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Hello.

Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

Are you ready for another trip down memory lane?

I hope you're as excited as I am to cover Patrick Swayze's most famous

role Today we're gonna travel back to August of 1987 to discuss the surprising

megahit that is Dirty Dancing and all the other goings on at the time.

I could not be more thrilled to have Lauren Kelly and Sarah Royal from

Enough Wicker a Golden Girls Podcast.

Here with me today.

I even have my shirt on.

Much for joining me.

Tell us about

Absolutely.

Thank you.

be here.

It's great.

why don't you take the spiel away,

Sure.

So thank you so much for having us.

We are both so excited to be here with you and also talk about this.

This movie, which I haven't seen in so long, and now I'm

really ready to talk about it.

We are from Enough Wicker as Katie said enough Wicker is the

Scholarly Golden Girls Podcast.

And there are many great Golden Girls podcasts out there, which,

a lot of you probably know.

But what makes our show a little bit different is that we try to get into the

academia of the show and, you know, talk about the, , social implications of the

themes that they cover, , also we do often quote different episodes out of context

because we are Golden Girls fans at heart.

And you can, check us out.

We're actually in the seventh season, so , we're closing in on the end there.

And it's been great.

Sarah, anything else that I missed?

No, I think you nailed it.

I think what's really exciting is like thematically, a lot of the things that

we talk about in a lot of what the Golden Girls covers and obviously the same time

period that they exist in this movie are, there's gonna be a lot of overlap

here, I think, which is really cool.

Yes.

Agreed.

And to that point, there's a tie-in, at least I can think of a specific

episode in the Golden Girls when Dirty Dancing came out craze.

And so Blanche and rose are dancing in the living room.

There's probably some other ones, but that's the definite

one that I can think of

it's

and Jerry back.

this movie.

It's from Lawrence of Arabia.

Just wanted to correct that That was a nice nugget for all you

Golden Girls fans out there.

and

yes.

Jerry Beck.

point.

about Jerry Orach.

Yes.

I kind of forgot he was in The Golden

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's definitely like, I feel like, I don't know I knew him from

the Golden Girls, but I feel like most people know him from like law and

order, like dirty dancing or something.

And, it was funny to watch rewatch this because I didn't look anything

like I have seen it, but I didn't look anything up about it before.

Cause it's been probably 15 plus years since I've watched it.

So everybody that came up besides Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Gray.

Really?

I was like, oh,

Yeah.

I know like, like Wayne Knight, who's just plays,

Yeah.

plays the same character, turns out everywhere.

Bishop, all of them.

There's so many.

Well, in order to get into the mindset of 1987,

let's open the time capsule from August of 1987 and we'll start with

some popular primetime tv according to Nielsen ratings to the Golden Girls.

So, let's see.

When was Golden Girls?

Was it 85 to 92?

What were the

you are correct.

Literally every episode that I do that falls into that time period,

the Golden Girls is listed as one of the top Nielsen rated shows, so awesome.

love that.

Exactly.

in addition to that, we have the Cosby Show, family Ties, cheers.

Murder She wrote Night Court Pains Moonlighting, and Who's the Boss?

So those were the really popular ones.

know you guys younger probably.

Do you remember watching any of those shows?

I I mean I was three in 1987, so I was not watching

all of them but, who's the boss?

Super big favorite.

They would play

same.

like it was on in the middle of the morning, I guess, in

the reruns or something like later.

In the eighties and early nineties, and it was my like, stay home sick show.

Like when , whenever I was homesick, we had, my grandmother, I guess, had given

us like an old black and white TV set.

And it was the perk of me being home sick that I got to bring it upstairs,

adjust the antenna, and like sit and watch TV in my room, which was insane

to me, . And now, you know, now like I can watch TV wherever on my phone.

But it, it was so cool.

So who's the boss was definitely my like favorite show and also

fun story about Tony Danza.

One of my best friends from high school was absolutely obsessed with him.

Like through this show, like kind of like half, like almost surrogate father, half.

Like she had a crush on him.

We

Very typical goal,

another podcast.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, That is a whole nother podcast, but

Yeah.

Seriously.

But but strangely in high school he came to do like a one man show in.

Allen, no, I'm sorry.

Easton, Pennsylvania, just the border of New Jersey and we lived in sort

of western New Jersey at the time.

So I, my mother's like friend's brother owned the theater, was the

manager of the theater or something.

I wrote this letter like a full on handwritten letter Tony Danza

to ask if he could wish her happy birthday on stage, explaining that she

loved him and all this other stuff.

I got a phone call from his manager saying, we have the letter.

Thank you so much.

Go talk to the stage lady, you know, to, so that we can like say hello

cuz like wanna be invited backstage.

The best thing.

Right?

I love surprises, I love pulling it off.

We sit through the whole show, which mind you, you know,

we're 17, in there is over 70

Yeah.

We had a tough time going down the stairs cuz everyone

needed to Have assistance.

Anyway, the whole show, nothing happens.

He doesn't say anything.

There's so many great opportunities to, like, he starts talking about birthdays.

He starts talking about like Italian last name.

She has this crazy Italian last name.

All of these ways.

And we finally go out dismayed.

And my friend, of course, doesn't know anything that's going on.

And she's like, let's go get autographs.

You know, go stand outside with everybody.

And I was like, all right, I'm trying to find the manager

lady I'm supposed to talk to.

Nothing.

And we stand outside with all the other schmos, you know, and some guy's like,

I've been here for 45 minutes, you know?

And finally this woman comes out, looks right at me, and she goes,

how many people in your party?

And I was like, oh six.

And she's like, come with me.

And the guy who had been there for 45 minutes was like, huh,

I've been here for so long.

Why do you get picked?

And I go, because I wrote a letter and then he we saw him privately.

He sang a birthday song to her.

He apologized for forgetting to do it on stage.

And then we got pictures and hugs and everything.

It was the coolest thing,

That's amazing.

What Did

cool.

He looked exactly the same

What a guy.

obviously from Yeah, from who's the boss, but

yeah, he is like super fit.

You know, he's small and like, kind of petite, but like, you know, very muscular.

He was really cool.

He was a great guy.

That's amazing.

I'm very jealous cuz I love me.

And Tony Danza.

go.

There you go.

And Mona taking after you know, Sophia and the Golden Girls all the same.

Oh, Mona was my favorite character I think.

