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She completed her masters in Ayurvedic sciences. And her PhD in turmeric, her passion is teaching at home remedies to reduce inflammation naturally and help you enjoy more energy, less brain fog, less pain, and ultimately achieve vibrant health. Dr. Shivani Gupta has practiced Ayurvedic medicine for over 20 years.

She highlights turmeric, potent anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, antiviral, antibacterial, and antifungal properties, explaining how it impacts so many different inflammatory pathways. She also stresses the importance of using high quality turmeric supplements. That include both extracts and whole plant components.

This was so huge. I was asking so many very specific questions about, okay, so if we are at the grocery store wanting to buy turmeric, what are we looking for on the label? And she gets so, so hyper specific of here's what's effective, here's what's not effective at all. And of course, talks about her turmeric products that she spent years developing.

Absolutely. Thanks for having me. The, the first conversation we had that actually released earlier this year, it was the perfect segue into a new year 'cause we were talking about. Foundational Ayurvedic principles for daily living. And there's still things that we talked about there that I have since incorporated into my life.

Nice. But I remember we talked about, I had sent you like such a long list of questions for that interview, and I think we got to like half of them. Sure. It happens. It totally happens. And one of the things that we were talking about is, I mean, you. Literally have a PhD in turmeric. Yes. And so there are years and years and years of study and information that we didn't even get into on that topic.

Awesome. So where, where should we start? Maybe even like revisit. 'cause I do think in our interview we talked a little bit about your PhD, but maybe give us a refresh of a PhD in turmeric. That feels very niche. It's pretty niche It It is kind of, people always laugh. They're like your PhD's on turmeric, the spice.

Could you have gotten any more specific Yeah, humanoids. Only the curcumin out of the three curcuminoids could have gotten a little more granular. Right. Well, the thing is, I grew up in an Indian household, so I grew up knowing that if you go into your kitchen, the spices themselves have a lot of power to heal the body, and that's what my grandma always did.

But they work. And in the US when I get sick in Houston, Texas and we go to the pediatrician, they just write a script and I'd pick up bubblegum, take tasting amoxicillin from excerpt GERDs. Back then it wasn't seem then, and I would drink it and I'd get better too. So I always wondered like, who's right?

Which is better? I don't understand. Um, it took me till college to realize, okay, well I've actually probably taken antibiotics. 50 to a hundred times now. And that's not really working for my system. Every time they try that solution now it doesn't work. Mm-hmm. So what is it that my grandma's doing? And that's when I learned about Ayurveda and I was in India and I looked at my parents and I said, can we please go study this thing?

Yeah. Is a placebo effect and it's not really doing anything. I just wanted to know like, are you guys being honest or what is this? And center after center, they would say, your dosha, according to your pulse diagnosis is. Fit that you are this kind of person, this is how you need to detox, this is how you need to do things.

And I was like, oh, okay. And then all of a sudden I also learned that right out back they had these gardens and the gardens were full of medicinal plants. And they literally looked at me and said, every single plant back here has a different purpose. Fennel will do this for you. Cinnamon will do that. Fnu Greek.

What's happening? And that's what got me intrigued about the plants. I was like, okay, so if a simple leaf or tea or plant or extract from this. Can literally solve all my health problems. I need to go figure out what it is that out of this will help me, and then I'm gonna go make it myself. Because back then we didn't have a lot of trust in herbal supplements or supplements in general.

And that was the beginning of my journey. So I did my master's in AIC sciences, and then my advisor was like, you should get a PhD. And I was like, you are kidding yourself. That's gonna take forever. I have big dreams. I'm gonna create products that change the world. And he's like, no, I'm, I'm serious. Your kids are young.

Now's the time. It sounds like you're always gonna work in this field around physicians and doctors and creating things for the medical world. Mm-hmm. What is your topic of interest? And I said, well, I'm really interested in pregnancy. I think we don't handle pregnancy and honor it in the way we should, and that's why we're having kids with lots of health issues.

