prematurely, and so you're starting

to see some spotting before you actually

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have the first day of your true period.

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So that's something to look out for.

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Another thing too would be brown bleeding

at the end of your period, one day of it.

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That's pretty typical.

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But when you get to 2, 3, 4, 5 days of

spot, or excuse me, not spotting, but

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brown spotting at the end of your period,

also sign that that progesterone was

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probably too low in the previous cycle.

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So there's just kind of some

things to think about there.

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Also cervical fluid is super important

to recognize for, for just health, right?

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And that's where you kind of get into,

I don't wanna say advanced charting

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by any means, because starting by

charting your period is a great start.

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And if that's where you're at right now.

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That's fine.

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But if you wanted to get into another

level of really learning how to

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identify these biomarkers that your

body is showing you, cervical fluid

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is a really good place to start.

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So another word for it

that we use is discharge.

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We also call it cervical mucus, right?

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But it's this fluid that's

produced in your cervix and that.

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fluid, your cervix is in response

to estrogen and progesterone.

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These are the two main female sex

hormones, and so typical rule of thumb is

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that when estrogen is high, when estrogen

is dominant, you're gonna be seeing a

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whole lot more of that cervical fluid.

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It's gonna be a lot more

stretchy, it's gonna be a lot

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more clear and more slippery.

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progesterone is high, typically.

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When you're post ovulation, after

you've ovulated, progesterone

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rises and it dries everything up.

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So there should be this ebb and flow

that's going on with your hormones

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and based on what your hormones are

doing, that tells your body to do other

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things, which are signs you can see.

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So I don't know if I'm getting too

technical right now, but that's kind

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of, that's kind of the, the gist of

of the gist of the cervical fluid.

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But also too, you know, some women

have cervical fluid all the time.

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Right?

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So that, that can be, that can, that

can could be something your body

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telling you, something might be going

on that could be cervical inflammation.

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There's some other things that

could be too high of estrogen.

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Um.

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Uh, too low progesterone,

you know, that's where we're

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seeing the spotting beforehand.

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We're seeing two, uh, not enough days

between ovulation in your next period.

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Okay.

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I, I'm realizing I'm kind of getting

technical here, so I will that,

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that, so those are some things that

I'm looking for on a chart right now

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in other signs and symptoms because

as women, I think, I don't think

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we give ourselves enough credit for

having an intuition that something's

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we

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

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squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

to ourselves like, yeah, things

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: 00:24:22

don't feel right right now, but like.

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I don't know.

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I'm sure everything's fine.

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It's probably nothing, right?

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No.

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Because we have this God-given

intuition that we need to use, right?

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And so moodiness, that's a

huge, huge deal, especially

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PMS before your period, right?

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Having one or two days before

your period of general, just not

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feeling all that great, maybe maybe

being a little bit more irritable.

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kind of normal just because estrogen

and progesterone are falling at

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that point, and that's what's

triggering your next period.

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when you're having, you know, three,

four or five a week, two weeks

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: 00:24:58

before your period starting to feel

symptoms of PMS or extreme PMS, right.

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is from, in my experience, from

what I've seen, it's very commonly

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a sign of low progesterone.

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And that's something that can be healed,

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be fixed.

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We're

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

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: 00:25:15

squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

not just doomed to be feeling

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like crap all the time.

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: 00:25:18

Right?

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So there's that.

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Another thing is pain paying

attention to your pain.

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Some discomfort around your period.

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Pretty typical because

your uterus is contracting.

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That's what's allowing the,

the uterine lining to shed.

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: 00:25:30

But when it gets to pain, like actual

pain where we're having to pop the

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Tylenol or ibuprofen on the hour,

and we're having to, even if it

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gets to the point where, especially

if you're missing school or work.

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a huge, huge thing and, and I've

talked to so many women that are

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like, oh, I thought that was normal.

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: 00:25:47

Like, I thought there was just

kind of the curse of womanhood.

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: 00:25:49

And I'm like, not at all.

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Like the Lord wouldn't, the Lord

wouldn't create us like this.

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If he just wants us to

be miserable, like no,

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to be

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: 00:25:59

mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

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: 00:25:59

squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Our cycle is meant to be life giving

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to us and to future offspring.

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: 00:26:05

And so that is, that is

how God designed it, right?

