Bitcoin Beats: Empowering Musicians in the Digital Age"

Join us for an inspiring conversation with Violetta as she shares her journey in merging music with Bitcoin and the path to artist sovereignty. She discusses how Bitcoin's ethos of financial freedom and control resonates with her desire to maintain ownership of her music. Violetta's dissatisfaction with the traditional, centralized music industry led her to explore blockchain technology and NFTs on the Ethereum network. Eventually, she discovered the value of preserving music on the Bitcoin blockchain due to its superior security and immutability. The conversation also delves into Bitcoin Ordinals, the 'NFTs of Bitcoin', as well as platforms like Wavlake for musicians. Toward the end, Violetta gives advice to those looking to follow in her footsteps, emphasizing the importance of building a community and considering the cost of putting music on Bitcoin's blockchain.

00:07 Introduction to the Artist's Journey

00:36 Announcement: Orange Hatter Retreat

01:28 Guest Introduction and Discussion on Music and Art

01:58 Violetta's Personal Background and Journey into Music

02:56 Exploring Violetta's Family Influence on Her Art

06:21 Violetta's Experience with X-Factor and the Music Industry

18:07 The Reality of the Music Industry and Streaming Platforms

24:11 Building a Passionate Community as a Musician

26:02 The Dilemma of Privacy and Artistry

26:43 The Power of Choice in Artistic Expression

27:20 The Traditional Music Industry vs. Artist Sovereignty

28:38 The Journey to Bitcoin and NFTs

29:48 The Power of Smart Contracts and NFTs

32:31 The Impact of Bitcoin on Artistic Freedom

32:46 The Intricacies of Selling Music on Bitcoin

32:53 The Role of Copyright in the Music Industry

38:21 The Power of Ownership in Music

40:52 The Journey to Bitcoin and NFTs Revisited

44:32 The Challenges and Rewards of Being a Bitcoin Artist

45:52 The Role of Community in Music and Bitcoin

48:57 The Future of Music in the Bitcoin Era

52:16 Final Thoughts and Reflections

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Art brought me to Bitcoin and the possibilities that

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it offers to artists to be not only

creatively free, but financially

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free as well and in control.

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The music industry is monopolized

by the streaming platforms.

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At the moment everyone's using Spotify

to prove their value to other people.

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Look how many streams I have.

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Look how many listeners I have.

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If Spotify were to disappear

tomorrow, all that will be gone

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and you would be worth nothing.

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And your songs have never existed.

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Tali: Hey everybody.

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Welcome to Orange Hatter.

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I've got a very exciting

announcement to make today.

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The website for the Orange Hatter retreat

is up and registration is now open.

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We're offering a 21% discount for anyone

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We did have to move their

retreat up by one day.

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So it will run from March

16th through the 20th.

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In Merida, Yucatan, Mexico.

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This is in partnership

with project Yucatan.

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It's going to be an amazing five days

of recharge, restoration and deep

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connections with women Bitcoiners.

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It will be an absolutely incredible

chance to meet like-minded women and form

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friendships that will last a lifetime.

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Please go to the website,

www.orangehatter.com/yucatan.

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And I will see you in Mexico.

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And now onto our very wonderful guest.

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Enjoy

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,

Welcome to Orange Hatter.

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Very, very excited to have you here.

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, can't wait to dive into your story.

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We're going to talk a lot about,

, music and art, preserving it on

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the blockchain, a subject I think a

lot of people are somewhat confused

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about, so, so excited to have you

here to share your experience with us.

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Welcome to Orange Hatter.

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Violetta: Thank you so much for having me.

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I'm excited to be here.

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Tali: Cool.

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So let's start by, , just sharing a little

bit about yourself with our audience.

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Violetta: Yeah.

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, my name is Violeta.

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, I'm from Italy.

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So born and raised in Italy, moved

around Europe for a few years.

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Ended up in Nashville.

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That's where I live now.

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, I'm a musician full time professional.

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, music artists, I'm a singer songwriter.

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Meaning, I make a living, just

writing songs and singing them,

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recording them, performing and

selling my music ultimately.

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, and I've been doing that for 10 years.

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, I started when I was 18,

my professional journey.

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, And yeah, I, I guess that's, that's it.

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I grew up in a very artistic family, very

non, like financially interested family.

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My family is not very interested in.

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Finances or anything like that.

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They're just kind of very creative

and, , very supportive of me and my

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sister's journey and the arts and.

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Yeah, I, I'm just , always looking

for new ways to put out music.

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Yeah.

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Tali: So you said your family's

artistic, are they all musicians?

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Violetta: In fact, no, but

they are creative in many ways.

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, my sister's a movie editor.

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She edits edits, film for living.

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my mom doesn't have a creative job, but

she is a creative, very creative person,

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like business-wise and like just ideas.

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She has an idea person.

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So very valuable to me, you know,

for, uh, entrepreneurial life.

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and my dad's Disney artist.

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So he draws comics for Disney.

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Tali: How fun is that?

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Violetta: Yeah.

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Tali: So what kind of projects

has he been involved in?

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Violetta: Mostly?

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, well, we have this comic book in

Italy called Mickey mouse that

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actually comes out every week for.

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80 years, I think since like 80 years ago.

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Yeah.

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And he grew up reading it.

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I was passionate about

it, learned how to draw.

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It ended up working for this

publication comes out every week.

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So that's what he's been doing

for the last 30 plus years.

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Uh, yeah.

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Tali: Wow.

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Does he make the drawings by hand still?

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Violetta: it's all of it by hand

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Tali: all of it by hand.

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So I've seen films where in the

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are sketching out Mickey mouse and

they have 10 pages of Mickey mouse.

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They're sketching just with each

frame a little bit different.

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So he's still doing that by hand.

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Violetta: Yes.

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And it's not quite, I think those that

you've seen are how you build, how

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you create cartoon, like animated.

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yeah, you literally draw each frame and

then scroll through them really fast.

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What my dad does is really just

like a comic book ? So pages simply

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that you turn, but yes, it's all by

hand, and the process really fun.

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He does the drawing with a pencil.

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And then there's someone else in charge

of inking the borders and there's

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someone else in charge of coloring.

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and my dad does the drawing and writes.

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the script for the different stories.

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Yeah.

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Tali: Where does he get

his inspiration from.

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Because that's a lot of pressure.

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That's all.

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Creative output.

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Violetta: It is.

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I mean, where do artists

get their inspiration?

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I don't know.

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I just think they have something

to express and that's the

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only way they can express it.

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You know, I think the inner

child is the, always there.

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he's very passionate about

stories and yeah, just there.

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Bright imagination

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Tali: So you grew up

watching him create his work.

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Did he work from home?

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Violetta: Yes.

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He worked from home.

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Tali: So you got to see.

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How he worked.

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What did you think?

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What did, did you think that your

dad was like a super, super cool.

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Violetta: I guess it was

normal for me growing up.

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My dad drew.

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And that's what he did.

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And I thought it was cool of

course, because he could draw me

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and my mom and my sister, like

caricatures, it was always fun.

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And.

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We go to comic fairs with him and

see other artists that he was friends

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with and it was fun to be involved.

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And that , comic world.

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I'm very, also, it's kind of

close to the video game world

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to it's kind of connected.

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But my dad's very on the organic,

like grassroots, just drawing

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with a pencil, very that.