But that was like cameo before cameo, right?

Exactly.

Yeah.

I didn't have to pay anything though.

Just the postage of the letter.

Okay.

Your time in writing the letter.

time.

Yes.

Addition to the popular Nielsen rated, we have some premieres that I

thought were notable with Children.

This is 1987, I don't realize that it was that far back

Yeah.

Full House

21 Jump Street, and the Beast.

Do you guys remember this short-lived show with I think it was Ron Perlman and.

Hamilton,

Yes, I can see the

No.

poster.

You don't remember this, Lauren?

No.

god,

lived and he had like a beast looking some makeup or

prosthetic something or whatever to make him look like a beast.

it was so weird.

Yeah,

it was weird.

Yeah,

god.

Yeah.

It's really strange.

Everybody listening.

Just go look it up right now.

Yeah, I'm gonna,

than I remember.

that gonna be out

a different World Unsolved Mysteries debuted in

Wow.

apparently Degrassi High, which I remember from, I think we

watched those episodes in school.

Did you

Oh, interesting.

Wow.

No, I didn't realize it came on that early though.

That's

Was on for so long.

my two dads, which was fun.

there were a couple of MTV shows remote Control and Head Bangers Ball,

Oh yeah,

referenced in my last episode about, because we talked about the

Birth of MTV, cuz we were in 1981.

So those talked about last time.

so Remote Control was a game show.

I don't know if you guys ever

I don't remember that.

Yeah, remote control is big.

A lot of people like came through on remote control.

I feel like, like empty, like DJs and like celebrities.

Yep, they did.

And then Star Trek, the Next Generation and the Geraldo Talk show debuted in

wow.

Oh.

Yeah.

And then some notable finales are the A Team Hill Street Blues, silver Spoons,

and Gimme a Break with Now Carter.

So those ended in 87.

Did I miss anything that you guys were watching that weren't listed?

I know again, 87 but you know, reruns or something from in the day.

Are we doing cartoons yet?

Because I was three.

All right.

yet.

Cause that was really my wheelhouse back then.

So, no, I just, the when you, with everything that you listed, I just wanted

to put in another plug for family ties.

I love that show.

I thought that was a great show.

So good.

Yeah,

what about you, Lauren?

I also was a big family Ties fan.

I was really, I feel like all of these shows I caught in like their, when

they were in syndication, either on Nick at night or I think it was called

Fox Family at the time, was a channel that doesn't exist anymore, but they

would show family ties I was Sure.

I loved growing Pains, which I, at this point I don't think I can really

mess with cause of what's his name?

Kurt Cameron.

Oh.

I did love it at the time and I loved

One, one

on, on growing pains.

The dream of my lifetime was to have an apartment above the garage

he had in that final season,

so grown up

It was like a thousand square feet or something.

Insane.

For

people's apartments or

than my apartment right now.

Yeah,

Absolutely.

Were they in Connecticut or something?

Where was that set?

I over

That does feel right.

Yeah, that was, who's the boss?

Actually, I think that was

Yeah.

Yeah.

you're right.

You're totally right about that.

through the

And you know, full House was so, so big.

I feel like it was cuz Mary, Kate and N Ashley were, I was like prime age for when

they were famous, when they were little.

Okay.

my cousins and I were all so really like bought the videos so into it.

Yeah.

And like they had those mystery like the murder mystery videos and So I feel

like this is like, they're, you know, they're still young at this point, but

I feel like even, and John Samuel was

What a babe.

What a babe.

kidding.

He's better looking now, I

Yeah.

It's crazy.

of got me back in the, I was like, no

he trimmed

Yeah

yeah.

he does.

He just keeps getting better.

So, okay, well there are some standouts from Saturday morning.

So cartoons, car Bears, Muppet Babies, Alvin, and the Chipmunks

and were some of the big ones.

Were you guys watching those at

Oh yeah.

love the Muppets.

sure.

And exactly.

was my fave too.

Yeah, it was awesome.

It was great.

What about was Thundercats earlier that, I used, it was earlier.

Okay, gotcha.

Yeah, because that's what popped into my mind immediately at this time.

But I love that.

but you might have seen reruns or whatnot,

Yeah.

So some of the finale, so these might have been some earlier shows,

and they ended in 87 pound puppies.

My Little Pony, Bernstein, bears Tra,

Oh, that's right.

Those all ended as did Fraggle Rock, think was on H B O or something.

I never saw Fraggle Rock.

It was on like a pay that we didn't get.

And Zuli Zoo, those ended.

never even heard of that last one.

heard of it, but I don't think I've seen it.

Okay.

ones that so Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

Oh yeah.

Oh,

premiered in 87.

so good.

So good.

Some of the best theme songs to ever exist.

Oh Yeah.

but man, I watched in, I think it was in high school or college, we

were like, let's rewatch teenage Charles.

We loved it.

The pizza always looked so good.

Let's eat pizza and like rewatch this.

And I was like, it felt like it was written for a.

Three year old , like it was so

Really?

It's that

Yeah, it was.

episodes of

I mean, I watched it all the time.

I was absolutely obsessed, especially when live action movie came out and everything.

At least at the time, I guess I, my expectations were really

high for the writing and I was like, wow, this is really dumb

But mostly just catchphrases.

Yeah.

you sometimes you have to leave it there and it's not, you shouldn't go back to it.

lesson.

It taught me a very good

I feel like, I don't I guess it wasn't 87, but I was really into

Rainbow, bright and Gem, the Gem and the Holograms which I feel like we're on.

I wasn't, I was born in 1989, so I wasn't even alive for any of this, but I have a

lot of older cousins who live like down the street from me, so I feel like I,

I got into things that were like, meant for kids a little bit older than me.

same.

I'm the youngest,

yeah.

So all my boy cousins were really into Teenage Mu Ninja Turtles, and I

was like, yeah, I like them too.

Even though I honestly didn't like, I didn't really care,

but I wanted to be cool.

Be cool.

I was like, what are Care Bears on?

I loved the Care Bears though,

things that were supposed to be for boys that I liked.

Which, anyway the real Ghostbusters, it looked like it premiered a

year before, but that was epic.

And that was like all of like my next door neighbor was an only child

and he got every toy, everything.

That's how I watched Nickelodeon, like all the cable channels, everything.

And we had those backpack things where like the proton pack had like a Nerf tube.

Cool.

I didn't have 'em.

