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The Tackle and the Tackle: Uniting Passions of Soccer and Fishing with Josh Phillips
Episode 99 • 2nd June 2023 • Ramble by the River • Jeff Nesbitt
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Get ready to dive into another riveting episode of Ramble by the River with your host, Jeff Nesbitt. In this week's installment, we sit down with the dynamic Josh Phillips to discuss his journey from playing soccer at Gonzaga University to starting a sales business during the pandemic. Along the way, we delve into topics like community-building in small towns, coping with sports injuries, and the intriguing world of fly-fishing culture. Buckle up as we explore everything from local politics to the captivating tale of Josh proposing during a meteor shower. We'll also touch on thought-provoking subjects like the use of CBD for dogs, the impact of central bank digital currencies, and the ever-relevant issue of student debt and loan forgiveness. And don't worry, there will be plenty of Jeff's signature rants, including a passionate tirade about plastic spoons. Get ready for an engaging, informative, and sometimes hilarious conversation you won't want to miss!

Topics to Enjoy:

  • Playing Soccer at Gonzaga University
  • Starting a sales business during a pandemic
  • Dating a kindergarten teacher
  • Moving to the Coast during COVID-19
  • Community-building in small towns
  • Coping with sports injuries
  • Soccer in the U.S.
  • Getting involved locally: Ilwaco City Council
  • Accountability in politics
  • Fly-fishing culture
  • Josh proposes during a meteor shower
  • Ban the Boom? No more fireworks for July 4?
  • CBD for dogs
  • Drugs: caffeine, alcohol, and more
  • Josh's red mystery pill
  • Jeff rants about plastic spoons
  • Central Bank Digital Currencies
  • Student debt and loan forgiveness
  • AI, crypto, and new technology
  • Blue fin tuna fishing

So grab your favorite beverage, kick back, and join us for another exciting episode of Ramble by the River. Stay tuned as we tackle these topics and more, bringing you insights, laughter, and the genuine camaraderie you've come to expect from our show.

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[00:00:00] Jeff Nesbitt: Hello, and welcome to another exciting episode of Ramble by the River. I'm your host, Jeff Nesbitt, and we've got a great show for you today.

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[00:00:48] I know. I am. I've been working a lot. Things have been very busy. I apologize, I haven't been posting many podcasts lately. It's just been really busy. I've hired some new people at work and I'm just getting them all set up and trained and all that, and things have just been very busy. So nothing bad's going on.

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[00:01:33] This Josh Phillips actually played professional soccer for many different teams. And now he runs the fly fishing shop in Ilwaco called Spawn.

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[00:02:02] Josh is active in the community. He regularly attends the Ilwaco City Council meetings where he likes to get involved and maybe shake things up a little bit. Sometimes he's even considering making a run for one of those seats. So look out for that and. I will say if he, uh, if he was in my district, he'd have my vote, but unfortunately I do not live within the city limits of Oaco, so I don't get a vote.

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[00:02:34] We cover a lot of topics in this podcast. We cover his soccer history, his, uh, current business, some of his political stances on things like ban the Boom.

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[00:03:04] So if you've been paying attention at all, I'm sure you have heard all the hubub about the debt ceiling. Right now in Washington DC people are freaking out because we are about to hit the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling is the philosophical limit on how much the United States can borrow to pay their bills.

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[00:03:43] So one might wonder what the heck are we supposed to do? Seems like there's only two real solutions. Either A, reduced spending, yeah, right. Or B, just jack up that dead ceiling. Bring it up a little bit. Add a little bit to the top.

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[00:04:30] They're not even really that rich. The magnitude of difference between a billion and a million can be illustrated with this. Easy example. Thinking about it is time. So a million seconds is the same as 12 days. A million seconds, 12 days, a billion seconds is 31 years. Think of how big of a difference that is.

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[00:05:01] When you think about it like that, it becomes hard to even wrap your mind around what 30 trillion could be like, what it would look like in cash. I doubt that amount of cash has ever existed in one place at one time. It's really like an imaginary number in a ledger somewhere that you and I and all the rest of America are expected to pay back at some point.

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[00:05:47] So what does that mean for the little guy like you and me? This article from The New York Times will explain just that

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[00:06:04] For millions of Americans with federal student loan debt. The payment holiday is about to end. Legislation to raise the debt ceiling, and cut spending includes a provision that would require borrowers to begin repaying their loans again by the end of the summer after a year's long pause imposed during the coronavirus pandemic.

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[00:06:40] 45 million people owe 1.6 trillion for such loans more than Americans owe for any other kind of consumer debt other than mortgages. The economic impact of the pandemic has faded since President Donald J.

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[00:07:12] Speaker Kevin McCarthy said on Fox News Sunday that it would end the pause on student loan payments within 60 days of being signed. In fact, the legislation would follow the same timeline that Biden administration had previously outlined. Ending the pause on payments on August 30th at the latest.

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[00:07:54] People who received Pell grants for low income families could qualify for an additional $10,000 in debt cancellation. But the plan was challenged in court as an illegal use of executive authority.

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[00:08:26] Republicans have vowed to block the president's plan if the courts do not, but they have so far failed to make good on that promise despite repeated attempts.

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[00:08:57] But the Senate has not taken up the measure, and Mr. Biden has said he would veto it instead the compromised debt ceiling. Legislation now under consideration by lawmakers only requires ending the pause on payments. A move that the president had already said he would make it would not block the debt cancellation plan.

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[00:09:36] House Republicans weren't able to take away a single penny of relief for the 40 million eligible borrowers whom make less than 75,000 a year. The spokesman, Abdullah Hassan said the administration announced back in November that the current student loan payment pause would end this summer. This agreement makes no changes to that plan.

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[00:10:20] Require payments to be made during this crisis will go away in August, which it already was going to.

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[00:10:44] And the answer to that is complicated. The implementation of A C B D C would mean the concurrent implementation of a global lack of digital security and privacy at a level that we have never seen before. In order for this system to work, you'd have to be able to verify identity and in order to verify identity digitally, there would have to be some new ways of doing that, either biometrically or with some sort of a digital id.

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[00:11:31] we don't wanna get left behind while China and Russia and Germany go off and establish all of these new ways of doing business in the new digital frontiers while we're here just digging in the dirt like a bunch of monkeys. No, no, no, no, no, no. So, Our fearless leaders over at the Federal Reserve have been hard at work developing A C B D C.

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[00:12:10] So this speech is from a conference hosted by the committee on payments and market infrastructure in Basel, Switzerland. On March 18th, 2021. So keep in mind, this is a couple of years old.

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[00:12:26] I would like to thank. Sir John Kunle and the Committee on Payments and Market Infrastructures for inviting me to close out the first day of this conference on pushing the Frontiers of payments. Last year, the group of 20, also known as G 20, asked the Financial Stability Board to coordinate the development of a roadmap on how the global community could enhance cross border payments.

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[00:13:02] Difficulty in managing payments across time zones and in certain areas, a reliance on outdated technology. Moreover, these frictions contribute to higher costs for cross-border transactions,

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[00:13:35] The goal of the FSB roadmap is simple to create an ecosystem for cross-border payments that is faster, cheaper, more transparent, and more inclusive. A year into the process, I'm encouraged that we are making meaningful progress.

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[00:14:05] The title of the first panel sets up the choice between improving existing rails or laying new tracks as the roadmap makes clear, one of the keys to moving forward will be doing both, improving the existing system where we can, while also evaluating the potential of and the best uses for emerging technologies. As an example, the Federal Reserve is working to improve the current system through the introduction of instant or fast payments via the Fed Now service.

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[00:15:00] Digital currencies are being conducted at the Board of Governors, as well as the complimentary efforts by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston in collaboration with researchers at M I T. In addition, a recent report from the Bank of International Settlements and a group of seven central banks, which includes the Fed, assessed the feasibility of CBDC in helping central banks deliver their public policy objectives.

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[00:15:38] improvements in the global payment systems will come not just from the public sector, but from the private sector, as well as today's second panel. Of Lions and unicorns described. The private sector has the experience and expertise to develop consumer facing infrastructure that improves and simplifies how the public engages with the financial system.

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[00:16:18] The cross-border payments machinery highlight that. Improving the system must be a collaborative effort. By definition, cross-border payments involve multiple jurisdictions, so it will only be through countries working together . Via all of the international forums, the group of seven, the G 20, the cpmi, the fsb, and others, that solutions will be made possible.

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[00:17:03] And as this conference amply demonstrates, despite the challenges of this last year, we still have been able to make important progress. I, look forward to working together as we improve these payments for businesses and individuals alike.

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[00:17:20] So it's become pretty clear that we will have a central bank digital currency available for use in the near future in the United States and abroad. You might find that exciting, you might find that scary, or you might not really care about it either way, but it's going to affect your life in most likely in more dramatic ways than you can realize.