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So I thought, but he changed,

he did a few other things.

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He's also a musician, , not, not

professionally, but he plays music.

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That's kind of, who really

pushed me to get into music.

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It was him.

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Tali: Let's talk about that, when

did you start playing music and

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how did you get introduced to it?

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Violetta: Yeah.

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I mean, I was very young.

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I was about three years old and my dad.

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Was playing guitar at home , Just

playing around, jamming.

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And he would jam with me and

my sister, , we were little

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kids and we would sing songs.

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Right.

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And that's when he noticed

I had a good pitch.

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My tone was, was right

for a three-year-old.

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Okay.

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She could sing.

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And so they found the children's

choir and that's where I went.

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I attended that for a couple of years.

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And when I was five, I

started taking piano lessons.

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and then was pushed

relentlessly by my parents.

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Like really, to take 11 years of

piano, classical training and.

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Yeah, they really didn't

give me much of a choice.

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Yeah.

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At the time, you know, they would

say, okay, well, if you don't

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want to do it, you can quit.

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But then when your parents give you an

ultimatum like that, And you're like,

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oh no, I'm going to let them down.

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Like you don't want to quit.

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So, but I'm grateful at the time.

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I kind of hated it because

obviously they were forcing me.

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But I'm gratefully forced to me

because now it's my full-time job.

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And, you know, Yeah, I'm really happy.

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Tali: When my kids were little.

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I took them to a concert

by the five Browns.

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And there was five siblings in

the same family and they all

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went to Juilliard for classical.

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Oh my God.

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And the reason I brought them there

was because I really wanted to inspire

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my kids to love music and play.

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Cause I, I brought them to Suzuki

piano and things like that.

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But none of them really went into it.

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Yeah.

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But I, I try to push

them with a piano thing.

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It didn't work.

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So tell me about what

it was like, like Mo.

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It gives me more details.

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For 11 years, you were pushed

by your parents to play piano.

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What was that like?

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Violetta: They would just,

they would put pressure on me.

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This is how I grew up.

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and I don't know if it's, if it works

for every kid, but it worked for me.

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I, I am very productive

when I'm given tough love.

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So it's You're going to do that.

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And I'm like, no.

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And they're like, oh,

then you may as well just.

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Do something else entirely

because you're not worth this.

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That works for me.

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That incentivizes me.

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I'm I'm not saying it

as good for everybody.

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But for me, it's what, a lot of the times

in my life, when I was almost challenged.

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To quit, cause.

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It was like, I can't do this.

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Yeah.

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And then I would see like, like someone

that I know loves me and I know how's,

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my back is telling me, I believe in you.

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You can do this.

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And if you don't, well, I guess you're

not so strong after all that works for me.

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If someone believes in me more

than I do believe in myself.

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That's inspiring to me.

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So that's how my parents

would approach it.

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They really understood what I, the

kind of direction that I needed.

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So they did.

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And I had a few teachers study

classical music in the meantime.

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I realized that I wasn't very

prone to follow, like to study.

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In the traditional way.

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, like my ears valley.

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Very developed.

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So I would list here songs and

TV and then, learn them by

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ear, without reading music.

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That's how I approach things now.

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I remember watching back

to the future of the movie.

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, and seeing Marty McFly, like

shredding the guitar on the stage.

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And that's what inspired

me to pick up the guitar.

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It's just saying, oh my

God, I want to be like that.

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So, yeah.

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, Tali: how many hours a day

did you have to practice?

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Violetta: Not much, one hour and a

half or so every day for six year old is

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like,, No, I didn't like it very much.

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But I'm so glad I did because it

just really shaped my foundation.

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As a musician.

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Now I can understand music very

well, just by listening to it.

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, and starting when you're young, I'm

not saying it's necessary, but it helps

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developing this musical brain that you,

that you have and you agenda, you're

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going to just have it with you forever.

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So, yeah.

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Tali: What genre do you play in though?

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You mentioned it was jazz and

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Violetta: kind of it's like this mellow

jazzy kind of send your songwriter

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live, or you kind of chill music.

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Tali: How did you find

your pointed passion about.

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when you were studying classical.

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Violetta: I didn't find it honestly until.

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Somewhat recently compared how

many years I've been doing music.

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, I guess when I was in my teens, that's

when I started developing my genre.

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But I went through so

much, , people telling me what

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they thought I should sound like.

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, the music industry is very much like that.

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And, you know, this is kind of a Genesis

of why I'm here, you know, and Bitcoin.

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Community talking about this stuff,

because it started very early in my

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teens when everyone started chiming

in like, oh no, you should sound like

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this and you should sound like that.

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And this is a strategy you should take.

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And.

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And you know who you are, you know, You

know who you are from the beginning,

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but maybe you're too young to be

able to write it down or act on it.

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But you have a feeling.

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But you're also, I also felt

like I should listen to people

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that perhaps, knew more than me.

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And so for many years, I would

say for like eight or nine

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years, I was very confused.

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, And I always had an intuition,

but people around me in the music

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industry, managers, label people,

, booking agents, people to book your

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shows, they all want to have a say.

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And it I've come to the conclusion that

it's not really because they really

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believe that's how you should be in

how you're going to be successful.

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But it's because that's

what they're familiar with.

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Because probably they don't know

how to work with you otherwise.

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So they . It's them not really

knowing how to do their job.

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. So they try to direct you

to what they can handle.

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. That's the conclusion I've come to.

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And I was signed to a

major label when I was 18.

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Which was really, hard impact into

the crazy centralized corrupt industry.

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. That it is.

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. That was 10 years ago, my path started.

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Tali: what were you doing that got their attention?

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That they started to want to mold you in

a direction that they wanted to take you.

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Violetta: Yeah, I did, um, X-Factor

in Italy, I did a talent show.

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On TV.

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I, I sang a song and I played

a ukulele on the stage at the

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auditions that I got four yeses.

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And then I went, passed

every round of audition.

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Every round of the live

show got to the final.

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Third.

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And then they offered me a deal.

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Tali: What was your family's reaction when

you said I want to go on the X factor?

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Violetta: They said, hell yeah.

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Tali: Yeah.

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Violetta: My dad came

with me to the audition.

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. And w they were all super excited for it.

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You know, I was 18.

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I was still in school.

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, but they said, yeah, absolutely.

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And they follow the whole journey.

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You know, you're I was on TV in

front of like millions of people.

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And so it was really cool.

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Tali: Did you sing a song

that you wrote yourself?

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Violetta: No, I couldn't

that wasn't not allowed.

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So there's another thing.

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Tali: What did you, what did you sing.

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Violetta: I sang, , the covers

, different things, during the

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auditions, you know, I could pick,

I could sort of pick my songs, but

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they were like almost forced you

to sing whatever they had in there.

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Catalog of songs that

they could show on TV.

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And then doing it.

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Copyrights stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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, and then during the live shows you

literally had no say you had to

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Tali: really?

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Violetta: Yeah.

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Okay.

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Tali: I thought they were.

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I hear a lot of people say , oh,

your choice of song is so important.

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And.

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Violetta: No, maybe other

shows, but not X-Factor.

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They decide for you.

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It's all scripted.

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Yeah.

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Tali: So what songs did you actually sing?

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Violetta: Oh, God, I sing.

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Um, I remember I sang a U2.

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, one.

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That song , from U2.

