In this episode, Dr. Jane Levesque, a naturopathic doctor and natural fertility expert, delves into the complex issue of recurrent pregnancy loss, particularly unexplained cases. Drawing from personal experience and professional practice, Dr. Levesque discusses the emotional and physical toll of multiple miscarriages and challenges the conventional medical approach that often leaves women unsupported. She explores potential root causes such as immune system issues, clotting factors, egg and sperm quality, and psychological components. Dr. Levesque emphasizes the importance of thorough testing, holistic health assessments, and specialized care to address these issues and improve fertility outcomes naturally.

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Key Takeaways

00:00:00: Introduction and Personal Story

00:01:02: Addressing Recurrent Pregnancy Loss

00:03:34: Debunking Myths Around Miscarriages

00:09:12: Importance of Understanding Root Causes

00:15:17: Egg and Sperm Quality

00:18:51: Physical and Structural Components

00:19:22: Psychological Components

00:27:02: Generational Impact on Fertility

00:31:07: Importance of Detoxification

00:34:10: Rebuilding and Repairing Cells

00:35:41: Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Memorable Quotes

"Most women are left alone and unsupported and lost and scared and just told that it happens. It's normal. There's nothing you can do about it. There's no testing that needs to be done. You need to have three miscarriages before you can be considered for any kind of help."

"I believe with every bone in my body that pregnancy is a natural process. So if it's not happening or if it's not sticking, something is missing."

"The greatest determining factor for egg quality is actually the health and the well-being of the maternal grandmother. That's how far back it goes."