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[00:18:03] We are not above a run on the banks. We're not above another stock market crash. We're not above another crypto crash. We are on some sketchy ground, so just be prepared and keep your ducks in a row.

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[00:18:29] this is written by Sabrina tapa, published seven hours ago

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[00:18:59] the crypto offers users a world ID to differentiate a person from an AI bot as well as a payment app where users can trade and buy W L D tokens. The cryptocurrency says it gives ownership to everyone and provides citizens around the globe an opportunity to prove their unique humanness. An ironic solution for a non-pro created by Altman's own AI projects.

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[00:19:42] Despite boasting evaluation of around 1 billion and recently coming close to raising an additional a hundred million for the project, the company has garnered criticism from privacy Advocates concerned about the long-term implications of biometric data collection.

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[00:20:17] Like other cryptocurrencies, world Coin has openly evangelized its potential to democratize finance in the name of information collection. Many people around the world don't have access to financial systems yet Crypto has the opportunity to get us there. World coin, c e O, Alex Blaney told Bloomberg.

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[00:20:55] An iris code, if you will. Bogart said Per default, the original biometric data is immediately destroyed, and the iris code is the only thing that leaves the orb. advocate. Edward Snowden is more critical of the technology. This This looks like it produces a global hash database of people's iris scans and waves away the implications by saying, we deleted the scans.

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[00:21:40] These orb operators have access to a variety of information on the World Coin Orb operator dashboard like registrations and rewards. Although world coin insists that no sensitive or personal user data was stolen in the hack,

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[00:22:04] still, perhaps World Coin is an alluring project for the right person. The company reportedly pays $15 to users in World Coin for a biometric scan. Even for people who are not privacy advocates, though that might be too low to fork over their privacy.

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[00:22:28] is entering the money game. We got some interesting stuff coming ahead, so just keep your eyes open and watch your bank account.

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[00:22:44] Well, that does it for news and current events. After a quick word from our sponsor, we'll get to the interview.

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[00:23:00] Please welcome the one, the only, well, I mean not the one and only, but he may not be the only one, but he's the best one. Please give it up for Josh Phillips.

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[00:24:10] I'm glad this worked out. Me too. Yeah, no, this is gonna be fun.

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[00:24:24] Josh Phillips: I have. Yeah. Sometimes I've said it before, like I've lived multiple lives it feels like in

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[00:24:30] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah.

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[00:24:41] Josh Phillips: uh, you're the expert. Tell me, tell me what to do within

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[00:24:47] Josh Phillips: on here.

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[00:24:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, defensive player of the year 2018. Is that correct? That is correct. That's the Wikipedia, uh,

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[00:25:06] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, let's see.

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[00:25:14] Jeff Nesbitt: season. What was your final season? Uh, 2015. 2015 then? Yeah, 2015. So you, uh, played for Gonzaga for four years. Yep. Sounds like you did very well

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[00:25:40] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Well, I, I think we should just chat for a little bit before we get too deep into it. Otherwise I'm gonna interrupt you. No, no worries. Uh, I'm too wired up from the day.

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[00:25:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Always

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[00:25:59] Huh? Plugged in 24 7 it seems like. But we are physically open today, so like the shop doors were open, which is, helps days go by faster. Get some people in and out and.

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[00:26:13] Josh Phillips: Uh, no. No, no. I wouldn't say so. I mean, we don't sell very much conventional tackle.

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[00:26:36] Jeff Nesbitt: I saw a gigantic fish jump in the lake today. Then I saw people were reeling it in, so it was flopping around, but huge. I've never seen one that big. Well, just while I was driving by.

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[00:26:49] Jeff Nesbitt: so they put these just, they're big monsters by

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[00:26:52] Yeah. It's like, I think it was last year, I, uh, went to the derby and there's like this little girl and she was like dragging a fish over her shoulder and it was touching the ground as she drug it up. The, that's grass. It was epic. Yeah, no, it was, it was really fun. Um, Yeah. And then the Kline line kids, uh, fishing organization, they, uh, were beyond generous and, uh, Donated 150 rods and we collaborated with them on that and gotta give every kid rod.

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[00:27:26] Jeff Nesbitt: me, tell me about that again. Um, sorry I was messing with my cord, but No, that was good. Yeah, I wanna make sure to get that clean. That sounds really awesome.

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[00:27:38] Um, he like loosely brought it up in conversation that he's part of this, uh, kids fishing organization. Um, and they kind of tap into grant money that usually isn't tapped into in the state it sounded like. And he asked if there's any kids specific fishing, uh, projects or events or anything along those lines out in our community.

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[00:28:16] Uh, spoke to the city and then like behind the scenes we kinda just like worked on making sure that this happened. Um, unfortunately we didn't know it was gonna happen for sure until like five days before the fishing derby, when the rods were announced. Um, but I didn't want to go from like this guy that like some people know saying like, oh, everybody's gonna go home with a rod and then just no rods.

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[00:28:40] Jeff Nesbitt: That you can't, you gotta deliver. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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[00:28:56] Jeff Nesbitt: So That's awesome. That's, it's always been a big event.

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[00:29:08] Josh Phillips: take

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[00:29:15] I've never fly fished in my life. It looks really calming and relaxing and

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[00:29:39] Yeah. So you're working on your casting, you're working on your flies, you're working on your drift.

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[00:29:47] Josh Phillips: Exactly. Have you ever, are you a reader? You know, I don't do a lot of reading.

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[00:29:55] It's like it, that's exactly what they're about.

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[00:29:59] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. It's just like a. The focus in the task is like, supposed to be the main thing. I don't know. I'm gonna cut this out anyway. No,

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[00:30:09] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, I, I just realized I talked about it in the last episode.

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[00:30:15] Josh Phillips: smart and I'm, there you go. Yeah, no, I, at some point I should dive into reading, but,

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[00:30:29] It takes me forever to read a whole book. Like, uh, cuz how often do you get time? Like two hours. Just sit down. It's true. Unless you don't have kids, do you not? No, not yet. You may be

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[00:30:48] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah.

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[00:30:56] Josh Phillips: Wow. To, uh, congratulations. Thank you. Yeah. Kylie Cunningham. Shout out to her. Shout out. Yeah. Uh, another teacher. Huh? Another teacher here. Kindergarten teacher at Long Beach Elementary.

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[00:31:10] Jeff Nesbitt: Congratulations.

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[00:31:23] Was

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[00:31:28] Josh Phillips: Uh, n Well, so we were living in Portland, um, and then we, I guess basically like ended a career. Mm-hmm. And then moved on to like a next chapter of my life. Kylie was in school at the time or was deciding to go back to school, um, and she said, um, That we could move anywhere.

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[00:32:08] But bowan halibut, tuna charter

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[00:32:12] Josh Phillips: boats or, uh, yeah. Sport boat. My father has a boat. Oh, cool. Cool. Yeah, it'll go in the water here pretty soon for the halibut season, so. Oh, right on. But yeah, and then I was like looking at places where we could relocate our business and there was an opportunity that came up in downtown Oaco and we made an offer on the building and it got rejected.

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[00:32:44] Jeff Nesbitt: the offer. So the market's been pretty up and down maybe. Was it during the, the going up or the going down part?

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[00:32:51] Josh Phillips: before it like, started going crazy, I would say. Oh, perfect. Yeah. No, it was, it was a good time, I think, uh, as a company to get in and establish ourselves as like a brick and mortar store. And then it's a big building. I don't know if you've been inside of it, it's like 5,000 square feet.

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[00:33:10] Uh, no. So odd. But it up to each

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[00:33:23] Jeff Nesbitt: up

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[00:33:30] I don't know. Maybe both. Yeah, just, just brushing up

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[00:33:48] Yeah. You

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[00:33:51] Jeff Nesbitt: of your heart? I got my kid a metal detector once, and I, I think they maybe used it once or twice and was like, this thing has no screen. It's just a bunch of beeps. I wasn't a part of it. They moved on.

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[00:34:04] And we were living in my parents' garage at the time. We renovated a little, uh, space about as big as the studio. It was real small. It was maybe a little bit bigger. Did you have a bathroom and kitchen? Yeah, but it was like, it was like this, there was no like a kitchenette. Yeah, yeah. No rooms just kind of a.

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[00:34:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Not a lot of privacy. Nowhere to hide to fart.

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[00:34:42] Although, like I moved here and, I mean, this area kind of shut down. I mean, my parents got a letter and it was like, Don't visit your beach house.

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[00:34:53] Josh Phillips: freaked out. Yeah. I was like, don't come. And we're, Kelly and I are like, packing our bags to move down.

