The central theme of this podcast episode revolves around the profound impact of cultural identity on the practice and interpretation of astrology, particularly within the context of the Black community. We explore the necessity of creating safe spaces for Black astrologers to express their unique cultural perspectives, which stand in stark contrast to the predominantly white narratives often found in mainstream astrology. Furthermore, we discuss the importance of compassion towards those who perpetuate ignorance, emphasizing that healing rather than confrontation should guide our interactions within the astrological community. Through personal anecdotes, we reflect on our experiences with racism in astrology and the evolution of our understanding of cultural significance within the discipline. Ultimately, we advocate for inclusivity and the acknowledgment of diverse astrological expressions, asserting that all individuals are welcome to engage with and appreciate astrology through a culturally enriched lens.
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Speaker A:Coming.
Speaker A:Coming up out of something.
Speaker A:You go through phases.
Speaker A:And I think you kind of hinted to that with the throwing a book in the Bible, the Bible in the trash.
Speaker A:Because once you start learning some knowledge, you kind of get pissed off at the people who taught you some bullshit.
Speaker B:Right, right, the people, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And you, and you, and you and you equate the whole system and all that stuff with that word and not realize that, oh, it was teaching the wrong word, wrong.
Speaker B:The hermetic exaltation of Neptune is in Leo.
Speaker B:You have to love the ignorant, you have to show them compassion or you will be caught in a spiral of hatred and it will destroy you.
Speaker B:I had to do that myself.
Speaker B:When I remember I told you I got on there, I was really enthusiastic about astrology.
Speaker B:I met all the races and all the different astrology groups and by the way, Afro Astrology, Society of Indigenous Astrologer, the International Society of Black Astrologer, Black Astrology, Black sidereal astrology, Black astro theosophy.
Speaker B:These are all black astrological groups, first and foremost, cosmophysics group.
Speaker B:They were all created because of the racism in the other groups online.
Speaker B:So we needed to create a platform for us to feel safe, to learn and to express how we thought race, how we thought not racism, but astrology was.
Speaker B:I came up with a motion called black astrology which got challenged by other black astrologers.
Speaker B:What is black?
Speaker B:Is it like Vedic astrology?
Speaker B:Is it a system?
Speaker B:You know, is it like Chinese or.
Speaker B:No, black astrology isn't a system, okay?
Speaker B:It's an expression of culture.
Speaker B:Kind of like this system and this experience of experience.
Speaker B:Astrology through the black cultural lens, that's black astrology.
Speaker B:So you may see me post I am black astrology.
Speaker B:You understand?
Speaker B:So because we have a lot of black astrologers that still follow the traditional and elitist nomenclature.
Speaker B:And if you're not following those circles, they kind of, you know, try to put you in your place, to become gatekeepers and try to put you in your place and tell you what's right and wrong.
Speaker B:So we had to create those groups so that people could come and feel safe to express themselves through that cultural lens with astrology, okay?
Speaker B:And I had to forgive those guys.
Speaker B:I had to actually love them for the knowledge that they do have and for the.
Speaker B:That they don't know.
Speaker B:I had to Neptune their asses.
Speaker B:Ignore them.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Is that called Neptune?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because you gotta understand something.
Speaker B:What undoes aggression?
Speaker B:Fighting.
Speaker B:Fighting is Aries.
Speaker B:Aggression is Aries.
Speaker B:Going head to head like a ram is Aries.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:But what is The Undoing?
Speaker B:The 12 plays of it?
Speaker B:Pisces, Silence, ignorance.
Speaker B:So you ignore them, you delete them, you block them, you ignore them.
Speaker B:I see their post all the time.
Speaker B:I still see their posts and I don't say anything anymore where before I would jump on it.
Speaker A:You're wrong too.
Speaker B:I'll get into debates with them, right?
Speaker B:And I can show and prove my stuff works and your stuff don't.
Speaker B:And I just realized, I realized that's not what I'm here for.
Speaker B:I'm here to heal, not confront.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker B:I'm here, I'm still learning myself.
Speaker B:And I'm here to teach, not destroyed.
Speaker A: the writing of this paper to: Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And I learned other things, like the cultural significance of ethnicity in astrology.
Speaker B:Like for instance, you know, I say all people, all black people.
Speaker B:Cancer.
Speaker B:Well, you know, if you follow the Saturn Jupiter conjunction throughout the last four, 500 years, that's significant to the black culture as well, you understand?
Speaker B:I start to see that the Moors were very indicative of Sagittarius and Jupiter and their conquest, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker B:I started to understand that, that, that the rate the ethnicities follow the ages.
Speaker B:So in the age of Aries, we had the Aryans.
Speaker B:And the Aryans weren't all white, they were black.
Speaker B:You know, saying you, okay, so you had the black Aryans, you had the, you had the Olmec heads were established during the age of Aries, you know, things of that.
Speaker B:So I started seeing things from an age perspective, from a wider perspective, from a sub age, you know, the sub ages.