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Pregnancy is a natural process. So if it's not happening or if it's not sticking, something is missing. After having a family member go through infertility and experiencing a miscarriage myself, I realized how little support and education women have around infertility. I want to change that. I'm Doctor Jane Levesque. I'm a naturopathic doctor and a natural fertility expert. Tune in every Tuesday at 09:00 a.m. for insightful case studies, expert interviews, and practical tips on how you can optimize fertility naturally. If you've been struggling with infertility, pregnancy loss, women's health issues, or you just want to be proactive and prepare yourself for the next big chapter in your life, this show is for you. All right, you guys, today I want to talk to you about recurrent pregnancy loss and more importantly, unexplained recurrent pregnancy loss. So this is a really painful one. There's a lot of lack of testing. There's a lack of explanation. It can create a lot of trauma. It creates a lot of fear about, you know, the possibility of being able to grow your family and have a child. And I think that when we as women, I mean, I've gone through one miscarriage, and I thought that was a really traumatic and powerful experience to go through. And I was fortunate enough to have it be an empowering experience after I got the right tools and reached out for the right help. But it's because I was already a naturopathic doctor, and I had colleagues and I had friends who, who I could reach out to that I do not believe that's the case for most women. Most women are left alone and unsupported and lost and scared and just told that it happens. It's normal. There's nothing you can do about it. There's no testing that needs to be done. You need to have three miscarriages before you can be considered for any kind of help. But in reality, after you've experienced three miscarriages, for most women, that's going to happen in at least a year, but more likely in two years. That's two years of insane amount of pain and suffering and feeling. Feeling frustrated and being left behind. And so I just want to debunk that right away. And obviously, that's one of the things that I did when I had a miscarriage. And I was told that it was normal, which, in fact, it is. It is a normal part of our fertility journey. It is not normal to experience multiple miscarriages, especially in a row, but having a miscarriage is not. Does not mean that you're broken and does not mean that you're not meant to have a child. It just means that particular pregnancy was actually not a successful one. There was something that was off, whether it's with the egg, with the sperm, with the environment, that it was just not the right time for you at that moment in time. It doesn't mean that there is no moment in time that is going to be correct. But like I said, I really want to debunk some myths around that you don't have to get help. I get help right away. I was fortunate enough to be able to run my own lab work, so I ran lab work right after my miscarriage and I timed it for the second half of the cycle because I wanted to see if my progesterone rose and if it was in good levels, what was happening with my thyroid. I wanted to see if my miscarriage was a fluke, aka it's just something that I had to experience and go through and there was some mental and emotional stuff that came up for me versus it is something that's going to continue to happen. And my first pregnancy was the fluke that happened because I experienced my miscarriage after having my first daughter. And so I think we have all these tools that we can actually rely on, but we're asking the wrong people for help because we're asking the conventional system. So in this episode, I'm going to go through some of the possible causes and how I personally, in my practice, approach recurring pregnancy loss, just to give you guys ideas to see if there's maybe something that you're missing. Like I said, if you are listening to this and you're struggling with recurring pregnancy loss, my heart goes out to you. I think it is one of the worst things to struggle with. Yes, unexplained infertility, yes, having painful periods, but losing a baby over and over and over again, I think it can just be so traumatizing. So I hope that this episode helps you maybe understand what are some possible root causes for you guys as a couple and some of the things that might be missing. But what I will say about the approach in general and the conventional system, that you have to have three miscarriages in a row in order to be able to qualify for some testing. Genuinely, I just don't think conventional system has the means and the resources to help with fertility issues, period. Not just recurrent pregnancy loss, but any fertility issues. Now, I'm not saying that there is no time and place for it. But if I look at fertility as a disease, it's usually a disease of an imbalance and of some sort of depletion. So whether it's nutrients, hormones, inflammation, there's infections, which causes more depletion. And if you look at how the conventional system approaches disease, it's to basically patch it up. So if you come into your doctor and say, have hormonal imbalances, you're prescribed birth control. If you say you have anxiety or depression, you're given an antidepressant or anxiolytic. If you say you have high cholesterol, they're just giving you medication to decrease cholesterol. Where fertility, I believe it with every bone in my body that pregnancy is a natural process. So if it's not happening or if it's not sticking, something is missing. And by patching up symptoms doesn't get to the root cause and it doesn't allow the body to do what it's designed to do when we are in fact just trying to suppress it. So if you have issues with hormonal imbalances like estrogen dominance, it's a popular term that people are using, women are using and being diagnosed with or low progesterone or whatever, the imbalance that your low testosterone pcos, if we're just given birth control, we're never getting to the root cause. As to why your estrogen is dominating all the other hormones, why your progesterone is low, why you're not producing testosterone, we