He got two so that like him and a friend could play because that's

what happened in his household, . But I got to reap the benefits.

children.

They had the best

Yeah.

It's go.

It was amazing.

Lauren.

No, but my brother's like six and a half years younger

than me, and I, on my dad's side, I was the only grandchild for a long

time, so I feel like I was like,

Kind of got that treatment.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But then on the other side, I had a lot of cousins and nobody super cared that I was

even around, so it was a good balance.

Yeah.

So the other show that premiered, although not in

the US was Garbage pail kids.

Wow.

Do you remember?

There was the

I just remember the cards.

cards.

Yeah, me too.

because, so

that was like money in elementary school,

c b s removed the series from their schedule in the US So it wasn't

even on in the US following protests.

From like all these action children's, you know, Christian leaders for

responsible television, so that

Wow.

It doesn't sound familiar at all.

I'm so glad we've left that world behind.

Wow.

Like Lowbrow Cabbage Patch kids, they were like

But so CBS removed it.

That pressure was too much for them.

What a bunch of wieners.

Yeah.

I know.

Let's move on to music.

Yeah,

right.

the top five billboards in this week, August 21st, I

Okay.

1987.

Who's that Girl by Madonna.

was also the movie, which was so good, watch the movie?

So good.

Maybe, well, I think it'll leave their own, is like the best film that Madonna's

associated with, but I don't know actually I like all of Madonna's movies.

I'm not a film critic, obviously.

Madonna has a hip movie.

I remember the Cougar or the cat very vividly in that

movie, but Who's that girl?

And then Lab Baba by Los Lobos.

that movie was actually released almost exactly a month before Dirty Dancing.

So this was a big time for music and movies.

Yeah, for sure.

was great.

Interesting.

It's such a, it's such a staple.

It seems so weird that it's like you could even its audience.

I have you guys heard of Suzanne Vega?

Yeah.

Tom Signer.

Yes.

I had never has the number three song this week called Luca,

which I had never heard of.

And then it up and I'm like, oh my God.

She's the same gal who sings Tom Steiner, that

totally.

from Heart.

That's how I know that song.

isn't it also, isn't Tom's Diner actually

the Seinfeld diner The shot?

It's the same diner.

Oh, really

Yeah.

Which is supposed to be Monk's Cafe in Seinfeld.

They don't actually film the interior of it, of course, because

they filmed it in Los Angeles, but those New York people with the

terrible cameras back then filmed the

still up too.

You can my old office was like a few blocks.

I think it on like.

It's by Columbia

Maybe like one 15th in Broadway.

Yeah.

It's very people.

I think it's a big tourist spot.

It is,

the Seinfeld fans.

Yeah, I can see that.

Then number four is Don't Mean Nothing by Richard Marks, and

number five is George Michael's.

I Want Your Sex.

That was big song.

He's the best.

great.

Ugh, so good.

I'm sure the Christian Lees didn't like him either.

es

don't think so.

no, I would imagine No.

For, all sorts of reasons.

Love, they're like, we canceled garbage pail kids, but I want

your sex as the top song at the same time.

fine.

That's fine.

that

Yeah.

because we have a lot to cover with Dirty Dancing and there's three of us.

I tried to get the news to a minimum, but there are a couple, pieces of

news and events from this time.

Michael Jackson's bad video.

Which was directed by Martin Scorsese apparently.

Did you guys know that?

No.

Wow.

did not.

Do you know where it was filmed?

Lauren,

I would guess I dunno,

So Lauren and I live in Brooklyn, New York, and there is a subway

station called Hoyt Shehorn, and there

one side of the station frustratingly closed, like forever . And it's

very frustrating when you're like waiting for another train.

You're like, there's another track right there.

What the heck?

But there I don't actually know the reason that it is closed off,

however, because it is closed off, it has been for decades now, obviously

been used for several film projects.

They, it was in the movie The Warriors, if anybody's seen that.

It's also a super famous one.

It was in the Wiz in that really scary scene in the subway.

but yeah, they filmed it there and then actually weird Al when

he did fat, which was the parody he did in the same subway station

really?

fun fact.

yeah.

I love the weird Al was a whole thing

I love where.

So there was a TV special that, that premiered on cbs.

And it was called Michael Jackson.

The Magic Returns so Bad debuted in 1987 and then John

Houston died at the age of 81

Oh,

in August of 1987.

Before we get into the details of the movie, I had a couple

questions for you guys.

Trying to think of a picture at Sicily 1954 type joke, but I couldn't tie one

quite in, so, just basic questions.

So, season one of Retro Made is dedicated to what I consider the ultimate everyman,

Patrick Swayze and Kurt Russell.

So do you have any thoughts or fandom of either of them, either way?

If not, that's fine too.

I mean, I probably gravitated towards Kurt Russell more,

but I can't even give you a really good reason why, just cuz he was

gruffer, . But a big fan of the thing.

I'm a big fan of Escaper New York because I mean, much like we'll get into

with Patrick Swayze's character's name and Dirty dancing, which is so cool.

Escape from New York.

Kurt Russell's name is Snake . I mean, it's, so that's the vibe

I'm going with both of these guys.

Okay.

Okay.

But but no, I mean, Patrick Swayze he's always

just, he is an every man, right?

He's just sort of, he's just always been there as a comfort.

I don't know if it's because you group them together, but I

also kind of feel like they look alike.

And sometimes when I'm thinking about their movies, I like intersperse.

Like I used to love Overboard when I was a kid, which also I've

seen recently, not a great premise

No.

No.

Oh, there's so many things that are problematic if you rewatch them now.

yeah.

Yeah.

It's like, okay, so sh you're just holding her captive on a boat and

sh a lot of it is troublesome, but at the time I really loved it.

And I feel like sometimes when I'm thinking about that movie,

I accidentally like, lay Patrick Swayze's, face over Kurt Russell

and same in some of Swayze's roles.

But I really loved him and I was like, I haven't seen this movie in

so long, and I was just like, wow.

He's just like, so attractive.

And Jennifer Gray is also just so beautiful.

But it's striking and it's , so cheesy.

Like when we'll talk about it, I'm sure when he's wearing like the

leather jacket and the sunglasses and it's like a bit of Danny Zuko.

It really works.

I'm really happy to to have watched a movie with him.

I might have to make a repeating clip of you saying that you think

they look alike, because it was literally gonna be my next question.