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[00:35:05] Jeff Nesbitt: and we weren't talking to you, we were talking to like the lookie Losee, the people who weren't buying. They're just here to rent their Airbnbs and like they bring their own food. Yeah. They're not bringing in any cash. But you guys are actually part of the

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[00:35:18] Yeah. No, the, I, I feel that way now. It took, it took a while. Um, but I, when we moved here, so I just, just stopped playing soccer, uh, had long hair. Like, we

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[00:35:33] Josh Phillips: long, long. It'll make it actually

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[00:35:37] Josh Phillips: I didn't know that. Long hair. And then I met everybody. And then I had to put a mask on, and then I met everybody again, and then I decided to cut my hair off so I met everybody again. So I like went through this stage of like not knowing anybody or nobody knowing me. I know exactly what you mean for like two year period of time

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[00:35:55] Any, anybody who's ever gained or lost a lot of weight or cut off a lot of hair has gone through that. It's, it's a very strange feeling. It's like, no, it's me. I know you will. Like, we

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[00:36:20] Then got hired full-time.

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[00:36:27] Josh Phillips: Uh, no. No. Kylie was really fond of, uh, long Beach Elementary in the district itself.

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[00:36:36] You know, the

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[00:36:49] Jeff Nesbitt: sounds cool. She's out walking. Yeah.

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[00:36:52] Josh Phillips: Yeah. She's made a core group of friends, which is cool. That's

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[00:37:09] Have you been able to make friends? Yeah, I would say that. Um, not that you're a rando, I mean, no, I mean,

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[00:37:35] I don't think

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[00:37:49] Josh Phillips: know who you're talking about.

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[00:38:13] I, I don't think we would have as

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[00:38:16] community

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[00:38:26] Jeff Nesbitt: I, cuz we met at that dinner, which, yep.

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[00:38:45] And I, I was like, I don't know what I'm supposed to be like right now, but, and the food was good, but, um, yeah, it was a museum benefit or something like that, right? Yep, yep, yep.

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[00:38:56] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, shout out Columbia Pacific Heritage

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[00:39:08] At the museum. So he's super excited

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[00:39:13] Josh Phillips: Yeah, exactly. Um, but yeah, no, she, she reached out to us, um, cuz we're a business member. Um, and she's like, Hey, we have two extra tickets. Would you guys be interested? And I was like, absolutely. That sounds awesome. So,

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[00:39:27] That's cool. That's like a. That's exactly what you want when you're moving into a new

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[00:39:40] Jeff Nesbitt: um, I'll be honest, I considered asking you to do a podcast after that dinner because you talked a lot and you had stuff to say and I was just like, I gotta get this guy in here.

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[00:40:07] Not to mention the incredible mustache.

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[00:40:30] Uh, I love a, I love a bit. Yeah. I love a bit. So yeah. No, but yeah, no, it was, it was fun. And that was good meeting you guys there and appreciate you.

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[00:40:50] Josh Phillips: No. Yeah. Um, it really

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[00:41:07] Uh, it's actually a lot more intimate though. That's a cool thing. We should talk more about that. Uh, like your team, like Yeah. Do you miss

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[00:41:26] You know, it's you, you travel the country, you at Gonzaga, we grew up basically together. Like I came into Gonzaga as a boy to say the least, you know? Did you go to prep school or a private school somewhere? Nope, so I went to Capital Highschool in Olympia. Oh, okay. So went just a public school. Um, yeah. And then went to four years of playing there and then five years post Gonzaga.

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[00:42:13] Still watch some of the games and shoot shit. Do you still play around ever? You know, I don't, and I, I do miss that my body hurts, like

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[00:42:21] Josh Phillips: but I just, I just wake up and just hurt. Yeah.

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[00:42:34] Did you get hurt ever, or, or is it just from being old? No.

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[00:42:54] And it was like, yeah, that's a bad one. I couldn't sleep on my right side for two years after playing. That's so it was a disaster. Yeah.

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[00:43:07] Josh Phillips: muscles. I would like to though it's, it's actually shocking that they don't have a field on the peninsula.

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[00:43:15] Jeff Nesbitt: kick a ball. Yeah. Soccer somehow is very polarizing on the peninsula. I don't know if you've experienced that at all, but growing up it felt like there was always a, a debate like, will they have a Highschool soccer team? Won't they have a Highschool soccer team?

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[00:43:32] Josh Phillips: is the third year of the program. Yeah, it's third year. That's crazy. I know. It's nice to think about that. And I, and I brought that, they had me speak, uh, to the team recently at Chicos. Um, and I kind of said that it's like there seems like they were a little bit down having a tough year, and it's like that's just.

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[00:43:53] Jeff Nesbitt: it's still oaco, they're gonna lose a lot.

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[00:43:59] Jeff Nesbitt: good at all kinds of things. I'm, I'm an alumni in oc we can, I mean, we did lose a lot, but that's still just a joke for them. I'm sure they win all their games,

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[00:44:10] Yeah, it's a brand new program, so you kind of get to like, ride itself, you know? Yeah. It's like, it can be whatever you want it to be at this point. Mm-hmm. Um, and

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[00:44:26] Oh, I, I assume, I assume, I don't know. I mean, I, well, that's always been the main debate. People are like, oh, well, we don't have enough people. It's too small of a school. We can never do soccer. They'll steal all the good athletes from track and baseball. And I, I just assume that's happened. Yeah. I

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[00:44:45] Very different people, so I don't think there's too much crossover on that. I can maybe see the track, like the distance running or the sprinting. Um, I've never thrown a javelin or like a shock. It's hard.

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[00:45:02] I got some spears in the back launch, one spear right into hay bill. No, I, I

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[00:45:22] Jeff Nesbitt: and Yeah, no, I'm just, I'm just playing.

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[00:45:39] Um, oh, I heard you're gonna, are, are you looking to get involved with Long Beach City Council? Is that true? Or Oaco City Council. One of the two.

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[00:45:58] Um, it's a great place to start. Yeah. I mean, ho hopefully. Yeah. Um, but I attend almost every city council meeting since I moved here. Um, I thought it'd be a good way for me to understand, uh, the dynamic of a business in the community. Um, just kind of listen and learn. So like the first year and a half, I really didn't have anything to say.

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[00:46:43] Threw my name in the hat that was gonna be a, that was appointed by the city council. Didn't get it. Which, who'd they put in there? Uh, Gary Forner. I don't know him. He's the old mayor. Hmm. Yep. Current city council member as well. Okay. Um, and he's been, he's been in the area for a very, very long time. Uh, and then in on the 15th, I think my application, uh, the application window opens up in May, so Right on.

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[00:47:35] What's wrong with

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[00:47:38] Josh Phillips: for accountability. Yeah, I definitely am. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, I think, I think there's, there's sometimes there's some confusion and, um, things get said that, uh, maybe you're misinterpreted and. And, and they don't. And my request was that they just go back and listen.

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[00:48:02] Josh Phillips: I mean, I, I thought I was pretty nice. I went back and listened to it to make sure I wasn't sitting. You seem like a really nice

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[00:48:09] Josh Phillips: I mean, I was mean, I feel like on the field, but I think I got it in me. That's a totally different guy.

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[00:48:15] Josh Phillips: the other life.

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[00:48:18] Josh Phillips: Yeah, exactly. Um, no, I like to think of myself as pretty,

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[00:48:30] Oh, yeah. I've spent a lot of time at meetings, very much like the ones you're talking about where it's just like, just a handful of people who, it's a really, usually a really, uh, distinctive mix of either people who are just there because they actually care and they really don't want to be there. They wish somebody else was doing this, but no one is.

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[00:49:05] Them do those things. Yeah. You, I

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[00:49:10] Jeff Nesbitt: will never do it. I would never do it. Um, I, I mean, I, I, I don't know what the future holds, but No, I've been on a lot of those little, little boards and stuff. Mm-hmm. Uh, through, through my job I've worked for the government doing weed control.

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[00:49:38] Josh Phillips: I, I think, uh, kind of what drew me to it was, um, my dad worked at Fish and Game, so he worked for the state.

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[00:49:58] Jeff Nesbitt: almost always seems a little political. People politicize everything. Oh, for

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[00:50:16] I kind of wanna be a part of the conversation and a part of where things are headed. And I don't know, it's, I think it's how she, I'm not a kid anymore, so it's like, it's time for me to like, have a voice, you know? And

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[00:50:38] Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, and then by the time you're 30, it's a different feeling. The motivation is a lot more like, I have to talk because I have this knowledge to share now. I've watched a few things happen. I've gone through it. Um, and you gotta share it. That's, I, I think that's very commendable that you want to do that.

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[00:50:56] Josh Phillips: you live and operate. Yeah. No, it's, um, it's exciting. Like, I, I hope it goes well. I think it'll go well and, um, we'll see. Like I'm definitely gonna put my best foot forward and I engage with a lot of people in the community and I would like to think I have a good reputation and I know I haven't wronged anybody, so.