as women need to have testosterone. We're not going to have as much as males, but we need to have good levels of testosterone for our libido, for egg quality, for to have motivation, to have muscle mass, to have bone mass, to have good focus for our metabolism. Now, of course, if we have too much testosterone, that's a different imbalance. And you're going to have things like unwanted hair growth, and you're going to have a lot of inflammation and cystic acne and mood changes and irritability. You'll probably also will have a really great libido and you'll probably have a lot of muscle mass. But it's, there is an imbalance because there's other symptoms that are coming with it that are, you know, quote unquote unwanted. And so my whole point is that the conventional system is not going to treat the root cause. It's just kind of patching up those symptoms. And if we want to get pregnant naturally and not only get pregnant, but have a good pregnancy where we feel empowered and in control, and we actually get to experience this incredible, beautiful thing that our body is capable of. We have to have a good relationship with our body before we even get pregnant because pregnancy is super stressful. It is the hardest thing that the female body will ever do. It is the most complex thing that the female body will ever do. And I see a lot of women always say, I should be able to do this. Well, all the other women can do it. And just because you see other women being able to do it does not mean that it was easy for them. It does not mean that pregnancy is good or the postpartum was good, or that their birthing experience and connection with the baby was good. And I think I'm a very good example of that, because I had no issues getting pregnant with my first. And then I had a pregnancy. What I would consider, like, just threw me off. It rocked me. I was sick, I had cold sores, I didn't feel well. I felt inconvenienced, I felt uncomfortable, and my labor was super traumatic. And I had postpartum depression, which I didn't even realize I had postpartum depression until I was out of it. And it was like, oh, I don't think I was supposed to feel this way. And if somebody was out from outside looking in, they would say, oh, man, she had a beautiful pregnancy. Look at her baby and how healthy it was, and she must be so happy, where in reality, that's not how I felt. And so we don't want to compare ourselves to what's going on with other people. I want you to just understand that pregnancy is a complex thing that the body is doing and that it is the hardest thing that the body will ever do. And so if there's symptoms and issues that pop up during pregnancy or postpartum, it's like a window into the future. I see women all the time, and I have a podcast on secondary infertility and why that might be happening. And we'll leave that topic. I'll save that conversation for that podcast for you guys to listen. But we have to get awareness and in tune with our body if we want to fully experience what it's capable of. We have to fully experience what it is going through right now and when we're going through recurrent pregnancy loss. Like I said, I believe that pregnancy is a natural process. If it's not happening or if it's not sticking, there is something that's missing. And my advice to you would be to stop trying so you can recover from the trauma that's happening. And you can stop numbing yourself and instead start digging in deeper and understanding what are the emotions and the feelings, and, you know, all of what is the stuff that's coming up, and what do we need to address? Is there physical aspects we need to address? Is there mental and emotional aspects or spiritual aspects that we need to address? Because, like I said, I believe that there is something that's missing. And so let me dive into some of the possible root causes. This is what I'm seeing in my practice. This is what we see in research a lot. And I'll talk to you about the testing and some, you know, assessments that I do and how I approach it. Again, remember that each couple is going to have their own unique challenges. So this is just what I'm seeing in practice, what I'm seeing in research. Not all of these things are going to apply to you. It could be three or four things. It could be just one thing. But again, if you're feeling that something is missing and something is wrong, you're right. And if you want to stop experiencing the same pain over and over again, we have to figure out what that is. And usually that means you have to get more help involved in people who specialize in this area. You got to get testing, you got to get a health assessment and be involved together as a couple, because I promise you, it is not just a u issue, a female issue. We see a lot of recurrent pregnancy loss. And I'll share a case with you that recently just got pregnant. And I was blown away how quickly they got pregnant. And I believe it was because we really boosted the partner's sperm and his DNA fragmentation that they are able to carry. They have a long way to go that she's at like seven and a half weeks. But it's a much better pregnancy than what she has had in the last five losses that she experienced. And her numbers are really good, like her estrogen, her progesterone, and then her HCG numbers are really good. HSG numbers. Okay, so here's some possible root causes. Immune system is going to be huge, you guys. Immune system, whether it's autoimmunity or low immune function, the first reaction of the egg in the sperm is that of the immune system. There's receptors, vitamin D receptors on both the oocyte and the sperm, so on the egg and the sperm. And that the immune system is the first interaction that happens that knows if this is going to be an acceptable match. And so there is such a thing where the female immune system is overactive so as soon as there is a sperm, which is a foreign body that comes into the female system, it reacts. So it actually just destroys the sperm that's coming in because it thinks it's a foreign body and it needs to destroy it. There's also something like, once the fertilization occurs, the female body will mount a reaction to the embryo because it is another foreign body. So the function, a