I have a side by side as the thumbnail for my trailer, for season one.

Love it,

much think they very much do.

And I ask, it's because you guys are Women see it and men for whatever reason,

don't, all my previous guests, they're like, I don't, you're smoking crack,

I I was, and I was like, I.

I'm gonna push back on that.

. I think they look like a lot.

I don't even think it's like, yeah, I don't know.

Sarah, do you see it

Kurts, I'm gonna pull 'em up side by

young?

Look at like similar age when they're similar ages?

Definitely like the bone structure on like,

especially near their chin.

I absolutely can see that before even looking at an image.

But I will, but

their hair,

totally

like body type.

too,

beautifully.

They're very nice to look at both of them.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And actually especially in the mullet phases, like for sure, like hair.

Wow.

Yeah, there you go.

Going back to Snake and Kurt Russell's more gruff rolls like now.

Patrick Swayze and Roadhouse just popped into my head, which is

like, I don't know if you've seen that movie, but it is insane.

It's so I mean, it's a terrible movie,

Yes, exactly.

you know?

It's good because it's terrible, but it's like,

again, the ending is just like, what crack am I smoking anyway?

. But yes, they do look alike.

Yeah.

The eighties.

a lot alike.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You guys heard it here.

Sarah and

It's very true.

It's very true.

Yes, we are.

honestly, ugh, man, if I have to, if I have to pick one though, I

still, I'm a Curt Gotta, I'm calling it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Patrick has the slight edge for me,

Me too.

it.

them both.

Yes.

I mean if, yeah yeah,

just end here.

I went,

you're like,

that's it.

Yeah.

Now you both said it had been a long time since you'd seen Dirty Dancing.

Do first, the first time you've seen it?

You

I do because it was at a sleepover where we watched Flash

Dance, Footloose and Dirty dancing, and proceeded to proceeded to like,

you know, basically rank them.

I naturally went for Jennifer Beals.

I was like, I don't even know the rest of the plot of Flash dance, but

I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go for that.

Like, that's my vote.

But I love dirty Dancing and I actually, like, now I'm so curious to watch

both of those other two movies cuz they're so, I mean, they're similar.

I feel like they're often grouped together, but for me it's like a very

specific memory at a girl I went to high school with Maureen Slack, her house and,

you know, I don't know, it's got some nostalgia attached to it for like being a.

Teenage girl and like, hanging out with your friends, and it was very wholesome.

We weren't, it wasn't like a, we weren't like drinking.

Yeah.

I think we were like, I don't know, 14.

And everybody was like, oh, you know, they're all so cute.

I really feel nicely about that time.

And I think I've probably, it was on tv, I feel like a fair amount.

So I've seen like bits and pieces, but I never thought of it

as my favorite of those three.

So I haven't gone back to it so much.

I also, loved Ghost, so I feel like if I were gonna watch, that

would be the way I would go.

But yeah, so I, I was in high school,

Love

I don't remember the first time I watched it.

I can't remember, but I definitely remember the last time I watched it.

I rewatched, I.

Dirty dancing and Pretty woman, it was like, dirty

dancing holds up like way more.

Like get past the like arrangement.

In pretty woman of just, not even, not because like, I mean,

hey, like sex work is work.

I'm just like, she got ripped off . Like that's,

that

that was my deal.

Yeah, exactly.

You're like, wait, how much is your rate an hour?

This is insane.

Anyway,

Sh though.

I think that was,

Yeah.

Yeah.

She needs an accountant there.

Yeah.

Either way.

I'm also like, I'm a much bigger Patrick Swayze fan than I am a Richard Gere fan.

So it was this one had the edge for sure.

Wow.

I'm so, I was surprised in this rewatching, so much of it

holds up so much our themes that unfortunately we've had to circle

back around in our American society.

But we'll get to that.

but yeah, it was, and it was a nice, like nostalgia hit for, not

for a time I didn't exist in, but it was a lovely reflection on that.

Yeah.

Makes you wanna go the cats.

Oh

For real.

Oh, we gotta get into it.

been since you're from over there,

I have,

way?

not to, like, not a proper resort because do they even exist anymore?

They

Probably

I, no, not like this, but the Catskills in

general is kind of this vibe.

Like, I actually feel like I love when movies or TV shows like you can see

that somebody like went to the area and scouted it out and this place where

rich parents would go with their kids and kind of pawn them off, you know?

But I don't know, it just feels so right for the area.

And Catskills are, they're beautiful and there's like a

restaurant scene and it's like,

Oh,

I feel like it's not just the woods, which is like what

I imagined before I have been there.

It's like a little bit bougie, even

That tracks I with what I Now, interestingly when I was researching

this, those types of resorts that they called in the Borsch belt, which

never even heard that term before.

yeah.

didn't, they were more or less disappeared by 1987 when they were

filming this because in the sixties.

So they actually filmed in North Carolina and Virginia places that they

tried to kind of recreate the feel

interesting.

Yeah.

No establishing shots.

The whole thing was North Carolina

I, that's possible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's

It does, it looks like generic

Yeah.

area, I feel like.

woodsy.

Exactly.

That's very fair.

So, yeah, the borsch belt, like I remember growing up and hearing about comedians,

like smaller time comedians being referred to as borsch belt comedians, , you

know, that would do like supper clubs.

Well, yeah, the whole, the you know, whatchamacallit, the talent show and all

the stage entertainment that they have, which is so to think about today, right?

That you would be a paying guest listen to these jokers, sing

off key about their own resort.

But they would have little comedians.

They would just do a circuit, you know, to do this supper club, that supper club.

Just the same as they do the dance at the other supper club.

I mean, yeah, exactly.

And it's so fascinating to me that this whole world existed and like Lauren said,

it was kind of bougie and you have the one woman whose husband works and then she

stays there all week and waits for him.

That was a huge thing, you know, where like,

bunny

Yeah.

. Yes,

to in

totally.

But even like people with kids, right?

Like where you're just like, oh, the husband would go work and you

know, do whatever in the city.

And then the wives, it was too hot in the city for one.

Right?

Like to stay.

So if you had the ability to escape, you would go upstate would stay there,

you know, all summer because you had

The dance instructor, it's totally normal.

It's totally no

that sounds great.

I actually more to Vivian now cause I'm like, dude, Johnny's hot.

Yeah, I know.

Alright.