Speaker B:And I started saying, wow, this racial thing is not just limited to the four archetypes in which I discovered.
Speaker B:It was, it's all of astrology in different parts and different times, you understand?
Speaker B:So that's how I evolved from, you know, oh, just white people are fire or they're Aries.
Speaker B:And if you follow Leo, Sag and Aries, you'll be talking about the Caucasians.
Speaker B:Well, you know what, what we try to pin on Caucasians, that conquering attitude and the arrogance.
Speaker B:If you go and find black people in the age of age of Aries, they were doing the same exact thing.
Speaker B:Okay,
Speaker A:so it's the, a, the energy age.
Speaker A:The age, the, the energy of the age.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So the energy of the age has just as much to do with the cons the conceptual constructs, okay.
Speaker B:Has just as much to do with the universal consciousness of how these things manifest as well.
Speaker B:So I advanced from that because I saw that, you know, I began to see that in a lot of things.
Speaker B:And it began to change my perspective on how to deal with a lot of the racism that was online, which is very hurtful because I love astrology and I wanted to learn and be a part of a community.
Speaker B:I thought I was naive.
Speaker B:I thought by joining these astrology communities, I was joining a community of people of higher vibration because astrologers were of high minded people.
Speaker B:And when I started to experience racism, especially astrology is ran by this sambo astrologer by the name of Theo White.
Speaker B:I will name your ass in a heartbeat, right?
Speaker B:A lot of the racist astrologers that were in there, because a lot of racist astrologers flock to the political astrology groups and the mundane astrology groups.
Speaker B:They deal a lot with national charts and things of that nature.
Speaker B:But you'll find them there, you know, especially going there.
Speaker B:I started doing, delineating the chart of Trump and I was making predictions with Trump coming true.
Speaker B:I predicted that his best friend, I predicted that his closest advisors, his lawyers would turn against him, his sons would be indicted, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker B:I predicted.
Speaker B:They were calling me, you're, you're trash and you hate America and you're, you know, you're a porch monkey.
Speaker B:Yeah, just like that.
Speaker B:And those things came true from looking at his little, you know, looking at his, his chart that I, you know, that I looked at his 29, 28, no, 27, 26 degrees.
Speaker B:I used 26, 26 degrees of Leo at the ascendant.
Speaker B:And when he goes to dc, he progresses to Virgo at the ascendant.
Speaker B:See, if you look at that chart and you progress it to all the times where he made executive orders or came on TV and said some crazy.
Speaker B:And you're going to see those, that, that those transiting charts and those progress charts match up to exactly what I was talking about.
Speaker B:And they eventually put me up that group because I just couldn't take it anymore.
Speaker B:I mean, I was like, okay, well, fuck this, you crackers.
Speaker B:And I started being just like that.
Speaker B:You crackers and you rednecks and you sambos and calling people names.
Speaker B:And I realized they would bring me into their element.
Speaker B:You see what I'm saying?
Speaker B:And so I had to step back and say, you know what?
Speaker B:That's not what I'm here for.
Speaker B:I said what I had to say about Donald Trump, I made my predictions.
Speaker B:They came true.
Speaker B:I proved my astrology.
Speaker B:I'm done.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:But it still exists.
Speaker B:So I want the young people to know we do have places for you to come.
Speaker B:Society of Indigenous Astrologers.
Speaker B:Afro Astrology.
Speaker B:International Society.
Speaker B:International Society of Black Astrologers.
Speaker B:Black astrology.
Speaker B:Black astro Theosophy, Black sidereal astrology.
Speaker B:These are places where you can go and be amongst people.
Speaker B:And guess what?
Speaker B:There are white people there, too.
Speaker B:Guess what?
Speaker B:They love us.
Speaker B:They dig us.
Speaker B:They dig our culture and they agree with us or they let us do our thing.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like when you're in that group and you're letting them do their thing.
Speaker B:See?
Speaker B:So this is a safe place for you to come, and I want your listeners to understand you can come there.
Speaker B:And if you are not a black person, if you're not an indigenous dark race or whatever the case may be, but you want to come and.
Speaker B:And see that culture, express themselves astrologically and had that experience, then you're more than welcome.
Speaker B:Just know this is our safe place.
Speaker B:And, you know, we're.
Speaker B:We're there to express our culture in astrology.
Speaker B:And that needs to be said.
Speaker B:Black astrologers matter.
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Speaker B:I like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
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Speaker B:Yeah, well, I need you to make me a couple of them because I want black astrology matters.
Speaker B:I want.
Speaker B:I am black astrology.
Speaker B:Yeah, I got a black power fist with this, with.
Speaker B:With the.
Speaker B:With all the signs going around them and exaltations.
Speaker A:Look, this is me.
Speaker A:I made this, okay?
Speaker A:I wear my brand everywhere I go.
Speaker A:I don't walk out the house without
Speaker B:some business there.