Hmm. And that's when I built, then that's when I started my turmeric PhD. And I just fell deep into the science. I took years reading there. Back then there were 10,000 scientific studies on turmeric. Oh my gosh. It took forever. I had to have like advisors and mentors around me just to show me how to read that much science and go through it and sift through it.

But once we did, I was like, okay, well this is irrefutable nap. Now. I, I am the biggest super fan of turmeric 'cause it can do so much. We just need to, to keep showing people what it can do. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, first of all, in two years when I really start my dissertation work, I'm gonna have to call you and be like, girl.

Exactly. Some of this information. To that end, you know, I, I'm, I'm actually really excited to dive deep into turmeric because this is a spice all of us know about. I think this is a spice, especially for those of us in the holistic health world. We know it's anti-inflammatory. We know it might have some benefits, but we definitely don't have, you know, three to five years worth of probably more of all the scientific studies.

Sure, sure. So for the general public, we know that turmeric is a very powerful na natural anti-inflammatory. And the reason it is that and the reason there's so much science and western medical science interested in turmeric kit this time. It's because it affects NF Kappa b and TNF Alpha. Those are major master switches when we talk about inflammation in the body.

Mm-hmm. And so one way of thinking of that is when we're in our twenties, when we're in our youth, we do all sorts of things. We, we pull all-nighters, we eat whatever garbage and fast food we want. Maybe you're in your twenties, you go through college and a lot of big stressors first, heartbreak, all the things.

Fast forward to our fifties and sixties, what we get is the end repercussions of chronic low grade inflammation causing havoc over time. Mm-hmm. So what's so powerful about turmeric as a natural anti-inflammatory and herb is it goes after the master switches. It just turns it all down or off, which is huge because a lot of different herbs and spices and, you know, different medical grade solutions we take for pain and inflammation, those will just go after specifics like COX two, you know, all the different pathways.

They'll go after them individually. Mm-hmm. Versus goes after the master and then shuts it all down. So. I usually have graphics in my webinars and classes that I teach where it shows like the 30 pathways turmeric effect. So anti-inflammatory is huge from a health standpoint. Then we talk about antioxidant.

Then what I love about it is it's very antiviral, antibacterial, and antifungal uhhuh. A lot of people who get sick often, which was me from that chronic antibiotic use, had severe leaky gut needed to. I always have to do the work for leaky gut. I'm always on the defense about my immune system. I always want like a, a force field around myself, and I use turmeric the most for that.

Then when you talk about inflammation, you're oftentimes talking about joint pain and chronic pain, and waking up with aches and stiffness. Tumor helps with that. But what's also cool is it's anti-parasitic, anti h pylori, pro gut health. So it, it gets rid of the bad bacteria, but keeps the good. It's very powerful from an anti-aging standpoint.

So I love it as that, um, defense and it also helps kill off zombie cells. That accumulate in the system and start running into everything and cause damn, oh wow. It gets sort of malignant cells that don't belong in the body. So it's, think of it as this ultimate janitor that comes out and says, you know what?

All of this garbage has to go. I'll leave the good behind. Typically things that clean out the garbage also take all the good. And so turmeric is very intuitive in that sense. It's, uh, adaptogenic in that sense. Mm-hmm. Selective. It's selective. That's a great word. Selective in that sense of where it goes.

Everyone should cook with it and use it. It's fine if you're gonna cook with turmeric, add black pepper or a healthy fat. We know the fat will help cross the blood brain barrier. We know the black pepper is gonna increase that absorption by 2000%. Oh, wow. And so when you take a supplement, it's if you're gonna take that extract of turmeric.

Unfortunately in the supplement world, there's a lot of games that are played. Yeah. We, up to 75% of supplements on the big box retailer shelf do not have active ingredients at the level that they should. Mm-hmm. And so after I studied turmeric and did my PhD, and anytime someone had a cold, I was like, you should take tur for that.