You guys I'm older than you, so I think the first time I watched this

movie was actually when we got a V C R.

This I think, the first movie.

Like our family it

To Christen, the VCR player.

Yeah.

The TV was that like big piece of furniture.

with the, do

Oh yeah.

Bulky . Yeah,

Oh yeah.

And probably like a year or two after, so it was probably

like an 89 or something, but I was pretty little, you know?

But everything goes over your head that you don't,

It is so explo like the, truly the movement, like the, in the

Golden Girls, like they talk about it and I was like, I guess I, I just

like hadn't seen it and I assumed it was like, you know, like mambo, but

it's so sexualized, the movements.

And I know that it's like,

in my notes like this dancing is quite dirty,

Yeah,

Grind time.

Yes.

Yeah, I was shocked.

So whole family, Katie, and you're just like,

Yeah, that's,

fun dance,

I'm, you know, what, like six or seven maybe.

Eight maybe when I it, but I totally didn't understand.

I'm like, what's wrong with Penny?

Like, in

yeah, of course.

No, of course.

idea.

No idea

well, let's get into dirty dancing, shall we?

The

Woo.

I, if it's not made clear, it's in my all time top five list.

Love it.

Amazing.

I, I lo, I act.

I love it.

And I think for a lot of people it's kind of in that, like, if you're on a desert

island and you can only take so many I feel like this is one people would take.

definitely.

It's very comforting.

the soundtrack.

Oh,

good.

Every song slaps.

of awards.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

think it's like maybe the best soundtrack

It's pro, it's really for

Every single song.

three.

, every single one.

It's insane.

That's my first note is God, the soundtrack rules.

Cuz as the songs start playing, I was like, oh, that's like,

that's more poignant to me.

I have the soundtrack 4,872 times and probably only seen the movie about four.

So yeah, it's just, it's such a part of it.

Well, I've become over time more of an Otis Redding and Solomon Burke fan.

And so I'm like, oh yeah, this is all the stuff.

Yeah.

It's really, it's, yeah.

a karaoke show, so we're

Yeah.

about the movie.

We're just gonna sing the soundtrack.

Well, you guys go ahead.

I, you nobody wants me to sing.

It's PG 13.

I kind of thought it was r but it's PG 13

be fair, they do skip over the sex scene.

You know,

Yeah, there sounds like real sexy,

is

I guess

was actually really bummed

Me too.

was really excited for it, and then I was like, oh, shit.

Actually there was I think like one of the early screenings, this,

that scene that leads up to it, like their first night that really to me.

Like scenes ever.

God, that scene was good, they apparently tested it where Jennifer Gray was nude,

Oh,

the testing did not go well,

huh.

that's

she's

What does that mean?

I know, I'm like, that could either be, yeah, I'm

Tough.

I know.

Is this like

I bet it's that audience audiences like turned on her, not

even because of that, but they, I feel like it was like, I don't know.

Even though obviously it's.

Heavily implied if not said outright, but like I bet that is rooted

in some sort of misogyny of like

sure.

Yeah.

girl's a hussie.

Shoot your, shoot yourself in the dick to make your point, you know?

No, I will not wanna see a gorgeous young woman naked.

Justice for Jennifer Gray.

Yeah.

Well, let's get into that too.

We have a lot

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

Well let's get through some of the details cuz then much, so it's

only a seven on I M D B, which I actually thought was kind of low.

Interesting.

The creators were all pretty novice.

So Emil Artino was the director who was also from Sister Act

Three Men and a little Lady.

And he did some other dance themed movies for which he won an Oscar

for a best feature documentary.

And then the writer was Eleanor Bergstein, who, this was kind of

loosely, she wrote the story and she grew up going in the sixties, going

to the Catskills with her family.

And she was even nicknamed baby until she was in her

No way.

So,

Very that's fun.

The autobiographical component, the summer I, when everybody called me

baby, and it didn't occur to me to mind

Well, so that's Jennifer Gray Baby Francis Hausman is Jennifer Gray.

Patrick Swayze plays Johnny Castle, which is a great name to your

Sarah Jerry plays the dad, Dr.

Jake Hausman.

Cynthia Rhodes is Penny Jack Weston as Max Kellerman.

Jane Brucker as Lisa, the sister.

And this was her debut role.

Kelly Bishop.

Yeah, Kelly Bishop as Marjorie, the mom.

Lonnie Price as Neil Kellerman.

Max Cantor as Robbie, Neil Jones as Billy, who I also had a crush on.

I thought Billy was adorable as

Cute.

Totally.

Wayne Knight, who everyone knows has since, I don't think he was anybody

Newman.

No

from Seinfeld.

He was he had a name, I don't recall it being said in the

movie, but it's Stan, director.

And then the Bungalow Bunny Vivian is played by Miranda Garrison.

The music and choreography, Kenny Ortega, who was trained by Gene Kelly,

choreographed the dancing and the score was composed by John Morris and Jimmy

Leonard, along with help from Berg Stein's personal music collection,

which I thought that was also great.

Oh, cool.

she,

That is cool.

So this movie won a crap ton of awards for the music.

Yeah,

like Oscar wins, AMAs golden Globes.

The movie won a Golden Screen award.

There was an Independent Spirit award for first, so Emil Artino the

director, this was his first feature film, and he won an award for that.

so cool.

land award and then tons of other Grammy nominations,

golden Globe nominations.

As we talked about the music being a awesome, most of the awards

and accolades were the music.

that I feel like I, I love a musical, like a true musical movie and

I, this is obviously not exactly that, but I sort of put it in the same category.

I think because the soundtrack goes so hard, and also because music plays such a.

Prominent role, obviously.

And not in the dance scenes, but also even in the more emotional sad scenes.

I feel like the music is so prominent and so well used that it doesn't

surprise, like I, the movie by itself is great, but I think the music is

basically a supporting actor in it.

And I'm sure that is what's set apart a lot.

Hey, you can count it as a regular musical with the Lover Boy scene.

It's true.

I don't love that scene.

Obviously.

It makes me very comfortable.

I just think he is so hot when he is laying down and like being

of course

her.

Ugh.

it's a cringe for me.

Oh.

It made a ton of money.

Two, 214.6 million was the

Wow.

on a 6 million budget, like a low budget.

That's crazy.

Patrick Swayze's salary?

Half of that

Jennifer, Greg got $25

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, there's actually some trivia about those two that we'll get to later.