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[00:51:24] Josh Phillips: Yeah. Uh, especially a soccer player. Oh, I've heard they're

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[00:51:35] Josh Phillips: Some good soccer stories.

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[00:51:40] Josh Phillips: Yeah, I mean, we, I don't know. I'm trying to think of like what, when you mean when you say good, like what are you, what are you looking, what was good to you?

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[00:51:55] Josh Phillips: Yeah. Um, of any kind of, any kind. Yeah. So aga at Gonzaga, I would say the coolest soccer moment, we played U C S B, which is like the quote unquote soccer heaven. You walk into the stadium, it's like a 15,000 seat stadium. Um, one of the biggest soccer attendances in college, um, both men's and women's. And it's a phenomenal place to play.

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[00:52:36] Jeff Nesbitt: Is U C S B, Santa Barbara.

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[00:52:44] And I just remember like, uh, just standing in half field with two of my best friends and like their, they, their thing is they like throw tortilla shells on the field. It's like, I don't know, some sort of crash. The crowd. Yeah, the crowd. Okay. And they're like, just looking up and seeing the tortillas like slammed against the seats and as the crowd just exits.

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[00:53:25] Jeff Nesbitt: it's, it's hard.

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[00:53:28] Josh Phillips: actually, I mean, we travel. I mean, Gonzaga is pretty bougie, I would say. Like we traveled Nice. Like stayed in. Hylton sometimes and like, nice. Yeah. And at the professional level it was the same way. Like, we got us, we got treated really well.

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[00:53:41] Jeff Nesbitt: not like you're women's soccer. Just another

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[00:53:58] Jeff Nesbitt: we?

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[00:54:01] Josh Phillips: Uh,

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[00:54:13] Josh Phillips: Mm. I don't know what the time difference is. Yeah. I think you would have to stay up or they'd probably start having games like. Eight o'clock at night, someone wouldn't be too bad. What was the, I think it's in Australia. I said that so confidently.

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[00:54:27] We'll leave it. And people deserve to know. Yeah. What was the men's in Argentina

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[00:54:33] Jeff Nesbitt: in container. Argentina won. That's right. I googled it beforehand, you know. No, that was fucked it up. Damn it.

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[00:54:48] Chicago's a

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[00:54:54] Josh Phillips: I've been there, I don't know, five or six times. And I mean, a lot of it's like you play a game, which is awesome. Or like you fly in the night before you train at the stadium, you sleep, you do a walkthrough, you eat a good meal, you play the game.

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[00:55:30] So which

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[00:55:33] Josh Phillips: I, I, yeah. I never actually played, like I played for the Timbers organization, but I wasn't on the first

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[00:55:46] Josh Phillips: Yeah.

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[00:55:49] Jeff Nesbitt: but the, the rest of 'em were, can you explain that, how that works? The relationship with, between you and the clubs?

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[00:56:09] Um, So you sign a contract, or it can be multiple years or one year, um, contract with this club, and a lot of 'em have affiliations. So like for the Timbers, uh, it's obviously like timbers too are affiliated with the timbers. But Colorado Springs, uh, at the time was unaffiliated. So like we didn't have a call up, you know?

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[00:56:49] We got like the eco cha and all these superstars, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, so that's, that's kind of loosely how it works and. Um, I mean it was, it was a good gig. Like you, it sounds like it, it was very much professional. Like there's always a lot of like, oh, was it semi-pro or uhhuh? You know, and it's, and it very much wasn't.

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[00:57:10] Jeff Nesbitt: mean, I know semi-pro is like a distinction people use, but that word doesn't even, that sounds like a bit of an oxymoron cuz professional means you're getting paid. Yeah,

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[00:57:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. There was

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[00:57:29] Jeff Nesbitt: You're a professional salesman now.

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[00:57:33] Jeff Nesbitt: that sounds like a really fun chapter of your life.

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[00:57:54] Right now, I just feel like I move from one tax to another, to another, to another. And then the day's over, you know? Whereas like as a professional athlete, there's a lot of downtime that you, that people don't really realize. So like, you can't kick a soccer ball for eight hours a day. Yeah. Like, you just can't, your body won't allow it to stretch for

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[00:58:13] Yeah. Whereas exactly, like when you're working at the store, you

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[00:58:36] You know, like some days you have weight training, some days you don't. And so it's like you're done by noon.

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[00:58:48] Josh Phillips: fished. You fished. Oh, that's a good idea. Like every single day, like, wow.

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[00:58:59] Jeff Nesbitt: piece out in every, every different place you're traveling, you're, you're, yeah.

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[00:59:10] And I, I bought this like little eight piece travel rod and I'd like stick it in my soccer bag. And like, me and a couple teammates would like meet up with other people that we'd like meet on, on Instagram or something. Uh, that's cool. And fish with them all around. Uh, it was a blast. That's amazing. It was really fun.

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[00:59:36] Jeff Nesbitt: How does it make you feel to pull a fish outta water? Seriously. It's gotta be a special feeling.

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[00:59:42] Josh Phillips: your life. It does. Yeah. So it's, um,

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[00:59:47] Josh Phillips: No, uh, Oh man. You ever have anybody just answer questions so badly that you're like, we're not doing this podcast. Like, they're like, this one doesn't go on air.

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[01:00:00] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, I mean, I get to edit it. I say lots of stuff like that, so there you go. No, no one's ever. People just,

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[01:00:09] Jeff Nesbitt: being real. Yeah, that's true. Like, that's it. They don't, you don't have to be funny. Yeah,

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[01:00:13] So like, um, in Colorado, I would say, like, what really got me into it, so one of my teammates, um, was an avid fly fisherman and he's like, you gotta get into this. I know you grew up, uh, like Huck and bait basically. And, and I was like, all right. And, um, the owner of the club at the time, a really wealthy individual, uh, had a big ranch in Colorado and he like loosely brought it up and um, we're like, oh, I would love to go up there.

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[01:00:51] Jeff Nesbitt: can't use the public land, but you can't.

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[01:01:01] And um, he's like, yeah, go up there whenever you want. So we would just like bomb up there every day after practice. And um, it was below the Broadmoor Fish Camp, which is like one of the ritziest um, hotels There is, I guess like that sounds ritzy. Yeah. Obama. Obama stayed there when I was there. I bet he did.

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[01:01:37] Cuz the pike eat all the trout and we don't want the pike. And we're like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then we would like. Catch like 10 pike, let nine go kill one. Show the ranch, show the guy and be like, oh, yeah, I saw a bunch more out there. Like, we'll get 'em. They're invasive, right? Uh, it depends on the, depends on where you're at in this invasive, where you were.

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[01:01:58] Jeff Nesbitt: delicious.

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[01:02:05] Jeff Nesbitt: things about fish that people just don't like, like for Mar, for the market, like boniness fishy taste, which is ironic because it's fucking fish, but people don't want to eat the fishy taste in fish.

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[01:02:16] Josh Phillips: Uh, but yeah, some we would bomb up there every day. And I got, and like I wasn't very good at it when I first got into it, but then I got pretty effective

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[01:02:34] They do.

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[01:02:36] Jeff Nesbitt: great. Yeah. I hope you lie. I mean, Robert Redford, it's, he's, he's good. Good at making movies,

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[01:02:52] Yeah. Cool. It's about like fly tie and the art of feathers and crazy, crazy rear feathers. This guy was like breaking into a museum and stealing them. I don't wanna talks writing itself in my head right now. I don't wanna talk too much to it cause I didn't read the book. Let's,

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[01:03:07] Yeah. How would you write it? Feather Thief. You gotta write it. It's about fly fishing. You wanna make fly fishing look cool, but not too cool. You know? What would you do? How would you write it?

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[01:03:24] Jeff Nesbitt: That's true.

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[01:03:28] Josh Phillips: So, from what I heard, it was wrote in the perspective of like the snitch, stupid question of the snitch. Like the guy, like snitched on the guy that was stealing all these feathers. Mm. So I would write, I would tell, I would rewrite it from the other perspective.

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[01:03:56] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. Let's talk about that.

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[01:04:01] Josh Phillips: What do you got? We got a lot. So, um, we make fly time materials. That's why we specialize at Spawn Fly Fish. So we have one of the largest fly time selections in the country now at this point, which is pretty nuts. Um, I think we're at like 12 thou, just over 12,000 SKUs for fly tine.

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[01:04:35] Jeff Nesbitt: sell. So I'm picturing like a dead rabbit on the end of a string.

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[01:04:39] Josh Phillips: Yeah. So, uh, a lot of the products that are used in fly tie are byproducts of hunting or, um, food animals. So in a lot of places people eat rabbit. Um, not very common here. Very lean.