healthy function of the immune system is going to be critical. And that's true, honestly, for somebody who's trying to conceive versus someone who continues to get pregnant and miss scary. But the first reaction of the egg and the sperm is that of the immune system. And there's a lot more to unpack in order to understand why is my immune system not functioning the way that it should, whether it's suppressed or, you know, it's overreactive? The next thing that we see a lot in research and in practice is clotting factors. So if there's issues with clotting for the female, there's of course, going to be a genetic component. But I also look at liver function. So liver does so many different things for us, including producing clotting factors. So if we have a liver that's overburdened and there's clotting issues and there's a genetic predisposition to that. And the reason that clotting is a problem is because there is a lot with embryogenesis. With the development of the embryo, there's a lot of blood flow that happens. There's an increase in blood volume and also, obviously, the formation of the placenta that we have to make sure that we're not hypercoagulating. So we're not. Then it's clots, essentially, and then there's lack of blood flow to the baby. And if there's no blood flow to the baby, we can't get nutrients and that baby can't grow. So that's why clotting factors are important to. To rule in or to rule out if that is one of the reasons that you might not be able to carry the pregnancy to term. The next thing is egg and or sperm quality. So both egg quality or sperm quality can impact the ability of the replication, the embryogenesis that has to happen. So the development of the embryo. There's so much replication that happens when we're seeing a lot of sperm fragmentation, the sperm DNA fragmentation. Essentially, what has to happen is the egg then has to fix the DNA fragmentation. And so the oocyte is this fascinating cell where the sperm once it penetrates the egg and the fertilization happens. What the egg does is it will go in and will fix any sperm fragmentation issues. And then fertilization technically occurs, starts, and then the embryo genesis moves forward so that embryo starts to develop. So if the egg isn't very good quality, it's not going to be able to fix those sperm fragmentation pieces. And so basically, even though there is the beginning of fertilization that happens, it's not going to move on to the next process because again, in the first trimester, you guys, in the first couple of weeks of pregnancy, especially those, you know, week 76789, right, when that HTT hormone is really rising, literally the entire nervous system for the baby develops, all of the vital organs develop. If you think about that like, it's insane, right? And this is the time where most women are not able to eat a lot of nutrients. They're not able. So we're so focused on getting pregnant when in reality, once you get pregnant, you're so sick or you're so tired and you can't get all the nutrients in, and then you feel guilty because you're like, oh, my God, I know all this is happening, but I can't, you know, get the nutrients in. This is why we need to make sure we take the time to prepare so our baby can actually feed from our tissues. But genuinely, your own energy, your own health levels, your inflammation, your nutrient status is going to reflect the quality of the egg. And what I see in practice, and, you know, even some other clinicians and mentors that I follow, is when the quality of the egg is really high, it can make up for a poor quality sperm. But if we have a really high quality sperm, but the quality of the egg is really poor, it's not. The chances of having a healthy conception is not as strong. So we always do need to bring that quality of the egg up higher. But I've seen, and I'll share my case with you at the end here, where sperm quality is becoming a huge, huge issue and most men have no idea about it. Most couples have no idea because they're told that their sperm is normal, even though when you look at the sperm analysis, like, horrific and it's barely in the normal range and it's compared to like, the lowest possible numbers, that is considered normal. So for a 30 year old, I would say that those are really bad numbers in terms of volume or morphology or concentration. This is why I put out a lot of content for male fertility and making sure that you understand the sperm analysis, making sure you understand blood work. You run proper assessment, because most people have no idea how unhealthy they are, and their doctor just tells them, oh, you're fine. This is why, again, I say, I don't think conventional medicine has a place for fertility, because fertility, especially for us women, comes like it needs to come from a place of abundance and vitality, and conventional system just doesn't have anything to offer when it means to. Here's how you improve your energy, here's how you improve your hormones, here's how you improve your digestion, here's how you increase vitality and vibrance in your body. They're like, you have this problem, take this medication. Oh, you don't. It's not a bad enough problem, you're fine. You know, once it becomes bad enough, then come see us. And to me, it's like that just doesn't go hand in hand with fertility, where it's literally going to be the hardest thing that your body has to do. So quality of the egg and quality of the sperm are really important. And I've seen lots of women blame themselves, when in reality, we look at the quality of the sperm and it's like, hey, there's some work to be done here. And it might be for a while to fix the issue as to why the sperm is poor quality, whether it's medication, whether it's lifestyle, you know, diet, stress levels, poor hormones, the same things that happen for women happen for men. They're just not as in tune because they don't have this menstrual cycle every month that reminds them of issues. They're cycling daily. And so it's slowly but surely things are getting worse and they just don't tune in enough to be like, oh, yeah, I am not feeling good. Oh, yeah, I am losing my hair, or, yeah, I have gained 20 pounds in the last couple of years, or I don't really have energy to work out