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Is it good?

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Yeah.

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I say Friday, I'm in love by the cure.

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I sang

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I mean really mostly they were

picking songs that were trending

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at that moment, on the radio.

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Tali: Really?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So it wasn't what you connected with.

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It.

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Wasn't a story that you wanted to tell.

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It was just literally a show.

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Yep.

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And you were just one of

the pawns on the show.

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Violetta: Absolutely.

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You'd have to sign a

contract before you start.

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, Because you're also isolated from

the world for two months, you're in

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this house kind of like this one.

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Yeah, no phone, no internet.

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You can't talk to your family

or anybody for two months.

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You have cameras all

around you all the time.

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. It's like your reality

show and you can't leave.

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There's a guy at the door.

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Bulky guy.

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You've signed the contract, that if

you leave, you have to pay $70,000.

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Yeah.

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So.

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And I was 18.

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I didn't know what I signed.

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I didn't know what I was doing.

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And even afterwards when the show ended.

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The record, a record label,

A major record label.

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I use, I always named it's Sony music.

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I can.

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I don't care.

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They offered me a deal.

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A record deal.

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And it's the kind of deal that's

called 360 degrees deal, which means.

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Normally, they give you

an advance of money.

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And then you don't make any money

until they've recouped the advance

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through the work that you do.

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Right.

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I signed a deal like that

without the money advance.

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Meaning, they would take up

to 95% of everything I did.

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But there was nothing to recoup.

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From their side.

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And I didn't know what I, what I signed.

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They got me into their office.

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They didn't.

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Advise me to consult with a lawyer.

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They just say, we want to offer

you a record deal for five albums.

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Over the next five years and

we're going to blow you up.

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And I said, hell yeah.

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Tali: And they were going to take 95% of,

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Violetta: I didn't even read.

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I didn't read it.

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I didn't know anything.

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And these like 50 year old men.

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And the office, you know, with

an 18 and a half year old girl.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Cause I was of age.

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You know your parents, right?

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So, okay.

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I just signed it and then I

realized later on what I'd done.

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But it's fine because I was so

young, and it's better to do

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those things when you're young.

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Tali: Yeah.

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It's a learning experience.

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Yeah.

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What were the other people like in

the house that you are trapped in?

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Violetta: They were crazy.

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No, they were just musicians like

myself, people that, , maybe they were

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not famous, they were not professional

perhaps, or some of them were, but

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maybe they do like weddings or, like

paid gigs, cover gigs and stuff.

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yeah, They're just regular people,

of course artists can be a little.

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A little crazy sometimes,

but, uh, it was fun.

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It was a great experience, you know?

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Tali: So you signed this crazy

five-year five album deal.

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Are you still bind to that?

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Violetta: No, no, I was, I was in

it for two years and then I realized

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they had actually breached something.

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The, uh, the contract said,

we have to release five albums

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within this period of time.

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They didn't even release one.

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So it was on them really,

because I had delivered an album

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and they didn't release it.

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And so I went up to them by myself.

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I said, guys, I don't

think this is working out.

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Can we just.

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Part ways peacefully.

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And they said, okay, and so I moved on.

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Tali: Were you able to

take your album with you?

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Violetta: I was they sold back

the master to me, so, okay.

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Yeah.

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So that's good.

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Tali: That's so interesting that, that

whole business model with the X factor

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Violetta: it's stupid, the whole

business model in the music industry is

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like a really terrible predatory loan.

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Imagine if a bank right, gives you a

mortgage, you're not gonna not make

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money until you've paid it back.

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You're going to go.

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Hey, little by little, right, right.

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But you have to live right.

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With the label is different.

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They give you a loan.

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And you're not allowed to make any money

until they've until you've paid it off.

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Right.

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So imagine they give you

half a million dollars.

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Which is impossible to make.

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nowadays music industry is really hard.

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What are you going to do?

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Like literally they're gonna, you

know, Spend some of that money

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for your promotion, et cetera.

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What if it doesn't work?

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What if it doesn't work out?

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And then I'm going to give

you half of that to live.

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You can live off of that.

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You'd be for a year to

buy a house, whatever.

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Yeah, but they're never going to

make that money back and in the meat,

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and then you can't make any money.

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Yeah, all the money that you

generate goes back to them.

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Right.

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And so, so many artists just.

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end up, you know, being

poor, being broken.

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Not knowing what they've gotten themselves

into, um, because the industry makers.

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Keep them out of the conversations,

including managers, men, music

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managers are not involved.

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It's not them.

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It's not their name.

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So they do, what's beneficial to them.

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So you really can't trust anyone.

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Tali: So the musicians

are really being exploited

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Violetta: a hundred percent

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Tali: in this industry,

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Violetta: a hundred percent.

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Tali: Why do.

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Do you say musicians can't make money?

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Can't make half a million dollar season.

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You see all these big

stars, living up the big life

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Violetta: you see them for sure.

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but those are.

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0.1% of the musicians in the world.

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, There are.

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Hundreds of millions of really talented

musicians out there, that is really

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hard for them to build communities.

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Perhaps that are smaller, but better.

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Because, , the music industry is

monopolized by the streaming platforms.

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So if you're don't have a presence

over there, Then you're basically.

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Irrelevant in the bigger picture.

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Uh, and if you have a presence over

there, You're not really making that

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much money because not many people know.

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But every stream on Spotify.

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equals 3 cents of a dollar.

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So if you have a million streams,

you're only making $3,000.

474

Some cities you can't

even pay one month rent.

475

. And it's a million streams.

476

How much time does it take

to get a million people?

477

Just listen to your song, right?

478

So Snoop dog came out with

an article the other day.

479

He had a billion streams and

made $45,000 a billion streams.

480

Because everyone's taking a piece of the

pie and it's just like, it's really hard.

481

Even for people like him,

who's he doesn't need money.

482

He's big.

483

He's putting his, you know . But it's,

he's one of the few that speaking up

484

about this, And so yeah, musicians are

exploited by everyone and they would

485

rather have fame than wealth, or , just

be able to survive off of your music.

486

They'd rather millions of people

listen to your song and you make zero.

487

Then a thousand people listen to your

songs and you making a good living.

488

It's.

489

Okay.

490

Tali: So is that a choice?

491

Is that just a strategic

choice for musicians?

492

For the sake of art?

493

Violetta: I think it's kind

of, for the sake of ego.

494

To be honest.

495

And I, it, this is a hot take,

but , in my opinion, if you're an

496

artist you shouldn't really care.

497

if what makes you happy is making

your art for a living, That

498

should be satisfying to you.

499

It's not about how many people see

this, but can I make my art for a

500

living and not do anything else?

501

Yeah.

502

Then you're successful.

503

Not like the vanity metric.

504

10 million people listen to.

505

So it is a choice, but at

the same time, it's become the

506

standard of the music industry.

507

Anyone will tell you if you don't have

a million Spotify listeners or a million

508

TikTok followers you're irrelevant.

509

And musicians don't have any

education around the alternative ways.

510

That you have to actually make a

living and connect better with the

511

people that appreciate what you do.

512

cause the gatekeepers.

513

You know,

514

Tali: so you're talking

about mass distribution.

515

What about a live gigs?

516

Because I, my kids tell me, I don't know,

my kids is telling me that musicians

517

nowadays must make their living doing

live gigs because the streamings on the

518

platform are only for the purpose of

letting people know that you exist so

519

that they will come to your live gigs.