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[01:04:57] Yeah. But it's lean.

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[01:05:14] Jeff Nesbitt: you just take a little pinch of the fur. A little pinch of the fur. Oh yeah. And just like wrap it up.

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[01:05:21] Josh Phillips: are you doing? Yeah, it's basically like an arts and Krats project that, that's cool. So you take a hook, you put in vice, which is more or less, um, a tool that holds a hook. A mounted clamp. Yeah. Essentially fancy one. Um. And then you use Thread, you wrap it around the hook and it kind of lock, uses it to lock the materials in.

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[01:06:00] Hydrophobia,

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[01:06:08] Josh Phillips: molecules. Yeah. So some animals are really good at it. Some are not as good at it. And is there

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[01:06:21] Josh Phillips: There's a, there's a lot of animals that are like, yes, you probably could, but we're not allowed to sell. They have Oh, you,

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[01:06:28] Josh Phillips: feathers, but I can't. Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I'll look through it. Yeah, yeah. Let me know.

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[01:06:35] Yeah. If you look at a video of a, of a penguin diving, I mean, you think a penguin is like a seal, like the way they're like flat and slippery looking. They're not, they, they have, I mean, a good inch and a half thick straight feathers that are perpendicular to their body. They're, they're, it's like a thick, thick layer.

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[01:07:10] That go across the surface of their, of their outside, and it makes them, it's like a lubrication between them and the water reduces friction and they go faster. That's fascinating. It's

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[01:07:24] Jeff Nesbitt: I bet you you can get 'em online. Yeah. If not just, I mean, they let you almost pet the penguins at the zoo. Just reach in and grab a little pinch. I'll have

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[01:07:36] Jeff Nesbitt: is, but you better check him out if he's got, check him out.

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[01:07:42] Josh Phillips: Oh. I mean, I wouldn't even be surprised anymore. Like it wouldn't even shock me.

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[01:07:50] Josh Phillips: but yeah, so you just tie it on a hook and then you, you do create knots at the end of the hook and tie it on a fly or tie it on a leader and fly line and.

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[01:08:10] Jeff Nesbitt: every species of insect or or fish. A fish, yeah. You just look into what they eat. Mm-hmm. And then just try to get in the mind of that bug. Replicate it. Yep. That's cool.

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[01:08:36] Or

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[01:08:41] Josh Phillips: in the water table. Yeah. And, and we make some of those fly time materials here in Oaco now. So we, um, acquired a portion of a company, um, And brought it all to Oaco. So we were That's cool.

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[01:09:05] Jeff Nesbitt: That's cool. So are you still doing most of your stuff online or are you getting a lot of in-store sales?

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[01:09:25] It looked, um, for the first year and a half of us living here, and I don't know, we, we have kayaks and we don't just have fly fishing stuff and it's, um, so we sell all of the stems, rain gear and bibs and waiters and waiting boots and I dunno, we have, we have a pretty good selection. So it's always funny when like, Y people are like, oh, we want your business to do well, but I don't fly fish.

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[01:09:56] It'll be good. We get some people from the community and we just sit around, tie flies and That's awesome. Hang out. It's pretty, it's pretty solid.

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[01:10:15] Yeah. Especially, especially since I did the mustache. There you go. Um, and, um, they'd probably

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[01:10:36] And like, I knew I wanted to, what do you mean? I knew I wanted to, but I didn't know like when it was gonna happen or what I was gonna do, and I was at the shop.

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[01:10:46] Josh Phillips: Yeah. Well, I figured like that's what people say. Yeah, but it

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[01:10:51] You could do it more romantic than that. Yeah.

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[01:10:54] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, you know, I figured I'd, I figured I'd want to

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[01:11:00] Jeff Nesbitt: long were you guys

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[01:11:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Six years. Was she like, not constantly trying to get you to

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[01:11:09] Oh, no. Like when I met Kylie, she was like, I'm never getting married. Like, oh, okay. So it took a while Yeah. To come around. A lot of coaxing. Okay. Okay.

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[01:11:22] Josh Phillips: No, definitely not. Yeah. Um, But, uh, she texts me and like, I follow, we follow like NASA on Twitter or whatnot, and sometimes day life, like have cool, some good entertainment.

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[01:12:06] I don't know, I don't know who lives there, but like, it's close enough to the beach that I feel like it's, it's fine. Is it like in their backyard? No, but like, uh, it's definitely somebody's, um, So we like, uh,

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[01:12:22] Josh Phillips: Yeah. We never, we've always had good interactions. Um, so we're like laying there watching, we're like waiting for this like meteor shower to come or whatever, and then we start seeing it and then like the super moon like comes outta nowhere and then you can't see anything anymore.

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[01:12:43] Jeff Nesbitt: if it was a torrid meteor shower that, I think it was a torrid. It comes every June and November. Was it in June or November? Uh, it was in August. Oh, it was in August. Different meteor shower. Yeah. It

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[01:12:55] Jeff Nesbitt: did you get to see at least a few before the moon popped up?

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[01:12:58] Josh Phillips: Yeah. We gotta see a bunch. So it was, it was, it was great. Like in the stage, the stage was

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[01:13:04] Josh Phillips: you do it? Yeah, so we, uh, we got down off the, Platform and then we're like walking down the beach back to the car and then whipped it out. But the problem was, is like right before that, she like stuck her hand in my pocket cuz her hands were cold.

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[01:13:26] Jeff Nesbitt: that wouldn't even be terrible. Like Yeah, it wouldn't have been terrible unless you weren't actually gonna do it,

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[01:13:39] Yeah, no, it was really cool. Her, I think her like entire family came down like the next day basically. Like was, it was fun. It was. Um, and then we're getting married next summer, so

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[01:14:01] No, I don't. What do you think of those people who do that? What, what's driving

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[01:14:21] And thinking about like, the people that did stuff like that, I mean, they were always pretty, like, they wanted people to know, you know, like I know Kylie didn't want somebody hiding in the bushes taking photos. Like it, it was our moment sort of thing. And yeah. Not to take away from anybody else that like, has this draw.

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[01:14:43] Jeff Nesbitt: Just a little bit. I think the way I did it's better, so. Okay. I did like you did in

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[01:15:03] Thousands of people. It was like, it was more for them than it was

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[01:15:11] Josh Phillips: oh, the pressures I wanna say Yes. Yeah.

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[01:15:16] Josh Phillips: That'd be terrible. Oh. But that, that would be, that would've been really funny.

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[01:15:22] And so where are you guys getting married? Do you have a place picked out? We

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[01:15:43] It's like, yeah, you could have a. Uh, a house that's like with a yard and then just say like, oh, this is a wedding house with a yard and rent it out for like 10 grand a weekend. And it's like, I, we can't do that. Like yeah. We're like looking at friends that like have property and like trying to figure out, you sort of

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[01:16:03] You have to make little cuts like that unless you have like old money. Yeah.

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[01:16:12] Jeff Nesbitt: money. You're struggling. Are you guys, are you guys, uh, did you grow up with money in your family or are you Uh, no, we joke.

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[01:16:22] Josh Phillips: I was, me and my dad like to joke, like, start in a trailer. Now we're here. Really?

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[01:16:37] You have, you have an air about you that it's probably the Gonzaga to be honest. Yeah. Uh, you probably learned that at Gonzaga, that place. They do, they do train you up. Yeah. But you're, you're, you've got a, a very distinguished, uh, vibe. You don't, you don't seem like a trailer park guy at all. I knew. Well,

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[01:16:53] We just lived in a

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[01:16:58] Josh Phillips: Yeah. Uh, no, it was, I mean, I would say like, my parents had me when they were really young, so, uh, my parents were 20, um, and my dad went back to school. He was working, uh, as a, uh, bartender and went back to school, became a fisheries biologist, which, um, isn't like the way you get rich.

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[01:17:22] Josh Phillips: Yeah. So, and then he was, it's a job though. Yeah. He, he worked his, uh, he worked his ass off and had a really successful career. And my mom, um, didn't go to Colten or she went to college and then left. Um, And she worked as a legal assistant, and now she does contracts for the ags office and just kind of like both work their way up in the state system and Attorney General.

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[01:17:59] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah. Um, you could've, you'd fit it right in. There you go. You'd have done well there.

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[01:18:07] I don't know. I've,

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[01:18:13] Josh Phillips: never ridden a

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[01:18:24] Josh Phillips: I know. I see those people do it down the beach and I'm like, I know it can be done. Maybe it's my time. Maybe. Maybe this where I get my feet

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[01:18:35] Josh Phillips: camel once at Really? With my little brother at that point.

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[01:18:41] Jeff Nesbitt: That sounds safer.

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[01:18:49] Jeff Nesbitt: point?

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[01:18:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Is that the place with all the, oh, they probably all have that.