And they said, I have knee pain. I was like, you should take two work for that. They said, well, which one? And I couldn't tell who to endorse because how do I trust anyone on a big box retailer's shelf or on Amazon where it's truly the wild, wild west of uncontrolled substances at this point. So my family around me was like, you should just make your own.

All of Western medicine isn't trusting you 'cause you haven't built it in the form that they'll trust. And because it's natural plant medicine, it's not really something pharma cares to touch it. It's too accessible, right? And so one of my advisors at the time when I was doing my PhD dissertation said, you better not ever break off a molecule of curcumin and make a supplement or a product and call it better never break Mother Nature to create something.

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And so there's a couple things I wanna lean into a little bit deeper here. You talked about there's three curcuminoids. Yes. And so we're wanting to make sure all three of those curcuminoids are in there and in a certain ratio. And to your point, it's the ratio that they were. Originally created in rather than maybe what some supplement companies might be doing going well, curcumin is the best one, so we're gonna remove the other stuff and just up the curcumin a whole bunch.

So I was recently on an Alzheimer's summit and afterwards we got. So many phone calls and I thought, gosh, this is amazing. They're asking, are we third party tested? They wanna see certificates of authenticity. Like this is an educated population who wants these answers. These are things I've been doing for 10 years because I wanted my doctors to feel comfortable.

Yeah. Now the public wants to know, and I think that's incredible. Like that's where we should be in the supplement world. Um, but yes, it does come down to. Those curcuminoids, the ratio of them, the potency of them, um, at least at a minimum, any supplement you buy off the shelf should be standardized to 95%.

Because everyone labels so differently. It's actually really hard to discern and say to you, yeah, that's a good one. Or no, that's not right. But I do know there's such a range of quality. So even for myself personally, I always ask. My functional medicine doctors. My integrative doctors, what brand do you trust?

Why? And typically it's 'cause we're all going to a lot of the same conferences. We're meeting the founders, we're looking them in the eye. We're asking the questions around certificate of authenticity. Where are you doing third party testing, where are you supplying from? Why did you add that additive in there?

Sometimes I'll text my friends and I'll be like, that's a lot of additives you added in the supplement that I bought. Like why is that? Mm-hmm. I wanna know. Why'd you, why'd you go so far? And that's how we keep improving. In our sector. Yeah. I love what you're saying too about the third party testing because it almost sounds like a no brainer.

Right? Because I think there is a lot of gimmicks where. It might go, you know, for example, whatever turmeric is, anti-inflammatory. Sure. This product is the ultimate anti-inflammatory product with turmeric in it, but the amount of turmeric in there isn't even efficacious. It's just in there to be able to say it's in there.

So it's regular turmeric powder, and then the curcumin or curcuminoids is like a [00:22:00] hundred milligrams. 250 milligrams. And so the correct dosage, according to the majority of the science that's out there is 500 milligrams of curcumin with curcuminoids. Mm-hmm. Add black pepper or healthy fat, that's your choice twice a day.

So that's standardized dosing. Of curcumin for a lot of the inflammatory issues that we like to study it on. So that's where I think people need to be careful. 'cause you're right, like you can go to the grocery store, they'll add turmeric to your orange juice and sell it to you. Yeah. And it anti-inflammatory orange juice.

I'm like, yeah, that's juice sugar. Thank you. Sugar bomb. With turga, it doesn't undo the bad. Of what I'm doing there. Mm. Yeah. So we have to be careful how we're marketed to, and that's why when I, when I was starting 10 years ago and my family proposed, I built a term work company, I was like, you're crazy.

A lot of people were like, why are you coming here? I was like, I hope to inspect myself, guys. No one comes out here. They're like, no, no one comes out here to meet with us. Oh my gosh. Wow. And I said, I need to know for a fact, third party. Inspection, pre, mid, and post-production. Mm-hmm. I'm always asking for more testing and they're like, Shwana, you do the max testing.