520

Violetta: They're correct.

521

They are correct.

522

Yeah.

523

Very accurate.

524

, And that's what I did, , until

a couple of years ago.

525

, made my living through performing,

which when you think about it, it's

526

kind of a paradox that what you really

spend a lot of money on is, and a lot

527

of time on is producing your music.

528

Like your product is your

music, and that's the very

529

thing you give away for free.

530

Right.

531

And then you physically

have to go to places.

532

In the era of the internet, you

physically have to go to places.

533

When it could be so easy

that you sell a music online.

534

You have to go to

places, exhaust yourself.

535

You know, and, um, and perform, and

then that could be taken away any day.

536

COVID pandemic.

537

What happened?

538

I was jobless, I had to get government

help because I couldn't pay my rent.

539

Yeah.

540

, and so they are right, but.

541

It's wrong.

542

I believe it's a wrong principle

that your product is what it's like.

543

If you go to a grocery store.

544

. And you can get anything

in the store for free.

545

. But then.

546

Then they're going to try sell you.

547

, Kroger t-shirt.

548

You're way out.

549

Right.

550

You know?

551

But you can get your, your lettuce.

552

You can get your produce for free.

553

But we're going to try convince you

to buy a t-shirt on the way out.

554

Right.

555

Makes no sense, you know,

556

Tali: you're right.

557

That's a good visual.

558

Violetta: So people tell musicians

you're not going to make money

559

from, from your music, but you

can make money from your merch.

560

I'm like product is my

music, not a t-shirt.

561

Tali: If you build a small community

of passionate followers who really

562

identify with the message in your

music and the stories that you share.

563

Is that part of the joy that

a musician would be able to

564

take advantage of monetarily.

565

Violetta: Yes.

566

I mean, absolutely.

567

that's kind of my situation right now.

568

, I built a much smaller community,

but it's very passionate.

569

. So when they say 1000 true fans, you know,

that theory it is active actually real.

570

, that's what I have 1000 true

fans, 1,400 to be accurate.

571

Who connect deeply with what I

do and the journey I'm on and not

572

necessarily just the music itself.

573

But the way they support

me is they buy my music.

574

And I reward them for supporting

me that way, by being available

575

to them and spending time with

them and giving them access to my

576

process and my live shows for free.

577

So I've flipped it.

578

I sell my music.

579

And then they can have deeper access if

they decide to, to support me in that way.

580

I prefer doing that.

581

That's what I spend money on

producing the music, writing the

582

music time, you know, all that stuff

is what I want to be the product.

583

Tali: One of my kids had acting job.

584

She was a minor.

585

I had to be on set with her.

586

A lot of people see actors

almost as a free access to the

587

entire life their entire person.

588

So their crafts, when you're acting

the craft is the piece of performance

589

that you put out there, right?

590

Like a movie or show or whatever.

591

But for whatever reason, In the

public eye, they should have

592

access to you as a person as well.

593

All of you, your relationship or

what you're doing personally, your

594

personal beliefs philosophies, your

political leanings, all of that.

595

At least like.

596

In my mind, Looking at it from the outside

and also has a parent of minor actor.

597

I felt that that was exceptionally unfair.

598

I didn't want her her performance

to give access to everybody.

599

To her, all of herself, because I

believe that part remain private.

600

So, but what you're saying

is almost the opposite.

601

Your art is the music and you then

opened up yourself, all of yourself

602

to your audience as a way of building

the community and the relationship.

603

Violetta: Yeah.

604

Yeah, I understand what you're saying.

605

The reason why I'm saying this, like

the opposite is because that's up to me.

606

Whether I want to open up to my audience

is up to me and I don't have to,

607

because I've already sold my product.

608

Right.

609

So that's the product that goes

without like, there's no terms

610

and conditions on that unit.

611

You sell it, you.

612

The person owns it and the deal is done.

613

The exchange has happened.

614

, and then whatever, however I want to

interact with my audience is up to me.

615

That's what I call artists

sovereignty, artists decentralization.

616

So that you own, you

have the right to choose.

617

Whereas in the traditional music industry,

your product is given out for free.

618

And what eventually you're

going to sell is access to you.

619

so like follow me on Tik TOK while I cook.

620

Watch my entire life unravel.

621

Be in my life reality TV show.

622

So you become the product.

623

Whereas I want my music to be the product

and I wanted it to be up to me how

624

much I want to open up to my audience.

625

So that's also another big thing.

626

You know, cause when

labels used to tell me.

627

Build your TikTok numbers On

TikTok nobody cares about my music.

628

They want to watch me do my makeup.

629

They want to watch me cook Italian food.

630

They want to watch me pet my cat

and that's all private stuff.

631

Right.

632

I want to choose whether

I want to share it or not.

633

Whereas my music is meant to be shared.

634

. Tali: So I love that.

635

I.

636

The mentality when I was talking to

those actors, their response to me

637

was, yeah, it comes with the industry.

638

It's like, they are just victim

to the standards of the industry.

639

And my daughter eventually

decided it wasn't something

640

that she wanted to be a part of.

641

So she pulled back.

642

So that was the end of that,

but I love what you're saying.

643

And I feel like we, this is a really

great segue into the whole idea of

644

Bitcoin decentralize the system.

645

So let's dive into that.

646

How did you come across Bitcoin?

647

And what was your first reaction?

648

Violetta: Yeah.

649

Uh, well, obviously I've been an

advocate for this kind of self

650

sovereignty independence from an artist

standpoint for the last 10 years.

651

Since I had that encounter with the label.

652

I was like, something's off, how

is a group of men deciding for me?

653

So that was kind of the

Genesis of that mentality.

654

, But practically how I encounter

Bitcoin, to be honest I got into NFTs.

655

Ehterum, blockchain NFTs.

656

A couple of years ago, because

I was looking for an alternative

657

way to proliferate my music.

658

Put it on a ledger that I could

control and find a community that

659

I could communicate with directly.

660

So that's how I find Etherum and NFTs.

661

I put out almost 10,000 music NFTs

and sold and built a community.

662

It's about 10 songs, about a

thousand copies for each song.

663

It's a very complex structure, but

664

Tali: You get to decide how many

copies of each song you distribute.

665

Violetta: And sell them individually.

666

Each copy.

667

Tali: How does that work?

668

Violetta: You create with

through smart contracts.

669

And I know this is about Bitcoin,

so I don't want to like delve

670

too much into Etherum, but yeah.

671

It's kind of what led me to Bitcoin

in the end, which, you know, Yeah,

672

smart contracts allow you to create a

specific amount of tokens, non fungible

673

tokens that you can link metadata to.

674

Uh, and it can be songs

or media or whatever.

675

And you can create as many as you

want and make them look however you

676

want, and literally determine your

supply, your dilution and your cost.

677

And the properties of this token, , and

create your economy, your record store.

678

And so I was able to do a few collections,

a few albums for total of about 10,000

679

NFTs with a few different songs.

680

,art, my dad participated in the

art for the design and stuff.

681

So.

682

Um, yeah, that's what I did.

683

And.

684

That I did that for a long

time, about a year and a half.

685

And then.

686

About eight months ago.

687

So I'm pretty new, to be honest.

688

But I'm very passionate about it.

689

I heard about Bitcoin.