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And so we need to be paying

attention to these things.

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: 00:26:11

So those are just some things

off the top of my head.

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: 00:26:13

Sorry, I forgot a little technical

on the charting thing, but just

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different things to look at to notice.

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Okay, this might be a sign of something's

going on, so you can be your own

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advocate at the doctor's office and

say, no, I don't want the pill because

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: 00:26:26

for everything I just told you.

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: 00:26:29

A mainstream doctor is gonna give

you the pill that is, that is the

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mode of action is if they have

irregular periods, give 'em the pill.

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: 00:26:37

If they have painful

periods, give 'em the pill.

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: 00:26:39

If they have moodiness or

PMS, give 'em the pill.

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: 00:26:42

That is the end all be all

in in women's reproductive

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health and medicine right now.

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: 00:26:48

But I think, you know, we're really

lucky to be in a generation where

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women are starting to fight back.

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: 00:26:54

In, this

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: 00:26:55

mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

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: 00:26:55

squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

they're starting to realize this

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: 00:26:57

thing isn't actually helping me.

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: 00:26:58

This isn't good for me, and

I want something different.

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And so they're starting to advocate

for themselves, which is only going

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: 00:27:04

to cause doctors to have to dig more

deep into more, doing more research

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: 00:27:09

and doing, learning more about how

can they treat their women, like

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their clients, their women, their

patients well in a root cause way.

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: 00:27:18

So yeah, those are, those are

the kind of first thoughts I have

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about things that you can look for.

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mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

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Incredible.

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: 00:27:24

Super, super helpful.

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: 00:27:26

I hope y'all are taking notes because

that was a lot and it was really good.

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: 00:27:30

squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Sorry.

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I know, I realize.

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: 00:27:32

I'm like, I'm giving too much right now.

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: 00:27:34

mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

You are like, wait, I'm gonna

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: 00:27:35

give my whole course right now.

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: 00:27:38

No, it was so good and so helpful

to know truly, and, and I mean

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: 00:27:42

there's even more nitty gritty

you can get into it, you know?

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: 00:27:44

So it wasn't too much.

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: 00:27:45

It was really helpful.

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: 00:27:46

Tell us.

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So yeah, so we know, and a lot of

us have experienced, right, like

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: 00:27:50

birth control pillows offered.

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: 00:27:52

And it's funny you said it in your story,

it shuts down your cycle basically.

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: 00:27:57

And so.

605

: 00:27:58

When you really think about it, it really

angers you of like, okay, I'm gonna the

606

: 00:28:02

doctor's office because I need something.

607

: 00:28:04

And they're like, uh, let me just hide it.

608

: 00:28:06

And then we don't, well then we

don't all have to deal with it.

609

: 00:28:08

Like what kind of care is that?

610

: 00:28:11

Right?

611

: 00:28:11

So tell us also a little

bit more about that.

612

: 00:28:14

Like why are we trying to avoid it?

613

: 00:28:16

Why is it bad?

614

: 00:28:17

Like what are some important things

that women should know about how the

615

: 00:28:20

birth control pill actually works, that

they're not commonly told beforehand?

616

: 00:28:24

Any side effects, like, why

are we so anti the pill?

617

: 00:28:28

squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

That is a really good question.

618

: 00:28:29

And before I answer it, a, I, there's

kind of the story that came to my mind.

619

: 00:28:33

My, a mentor of mine in this

space, he's my old boss at, um, in

620

: 00:28:37

the Catholic Diocese of Phoenix.

621

: 00:28:39

He, one time went up to me and was like,

Hailey, what is your ultimate goal?

622

: 00:28:43

Like, what, what is your goal with, in

this, I don't know if you call it career,

623

: 00:28:47

but just in this space, what is your goal?

624

: 00:28:49

And I didn't even have

to think twice about it.

625

: 00:28:51

I remember just being like.

626

: 00:28:52

I wanna get girls off the

pill like that is my goal.

627

: 00:28:57

And because we're not taught

what I'm about to tell you again.

628

: 00:29:01

basic information about what

this drug is doing to our

629

: 00:29:04

bodies, which we are not taught.

630

: 00:29:06

So basic rule of thumb is that, so

we have estrogen and progesterone.