anymore, or my joints do hurt all the time, or I do get nauseous after eating, whatever. It's just something that they've gotten used to live with. And then there is physical components in actual structural components that could be preventing the pregnancy from lasting. So adhesions, fibroids, cysts, really thick lining. Really thin lining. So that's going to come down to, let's say, high estrogen levels or low progesterone. And so there's root causes to that, to really dig and understand why those things are happening. And then there's also a psychological component, I believe to every disease and infertility and recurrent pregnancy loss absolutely has a psychological component. There could be traumas that we're holding onto subconsciously, mental and emotional stress. There's things that we might not be admitting to ourselves. There are beliefs that we might have about ourselves. And so we have this painful experience that brings us into this really deep negative hole every month or every three months or every six months, however long it's happening for you, where in reality, there's something to learn, something to discover, something to understand, instead of. Sometimes we just focus on the physical, and we forget that there is a psychological component to every disease. And so, honestly, out of all the root causes that I mentioned, so immune system clotting factors, egg and sperm quality, physical adhesions, blocks, fibroids, cysts, or psychological components, I rarely find that it's just one that's causing the issue, especially when we're looking at recurrent pregnancy loss. I rarely find also that it's all of them. There is usually a couple prominent ones. And so how do you figure out what your root causes as a couple is? Well, you need to do some testing, and you need to do some. A proper health assessment, a practitioner that you can trust, a practitioner that specializes in this area. I see and hear this all the time from my patients and my followers, you guys, where you're like, I worked with a naturopath, but they don't specialize in fertility. And so I used to be the naturopath that didn't specialize in anything, because I just wanted to see everybody and help everybody. And I believe that natural medicine could help everything and everyone, and I still believe that. But there are branches to each natural medicine, and there are specialties for a reason, because when now being in the fertility space since 2020, so four years, I see certain patterns. I see certain psychological patterns of women feeling unworthy, having certain levels of trauma, feeling like they're spread thin, they're people pleasers. They're putting out a lot of energy. I also see a lot of patterns in terms of the toxins that they're exposed to and what's going on in their gut versus in their liver and how that's impacting their immune system. So there's patterns in every category, if you will. And so when I was a naturopath who saw everybody and anybody, I couldn't really spend time researching all of those in depth, because what kids are going through is different than what teenagers are going through than, like, a 20 year old who's just trying to balance their hormones versus someone who's in perimenopause or menopause or whatever, right? Like, or through pregnancy. And so what I found myself is that I was spreading myself thin and I wasn't doing a good job at. I wasn't doing a great job. Let's say I was doing a good job, but I wasn't doing a great job in each of those areas. And I wanted to be great at something. And so I do think that there is something to say about a specialist in the area because you are literally spending all of your time and energy researching just one area. And trust me, there's still a lot of stuff to research. Like, I'm constantly learning and I'm constantly blown away by, like, oh, my God, I didn't know this. And there's this piece of information about endometriosis that I didn't know or low progesterone or mitochondrial function or whatever. And if I continued to research all different, you know, illnesses and disease and age groups, it would just really dilute that message for me. So I do think that there is something to say about a practitioner that specializes and obviously a practitioner that you can trust, because this isn't just a physical journey. This is going to be a spiritual journey, mental, emotional connection that you have to have and you have to trust that practitioner to be able to open up. I just went to a conference, exponential clinical outcomes, where I spoke on the stage about unexplained infertility. And there was a bunch of practitioners who talked about their patients lying to them, like, not opening up about their full history. And my first thought was like, well, I guess that this patient doesn't trust you because I don't have any patients who are lying to me on purpose anyways. They might not disclose all the information because they don't think that it's relevant or that it's important. But when. When you feel like you're withholding information because you can't trust a practitioner, I think that can actually really impact your healing journey and you need to be aware of that, whether it's the you don't trust the practitioner or maybe you didn't think it was important, I'll tell you that it is important. Like, everything is important and it is absolutely important that you can trust and open up to your practitioner. So before, here's my wish for you guys. Before you invest into any kind of treatment, you actually invest into lab testing. I just share with you the most common reasons as to why you might be experiencing recurring pregnancy loss. And what I see, is a lot of people start to invest into treatment without truly understanding the root cause of why they are experiencing the pregnancy losses. So here's what I have found in my clients. I see a lot of mold, a lot of yeast, a lot of inflammation, a lot of heavy metals, parasites, high chemicals, and toxin accumulation over years, which is, of course, going to impact both egg quality and sperm quality. And your immune system function and your ability, like your detoxification organs like the liver, like the gut, like the kidneys. And so, like I said, it's not one thing that's