690

Ordinals.

691

Which.

692

It's kind of the equivalent of NFTs.

693

On Bitcoin.

694

With a few different things about

it that makes it even cooler.

695

When they launched back in

February, you know, it was like,

696

oh, this is NFTs on, on Bitcoin.

697

Why should I do it on Bitcoin?

698

I can do it on Ethereum.

699

Right.

700

But the, the difference really is that.

701

You can put your art on chain, like your

art, your music, whatever can be inscribed

702

on the blockchain and be immutable.

703

You can never change it.

704

So it's going to be preserved forever.

705

Which is not something that is so easy

to do on Ethereum because your art

706

lives off chain and you can mutate

it, which can be something good.

707

Right.

708

It can follow your path, but.

709

There was something about immutability.

710

Um, security as well, because

when you inscribe art on Bitcoin,

711

You're inscribing it on a Satoshi.

712

On a sat which is not coded by anyone.

713

So it's got no security risks.

714

, whereas a NFT, a non fungible token

is coded by literally a programmer

715

who could put anything into it.

716

So you have to audit that before.

717

So for security reasons

is really interesting.

718

So I learned about Bitcoin

ordinals shout out to Casey rod

719

armor who created them back then.

720

Uh, actually today is the

one-year anniversary of ordinals.

721

First ever ordinal was described

December 14th last year.

722

Interesting.

723

Yeah.

724

Super cool.

725

Um, and so I found this and started doing

my research, got me into Bitcoin, realized

726

like everything that goes on around it,

, so I would say art brought me to Bitcoin.

727

. And the possibilities that it offers

to artists to be not only creatively

728

free, but financially free as well.

729

And in control.

730

So here I am.

731

I have to put a song on Bitcoin.

732

It's living up there.

733

Back in June.

734

I did that.

735

.

Tali: So help me understand.

736

If you put a song.

737

On a Bitcoin and its

living forever on chain.

738

Yes.

739

Is that just a way to

secure your copyright?

740

So the other people can't copy it because

it doesn't sound like you can create

741

the tokens that you were talking about.

742

Right.

743

So he can sell individual copies.

744

So what is the benefit other than

security, a copyright for your song?

745

Violetta: Yeah.

746

It's.

747

I mean, some people don't agree

with copyright, some people

748

don't believe in copyright.

749

I'm still kind of in the middle.

750

, cause in a way I feel like.

751

copyright is, is can be sometimes

a way for middlemen to interfere.

752

So, yeah, I've had bad experiences

with copyright protection.

753

But the coin does offer

that kind of protection.

754

So if you're willing to dox yourself and

not be anonymous, you're going to know

755

did that song the first time it appeared

on the internet, it came from my wallet.

756

So that is mine.

757

, I do have.

758

That's traceable, so

provenance, absolutely.

759

. That's a big deal.

760

People are experimenting with.

761

With building copyright.

762

I know that within the Bitcoin community.

763

Yeah.

764

Not everyone cares so much about

copyright and I understand.

765

So.

766

Tali: Well, the notion that the copyright

basically gives you the legal right to

767

pursue someone who's stealing your work.

768

Yeah.

769

But you still need to have the

resources to make that chase.

770

So it protects you in a way, if you have

the resources to go after violators,

771

but otherwise it's just a stand alone

statement, you're just making a statement.

772

So how does that help an artist?

773

other than that you can chase after

violators people who steal it.

774

Violetta: Well, it can't be censored.

775

It can't be taken down by anyone,

which is what decentralization really

776

means for an artist is, you know, at

the moment everyone's using Spotify,

777

they have full control over your music.

778

They.

779

Oh, yeah.

780

Spotify, apple music, mostly

Spotify, because they're the only

781

company that is fully music centric.

782

Whereas apple, of course has all

the products, Amazon as well.

783

Spotify is just music and podcasts.

784

So it's really in their hands.

785

Like everyone's using that platform.

786

To prove their value to other people.

787

Look how many streams I have.

788

Look how many listeners I have.

789

If Spotify were to disappear tomorrow.

790

Yeah.

791

All that will be gone and

you would be worth nothing.

792

And your songs have never existed.

793

If, you know what I mean?

794

It's in their hands entirely.

795

Whereas putting a song on Bitcoin.

796

It's not even in your hands anymore,

it's in the hands of the superior,

797

massive worldwide thing that we all

collaborate and work towards and work for.

798

So you're putting it, it

transcends you as an artist.

799

It transcends music,

institutions and tech companies.

800

It's just there.

801

And it's up to the people that work on

Bitcoin to keep the chain going really.

802

So.

803

Yeah, you are protecting it.

804

For the longest time in

the best way possible.

805

Tali: Okay, but in terms of

monetization, you can't use it

806

the same way that you're using the

NFTs, the way that you've described.

807

Yeah, you can.

808

Yeah, you can tell me about that.

809

Yeah.

810

I'm really confused.

811

Violetta: Oh, yeah, it's exactly the same.

812

Right?

813

So basically what you're doing

is you are tracing your legacy.

814

You're putting the original, mastered the

original copies of your song of your art,

815

whatever on your favorite blockchain.

816

The reason why, uh I heard it from his

mouth came up with a concept that ordinals

817

is because you wanted to make an NFTs.

818

He wanted to protect his art on

chain, but didn't like, Ehterum

819

found bugs within, within it.

820

So found a way to, , categorize

Satoshi's in a, in a non fungible way.

821

So number them.

822

To make them non fungible.

823

They're not just like one sat for one set.

824

Now they have an order and

you can distinguish them.

825

And, , so that, that

makes them rare in itself.

826

So you can ma you can sell them,

you know, I'm going to sell you.

827

The first manuscript of the song, and

I could create 10 copies if I want to on

828

10 different sets and sell it 10 times.

829

Or, uh, whatever it's

like, you're creating.

830

Your vinyl, vinyl record,

but it's on Bitcoin.

831

Tali: So, is it like a placeholder?

832

So you've uploaded your song on there.

833

And then after that you can then create

the different copies to distribute.

834

Violetta: And that's, uh,

that's you can do that.

835

, you can use the parent child recursion.

836

, process.

837

Kind of complex technical.

838

We're not going to get into it.

839

you can do that or you can simply

take 10 different sets, right?

840

10 sets and on each one of them and scribe

the same song or 10 different songs or.

841

And then you just put through

the transaction, right?

842

Got it.

843

Yeah.

844

Okay, so you end up having, you know,

if you want it to do 10,000 NFTs.

845

with 10 different songs and

do a thousand for the same song.

846

You can take 10,000 sets,

and inscribe them all.

847

, with art and music.

848

And

849

Tali: so is it your intention then

that every song you create, you would

850

just have limited distribution so that

it increases the value of the song?

851

Violetta: Yes.

852

Tali: Okay.

853

So only the people who are truly

passionate about your music

854

can get a copy of your song.

855

That's for be able to listen to it.

856

Enjoy every day.

857

Violetta: Yeah.

858

I mean, people can still listen,

obviously, because you can go to the,

859

, marketplaces or indexers or whatever, and

you can listen, but there's a difference

860

between listening and, and owning.

861

, I treat music as art.

862

So you can, you can look at this

sculpture that's hanging in here.

863

But that's not going to really

mean anything unless you own it.

864

You can enjoy it.

865

Look at it.