631

: 00:29:11

If you were to see, even if you

were to Google right now, like, um,

632

: 00:29:14

estrogen and progesterone throughout

the cycle, you could find a graph

633

: 00:29:17

that shows where estrogen and

progesterone are supposed to be.

634

: 00:29:21

There are different levels

throughout the cycle.

635

: 00:29:23

It is a wave.

636

: 00:29:24

It is not straight across right.

637

: 00:29:27

Pre ovulation.

638

: 00:29:28

Estrogen's supposed to be

dominant post ovulation.

639

: 00:29:31

Progesterone's supposed to be dominant.

640

: 00:29:33

There's supposed to be this ebb and flow.

641

: 00:29:37

But, uh, in our bodies

throughout the menstrual cycle.

642

: 00:29:40

But what the pill does is typically in

most forms of the pill, also to, when

643

: 00:29:44

I say the pill, I really mean just

any form of hormonal birth control.

644

: 00:29:47

So that could go for the depro, bevera

shot, Nexplanon implant, marina, IUD, just

645

: 00:29:51

anything that is altering your hormones.

646

: 00:29:53

This is typically how it works.

647

: 00:29:55

So with the, with the birth

control pill or hor hormonal

648

: 00:29:59

contraception, it's going to suppress.

649

: 00:30:02

Those receptors in your brain that are

turning on progesterone and estrogen,

650

: 00:30:07

your natural progesterone and estrogen,

and they're shutting that off.

651

: 00:30:10

And so your body is not producing

those natural hormones anymore.

652

: 00:30:14

And so the pill is flushing your

body with a synthetic version

653

: 00:30:19

of estrogen and a version of

progesterone, which we call progestin.

654

: 00:30:24

so these two hormones, synthetic

hormones, so not chemically the same

655

: 00:30:28

as what our own body produces, right?

656

: 00:30:31

They are at a.

657

: 00:30:32

Steady rate the whole time.

658

: 00:30:34

As long as we are taking this

medicine, they're at a steady rate.

659

: 00:30:38

Unless you're on the pill, right, and

you have like kind of that week of the

660

: 00:30:41

placebo pill or the sugar pill, or you

don't take the pill for a week, that's

661

: 00:30:44

when your body, you know, that's when

those hormones drop, those synthetic

662

: 00:30:48

hormones drop and you start to bleed.

663

: 00:30:50

But it's not a true period 'cause you're

never ovulating in the first place.

664

: 00:30:53

So you need to be ovulating in

order to have a true period.

665

: 00:30:57

that's what the pill is mainly doing,

is pumping your body with those

666

: 00:31:00

synthetic versions of those hormones.

667

: 00:31:03

Now, mechanisms or the modes of

action, right, that the pill or any

668

: 00:31:09

hormonal contraception does, there's

three main things that it does.

669

: 00:31:13

And this is if you are taking it for

medical reasons, this is if you're taking

670

: 00:31:16

it for contraceptive reasons, right?

671

: 00:31:18

This is what is happening

how the pill actually works.

672

: 00:31:22

So the.

673

: 00:31:23

First mode of action is that

it suppresses ovulation.

674

: 00:31:25

I said that already, right?

675

: 00:31:26

So if there's no, if there's no

ovulation, that's when an egg

676

: 00:31:29

is released from your ovary.

677

: 00:31:30

If there's no ovulation, there's no egg,

and if there's no egg, there's no baby.

678

: 00:31:34

Right?

679

: 00:31:34

But that's kind of the

first mode of action.

680

: 00:31:36

second mode of action.

681

: 00:31:38

Is that these, these synthetic

hormones will shut off your, the

682

: 00:31:44

production of cervical fluid.

683

: 00:31:46

So typically a, a regular cycling woman

is going to have a lot of that cervical

684

: 00:31:51

fluid when estrogen is high, that's

gonna be around the time of ovulation.

685

: 00:31:55

But because she's not ovulating, right,

there's none of those hormones that

686

: 00:31:58

are actually producing that fluid.

687

: 00:32:00

Now, the reason that that is.

688

: 00:32:03

Co.

689

: 00:32:03

A contraceptive means is because

sperm love cervical mucus.

690

: 00:32:08

They just do.

691

: 00:32:09

There's so cervical mucus

is very alkaline based.

692

: 00:32:12

Your vagina is very acidic, and so sperm

cannot live in an acidic environment

693

: 00:32:18

very long, but they can live in an

alkaline environment for up to five days.