going to impact it and cause your recurrent pregnancy loss, but it's usually multiple components. And then there is the genetic variation, like, you're more predisposed to having liver issues because your parents, your mom, your grandma, your granddad, whatever, they had these issues, and we've basically just passed them on. And then our bad lifestyle, stress, environmental toxin load accumulation over the years has really impacted that fertility. When it's decades, it's not just years. I think it's decades most people underestimate. And when they start talking about their history, they're like, this is what's been happening in my fertility journey for the last five years. And it's like, okay, but what happened in the first five years of your life or the first couple of decades? And when you go back to that, I can't tell you how many of my patients had parents who smoked inside the house or smoked while they were pregnant, which is a huge chemical exposure and obviously toxin exposure. How many patients had a lot of trauma, whether it was family issues or there was a war that broke out when they were young, or there was some other stressor that happened. And we think that our infertility issues are just what's happening for us, us with us right now, where in reality, there are decades of things that happened before that has led us up to this point. And so now you're dealing with infertility. But if we look at how long have you had hormonal imbalances, how long have you had digestive issues, how long have you had skin issues? How long have you had weight issues? And people are like, all of my life. All of my life, I had these issues, and my mom also had these issues, and so did my grandma. And so it's this generational disease that we're really dealing with. And if we only look at the history for the last five years of what's been happening, you're probably going to miss the true root cause of why it's going on and then you're not going to really set yourself up for success because you're going to think that, well, it's only been happening to me for a couple of years, so I should be able to fix it in a couple of months. And that's just not realistic, where in reality it's like, hey, it's going to take a year and it might take even longer because this is a generational issue. If your grandma has been dealing with this and your mom has been dealing with this and you're the unfortunate soul that is carrying the burden of this generation to deal and to truly heal it, what I like to say is like, well, you get to fix it. You now get, you have the opportunity to actually fix this issue and so we don't pass this on to the next generation. And a fun tidbit for you guys, especially when we're looking at egg quality. The greatest determining factor for egg quality is actually the health and the well well being of the maternal grandmother. So the greatest determining factor of egg quality for the female is the health and the well being of the maternal grandmother. That's how far back it goes. So there's lots of studies and there'll be more that will come out and show this, but it's really, really important to make sure that we're looking that far back. So, yeah, we need to do a proper health assessment and we need to test, I test environmental toxins, I test lots of blood work. I test gut function to help me understand what's going on. And I look at both people, I can't tell you how many males have so much stuff going on that they have no idea. And even their sperm quality sure isn't great. But when you look at their, like, environmental toxic load or their digestion, and it's like, oh, my God, like, there's so much going on. I don't even know how you don't have brain fog or you don't feel worse, but you definitely see the low testosterone. I've such low testosterone in males that I'm seeing now and lots of fatigue and weight gain and brain fog and, you know, mood irritability I had still working with this client, but, like, he would just get so mad. Like, he had such a short fuse. And all it was is like, he's just tired, like, he's sleeping better, his digestion is moving better, he's eating better, and like, his irritability went away because he was just tired, you know? So it's really simple things like that, but it makes a big difference. And so here's my approach just a little bit to help you guys understand. The first thing is we want to make sure we increase energy and mitochondrial function. Mitochondria is going to be at the root cause of any infertility issues. And both egg quality, sperm quality, your ability to detox, your immune system function, energy production, cortisol, which is your adrenal function. And so we want to make sure that your body has gas in the tank to be able do what we're going to ask it to do, not just to get pregnant, but to actually clear out the toxins and heal. It's going to take a lot of energy. And so we want to, right off the bat, I support that. I increased lots of drainage, and this is basically how quickly your body is able to get rid of stuff. I use the bathtub analogy a lot. Maybe you've heard me say it, but basically you're the goldfish that's swimming in the bathtub. And the water that's coming in is your environment. How clean is the water that you're drinking, the food that you're eating, the skin products that you're putting on your skin, the thoughts that you're thinking. Are you constantly thinking about worst case scenario, and are you in a really toxic work environment or even in a toxic relationship? Maybe it's family member, maybe it's your partner, but we want that water coming into the bathtub as clean as possible, because who wants to swim in dirty water? But that's just half of the equation. The other half is the drainage and the sewer. If your drain is clogged and has a bunch of hair and other stuff that's stuck in it, that water is just not going to go through. And doesn't really matter how clean the water coming in, you're gonna get stale water. And stale water is gonna create this film, right. We always want to make sure that there is drainage and things are moving through the body. And obviously, we don't want a sewer that's clogged, that's backing things up into the water. So the sewer is going to be your colon, the drain