Anyone can do like, you're good. And I'm like, well, how can we do more? We need to assure the public that we're what we're putting in their bodies. I need to assure my doctors too that what they're giving to a patient, it's trustworthy. Mm-hmm. 'cause this is a piece of their health. Just like I've been an autoimmune patient my whole life, worried about my gut.

Yeah. No, completely. And to that end, like it's still very, very rare, but when I find. Brands and companies and and founders who are going that extra mile, that already catches my attention, that already puts them in a league above the rest. 'cause the fact that they're willing to do that shows you so much more.

Sure. You know, what's behind the product. Okay. So I had to pull up, um, your Fusion formulas tumor at Gold. Yeah. Okay. Um. So for the audience, because I do think it's sometimes it's hard when you're just listening. Sure. I'm looking at the ingredient label. So there's like three clear things in the supplement facts of the product.

I did that because 10 years ago when I was formulating, I was sitting in the office of one of my mentors and he goes, you know, from all the research I'm doing, there's a synergistic effect to turmeric with its extract, whole plant with extract. Is what's driving a better result. And I thought, okay, let me bring that into what I'm creating here.

Hmm. I created that one thinking, okay, that's a true Ayurvedic formula. Let's honor ancient wisdom. Let's bring in all the plants Ayurveda would've given you for inflammation, because it's a very western mindset to take one ingredient and drive the result with one [00:26:00] extract. 100%. Right. Yeah. So a more sympathetic view on that and is inflammation relief.

It's like an orchestra and a symphony of herbs coming together. Mm-hmm. To holistically give a result. And I always thought my doctors would never recommend it. 'cause there's weird herbs in there, there's illa, there's dried ginger, Gucci, amla. They've never heard of mla. And so I just was like, okay, no one will ever take that one.

It'll just be something I recommend to people. And it's been astounding because wow, 10 years ago when I built Tary. All of a sudden my orthopedic doctors were like, you know what? Your turmeric is so good. You have totally won a joint pain in my patient. But you know what's even better is when you take both of these things together.

And I was like, mm-hmm. I never would've put 'em together. And so they put them together and we now call that the pain solution bundle. Yeah. Because. Whole plant in a beautiful way. When you put herbs in that proportion, basically the primary herb goes and does the main job. Secondary herb supports that one.

So it's like a very. Holistic approach to solving the problem. Mm-hmm. As opposed to direct shot. And so the combo was actually a great combo. Yeah. There, I wanna lean into this a little bit more for the audience, but for myself too, because I think I need to understand better. So again, like there's turmeric extract on there and then there's turmeric powder.

And I honestly, if I was a, if I was reading this in the supermarket, I'd be like. Aren't those the same thing? No. How are they different? And you ha, I know that you've already kind of answered this, but can we go into it deeper for like the super, super, um Sure. New person? Yeah. No, it's a great question. So I'll give you an example.

This is whole plant. Mm-hmm. And those leaves are unfolding to beautifully create a delicious green tea. Now I could say, Hey. EGCG and the ingredients inside of green tea are anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, antioxidant. They're so beneficial. I need to ensure I'm getting my green tea daily and I'm not negotiating on that.

So I'm gonna go buy, oops, I spilled tea everywhere. I'm gonna go buy, um. EGCG, I'm gonna go buy green tea extract capsules. When you buy a capsule, they're not gonna give you the whole leaf. They're gonna extract exactly what they are looking for to drive you a very specific result. Mm-hmm. Because that's what they're promising you is the extract of what that is.

Out to give you even more potency in a small capsule. And think about it in supplements, we're always trying to drive into smaller capsules. Even my capsules almost a touch medium size. And I get complaints from my kids and everyone like, why are you, we need smaller pills. So we're always trying to drive into smaller sizes, but the extract is just that.