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[01:19:04] Josh Phillips: I know they have a pretty cool aquarium and you could like, Snorkel lit or scuba dive on it for your birthday or something you can pay. I never did it, but it was, has to be your birthday.

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[01:19:15] Jeff Nesbitt: picture on the wall of like, they don't want everybody doing it.

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[01:19:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, the piran at the zoo in Yeah. Portland Zoo. They don't swim around like a normal fish. I, I wanna ask you about this cuz you're a fish guy.

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[01:19:46] Like 10 piranas in a big tank. Actually it's more than that. It was like 15 piranas in a big tank and it was like the third tank in a row of tanks full of other fish. All moving, looking totally normal like an aquarium looks. And then we get to this next. Tank and it's just, it looks like it's a glitch, like it's frozen.

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[01:20:19] Josh Phillips: piranas? I don't know.

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[01:20:24] Jeff Nesbitt: vicious little like a mouse trapped already set, just waiting like a rattlesnake ready to strike poison to attack. Yeah. It was the

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[01:20:35] They got 'em at

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[01:20:35] Josh Phillips: Zoo. I'll check it out. They'd

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[01:20:41] Josh Phillips: I I bet that's true. Just anything that hits the water.

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[01:20:51] Yeah. In Long Beach. I believe it's City of Long Beach. You

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[01:21:12] But we do need to make money on the fact that people come to this area and if you guys want to pick four people from the community that are gonna come in and each buy a fly rod that weekend, great. But the reality is it's not gonna happen. But we do sell four fly rods that weekend, which is important for our business.

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[01:21:45] Jeff Nesbitt: It is crazy, but it's also a lot of fun. Oh, I, yeah, I participate. I'm fully on the fence on this one.

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[01:21:58] Josh Phillips: of, I mean, I don't know, but the, the trash thing to me is like tough because I participate in picking it up in the morning. And so does a lot of other people get picked up? It does get picked up.

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[01:22:17] Jeff Nesbitt: And it's like we live in a trash planet right now. We've, that's what we get for making everything outta plastic for the last 50

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[01:22:23] Yeah. Um, but I would say like the community does an unbelievable job at like kind of rallying together to clean that up. And should we be responsible for cleaning up? No. But

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[01:22:41] That makes stuff for dogs. Get them to donate a large amount of their product and we distribute the product to all of the concerned people. That's what a lot of people are motivated by. They're like, oh, my poor dog. And I don't blame them. They really, the dogs are really fucked up about the whole thing.

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[01:23:08] Josh Phillips: I've never tried that, but works great. Have you tried it for yourself?

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[01:23:17] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Just the CBD or are you a, the full spectrum guy?

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[01:23:22] Jeff Nesbitt: medicine. It's,

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[01:23:28] Jeff Nesbitt: for pain? Uh, inflammation?

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[01:23:33] Like the, I'm a, I'm a Wild guy. The Wild Wild Wednesdays down there at, uh, freedom Market. Oh yeah, yeah.

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[01:23:52] They have 'em there also. Actually,

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[01:24:07] And I'm like, wrong generation. Yeah. What's going on? Yeah. I was like, wrong generation. I was like, oh man. Um, no. Yeah, I've

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[01:24:19] Josh Phillips: okay. I gotta drive back. Okay. I mean, you can take it with you. Oh, okay. Um,

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[01:24:26] Josh Phillips: I'll have to, I'll have to give it a gander.

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[01:24:42] Josh Phillips: Yeah. No, I wake up feeling great. Sleep good.

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[01:24:47] Josh Phillips: Diddy. Yeah. I would wake up and crush, crush the day, you know, no headache, no nothing, just no

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[01:24:56] It's, yeah. I

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[01:24:58] Jeff Nesbitt: I, I would've known ahead of time, man. I wouldn't have tried to make you drink that beer.

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[01:25:13] It's, it's a pretty welcoming place. Uh,

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[01:25:28] Josh Phillips: Yeah. I'm the, I'm the master at going there and having like one beer. I remember Trish, the bartender, like announced to like the whole bar. The one time I had like two drinks just like crazy night over here for Phillips. And I'm like, ah, yeah,

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[01:25:47] Yeah, I do the same thing. Uh, two drinks is my like, That's my big night. Yeah. Like when I go on a date with my wife, I'll have two Moscow mules or something, and I'd never ever have more than two. Like I went to

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[01:26:06] Yeah. But like if you have 15, I felt great the next day. I was like, I don't know if it was the fact that like I You're still drunk. Yeah. I felt fantastic. Like, I was like, wow, I slept so good last night. Like you

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[01:26:21] Josh Phillips: Yeah. I was like, that was a fun wedding. And then I was like, oh, my shoulder hurts.

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[01:26:26] Jeff Nesbitt: They say if you're really, really hammered and you're driving, uh, and you get in a wreck, you're more likely to live than if you're just semi hammered because your body just blacks out and you don't flex up during the collisions. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Maybe that's similar. Similar thing.

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[01:26:42] Josh Phillips: know. Yeah. Slept great. Felt felt great. Came, flew back

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[01:26:49] Josh Phillips: pretty. That's

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[01:26:53] Josh Phillips: I wake up early, get to work, but mm-hmm. Outside of that, yeah. I have no problems falling asleep.

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[01:27:20] Gotcha. Where I sleep in like two hour chunks and then I wake up and stand around in the kitchen. But you're a

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[01:27:28] Jeff Nesbitt: or a parent in general. I just, I honestly think it, I was just saying, I just really stand around downstairs and I'm like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing down here.

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[01:27:54] What changes can I make in my life? I could stop consuming caffeine all day long. Got my help.

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[01:28:02] Jeff Nesbitt: delicious.

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[01:28:06] Jeff Nesbitt: shop. See, I told you you were fancy. It

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[01:28:12] Yeah. And we have an espresso at home. Hey, 10 minute. Oh, I said the fancy thing too early. Yeah. A espresso.

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[01:28:30] Shout out in Espresso. Way to go.

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[01:28:35] Jeff Nesbitt: I didn't

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[01:28:37] Jeff Nesbitt: back in. I've only actually had it once. It was a free sample at Williams Sonoma, but I think that really gave me the full picture. It was good. No, it's solid.

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[01:28:55] Josh Phillips: I don't know. I actually had a buddy that's never drinking a cup of coffee and he's

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[01:29:02] Imagine how great he would be. Yeah, I tried. Don't be jealous of that. Nah, I mean, I'm so jealous of those people that, because I would do it the first day I'd be going out and getting that coffee. Right. If we switch bodies, what's your friend's name? Kelly, me and Kelly switch bodies, I'm going out to get an espresso immediately and I'm gonna enjoy that shit.

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[01:29:21] Josh Phillips: he, I mean, he's still a professional athlete, so I think that he has a little bit different. He's way

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[01:29:26] Josh Phillips: Well, I mean, he just doesn't have the same obligations.

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[01:29:41] Oh yeah. Yeah. Of course you did. Yeah. Why wouldn't you? Kelly? You're insane. I can't even imagine that.

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[01:29:54] Jeff Nesbitt: you first start drinking coffee or consuming caffeine in college?

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[01:30:06] Yeah, I was,

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[01:30:19] Josh Phillips: some like

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[01:30:26] Josh Phillips: yeah. I remember in, uh, college, one of my good buddies and teammate was like, he's like, Hey man, I just like took this red pill.

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[01:30:53] Like, I trusted this guy. I'm still really good friends with him. I freaking start like, Getting these like cold sweats in class. Like I get these goosebumps all over. I'm like, dripping. I didn't, I didn't even get, I couldn't go to practice. Mm-hmm. I had like a reaction to the, yeah, I had to like, did you

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[01:31:11] Yeah, no,

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[01:31:29] Jeff Nesbitt: mad. Yeah.

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[01:31:33] Josh Phillips: no. Yeah, I'd probably been like an NCAA violation or something. How'd they drug tested mean that day? I don't know what I still to this day, don't know what was in it, but yeah, it was, it was a one and

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[01:31:43] Josh Phillips: or something?

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[01:31:48] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. I don't, there's a statute of limitations. They're not gonna get you now. No. Yeah.

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[01:31:56] Jeff Nesbitt: fast cuz I was just ni will definitely do that. Yeah. Really pushes the liquids.

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[01:32:18] There you go. But I, some of the stuff I took really actually was fantastic. Like one of 'em had a cortisol blocker in it and that's like, that's an antidepressant or anti-anxiety pill. Yeah. And um, it was like a, it was called animal pack, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. It was animal pack. I can't believe I remember.

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[01:32:33] Josh Phillips: safe. Sounds, sounds like it's good for you.