694

: 00:32:23

So that a woman producing that cervical

fluid is very important to be able

695

: 00:32:28

to sustain and preserve the life of

that sperm to actually meet an egg.

696

: 00:32:33

conceive and for to fertilize

and conceive a new human.

697

: 00:32:37

if there's not enough cervical

mucus there, it's completely dry.

698

: 00:32:40

The sperm won't be able to live

long enough to actually meet

699

: 00:32:43

the egg to cause conception.

700

: 00:32:46

So that's kinda the second mode of action.

701

: 00:32:47

Now, we all know that there is no form

of any birth control contraception,

702

: 00:32:54

even NFP, that is 100% effective, right?

703

: 00:32:57

The only thing that is 100% effective to

postpone pregnancy is complete abstinence.

704

: 00:33:03

And so.

705

: 00:33:05

We are, if that is not a hundred percent

effective, that means that a woman can

706

: 00:33:09

ovulate when she's on the pill, that

we call that a breakthrough ovulation.

707

: 00:33:14

So she ovulates when she's on

the pill, there's a viable egg.

708

: 00:33:18

if mode number two fails, and she

did produce just enough mucus to

709

: 00:33:23

preserve the life of that sperm, that

egg and sperm can come together and

710

: 00:33:28

we have a brand new human life at

that very moment that human life has.

711

: 00:33:31

Its very own DNA.

712

: 00:33:33

Separate from the mother.

713

: 00:33:35

It is scientifically proven that

this is a brand new human life

714

: 00:33:38

at the moment of conception.

715

: 00:33:41

this, uh, this conception occurs more on

the outer third of the fallopian tube.

716

: 00:33:46

So if you have your uterus, the

fallopian tube is connected to

717

: 00:33:49

that, and then the ovaries on the

other side of the fallopian tube.

718

: 00:33:52

So conception occurs in the fallopian tube

more toward the side of the ovary, and it

719

: 00:33:57

takes about seven to 10 days for that new

life to pass through the fallopian tube.

720

: 00:34:02

Enter the uterus and I talked

about that uterine lining, right?

721

: 00:34:05

That being the period that your period

that you have, that's the uterine lining.

722

: 00:34:09

And so the uterine lining is

thickening every single cycle.

723

: 00:34:13

And the reason it's thickening is because

if a woman does get pregnant, that's

724

: 00:34:17

where that new life is going to implant

and to to receive nutrients and grow.

725

: 00:34:23

So the third mode of action with

the birth control pill is that

726

: 00:34:27

it thins that uterine lining.

727

: 00:34:30

So conception may actually occur still

in the fallopian tube, that new life

728

: 00:34:36

travels through the uterus, but that

that embryo will have no place to implant

729

: 00:34:43

and unfortunately is going to die.

730

: 00:34:46

so.

731

: 00:34:47

In this scenario, right?

732

: 00:34:49

The mother never will know that she

was a mother and the father will

733

: 00:34:55

never know that he was a father.

734

: 00:34:57

And that information right

there, is an injustice.

735

: 00:35:04

And I say that with the fullness

of the meaning of the term, it is

736

: 00:35:07

an injustice that women are not

taught what is actually happening

737

: 00:35:12

when they are prescribed this drug.

738

: 00:35:15

The amount it is actually most women

that are on this drug, which is one of

739

: 00:35:20

the most common drugs for women to be

prescribed, almost none of them know

740

: 00:35:27

actual mechanism of what is going on.

741

: 00:35:29

There and so it, we've actually

had an injustice done to us.

742

: 00:35:35

When we are given this, this drug, I

used to call it a medication, I was

743

: 00:35:38

actually told by a doctor, I love not

to call it a medication 'cause it's not

744

: 00:35:42

helping anything to call it a drug when

we are prescribed this drug, right?

745

: 00:35:46

No one is taught what it's actually doing.

746

: 00:35:49

And I think if we were taught

what it was actually doing.

747

: 00:35:53

There wouldn't be a whole lot

of women on it, I would assume.

748

: 00:35:55

Right.

749

: 00:35:56

so, yeah, this information, and I wanna

tell your listeners too, for those that

750

: 00:36:01

are just listening to this, right, or

they're just hearing this information

751

: 00:36:05

for the first time, I want you to

know that you are loved beyond me.