866

But you can't own it and have all the

benefits that come with owning something.

867

Right.

868

And so I applied the same

thought process to music.

869

You can listen as much as you want.

870

, But it really doesn't mean anything.

871

You can't stop people from

hearing in the internet era.

872

You can't stop people from seeing.

873

Listening, consuming.

874

So owning.

875

Becomes very important.

876

Tali: So, so if I bought a, one of the

copies of the music, Then that gives

877

me access to whatever it comes with it.

878

As you mentioned, maybe

access to your inner circle.

879

, access to you, live events

and things like that.

880

Exclusive events.

881

Violetta: Yeah.

882

You're collecting my art.

883

Right.

884

So think about if you buy a really

expensive piece of art from an artist.

885

Then you also buying it to get

into their inner circle, right?

886

Because you want to be

close to this artist and.

887

, learn their process and have

a relationship with them.

888

So it's very similar.

889

Tali: Can you put a smart contract

on the song that you saw on the sat?

890

That allows you to collect

a portion of the proceeds.

891

If someone were to sell the song and

then someone else was yourself, the song.

892

Violetta: No, no.

893

Yeah, they don't have smart contracts.

894

Okay.

895

Royalty splits are not a thing.

896

on Bitcoin that way, because we don't

have smart contracts that we can.

897

, Program that way.

898

But, you know, that's, I feel like the

two things like Ethereum and Bitcoin,

899

and that sends for media for art.

900

They serve different purposes.

901

Right.

902

So I wouldn't even exclude the one day

I'll have the original master of the song.

903

Preserved stored on Bitcoin.

904

And then, the copies that I

sell to a wider audience with

905

royalty splits, whatever.

906

I'm on, I'm on Etherum because it's

just where, , I can manipulate how

907

I want it based on the situation.

908

Right.

909

I want to split the revenue

with my co-writer, whatever

910

I can do it on a theory.

911

It's just kind of more

flexible in that sense.

912

Got it.

913

Um, Bitcoin is the most safest

way to store and preserve.

914

So, okay.

915

Yeah.

916

Tali: Cool.

917

So you mentioned that you came across.

918

It's a lot.

919

No, no, I I'm so glad that you were

explaining it to me because I was really

920

confused and I see benefits on both sides.

921

Just like you said, it depends

on your situation where you

922

want to take advantage of.

923

And it's just wonderful

that Bitcoin serves a very

924

specific purpose for security.

925

So you mentioned that

when you came to the.

926

You came to Bitcoin because of art.

927

And then you started to learn about

the ethos of the coin, the philosophy

928

and the freedom aspect of the coin.

929

Tell us a little bit more about that.

930

, what did you think, did you know

about those aspects of Bitcoin

931

before you came here for the

purpose of preserving your music?

932

Violetta: I so I'm still learning.

933

So that's my premise.

934

That's why I came here.

935

I'm really like, I want to be part

of the community and learning.

936

In, in depth.

937

I want to be involved in counter.

938

Culture.

939

I want to be involved.

940

In different, differently thinking

people because I've always been that way.

941

So what I really love about the

Bitcoin ethos and the community

942

is that people that don't just

sit back and say, yes, master.

943

They ask questions, and they want

answers and they find solutions.

944

To the questions that are not answered.

945

So, yeah, that's really

what I like about it.

946

And it can be applied to.

947

Finances everyday life art, I've

been that way with art and music.

948

And so finding a group

of like-minded people.

949

That are analyzing and researching how to.

950

Be better, more independent.

951

, that aligns with me, and each one

of us has their own reasons, right?

952

Why they're here and

what they're coming from.

953

But it doesn't matter.

954

All roads lead to.

955

So ultimately, I will.

956

I live in Nashville, which is music

city, and I am not involved at all

957

with the music industry in this city.

958

. I can't find the answers I'm looking

for there because everyone's just

959

complying with the music industry,

the record labels, dominate the city.

960

And it's so cool to me that Nashville

is such a growing Bitcoin hub.

961

Because it's that counterculture

that's developing.

962

And me as a musician, I can come

here and, Be with like-minded people.

963

So.

964

Tali: So are you able to connect

to with other musicians who are not

965

Bitcoiners yet and tell them about

Bitcoin and what is their response?

966

Violetta: It's really hard.

967

Tali: Even coming from this industry

where you're exploited constantly

968

Violetta: really hard.

969

It's it's almost like

the Stockholm syndrome.

970

Situation where you fall in

love with your oppressor.

971

Quite literally.

972

Somehow there's this intimidation, like,

oh, if I don't comply, then I'm going to

973

burn some opportunities for myself and.

974

I've just been through it too

many times where I'm like, oh,

975

any of the opportunities that

were given to me by somebody else?

976

Who told me they could help me.

977

Didn't work and I'm better off finding,

creating opportunity for myself and.

978

At this point, I speak to a record

label people and I quite literally to

979

their face tell them I'm taking your job.

980

We're putting music on my last post on

Instagram is I am now fully independent

981

because my music lives on Bitcoin.

982

And I, nobody can take it down.

983

Nobody.

984

Yeah.

985

Nobody not even the CEO of Spotify.

986

And that's independence, , but they

don't, they don't care that much.

987

It's just sad.

988

Tali: Okay.

989

So you have a Twitter space and

you go on there, you have your

990

jams and And you received support

from people, the community.

991

Are the musicians that are.

992

jamming with all on board with they are.

993

The counter-culture oh, creating music

and, and making a living with music.

994

Violetta: Absolutely.

995

Yeah.

996

The majority of them are, some

of them are not so radical.

997

Like me.

998

I'm very much a maximalist in that sense.

999

Like I've.

00:45:00,546 --> 00:45:03,726

I did a panel, , at an ordinals

event in Miami there now.

00:45:03,756 --> 00:45:07,266

And I explicitly said I'm done

with putting music on Spotify.

00:45:07,266 --> 00:45:07,986

Like that's it.

00:45:08,076 --> 00:45:09,096

I don't do it anymore.

00:45:09,666 --> 00:45:13,446

, So I'm very like all in

and I'm not looking back.

00:45:14,496 --> 00:45:16,086

Not every artist is that way.

00:45:16,356 --> 00:45:19,246

They maybe have one foot in

one foot out, which is fine.

00:45:19,266 --> 00:45:21,436

It's better than not doing it at all.

00:45:21,436 --> 00:45:22,486

And maybe.

00:45:22,816 --> 00:45:23,506

In time.

00:45:23,926 --> 00:45:26,056

They will see the

benefits of being on that.

00:45:26,386 --> 00:45:30,326

I also have to say, it's not easy to be

all in because you have to be out of

00:45:30,326 --> 00:45:34,316

your comfort zone a lot more, I would

say, but I'm happy to , do the research

00:45:34,316 --> 00:45:35,876

as much as I can and then report.

00:45:36,206 --> 00:45:40,916

To my friends and my colleagues

and, test it out for them and see.

00:45:41,786 --> 00:45:43,066

If they can, use it to.

00:45:43,726 --> 00:45:48,196

Tali: So for a brand new musician

who nobody knows hasn't done

00:45:48,226 --> 00:45:52,186

really anything public, and they

want to follow in your footsteps.

00:45:52,376 --> 00:45:55,616

. They want to start on the right foot.

00:45:55,916 --> 00:46:00,896

Go starting this career, building their

business and really living on the art.