But we live in modern day times where we need like big hammer potent results because of the level of inflammation we're carrying, 'cause of the level of disease and problems. Burden we have within the system. Mm-hmm. That's where bringing in both wisdoms is very powerful. Let's take modern science and ancient wisdom and combine them into one solution so the body goes.

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Correct. So there is published science on non curcuminoid turmeric being effective. That proves that exact point that the turmeric powder had other benefits. It wasn't garbage and waste. It had a point, it had tumor alls. It had different qualitative. Ingredients in there, and I think, I hope in my lifetime we'll come to understand all of those others and their power and start pulling those out.

Mm-hmm. We are doing that right now with so many different botanicals in Ayurveda. Like right now in India, botanicals are being studied at. It's such a profound level with so much clinical science. Mm-hmm. And so I was just in Mumbai last year and they were like, we found new extracts out of ashwagandha and we found a way to grow it in this way.

By giving it back to the body, the body's gonna use them both in a synergistic way. Yeah. And then just, I know I'm like really beating a dead horse with this point, but if we, if you were just. If you weren't bringing in the extract, like purposely extracting and putting that in in a high dose, the amount of just turmeric powder you would need to get an efficacious dose of curcumin would be so massive.

Is that right? Correct. You would need like a big mason jar's worth and you'd have to eat it in like a week or two to get what's in a supplement form. And I always tell people I'm Indian. We are cooking with turmeric all day, lunch and dinner in my house. And we don't go through that much turmeric powder like it, it's not the same.

Yeah, and you know what's interesting is so many people say, well, I juice my turmeric, or you know, I cook with my turmeric and I get that all day every day. And it's been true for well over a decade now. And I always say, you know what? I get you. I am a big fan of food is medicine. A huge fan. I teach, I Aveda.

But the people who I am talking to are typically ones who have. Chronic inflammation, joint pain, and lots of other issues. And I can't name them as a supplement company, but lots of other issues. And when they have those issues based on inflammation, they're like, uh, I need something that works. And so that's where regular tumor kitchen people sprinkling it on their chicken and their food or people juicing.

It might not be enough. It might not be enough to drive that bigger result that you're asking for. Right. So to that end, like, um, looking at the tumor gold supplement of yours, it's. So we're kind of saying like a standard therapeutic dose for inflammation would be, you know, one capsule twice a day.

Or is there a higher dose you might be. Offering. You know what I do? I have people call me because it's so bait, it's so custom a lot of times, and it's fun. Until about this moment, I was answering the 800 number of ary and it was so fun for the first decade. Now we've grown and the team is like, Shivani can't take the calls.

'cause Shivani will talk to every customer for 30 to 45 minutes. Yeah. And then become their health coach and we can't allow it. She's gotta travel. Be on stage. Um, so they vet the calls, but sometimes they'll ask me questions like this and I'll say, please just give them my phone number. Like let me, let me talk to the person and explain.

For example, when I'm about to fight off a cold, if anyone around me is sick, I can in increase my dosage to six capsules a day. That's a pretty high dose to go to. I won't do it over a long haul, but for a couple days I'll take two for breakfast, two for lunch, two for dinner, and then all of a sudden there's, I have had such an antiviral effect in my system.

I'm clean and clear, no more sniffles, and I know I'm good to go. And so I like to talk to people about where they're at because not everyone can take high dose turmeric just like that. Sometimes it upsets your stomach. You need to start with one a day to a day. So if someone's a, a. Consistent user and they have a good, strong stomach and they really need support that we can talk about like playing with the dosage a little bit.

Quantity and dosage. Mm-hmm. And so I've thought about it a hundred times, getting a jar and making you like a scoop so that you can add it to your protein shakes or a tea, because people are very used to this turmeric latte idea. Oh yeah. Yeah. But I think turmeric latte is a whole load of crap because you're just taking a half teaspoon of turmeric and adding it to maybe your skinny latte, no fat, or who knows what you're doing.