But if anybody needs a refresher about dirty dancing, the description

is spending the summer at a Catskills Resort with her family.

Francis Baby Houseman falls in love with the camps dance instructor, Johnny Castle.

That's it.

That's it.

That's it.

Do you guys have any favorite scenes or moments?

Oh, many.

know

Do you wanna, one thing that really sticks out to me, because

actually I had a teacher in high school and we were learning about the Vietnam

War, and there's a line in dirty dancing that she was like criticizing

the line cuz it's actually incorrect.

The Ho Chi Min Trail did not divide.

That was the the parallel, the dms, the demilitarized zone.

And I feel like that trivia fact has remained in my head forever.

And so I was so excited for that line to come up.

And I also love Lisa.

I love when she's on stage.

I feel like she's a little bit, not exactly a villain, but there's

like some tension between them.

But I really enjoyed her whenever she came on the screen.

And I also have since watched Gilmore Girls since I've first seen

the movie and I love Kelly Bishop.

So at the very end when Kelly Bishop is you know, she's like,

I think she got that from me.

And she's , dancing.

And so those are the top of the side characters.

But you know, obviously nobody puts baby in a corner.

Like, come on, that is, Pop culture legend.

we are gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna talk about that

line cuz I want that line later.

We'll go.

We can.

Were you the path of that?

Patrick Swayze actually hated the line.

well, I mean, we could talk about, yeah, we could talk about that.

I'm kind of on his side cuz to me

line.

it's cheesy as hell.

of nowhere.

When it comes outta nowhere.

It just doesn't fit with what he thinks the parents are doing to her and to him.

And in rewatching this time, and apologies, this goes too deep cuz I know

we're sort of recapping, but it's, he has actually pretty low self-esteem.

Like Johnny Castle is not this cock of the walk guy that you

one, sort of expect him to be.

And two, like, at least I remembered him as he has a lot of these moments

where he feels homely, inadequate.

And that was actually surprising me and refreshing to me.

So I understand when he comes back in, but it's like, it's just like this

misdirected it would've been nice if it was a proper callback to someone actually

putting her in a corner metaphorically, or really earlier in the movie.

But it just it's kind of cheesy to me,

But anytime you're in a corner, you say it.

So I feel like the cultural relevance continues.

Well, that's the, that's being a writer, right?

lines that like, you know, especially from like talking about the Golden

Girls, where people write lines and they're like, this is gonna be the

one, people are gonna remember this.

And then nobody remembers that line, but they remember something else.

That's silly.

. that's the off quoted one, right?

but yeah, tell me Katie, what, so Patrick Swayze was not a fan.

He hated it.

He thought the felt exactly like you.

And it was hard for him to deliver the line, but probably somebody thought

this is gonna be a pop culture.

I

Yeah.

And they were right, man.

They were right.

But yeah, it is, and I think that's interesting that you bring

up about like Johnny's self-esteem because I feel like that also is maybe

why dirty dancing is so celebrated because it actually is different from

the trope of the hot masculine lead.

Cuz yeah, he feels bad about himself and also he's like not a dick like at

all, ever really, like even when he's like, when they're having when he and

baby are like having fights or whatever, he's never, he's just like never.

do anything that can't be forgiven.

Right, exactly.

Which is so not typical of the time.

And yeah, he's a little down on himself and there are a couple times

actually where I felt like they almost like reversed, typical gender tropes

where she's like building him up.

Which is nice.

Nice to see that.

And so I feel like that's sort of like that line.

I'm sure, you know, with the rest of the performance, you could

understand how that would take some of that away because it is silly.

Yeah.

Yes.

That's my point.

It's not my most hated line of all time or something, but it does, it did strike

me as, okay, like this is the most famous one, and it doesn't actually,

it doesn't have the impact of delivery that it's like summing up and moving

towards this amazing ending that we all remember, you know, with the dance.

It's just kinda like, oh, all right.

Well, she's

because he sa he basically does what he needed.

He needs to say that he learned from her and blah, blah, blah.

And when he gets on stage and says the actual thing that summarizes the movie.

correct.

. Yeah,

Right.

yeah.

It's very funny.

Can I talk about, can I talk about my favorite scene though?

well, I mean, like, I so many favorite scenes obviously, but what struck me

again, rewatching it this time was the fight scene when he fights with Robbie.

God.

It's like, it's so hot.

Cuz he just goes, hit me.

Robbie hits him as hard as he can.

He just takes it , then pops him right back, kicks him in the balls.

Oh God.

It's the best.

It's just like such a perfect combination of this.

He is being this masculine ideal and he's also beating up the shittiest character

in the movie who fully deserves it.

And everything about it is great.

And then the fact that everybody's on their little bungalow, like porches it's

like, it's just like scene with adults.

Yeah.

you think the best part was that he, he has him on the ground.

He could totally po

Oh yeah, absolutely.

worth it.

Yeah.

that's the part, I mean, it's so great.

Everything plays out perfectly.

And that's the whole.

He can be this quote unquote macho jock guy, but he makes the right decisions.

He's not just beating everybody up.

You know?

This isn't Roadhouse.

Okay

well, and because he is not this like toxic masculine guy, endeared to him.

And when baby asks.

women?

She says in a weird way, like, how many women have you had?

Or something

Yeah.

And he takes offense to it.

And then he tells this story about women's stuff.

He's like, one day I'm eating juju bees.

And then I have women stuffing these rich women stuffing diamonds in my pockets.

And she's like, oh, I get it.

I get it.

You're using them.

And he said

They're using me.

Yeah,

Yeah,

totally.

It's great.

but that's a gender role reversal a little bit and even

when Vivian essentially propositions him, I feel like it's not very often

that you, at this point in time, are seeing men in that position.

And not to get too into it, but he does seem to feel a little

uncomfortable and it's an uncomfortable situation to be in, especially if

you're into somebody else, you know?

And I just, I think they actually, while still keeping it an entertaining, not

super, you know, gender studies, focus film, like they do a good job at having

that woven in throughout the plot.

I feel like Patrick Swayze really also, he is, he's just such a good actor.

He brings a lot of nuance in his response which I don't feel like

everybody would be able to do.

That's a good

I, yeah, you're right about that scene because you know,

she doesn't like him into Vivian.

Right.

Like, but it is this proposition that is like, she's heavily hitting on him because

they've slept together before or whatnot.