752

: 00:36:09

Like there is a heavenly Father

that loves you with a love that you

753

: 00:36:14

will never truly understand ever.

754

: 00:36:18

And he is weeping thought that

you have never been taught this

755

: 00:36:23

information until now, and.

756

: 00:36:27

By God's grace, whoever

needs to hear this right now.

757

: 00:36:30

'cause I'll tell the listeners too,

it is a, it was a huge fight for

758

: 00:36:34

Mari and I to get on this, on this,

uh, this, uh, this podcast, right?

759

: 00:36:39

We've had the most amount of

spiritual warfare that it took to

760

: 00:36:43

get here on this podcast is insane.

761

: 00:36:45

So I'm just very confident that

there is at least one listener

762

: 00:36:48

out there who needed to know that.

763

: 00:36:50

And the Lord is calling you to

have massive action right now.

764

: 00:36:54

The Lord is calling you.

765

: 00:36:55

something so much greater than

what you've been given, and so.

766

: 00:37:01

That is the mechanism of this pill.

767

: 00:37:03

Of this drug, right?

768

: 00:37:06

So when we're, when we're given this

information, right, what do we do?

769

: 00:37:09

Because for some women it's

like, I'm not just, I'm just

770

: 00:37:11

not taking my pill tomorrow.

771

: 00:37:12

And that, and it's as easy as that.

772

: 00:37:14

Other women have an implant in their arm

773

: 00:37:18

have

774

: 00:37:18

mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Yeah.

775

: 00:37:19

squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

get removed, right?

776

: 00:37:20

Or an IUD or something

in, in their body, right?

777

: 00:37:23

That they've been told was good for them.

778

: 00:37:26

So, and and also I wanna mention too, that

there are some women who maybe they're on.

779

: 00:37:32

The pill because they suffer from

really intense period cramps and just

780

: 00:37:37

stop taking the pill right now, is to

really enter into, into some suffering.

781

: 00:37:42

Right?

782

: 00:37:42

And so it can be difficult for

some women to just be like,

783

: 00:37:46

I'm not taking it tomorrow.

784

: 00:37:47

Right?

785

: 00:37:48

There's different barriers

that they have to, to overcome.

786

: 00:37:52

But I will say, this is where this,

this is really where I feel like the

787

: 00:37:56

Lord has, this is the space that I

feel like the Lord has put me in.

788

: 00:37:59

Is to kind of be that signpost and

educating them on what is actually

789

: 00:38:04

going on with this drug then

saying, okay, you need help here.

790

: 00:38:09

Here's a doctor that you can go to here

is here is somebody who can help you.

791

: 00:38:14

restorative reproductive medicine.

792

: 00:38:16

This is kind of the new, or maybe not

new, but in the last 50 years, it's been

793

: 00:38:21

very, very well developed into helping

women actually heal the root cause of

794

: 00:38:25

whatever unwanted symptom they're having.

795

: 00:38:27

So there's three main kind of, um, sub.

796

: 00:38:30

Uh, if, if re if restorative reproductive

medicine is kind of the umbrella term,

797

: 00:38:35

we have three things or three ways

of going about it underneath that.

798

: 00:38:40

So NA Pro technology that's

short for natural procreative

799

: 00:38:43

technology that, um, that, that's

tied in with the Creighton models.

800

: 00:38:46

So that's, I work closely with women

that are, that are going through that.

801

: 00:38:50

There's also fem, which is FEMM.

802

: 00:38:53

They're a really good organization

to, they also have doctors that

803

: 00:38:56

are trained in f fem protocols.

804

: 00:38:58

They won't put you on the

birth control pill, right?

805

: 00:38:59

They're gonna help you get to the root.

806

: 00:39:01

And then neo fertility, that's the

third one that I would recommend.

807

: 00:39:04

So those three ones, you

can Google any of them.

808

: 00:39:07

Um, and you can find doctors that are

trained in, in any of those three.

809

: 00:39:12

And those are the doctors

that you wanna be seeing.

810

: 00:39:14

Those are the doctors that are actually

gonna look at you as a human person,

811

: 00:39:17

see your symptoms and help treat you so.

812

: 00:39:21

I'll stop there because

I know I just said a lot.

813

: 00:39:24

mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

no, I would love if you could

814

: 00:39:25

dive in a little bit more.