That is not effective. That is a oil waste of your time and money. If you just wanna sip a cool drink, 'cause it's fun to sip, go for it. But I have never, ever drank a turmeric latte because to me it has no value. It has no positive impact in my life. I'm gonna take turmeric in the way that drives the biggest result.

An unwind tea, because I found a lot of us are reaching for chocolate or wine at night and I thought if we had something to reduce anxiety and reduce. Stress on the system. Mm-hmm. Maybe we wouldn't reach for those vices that are inflammatory to us. Mm-hmm. If we slept better, we would clear inflammation.

If we supported menopause symptoms that are hot flashes and all these things that disrupt sleep, we'd be better off. So to me, everything's usually rooted in how am I gonna keep clearing that inflammation? And so that was my way of playing with how do I build a functional T to drive a result? In whole plant form.

So it's not always supplement extracts. Yeah. And so people have told me the sleep tea helps their sleep tremendously. Uh, menopause support, tea got rid of all their hot flashes, night sweats, which was huge. Mm-hmm. Unwind teas how they unwind after work and take a couple steps down without reaching for unending food, chocolate and wine.

Ooh. Um, and like the, there's a great company that does saffron, so I, you know, make a little latte out of that, but Nice. Saffron is so good for you. Good for the brain. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So many things. Yeah. So many different benefits. Can, let's bleed into, let's maybe expand the conversation a little bit into inflammation more broadly.

Why would I choose, you know, I'm gonna have to spend three years on something. So what do I wanna spend three years on and is it this or this? And if I have to say yes to this, that I have to say no to something else. It's true. And my team is always like, stop it. You can't get into the next topic until you're done with the current topic.

So I've been into, I visa forever. I've been into turmeric forever. I, I would do another PhD and do it on ashwagandha if I had free time because I think it's just. Such a powerhouse, multidimensional plant, just like turmeric is. And it gets me really excited. So it's in deep sleep tea and unwind tea. 'cause I get, I want daily ashwagandha on board in my body.

And I was always like, no, just work out more. Just eat. Well. Like what are you, what are you complaining about, ladies? Well, now I know. Now I know exactly what the complaint was. It's called Your system just takes a flip for you. So I think adaptogens and turmeric and anti-inflammatories are a good way through.

But the reason I wrote the book, the Inflammation Code, and it's a Hay House book coming out next year, is inflammation is the Root Cause underneath. What I feel like is 99% of our problems. Mm-hmm. And if we could just understand all the ways we can build a lifestyle to address it consistently, then we'll have a system in place to deal with it.

And I thought, that's not gonna be me, that's not gonna be my parents' generation, certainly not my generation. And so the inflammation code is really like my love letter. To all of us that we can put my six pillars from Ayurveda in place in a really beautiful way into our lives. I'm not asking everyone to suffer.

Mm-hmm. People are always like, oh gosh, she's gonna take away our wine and our bread and our sugar and everything we love. I'm not here to take those away. I'm actually here to say the a Aveda lifestyle itself. Is an anti-inflammatory lifestyle. Mm-hmm. And if you understand how to kind of interplay with it, if you understand your constitution and your elemental design and all these ideas I share in the book, then all of a sudden you can kind of navigate and calibrate all day.

Mm-hmm. But it's about how am I navigating and managing that on a daily basis and keeping it at bay. That's gonna decide how all my future diseases express themselves. Yeah. In my mind, and so that's my dream for everyone is understand sleep as a pillar. Understand your diet for you custom to you as a pillar.

Understand the self-care rituals from Ayurveda that are so detoxing to the system so they help the body stay healthy every single day. Mm-hmm. Understand your constitution, which is pretty key. Understanding a circadian rhythm you can live by every single day. And then finally those super spices and how to play with the different spices in your life, even in your food.