is going to be your liver, your gallbladder, your kidneys. Those are a great lymphatic system. Those are our drainage organs. And so that's the first step, is I really improve the drainage and I get your energy up, because we're going to need some help getting rid of stuff, and that's detoxing. You need to learn how to detox. You need to learn and understand how your gut function, how your liver functions, your gallbladder, your lymphatic system, the critical roles that they play in your health, and how every symptom that you're feeling is probably related to the fact that your detox organs are overburdened. And we definitely pass toxins on to the next generation. I think when I test a lot of people, especially when they're young in like, 26, and I see an insane amount of toxins in their body, I'm like, you haven't accumulated that in this lifetime. Like, you've started with a really high toxic load, and then you ate a poor diet because your parents didn't know any better. You've been drinking dirty water because, again, your parents didn't have to worry about those things. And so you assumed that because you didn't smoke, you didn't drink, you know, it. You're fine. And now that you've cleaned up your diet, in reality, those toxins, especially things like heavy metals, like, they will stick in your body for so long, for years unless you actually learn how to detox and get them out. So anywhere, you know, minimum three months. But sometimes it's nine months and sometimes it's years, like, it's a couple of years, depending on how deeply buried these things are. Remember, our body's going to try to protect us. It doesn't want to have these things hanging around. So when we see a lot of weight loss resistance, for example, the body is holding a lot of toxins in the fat, and so it's not releasing it because our drainage is not working well and it's not safe for the body to release it. So it's going to be ebbs and flows. You're not going to be detoxing the whole time, but there's going to be times to push, and there's going to be times to rest. And, you know, it's parasites, it's infections, it's chemicals, it's heavy metals, it's radioactive elements. We're exposed to a lot nowadays, you guys. And it's sad and it's unfortunate, but unless we become aware and we learn how to live in this new environment, it's not going to get any better because. Because when you're aware, the way that you make decisions is different. I don't just buy plastic bottles all the time because I know that's going to come back to me in my water as bpas or in my soil and into my, you know, vegetables and fruits that then I'm going to eat. And so you have to start making decisions that are good, not just for the. What's easy and convenient right now, but for the long term of your own health and obviously the health of the planet, which just reflects the way that we feel. It's like the reason that people are not feeling well. It's also the health of the planet isn't doing really well because we've dumped so many toxins. So we have to become aware and change some of these things. And then we really focus on rebuilding and repairing the cells and optimizing now the parasites, the infections, the chemicals, they're damaging cells. And why? One of the reasons I love cellcore, for example, as a company I use a lot is because number one, their function is. Is the core of the cell, is the mitochondria. So we're going to need to improve the function of the mitochondria. Anybody who's struggling with infertility is struggling with mitochondrial issues. And number two is that toxicities cause deficiencies. It's not take more b vitamins, take more vitamin c, take more glutathione, take more coq ten. Don't get me wrong, I use coq ten, but at the right time and place. Until we get these toxins out, until we get the drainage moving. Well, it's just, it's like that goldfish swimming in the dirty bathtub and you're sprinkling some high quality food and be like, if you have this food, you'll feel better. It's like, yeah, you'll feel better short term, but you're just going to need more and more and more of those nutrients just to keep that goldfish afloat. And so it doesn't make sense to me, right? It doesn't make sense. We need to make sure that we're actually doing the foundational stuff first, which is cleaning up the environment, optimizing detox function, improving the function of the mitochondria. And then we can really lean into the functional medical side, which is pouring all the vitamins and the nutrients to kind of speed up the process. So I hope you guys find this helpful and it gives you another approach to recurrent pregnancy loss and unexplained recurrent pregnancy loss. Remember, there is always an explanation. Just because the conventional system can't explain it does not mean that there is no explanation. But I do think if it's something that you are struggling with, you need help, you need testing, you need a practitioner that you trust. You need to do a proper health assessment for both you and your partner and you know, you need a roadmap outlined for you because it is a very traumatic thing to go through. And if you're going through it alone and you're working with practitioners who are just a holes, pardon my french. God, it makes it so much harder, and I wouldn't wish it on, you know, on my worst enemy. So I think you deserve to have the help that you need. It just might be time. It might take time for you to find somebody that's actually going to help. So, like I said, I hope you guys find this helpful to hear the possible root causes, the testing that I do, and the approach to help you solve and get to the root cause of your recurrent pregnancy loss. So you can get pregnant, conceive naturally, carry that baby to term, and actually get to meet your baby and enjoy the fruits of your labor, because it is a lot of work, and some of us have to, unfortunately, work really hard to meet our babies. But I do think that every energy, every little bit of energy, time, and effort that you put into it is 100% worth it. We just want to make sure we're not wasting those time, that time, energy, and effort and working with right practitioners. All right, that's it for this episode. Thanks so much for tuning in.