00:46:01,196 --> 00:46:02,126

What would you tell them?

00:46:02,126 --> 00:46:03,896

What would their first step have to be.

00:46:06,326 --> 00:46:08,396

Violetta: It's complicated because.

00:46:09,156 --> 00:46:12,846

, I would not tell him to follow

my steps that, , I took 10

00:46:12,846 --> 00:46:14,106

years ago because that was bad.

00:46:14,876 --> 00:46:17,576

, it led me here, so it was good,

but I wouldn't, I wouldn't

00:46:17,576 --> 00:46:18,656

wish that upon anybody.

00:46:19,496 --> 00:46:21,896

So with the technology we have now.

00:46:22,206 --> 00:46:25,506

, I really think that putting

your music, building your legacy

00:46:25,506 --> 00:46:27,366

and your provenance on Bitcoin.

00:46:28,296 --> 00:46:30,426

Is a great way to start.

00:46:30,696 --> 00:46:33,036

We also want to be

respectful of the chain.

00:46:33,516 --> 00:46:37,926

Because it is limited real

estate that you have, right.

00:46:37,926 --> 00:46:39,336

You have limited about SATs.

00:46:39,426 --> 00:46:41,946

So that's another thing

a Bitcoin does to you.

00:46:42,036 --> 00:46:44,106

It helps you think and really reflect.

00:46:44,106 --> 00:46:48,186

You really want to put this up there

because it's, you can't delete it.

00:46:48,576 --> 00:46:51,816

And you're taking up space for other

people and you're raising the fees.

00:46:52,146 --> 00:46:53,766

Oh, right.

00:46:54,216 --> 00:46:55,116

But think about it.

00:46:55,116 --> 00:46:55,776

You know what I mean?

00:46:56,376 --> 00:46:58,806

Which is amazing also because

artists are used to just

00:46:58,806 --> 00:47:00,726

cranking out songs like burgers.

00:47:00,976 --> 00:47:05,326

And McDonald's, and, The idea of really

thinking and cherishing every piece

00:47:05,326 --> 00:47:06,976

of art that you put out is long gone.

00:47:07,126 --> 00:47:10,366

And I feel like that's coming back with

Bitcoin because of all these obstacles.

00:47:10,556 --> 00:47:11,276

. Super cool.

00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:15,650

Tali: I want to ask you about WAVLake

because usually when people think.

00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:17,090

Musicians.

00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:22,460

Bitcoiners automatically they say go

to wave lake because that's a platform

00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:24,740

where musicians can get paid directly.

00:47:24,740 --> 00:47:28,230

So similar to what you're

saying, in this interview.

00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:29,940

So what do you think about Wavlake?

00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:30,900

Violetta: Yeah.

00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:31,730

, good question.

00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,350

I'm not on it yet.

00:47:33,530 --> 00:47:34,340

, I.

00:47:34,465 --> 00:47:37,015

Think we've lake is a great way.

00:47:37,465 --> 00:47:39,055

To maybe get your music.

00:47:39,535 --> 00:47:40,855

Randomly discovered.

00:47:41,485 --> 00:47:43,615

, but you're still using a platform, right?

00:47:43,615 --> 00:47:45,655

So that's, that's something

really important, right?

00:47:45,655 --> 00:47:50,175

When you think about the principles

of Bitcoin is two individuals

00:47:50,205 --> 00:47:52,555

interact directly without the need.

00:47:52,805 --> 00:47:56,525

, have a third party or intermediary

that is centralized, right?

00:47:56,555 --> 00:47:57,665

Bitcoin is decentralized.

00:47:57,665 --> 00:47:57,965

So yeah.

00:47:58,655 --> 00:48:02,885

Platform like wave lake, having a

founders and, , Is somewhat centralized.

00:48:03,055 --> 00:48:06,585

, and so that's something to keep in mind,

you are streaming music for free, and

00:48:06,585 --> 00:48:12,175

if you want, you can send, , . Monea

so really it is it's not centralized

00:48:12,175 --> 00:48:16,175

around the artist, which is just an

option that I want to present to

00:48:16,205 --> 00:48:20,525

potential musicians and people who are

interested in this kind of technology,

00:48:20,575 --> 00:48:22,645

I'm an activist for alternatives.

00:48:22,925 --> 00:48:26,615

, because what happened in, in

the traditional industry is one

00:48:26,615 --> 00:48:28,055

platform takes them monopoly.

00:48:28,445 --> 00:48:31,295

And then there's one person

every once in a while this says,

00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:32,495

well, there's alternatives,

00:48:32,595 --> 00:48:36,205

?

So I appreciate what wave lake does, , that it is helping

00:48:36,205 --> 00:48:38,395

onboarding musicians to Bitcoin.

00:48:38,605 --> 00:48:40,195

So that's amazing.

00:48:40,195 --> 00:48:41,985

And ultimately that's our goal.

00:48:42,265 --> 00:48:46,255

, but I'm also interested in showing

that there are different alternatives

00:48:46,285 --> 00:48:48,085

where the artists can be the platform.

00:48:48,505 --> 00:48:49,825

I'm my own platform.

00:48:50,125 --> 00:48:53,425

I have more responsibilities,

but also, more decision power.

00:48:53,845 --> 00:48:57,325

, and yeah, so that's really

what I, what I think about it.

00:48:57,665 --> 00:49:00,319

, and I think, That's how I go about things.

00:49:00,379 --> 00:49:03,949

I like to be fully said

centralizer on myself.

00:49:04,399 --> 00:49:06,909

And, like I said, I'm a

pretty extreme about this.

00:49:06,939 --> 00:49:11,469

So not every artist wants to have this

kind of burden as well on their shoulders.

00:49:12,009 --> 00:49:12,309

Tali: Yeah.

00:49:12,879 --> 00:49:13,809

That's so true.

00:49:13,850 --> 00:49:16,310

Bitcoin all about peer

to peer transaction.

00:49:16,310 --> 00:49:21,860

And if you have a platform in the middle,

even though it facilitates the exposure

00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:29,870

on both sides, It is still an intermediary

and you want to go all in peer to peer.

00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:34,310

You take on the responsibility

of building out your own platform

00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:38,630

and having full control over

your interaction with your fans,

00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:40,070

Violetta: correct yes.

00:49:40,100 --> 00:49:44,932

When you give power to a third

party whoever it is, you are giving

00:49:44,932 --> 00:49:48,832

up some of your power and the peer

to peer fades out a little bit.

00:49:48,862 --> 00:49:50,812

So it's just something to

keep in mind, you know?

00:49:50,812 --> 00:49:51,862

And it's not always evil.

00:49:51,862 --> 00:49:54,952

Like, I mean, I use centralized

platforms on Ethereum all the time.

00:49:55,002 --> 00:49:55,572

, I do.

00:49:56,032 --> 00:49:58,522

, so I'm not saying it's always, it's bad.

00:49:58,552 --> 00:50:00,682

I'm just saying it's good to

be aware of that and know.

00:50:00,712 --> 00:50:05,192

I think that, just because something is

on a decentralized blockchain than it is

00:50:05,192 --> 00:50:06,932

decentralized, I always get to be aware.

00:50:07,112 --> 00:50:08,792

Tali: Yeah, so pros and cons of.