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And there probably is some benefit. It's still there, you know, there's still benefits to that, but yeah. When we actually understand the science, we can just be so much more efficient with the things we're bringing in. Right. But to that end, a couple two things I wanna point out with the inflammation, and we are kind of just teasing it because we're gonna go like so, so deep once, you know, as the book promo comes and we go really, really deep into it.

Mm. Of inflammation that requires a different level of intervention. And I do think sometimes we get hung up on that thinking the things I had to do when I was in deep treatment phase. Are the things I'll have to do forever to stay this way. And what I so often remind patients is, you're in a treatment phase, it's not gonna be this intense forever.

One day we'll move into lifestyle phase. Yeah, I say that because some of the things that I'm sure you mentioned in your book, to your point, people are immediately going, oh gosh, all the things I'm gonna have to give up and do, but. When we actually create lifestyle habits, they're not very invasive. Right.

And ancient Ayurveda is what came up with the circadian clock and said, we are circadian beings. And so part of that is living with your seasons. So for example, I'm a bita according to what I teach, and I'm a fire. So what do I do every summer? I totally dysregulate every summer and I know what's better.

I totally know which habits will do it. But what I do is I'm really great nine months of the year. And then come summer, I'd call it like my punky summer months, I'm gonna travel more. I'm gonna go to Italy and have my wine. I'm gonna do all the bad things and have fun, but I'm also simultaneously doing all the self-care so I can hold my baseline.

So I love to show people, if you understand your constitution, you already know what's coming for you every year, and you can just build your year around it. So I always relax the schedule in the summer to accommodate what I know is gonna happen to me. Then come fall, we can go back to race pace and focused and support with just lifestyle.

Yeah. And that's the beauty of, of calibrating to yourself. That's what IRV that does is it customizes to you and who you are and your inherent nature so you don't feel so crazy. Because normally I'd be like, gosh, me, every summer I gained 10 pounds. Like, gosh, something's wrong with me. It's uh, you know, something's wrong with me.

But what I love about what, what you're saying that I think is like a really nice place to start to close. This is. I also think in the holistic health world, and I'm guilty of this too, we get, it's very, it actually we become very rigid. Totally. And, and I also resonate with this, having experienced cancer that makes us even more rigid and hypervigilant.

And I love this, this different perspective you're bringing to it, which is knowing ourselves more isn't going to put us in more of a cage. It's actually going to free us. Even more so that you can go, huh? I actually just interviewed an integrative genetic counselor, which was mind blowing and it was the same thing.

It's not, well, you have this gene, therefore you can never, it's, you have this gene. Here's all the things we can do, all the tangent things we can do so that you still can X blank, blank, blank. Exactly. You know, IR VDA is very forgiving. IR VDA shows you how to play, how to leverage, how to constantly bring things back into balance.

And I was like, that breaks all my rules. I cannot believe. Reading dinner at nine. And I was like, well, this is one day. Guess what we get to do tomorrow? Never eat past seven. But we have to really, we have to build that flexibility in. Mm-hmm. And I always shows us how to clean and clear after that or work around that.

Mm-hmm. And remember that, like you said, hypervigilance is its own state of constant stress. So let's release that and find a different way. Yeah, 100%. Oh, well that was such a fun, deep dive into turmeric. I'm actually, you know, what you've got me thinking is I wanna get the turmeric gold and then the inflammation and um, that just feels like the great kind of like painkiller formula.

'cause of the neuroinflammation. Yes. And so I've just had more headaches. Than I've ever had before in my life. Wow. And I, I don't take over the counter painkillers, so I'll just suffer. Yeah. This is not great, but I'll just suffer with a headache all day long. So, yeah. I get you. I, I do the same thing. I use essential oils.

I hydrate, I caffeinate, I try to figure out where is the headache coming from. Mm-hmm. I'll take extra turmeric, and then eventually it settles down in your case, because you're talking about neuroinflammation, take the turmeric with a meal. Okay. So that, that healthy fat support also helps it support that piece.

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