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[01:32:42] Josh Phillips: Yeah. It worked well. Remember? No explode. Do you remember? Oh yeah. Hell yeah. No,

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[01:32:46] Josh Phillips: Yeah, we used to drink with that too. Oh yeah. Yeahs when they banned the four Loco.

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[01:32:58] but just

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[01:33:02] Josh Phillips: Yeah. Little neo energy in there to tap things off. Just the squirt. Yeah. I love that. You know what that was. Um, but no, that, I mean that, that, and that, that kind of goes back to like the camaraderie of playing. Like if anybody came up to me now as an adult and was like, here, drink this concoction on here, take this red pill.

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[01:33:35] Jeff Nesbitt: That's your guys. Yeah. That was the, they have your best interest in mind. They want you to be better.

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[01:33:40] Josh Phillips: Yeah. I've act my body's hurt so bad that if a couple times after playing that I've been like, I, first of all, I have like no health insurance, but like, I like have some friends that are doctors. I'm like, like, should I go down to like somewhere where this stuff's inexpensive and get a shot?

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[01:34:00] Jeff Nesbitt: not. Like, well, they want you to get insurance and come up and see them. That's true. No, they probably not your friends, but a lot of doctors do the, it's, I didn't realize this for a long time, but doctors have so many legal obligations of what they can even talk about.

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[01:34:31] Six months. Yeah, I read about six months online. It's nuts. Yeah, it's crazy. It's gotten really good too, and I think they're bringing it to the states, so if it's not already Yeah, they are. It's a thousand

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[01:34:39] Jeff Nesbitt: It's nothing. That's nothing. It used to be 10 grand. Yeah.

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[01:34:44] Yeah.

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[01:35:07] I don't know. One of the joints made the rest of the joints bad. Too much rowing. It happened before the rowing. Oh. I had it all through Highschool and everything. Um, I've pretty much had it, my whole life's, sorry. I always had jaw pain and then I got really bad ankle injury in eighth grade that I'd never really healed correctly from in a, just pretty much always was sore after that.

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[01:35:31] Jeff Nesbitt: But yeah. The UDub, they wanted like $200, um, just for, just to gimme an appointment and I was just like, Hmm. 200 bucks. Yeah. Even though I, I could have, I was just like, no, I'll just be in pain for the rest of my life. Thank you.

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[01:35:47] Josh Phillips: The things we prioritize. Yeah. It's because it's,

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[01:36:00] Josh Phillips: world? It'd be nice. Yeah. It makes sense

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[01:36:03] I feel dumb even saying that because, you know, most rich people are like that idiot kid. He doesn't know what he's talking about. And by kid I just mean they know that I'm poor. Um, so they, you know, want to downgrade and dehumanize my opinions, but, um, it's true. That would be amazing. It's utopian ideals, but it would be

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[01:36:22] No, I'm, I am right there with you. I mean, I, we have clients that are very wealthy and, uh, Yeah. I'm sure that they, they'd be along the same lines of what you just said about somebody saying you're crazy or you should pay for it, or this or that, and it's,

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[01:36:43] Josh Phillips: the money.

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[01:36:47] Jeff Nesbitt: That's how they got all that money. Yeah. They're good at negotiating. Um, that really is a, I I feel like that is a generational thing though, that like our generation doesn't really like to try to negotiate down lower prices. I, I hate it, but I don't, I don't see a lot of us doing that.

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[01:37:11] Josh Phillips: Yeah. It's, it is, it is really interesting. Um, it's like rampant though in the, in the, uh, outdoor space really. And it doesn't like, make any sense and it's like, that's not

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[01:37:21] It's like, it's really quality materials.

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[01:37:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. So it's like, and specialty gear is not

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[01:37:57] Jeff Nesbitt: why, how could somebody have the audacity to do that in a small town shop?

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[01:38:03] Um, so what, like, it's, well, I just wanted to make that clear that it wasn't somebody in, in this community that's potentially listening to this podcast. No, I know,

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[01:38:18] Josh Phillips: So basically this, this joker comes in, picks up a rod, and that he apparently had wanted, and, uh, like.

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[01:38:54] And then I was like, yeah, your organization does great things, but so let me get this straight. You want us to donate to your organization and then you want to come into my place of business and devalue what I do? And I was like, let me, let me just like, let me just get it all straight. Like cuz this is what you're telling me that you work for Child Unlimited in Montana.

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[01:39:28] Jeff Nesbitt: His ass Wanna make sure you don't make any money.

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[01:39:39] Like, I was like, and he is like, well, I'll just get it on Amazon. And I was like, I also, I was like, I also sell it on Amazon, so yeah. Good luck and it's not gonna be cheaper. I'm gonna raise a price. Yeah. I was like, what an asshole. I know. I was just like, uh, it like, actually

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[01:40:02] Josh Phillips: Yeah. It was, it was like a very interesting, uh, encounter. And to be fair, like that doesn't happen very often. Um, that's good. We get a lot of, like, people reach out for like influencer deals and stuff like that, which like is pretty standard. Like, I don't find, I don't take that offensively at all, but like,

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[01:40:22] Yeah. Like the, it's like

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[01:40:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Cereal Unlimited.

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[01:40:45] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. Well that's just business though, I guess. Yeah. I mean, you win some Did he And he didn't buy a pole, I take it.

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[01:41:01] I don't know what, I don't know what the right thing to do in that situation is. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll do it differently next time, but

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[01:41:10] Josh Phillips: I, I felt like I was pretty nice, very businesslike. I was just like, no. Yeah. I think I wasn't like, I wasn't like, you're an idiot.

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[01:41:24] Jeff Nesbitt: kind. Well, this really is the best medicine there. Yeah. Because it, it stings them. They don't want that. They want you to fight them or, or like Yeah. Resist they people who act like that, unless they're just like completely oblivious to those around them.

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[01:41:56] Josh Phillips: And I mean, and I don't know, maybe a lot of people like, don't get it like walking. Or maybe I shouldn't say that, but like, maybe people don't understand, like, as a small business, like retailer, like you, I don't get an hourly

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[01:42:11] Josh Phillips: You get what?

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[01:42:23] Jeff Nesbitt: a mom-and-pop shop, even though you don't have kids. Yep. But that's definitely what it is.

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[01:42:39] Josh Phillips: thing. I, I don't even know the last time I bartered for some, actually I take that back.

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[01:43:03] I'm gonna

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[01:43:18] Josh Phillips: Oh yeah. I, I eat out a lot.

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[01:43:33] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. I'm, I usually go with the French,

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[01:43:36] Yeah. Uh, what is

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[01:43:41] Josh Phillips: jala Chica? Yeah. That like jalapeno. Oh, the focaccia. That's

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[01:43:56] No, I don't know the, I don't the plastic spoon. Oh, the plastic spoon that they gave you to go, or do you go use your own spoon somewhere else? I can't. It's a garbage spoon. I don't know about the spoon. Mark Swain fix those goddamn spoons.

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[01:44:10] Jeff Nesbitt: just garbage

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[01:44:31] the workflow inside gets way better. Their staff gets way happier. The food quality increases dramatically. the whole place changes. , pretty much improves the place in every single way. Um And the spoon quality just drops off, just takes a shit. And from then on out, every time I get biscuits and gravy, which is probably two feet, two,

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[01:44:54] It's,

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[01:45:11] There's different varying degrees of hardness and brittleness, you know, elasticity, plastics have properties. This is probably like a, uh, it's a poly something. It's one of the polys and it's the white thin ones. It's like practically a Costco sample spoon. And, uh, it's got no lateral rigidity whatsoever.

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[01:45:50] And if you're trying to eat a biscuits and gravy while you drive a vehicle, you're gonna get in trouble. You're gonna have to limit your biscuits and gravy intake. And I'm just not willing to do that. That is,

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[01:46:07] Jeff Nesbitt: You're a smart man. Um, do you, what's your donut of choice? This is gonna

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[01:46:28] Oh yeah. Classic. I, I had a Maple dog though recently. That was pretty good.

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[01:46:34] Josh Phillips: Oh, the Devil Dog? Yeah. The Devil Dog's. The one with chocolate?

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[01:46:44] Custer man. No, not really. My wife likes the Bismark. I like the devil dog better. Arian Cream. What else do you cook at

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[01:46:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Not good at cooking. Just rabbit. It's

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[01:47:01] Fish. Yeah, I'm gonna guess fish. Yeah, some fish. Tuna. We eat a lot of, we eat a lot of tuna, Alcore, alcore. And then, um, this year we've been eating a lot of blue fin. Oh, where'd you get that? Uh, I went on a, for my 30th, my dad took me down, uh, on one of those long range tuna trips out of San Diego. It's like Cool.

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[01:47:29] Jeff Nesbitt: days.

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[01:47:34] Jeff Nesbitt: How, and so I don't, I know nothing about bluefin hunt, bluefin hunting, bluefin fishing. It's basically hunting.