She assumes things will happen.

, feels like there is a statement there, which is very parallel to

the classic conversations when you're talking about like rape culture,

where oh, well, you know, a woman propositioning a guy, get that man.

There's never anything bad with that.

Right.

Or , taking advantage of people or like groping people and you're just like, no,

like this is actually kind of saying a statement that a man can be uncomfortable.

It's not just about sex with whomever.

Right.

Or like this, you know, hot old lady , like, it's like he still doesn't want a

probably like 40.

Yeah.

yeah.

I'm sure.

Yes exactly.

still damn hot.

But yeah, it's very strange.

It's a very strange scene and I think that they do a really good job, like

you said, Lauren would like, and he does a really good job of playing it.

He does.

I wanted to piggyback on that, his non-verbal acting when the husband,

her husband gives him money.

Like, give my wife some more dance lessons.

And he turns it away.

He like the way that he clench down his teeth and you can the, his jaw

is, he's so livid in that moment.

it was great.

Yeah.

That's a great point.

classism, like the whole movie is just this like class divide.

Yeah.

When Jerry Obeck is sitting looking at the lake and he is

just a little teary himself.

And he's sympathetic.

I love Jerry Orach so much.

So I will follow him anywhere.

But it's so like rich guy tears.

It's like, okay, you're, why are you upset?

? It's makes no sense.

His daughter's little angel.

that's why.

I know that's why exactly.

The world can't be molded fully by you, sir.

but yeah, the most overt, think because it has to establish

the vibe at the camp, right?

Of the classes at the vibe is the scene in the restaurant in the beginning

where they're like, oh, and you're gonna go to college and here's the thing.

And you grope their daughters, do whatever the fuck you want with them.

And then the dance instructor crew comes in, we're like, dude, do, we're poor.

And then lower class and they're like, don't fuck.

Touch the girls.

like, God.

Like it's really obscene.

Yes.

I don't think I caught that in previous viewings, but when

I watched it, I was like, you're telling them explicitly to like

have relationship with the daughters

. Yale guys.

Exactly.

And then the hands off.

Keep your hands

It's crazy.

And you're like, nevermind that you're teaching them to dance, so

you literally have to touch them.

Whereas a waiter probably shouldn't touch your page.

And, you know, also, it's so easy to, I don't know, like this type

of place doesn't exist anymore, but I feel like when I went to visit like Yellowstone

National Park, there was tour guides, for kayaking or, you know, whatnot.

And they were all like young people, , I would say like under.

25 as like most of them.

It's like the Olympic Village in there, like everybody's hooking up

with everybody and , I can only imagine these hot dancers with these Yeah.

Like of course like rich daughters who are their for something.

Like they gotta do something all summer.

So I like, if this were a real place, like there's no doubt in my

mind that like everybody would be hooking up with the dance instructors

cuz they're the hottest guys.

And like some of them are probably trying to snag like a Harvard, Yale guy.

But if you're only there for the summer, you're probably

trying to get the hottest one.

And that's Johnny

That's Johnny Guess

It is.

But I wonder like the sixties, so Robbie's a total dick.

The whole movie, his comment about some people count and some people

Oh yeah.

Oh.

Oh my God.

Huh.

and

It's pretty relevant.

I mean, it's pretty poignant.

Like it seems like such a throw, like, you know, like, oh my God, that guy's a dick.

But I I did write that down and I was like, wow.

That's like the premise for so many, political positions.

oh, Yeah.

It is though.

I mean, that, that is in groups and out groups.

yeah.

It's funny cuz it's so, like you said, Katie, when you're

watching this, there's so many , overt things that you're like, wow, they just

called, they just said it like that.

And that line struck me as that if I watched this at the time, you're like,

okay, well that was just like exposition.

I think it's implied that's how he thinks.

He didn't really have to say it like that, but flash forward to now, that's

how our political sphere operates.

We're like, no more are we wink, nudge, nudging.

Like everybody's just putting it out there.

Some people count, some people don't , you know, it's so messed

up , but it fits with Robbie.

well, and you know, Lauren, to your point about everybody would be hooking

up like the hot guys, but apparently this theme of classism in the movie is

that would be considered slumming it

Mm,

as Robbie states.

And it's just crazy.

Like there's certain people that are acceptable.

And certain people that aren't.

It's just mind boggling.

I mean it, but yeah, it's like overtly said so, but, also in

the movie the entertainment staff, they return the contempt.

They hate these,

People.

So there's Yeah.

when they're having their like when baby first, when

she's carrying the watermelon, which is also such a good scene.

Like we haven't talked about that, but it's like, so

Oh, I know.

baby cousin like drops it and catches it.

yeah.

the

It's such a random like,

Ugh.

It's so iconic.

I feel like also for fans of this movie, but when they, when she walks

into their party and it's much more fun than what she was doing, it's

so, I feel like that is used so much.

The thing that I think of is always Titanic when rose do a BCA goes to

the third class party and it's so much better than her dinner with Kathy Bates.

I feel like that's often a piece that's used in film.

And here it's it's done in a nice unique way cuz they're not, they're

also not like, get outta here, but they're not like building their

party around her like this is because they wanna hang out with each other.

And like you said, Katie, they don't really wanna spend time, they

don't need to with these people.

Well, not even that, but they're more concerned that

she's gonna get them in trouble.

Right.

Yeah.

At least three times.

Like, what is she doing here?

She, you know, she could be trusted, all of that.

Right?

a whole theme, which again, super relevant.

They're like, okay, I don't mind you being here, but don't fuck up our business.

Yeah.

Don't be a narc.

Tell me,

Yeah.

I thought it was brilliant.

Like d directing choice or the camera work of when she enters that party

and the way that they pan around to the different couples and them just

it's through her eyes we're shown.

It's amazing because we're also just like immediately immersed in it.

There is a little bit of

Mm-hmm.

But it like, in way, like, damn, they are really,

this is really like they're

It's

This dancing is dirty.

Yeah.

it is dirty, but it looks so fun,

you know what that shot reminded me of?

The opening the door and then suddenly you're in her eyes is the Wizard of Oz.

like Dorothy opens the door and it turns from black and or c p o whatever to color.

It's like, you're getting pulled into the world as she's

seeing it, which is pretty cool.

So

true.

that's That's my film analysis contribution.

you guys are smarter.

You guys have a show that is that is a smarter show than mine.