815

: 00:39:27

Like if a woman is hearing this

and she's on the pill and she's

816

: 00:39:30

like, this is what I needed.

817

: 00:39:31

I'm going to get off.

818

: 00:39:32

What is some advice that you

could give her, or what could

819

: 00:39:35

she consider or prepare for?

820

: 00:39:37

Um, just in general, but then also any

advice you have for maybe the woman who

821

: 00:39:42

you were, you were describing that like.

822

: 00:39:44

Periods are so debilitating and it's

like she is just preparing for war

823

: 00:39:49

basically to, to get off the pill.

824

: 00:39:51

Like what kind of advice and encouragement

could you give to her as well?

825

: 00:39:54

squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Yeah, absolutely.

826

: 00:39:55

So definitely seeking out a new

doctor because, I used to say,

827

: 00:40:00

you know, go back to your doctor

and ask for something different.

828

: 00:40:03

But in all honesty, that's not gonna

be super helpful because they've

829

: 00:40:06

probably given you the pill because they

have no other tool in their toolbox.

830

: 00:40:10

And, and honestly, I, I really.

831

: 00:40:13

I really try hard to not demonize

these doctors because this is what

832

: 00:40:16

they're taught in medical school.

833

: 00:40:17

It's the medical schools that

need a huge, revision, right?

834

: 00:40:20

But these doctors, this

is what they're given.

835

: 00:40:23

This is the tool in their

toolbox for everything.

836

: 00:40:25

So if you were to go back to your

original doctor that prescribed you that

837

: 00:40:28

drug, they're probably not gonna have

a whole lot of other options for you.

838

: 00:40:31

So I recommend.

839

: 00:40:33

First thing hands down

is finding a new doctor.

840

: 00:40:36

And so you can look up those, those

kind of three that I mentioned.

841

: 00:40:39

Na Pro technology, fem or neo fertility.

842

: 00:40:42

Those are the three places that are

really, really good places to start.

843

: 00:40:46

And on every one of their websites, they

have directories of doctors and you can

844

: 00:40:50

put in your state or wherever you live,

and there will be a doctor listed that is.

845

: 00:40:55

licensed to practice in your state?

846

: 00:40:58

A lot of them, just depending on where you

live, it's kind of few and far between.

847

: 00:41:02

So it'll probably start

out with telehealth.

848

: 00:41:05

I would just imagine.

849

: 00:41:07

Depe.

850

: 00:41:07

Well, unless you're really lucky to

live somewhere where you're close

851

: 00:41:10

to an in-person, in-person clinic.

852

: 00:41:12

But telehealth is a really good

option for this, even to just get

853

: 00:41:15

started talking with somebody and

just getting another opinion, getting

854

: 00:41:19

somebody else who can speak more

clearly into your specific situations.

855

: 00:41:24

So yeah, so going on any of those

directories, um, another good website

856

: 00:41:28

to go to is natural womanhood.org.

857

: 00:41:31

Maybe Marie, I can send you

all of these links and maybe

858

: 00:41:33

you can put 'em in the show

859

: 00:41:35

mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

That would be great.

860

: 00:41:35

Yep.

861

: 00:41:36

squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

Yeah, Easy.

862

: 00:41:37

Yes, I can do that.

863

: 00:41:38

Uh, but natural womanhood

is another good place.

864

: 00:41:41

They have a directory on their website

too with a ton of different doctors.

865

: 00:41:44

So finding a doctor that's trained in

any form of restorative reproductive

866

: 00:41:48

medicine is gonna be good.

867

: 00:41:50

A good start.

868

: 00:41:51

Now, another start to just

something you can kind of do

869

: 00:41:54

while in the waiting time of.

870

: 00:41:56

Between now and whenever you see that

doctor is, you can start charting

871

: 00:41:59

your cycle because by charting your

cycle, that gives you a lot of good

872

: 00:42:03

data to hand over to the doctor

and say, this is what is going on.

873

: 00:42:08

Right?

874

: 00:42:08

And know, this is data.

875

: 00:42:10

This is data that the

doctor's going to want to see.

876

: 00:42:13

So.

877

: 00:42:14

you're just starting out like

you don't know what me what,

878

: 00:42:17

what is a method of NFP?

879

: 00:42:19

You have?