00:50:08,972 --> 00:50:13,442

All of these different approaches,

just becoming aware and knowing the

00:50:13,442 --> 00:50:18,992

choices you're making consciously, I

think is just the key point is to know

00:50:19,082 --> 00:50:22,682

what you're getting yourself into,

what you're getting out of it and what.

00:50:23,012 --> 00:50:24,242

What you're giving up for it.

00:50:24,272 --> 00:50:24,662

Violetta: Yeah.

00:50:24,722 --> 00:50:27,962

Just awareness education

literacy in general.

00:50:28,012 --> 00:50:30,099

Tali: So pretend that I

have written two songs.

00:50:30,429 --> 00:50:35,339

And I want to start and I want to build

a business around the art that I create.

00:50:35,399 --> 00:50:35,729

Yup.

00:50:35,969 --> 00:50:38,759

Step number one, you're saying,

make sure your song is good

00:50:39,149 --> 00:50:40,619

and then consider putting it.

00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:41,849

On the blockchain

00:50:42,389 --> 00:50:46,009

Violetta: .Yes , and I think, , putting

music on Bitcoin is expensive.

00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:50,249

So that's, , It's definitely expensive

and it's going to only get more expensive.

00:50:50,378 --> 00:50:53,418

, So I would definitely recommend

to really think about it.

00:50:53,898 --> 00:50:58,308

But, , like I said, I came from Ethereum,

there's other blockchains and I w I

00:50:58,338 --> 00:51:00,558

would recommend to check it out just to.

00:51:00,938 --> 00:51:03,278

Learn the process.

00:51:03,308 --> 00:51:04,988

Almost use it as a test net.

00:51:05,438 --> 00:51:08,528

Before you put your music on Bitcoin

because obviously is going to cost

00:51:08,558 --> 00:51:11,528

you money and it's going to cost

the whole community something.

00:51:11,828 --> 00:51:14,468

So, yeah, make sure you're sure.

00:51:14,708 --> 00:51:15,788

But you can use it there.

00:51:15,788 --> 00:51:18,608

And lots of people say, you know, if

there was like, almost like a test.

00:51:18,728 --> 00:51:20,138

Good thing for ed.

00:51:20,138 --> 00:51:21,278

Yeah, I would agree.

00:51:21,288 --> 00:51:25,038

I believe in that ecosystem very

much because it's very flexible.

00:51:25,038 --> 00:51:26,568

It allows me to build a community.

00:51:27,018 --> 00:51:28,338

So I would say start from there.

00:51:28,398 --> 00:51:28,488

Okay.

00:51:28,748 --> 00:51:31,718

Tali: so step two start a

community, or is that step one?

00:51:32,318 --> 00:51:33,848

Violetta: I would start

building a community.

00:51:33,848 --> 00:51:34,478

First thing.

00:51:34,808 --> 00:51:35,198

Because,

00:51:35,198 --> 00:51:35,948

Tali: how do you do that?

00:51:36,338 --> 00:51:36,728

Violetta: Well, okay.

00:51:36,758 --> 00:51:37,988

Well there's many ways.

00:51:37,988 --> 00:51:40,628

The way I did it was

open up Twitter spaces.

00:51:41,048 --> 00:51:44,948

And host Twitter spaces every day

for two or three hours every day.

00:51:45,278 --> 00:51:45,968

No matter what.

00:51:46,688 --> 00:51:48,158

So I love talking.

00:51:48,218 --> 00:51:48,278

You.

00:51:48,758 --> 00:51:50,648

You've seen now I'm a chatty person.

00:51:50,988 --> 00:51:52,338

, and I love entertaining.

00:51:52,368 --> 00:51:53,778

I love playing for people.

00:51:54,048 --> 00:51:56,148

I love receiving, love for my songs.

00:51:56,628 --> 00:51:59,148

And I thought I'm just going

to do this every day and show

00:51:59,148 --> 00:52:03,108

up and people appreciated that

and started getting involved.

00:52:03,108 --> 00:52:06,538

And then when I minted my

NFTs, Everyone bought it?

00:52:06,778 --> 00:52:09,748

, because she's been giving us so

much value and entertainment.

00:52:09,942 --> 00:52:10,992

And we're going to buy this.

00:52:11,154 --> 00:52:12,534

And little by little, you know?

00:52:12,534 --> 00:52:13,254

Yeah, yeah.

00:52:14,304 --> 00:52:15,414

Tali: So.

00:52:16,214 --> 00:52:20,204

What would you say to a woman was

sitting on the fence about Bitcoin?

00:52:20,843 --> 00:52:24,823

Violetta: I would say definitely

take your time to learn.

00:52:25,162 --> 00:52:29,872

, because as we were talking about earlier,

it's important, we're pioneering this.

00:52:30,022 --> 00:52:30,712

I feel.

00:52:31,022 --> 00:52:31,802

, and so.

00:52:32,642 --> 00:52:35,072

You really have to know how it works.

00:52:35,882 --> 00:52:39,242

But I would say, I feel like

Bitcoin is much more than just

00:52:39,362 --> 00:52:44,257

the tech coal conversations

that, Are usually had perhaps.

00:52:44,377 --> 00:52:47,197

Meetups or, the main conferences.

00:52:47,257 --> 00:52:48,907

It can be very tactical.

00:52:49,477 --> 00:52:55,797

But I find a lot of emotions in it and

it does change how I think and how I

00:52:55,797 --> 00:52:58,617

act as a person, as a woman in my life.

00:52:58,617 --> 00:53:02,187

.

I really did find more independence because of it in my everyday life.

00:53:02,527 --> 00:53:03,697

. Change the way I think.

00:53:03,827 --> 00:53:06,617

. So it's okay to approach

it in an emotional way.

00:53:06,707 --> 00:53:09,107

I believe, find some philosophy into it.

00:53:09,227 --> 00:53:09,527

So

00:53:09,767 --> 00:53:10,067

Tali: yeah.

00:53:10,787 --> 00:53:11,207

Awesome.

00:53:11,237 --> 00:53:12,017

Thank you so much.

00:53:12,017 --> 00:53:13,307

I really appreciate this chat.

00:53:13,307 --> 00:53:15,437

I'm sure it cleared up a

lot of questions about this.

00:53:15,437 --> 00:53:20,384

And there are a lot of people out there

trying to make something of their art.

00:53:20,664 --> 00:53:22,614

Self expression I think is so important.

00:53:22,704 --> 00:53:23,094

And.

00:53:23,574 --> 00:53:25,344

Just knowing that this is an option.

00:53:25,374 --> 00:53:26,454

I think it'll be really helpful.

00:53:26,454 --> 00:53:27,774

So thank you so much for sharing.

00:53:30,213 --> 00:53:34,103

Thanks for joining us today . If the

discussion with our guests resonated

00:53:34,123 --> 00:53:37,593

with you and you would like to dive

deeper into the world of Bitcoin,

00:53:37,963 --> 00:53:41,293

don't miss out on joining the

Orange Hatter Women's Reading Club.

00:53:41,713 --> 00:53:43,433

The meetup link is in the show notes.

00:53:43,863 --> 00:53:47,883

Also, if there are women in your life

whom you think would both enjoy and

00:53:47,903 --> 00:53:51,883

benefit from learning more about Bitcoin,

please share Orange Hatter with them.

00:53:52,543 --> 00:53:54,093

Until next time, bye!