So thank you for elevating retro made,

I could bring it back down if you want.

On that.

I, that was one of my favorite scenes, I think, is that scene , we're shown

all these dance couples and they're all like, have their own kind of style.

And I had a favorite dance couple.

Did you guys ever when this, like, oh, I like this couple the best.

which, who?

Who was it?

Who

Yeah.

was the they both have really dark hair and they're both thin.

I don't know if they're Italian or something.

Like they kind of have that

Uhhuh.

and she has the skirt.

They both have dark clothes on and she, it's almost like polka dots that

the girl has on with flowy skirt.

Anyway.

If anyone, if anybody listening, if this was your favorite

dance couple, let me know

It's, I think it's, I'm reminded of a chacha in Greece, I

feel like a little bit, but like some of the moves, a lot of this actually

like similar, vibe and whatnot.

But there were a couple times where I was like, this does

feel very grease adjacent to me.

And the few of the couples in the, that scene, I was like, yeah,

that reminds me of the dance.

And obviously they're in high school so they get censored, but in this

place they can do whatever they want.

Yeah, like 40 year olds playing

Yeah.

That's

Yeah, exactly.

Still a thing.

Now, do people, caught note of this because we're American and people

tend not to take a very long vacation here, they are there for three weeks.

Did you guys think that was odd or is that,

so I actually am I'm rewatching Mad Men.

It like just happened to be, which is interesting it was funny that

they kind of lined up same time.

Yeah.

So I think that it's actually, I mean, I still feel like people in

New York City, at least like super h like executives will just go to

their shore houses for August and now it's like, oh, I can work from home.

But I feel like that's kind of always been a bit of a thing not in the way

that like Europeans do, where like you're actually not expected to work.

But there are some allowances that, I think it's classes, but like

for a certain level of corporate employee that we just kind of allow.

So I was thinking that I dunno, like since he's a doctor, maybe it was like I.

Easy enough.

And he seems like obviously a very established doctor

that they could get away.

And I feel like in Mad Men, they do basically they talk about how

some of the younger executives are staying in the city for the month of

August, but nobody else is in town.

I think it's 63 the year that they're currently in.

So, I feel like it actually,

is 63

yeah, it's the same time.

Yeah.

So like culturally, I think it probably was a thing for people of a certain class.

Oh, for sure.

Yeah, Jerry Beck's.

Like, it feels like, don't know if he works in a hospital,

Well, he just got his doctor bag with him.

just, yeah, I mean, whatever.

He ended up working on his vacation anyway,

He's just got the perfect medicine to cure a botched

abortion with one shot too.

Love that

Definitely has it in a little bag.

Totally fine.

Jesus Christ.

I love that.

Yeah.

Oh, the doctor bag.

Did he play a doctor on Golden Girls?

No,

On Golden Girls.

he was the second appearance of Dorothy's was married and would

not break up with his wife lover

Was he a teacher?

that guy, right?

Okay.

Ah.

A gorgeous gym teacher.

They talk about it cuz it's Alex Rocco for the first,

Yep.

That's right.

Cuz he goes a gorgeous gym teacher.

And it just cuts to Blanche going Oh, shivering

Oh, blanche.

I love it.

But yeah, I guess they don't like really reiterate his

profession when Jerry Orba comes and plays, you know him again.

But does that perfect, you know, oh, one half of my block was Italian.

We were, you know, one half was Irish.

We took turns beating each other up after school.

You know,

I love it.

very New York.

him with someone else who played a doctor who came like with a doctor

bag to help Sophia with something.

Yeah.

I know exactly who you're talking about.

It's similar bag,

Elliot made a ship in the bottle.

Anyway

I have a que like a legit question.

I was confused by also, one of my favorite scenes is the first dance

that Johnny and Penny do together.

They come in and they do the mambo

And it's so hot.

Like it's

Yeah.

Really good

and she, I just wanna be like thrown around like a

ragdoll, like she is with Johnny.

Like, she's such a tiny little thing too, but why?

Like, people are super into it, but Max and he tells 'em

to cool it or to cut it off.

And Neil, who's standing with babies says something like, oh.

Oh, I don't know why they're showing up together that's not gonna sell lessons.

And

Yeah.

like mesmerized by it and I'm sure.

Shit.

It is gonna sell lessons.

So why, like, what's their issue with it?

Like they're a I don't

I took it as, I took it as, all right, bear with me with this

analogy here cuz I'm in marketing and I came from the nonprofit world.

like, we, you know, like in, in nonprofits, like if you have a donation

brochure and it looks like shit, you're, you know, like poorly designed,

kind of like really cheaply done.

People are gonna be like, well you're not a serious organization, right?

So I can't give you money.

But there was always talk of like, if you got a super sleek, really well

designed asking for money brochure, people are gonna be like, you don't

need the money because you're like,

Oh,

you're so well off.

Right?

So I feel like he, max is probably arguing like there's this balance.

Like if they look too good, none of the patrons are gonna be able to see

themselves as one of the partners.

And like, there's not even a, like a reason to take dance lessons.

That's how I interpreted it.

Right?

Like, if they're too good, they basically box out their market.

Cuz they're like, I'll never be like you

Like, it's not that great.

thought of that.

they have to be like, good, but approachable.

Good.

That's how I thought of it.

So

That

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I don't know what did you think, Lauren?

I, I didn't really think much about it.

I think I think that sounds right.

I also feel like there's so much like tension there and nobody was,

which actually there's, as we know, there's actually not, but that

people will be similarly , put off by pursuing it because they won't see

themselves with either one of them.

coupled them?

You mean

Okay, got it.

I thought you meant

But like same.

and Johnny, but obviously

No.

But same, I mean, same basic premise.

Like they couldn't imagine themselves in there, so they're not gonna wanna do it.

but I don't know.

I feel like it's I, Katie, I agree.

I feel like it's like, what?

What do you mean?

I feel like everybody's into this

Yeah.

As she's standing there

Yeah.

Yeah.

She legit is like a mouth agape,

god, what am Yeah.

Totally.

And she's super jazzed to find out they're not a couple.

Who wouldn't be?

Oh my God I can feel that exact scenario.

You're like, amazing hot guy.

Oh, fucking hot girl.

Oh my God.

They're not together.

You know, like progression of the, like the rollercoaster of emotions.

It's

And he's still nice to her.

Double bonus.