880

: 00:42:19

You have, are totally starting out.

881

: 00:42:21

What I usually recommend to do is

to download the fem app, so FEMM,

882

: 00:42:26

that's one of the sort of reproductive

providers that I mentioned.

883

: 00:42:30

They have a phenomenal app and it's very

user friendly and you can just start

884

: 00:42:35

by charting when you have your period.

885

: 00:42:38

There's also teaching things on their

website where they will teach you

886

: 00:42:42

ways in which to observe your cervical

fluid to start looking for those other

887

: 00:42:47

signs, and you can just start kind

of getting some practice at that.

888

: 00:42:50

Now, one caveat I have to, this always

is, I'm really speaking to the woman

889

: 00:42:55

right now who is not necessarily

concerned about family planning.

890

: 00:42:59

She's just trying to get off the pill.

891

: 00:43:01

She's just trying to

find something different.

892

: 00:43:04

To help her with her health.

893

: 00:43:06

Right.

894

: 00:43:06

And so if you are concerned about family

planning too, and you're wanting to

895

: 00:43:10

still try to prevent pregnancy, 'cause

a lot of women are in that position too.

896

: 00:43:14

If they've been on the pill, a lot

of them were on the pill because

897

: 00:43:17

they didn't wanna have a baby.

898

: 00:43:19

if you're in that position, I

always 110% recommend learning

899

: 00:43:24

how to chart with an instructor.

900

: 00:43:27

That is very, very important to

make sure that you're using the

901

: 00:43:30

method correctly, that you're.

902

: 00:43:32

I correctly identifying what

days are fertile, what days

903

: 00:43:35

are infertile and so on.

904

: 00:43:36

So if that's a concern as

well, find an instructor.

905

: 00:43:39

But Femme is a great app to download.

906

: 00:43:42

Just to kind of get you started, um,

I teach Creighton Creighton's a little

907

: 00:43:46

bit of a higher barrier to entry.

908

: 00:43:48

Um, but you could always go to

my website, truth infertility.com

909

: 00:43:51

and you can sign up for an intro with me.

910

: 00:43:53

It's completely virtual, that's

another way to go about that.

911

: 00:43:57

Um, Neo Fertility also has

their own charting app.

912

: 00:44:00

I believe it's called Chart Neo.

913

: 00:44:02

Yeah, chart Neo.

914

: 00:44:03

And that's another good place to start.

915

: 00:44:04

So the, we're in the, the age of apps,

so if you wanna download an app, those

916

: 00:44:09

are literally the only two that I

really recommend is fem or chart Neo.

917

: 00:44:14

Um, and so that's kind

of a good starting point.

918

: 00:44:19

So get in with a good doctor.

919

: 00:44:20

Get, even if it's just.

920

: 00:44:23

Find someone that practices in your

state and just start, just start.

921

: 00:44:29

Just get an, get an appointment.

922

: 00:44:31

Just start and then that ball

will continue to roll from there.

923

: 00:44:35

So yeah, those are, those are some

good starting, starting places.

924

: 00:44:38

And you don't have to be at this.

925

: 00:44:42

You don't have to be super, super,

super knowledgeable about any of this.

926

: 00:44:45

It is literally.

927

: 00:44:47

the app, start charting when your

period happens and make an appointment.

928

: 00:44:50

Like that is the three things

that you need to do right

929

: 00:44:52

now and then go from there.

930

: 00:44:54

The ball will get rolling

from there, I promise.

931

: 00:44:56

So

932

: 00:44:58

some

933

: 00:44:58

mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613: Perfect.

934

: 00:44:59

squadcaster-7dca_1_04-27-2026_102613:

to start.

935

: 00:44:59

mari-wagner-_1_04-27-2026_112613:

That's your homework.

936

: 00:45:00

I love it.

937

: 00:45:01

And these fertility clinics, these

pro-life clinics that are focused

938

: 00:45:04

on teaching people how to chart and

reproductive medicine and all that,

939

: 00:45:08

they get filled up pretty quick.

940

: 00:45:09

So like I love saying like, just call

and just get your first one on the

941

: 00:45:14

calendar because it might be a couple

months before they can get you in.

942

: 00:45:19

Okay, let's shift the

conversation a little bit.

943

: 00:45:21

I know that there is a demographic

of women who are listening who are

944

: 00:45:25

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