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[01:48:01] So then like That's insane. Nuts. It was like an, it was an astronomical number and it was really good. Oh, yeah. Ate, we ate for dinner. Last meat. We ate for dinner last night. How do you cook it?

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[01:48:11] Josh Phillips: mostly just eat it raw.

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[01:48:15] Josh Phillips: Um, so how do

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[01:48:17] Josh Phillips: prepare it when you do it raw? Uh, we just slice it, slice and dice.

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[01:48:23] Jeff Nesbitt: little, uh, you're not getting

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[01:48:37] Jeff Nesbitt: cook, yeah.

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[01:48:41] Josh Phillips: No, no, but she, she enjoys it. Um,

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[01:48:48] Josh Phillips: it depends on, I mean, she, I'm learning that like, uh, Or not learning. Uh, I knew that it was a very challenging, like, draining job fiance. You don't say, yeah, I have, I have my emergency substitute teaching license.

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[01:49:04] Jeff Nesbitt: the classroom and it's just never did it. I went through the process and just never did it.

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[01:49:22] Like

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[01:49:39] Yeah. And dealing with the interactions between them is like, yeah, it's a hard job.

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[01:49:55] Jeff Nesbitt: teaching? Just one year. Just brand new. Yeah. Cool. So where'd she go to school?

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[01:50:02] That's a good school. Yep. So, and then, uh, yeah, no, we're, we're, I mean, there's some things going on with the district and whatnot, so we're hopeful. I don't know if we wanna be, she wants to be a teacher, so Right on. Keep plugging away.

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[01:50:23] Oh, you're not married yet, I guess. Are you, do you care about that?

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[01:50:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you never know. Yeah. Some people are very intimidated about that for

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[01:50:44] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, that's really what I was asking.

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[01:50:52] Josh Phillips: that's cool. Yeah. But yeah, we would love to, we would love to raise a family

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[01:50:59] Josh Phillips: Yeah, no, I would, it would be a lot of fun outdoor stuff.

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[01:51:09] Josh Phillips: No, it should be, we're trying to buy a house, so that's a whole process in

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[01:51:16] Josh Phillips: No, we just, we just like finally got pre-approved.

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[01:51:21] Jeff Nesbitt: But what's the market like right now?

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[01:51:44] It's like, okay, yeah, that's not much of a job. It's still gonna be in debt for the rest of my life. And now it's a 6% interest rate or six point something.

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[01:52:01] Josh Phillips: Yeah, so, uh, when I went to Gonzaga, that's a weird way to say that. Kickback might not be the right word, but it's all good. That's not right word. I hope I get some kickbacks scholarships.

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[01:52:12] Josh Phillips: So I, um, got an academic scholarship there, so got that all four years, which was great.

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[01:52:41] Probably it was like mutually fine. Like they were like, okay. Yeah, it was like this whole ordeal. But, um, ended up going to Gonzaga instead of UDub and uh, so the first year was pretty expensive. Um, still had some student loans for that, but for the most part, like,

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[01:53:01] Josh Phillips: No, it was, it was a scholarship offer. Okay. Um, so, and then the last two years I was on full rides. So. Cool.

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[01:53:17] Josh Phillips: No, I, I've got it. I mean, we've.

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[01:53:25] Jeff Nesbitt: um, mine somehow went up again. I, I, I had it down. I didn't take out that many loans. I owed 30, I owed 31 when I graduated, and then I got it down to like 24 check today. It was at 28.

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[01:53:40] I You shouldn't check

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[01:53:48] Josh Phillips: started paying it back and, and I like applied like the first day for the forgiveness on student debt, so. Mm-hmm. I applied the last day. It's mine, it was accepted and it still hasn't went away, so mine did not.

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[01:54:04] Jeff Nesbitt: they haven't forgiven anybody yet though. No. So don't

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[01:54:09] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, and they never will. Yeah. No. They probably will once the digital currency comes online. Think that's gonna happen. I do. Yeah. Okay. They're building it. Yeah. Yeah. Why wouldn't they put it online?

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[01:54:24] Jeff Nesbitt: you, but that a, I have a thing. It'll start as an option, as an optional thing. You can, and there'll be bonuses, like incentives, like, oh, move your money into the c, you know, central Bank digital currency, and we will give you, uh, 2% transfer bonus or something, you know what I mean?

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[01:54:50] Josh Phillips: Yeah, I saw that. Texas, didn't Texas make it illegal though? There's like, there's like some states that are like proactively trying to fight the idea.

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[01:55:02] Josh Phillips: shit out. I think Texas and Florida, I think I read. But I don't know. I read a lot. I one of those and then get on Twitter and it's just toxic. Yeah.

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[01:55:18] TikTok is nice cuz it's got so many controls and, uh, the algorithm is so fine-tuned to what you like. So if you don't want to have a bunch of stuff that produces anxiety like Twitter, that's what they're, that's how their algorithm is, you know, written or it was, yeah. I don't know if it still is with the new leadership, but, um, TikTok is nice.

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[01:55:40] Josh Phillips: talker. Have you, have you looked at it? I made it for Spawn Fly Fish when it like first came out and then that was it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't know. It's just like too many things. So it's like, it is a lot of things. YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,

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[01:56:00] I don't like that way. That sounded, yeah. Do you TikTok or do you No, I mean, I, I post videos on TikTok, but Oh, okay. I'd like to say it that way. There you go. Um, but yeah, when I started doing that, I completely stopped doing Instagram and Facebook. They started feeling depressing. Yeah. Like I was talking to a, a system that was dying.

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[01:56:36] Jeff Nesbitt: is, the whole system is a bummer for that reason. Yeah. It's all very just fleeting. It's, it's flimsy. You can get blocked or lose your page and then all that's gone.

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[01:56:47] Josh Phillips: livelihood. Oh, for sure. I mean, it's mine. Yeah. So like, if we lost those outlets, it would dramatically affect my ability to. They rent pages? No. You know, I actually was listening to, um, somebody the other day talk about like the fact that you could, they were trying to come out with a social media that you could like back up.

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[01:57:19] Jeff Nesbitt: that will eventually be the status

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[01:57:21] Jeff Nesbitt: really interesting. I bet that'll happen soon. They have to integrate all that stuff.

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[01:57:40] Just saying, oh, Jeff likes this picture. Jeff, Jeff commented on

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[01:57:48] Jeff Nesbitt: It's like, mind your business Facebook. Yeah. I don't want you talking

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[01:57:56] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I they, the thing about the poke is they never go, they would never go away.

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[01:58:01] Josh Phillips: then you poke back and then you poke. It would say, it would

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[01:58:14] Oh, man. But that's gone away, hasn't it? Yeah. The pokes gone. Yeah. I wonder if they'll let you poke each other in the metaverse.

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[01:58:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Zuckerberg's Metaverse? No. It's very weird. It, it's called Horizon Worlds. Yeah. It's lame as hell.

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[01:58:34] Yeah, just in general. I wouldn't even just say for the area. I would say stuff. Yeah. I like a lot of stuff. Listen to you talk about AI a little bit and

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[01:58:47] Josh Phillips: I presented it on it in Oaco Vegas. Oh, really? Yeah. To the city council? No, to, yeah. That would've been interesting.

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[01:59:04] Jeff Nesbitt: the idea. That's a great business idea. I've actually looked into that because it's, well, you, I could pitch it.

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[01:59:21] Josh Phillips: I'm an AI ghost rider. Are you basically, I mean, I, we, we, I publish or. Create a lot of content using it.

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[01:59:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Mid Journey. Mid Journey is my favorite. It's so fun. It is fun. It's, it's truly artistic.

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[01:59:43] Jeff Nesbitt: month. Yeah. I got, I pay 10 bucks a month and I can go as, I can go all day.

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[01:59:52] Jeff Nesbitt: Adobe's

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[01:59:59] Jeff Nesbitt: really cool. It's nuts. Yeah. Like, I mean, really, really cool. And you don't, you can, it's from text, right?

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[02:00:06] Josh Phillips: Yeah. You don't like all of these like editing tools that you've had to learn historically and like how to navigate Adobe, which is like my biggest. Beef with some of these like programs is how do you, how do you navigate it? Yeah. They all have the tools,

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[02:00:21] And actually like, watch videos of other people doing it. Exactly. Um, it's, it, it makes it to where you almost have to be a specialist or, or a generalist that knows not quite enough to do anything. Awesome. Like, for sure because with, if you specialize, sure you can learn how to do a Photoshop or a a, a video editing app or like, I've learned how to do audio editing for podcasts Really Well, that's awesome.

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[02:00:57] Josh Phillips: for sure. Yeah. And uh, I mean, when did I present that?

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[02:01:19] Like it's, yeah, it's dialed it back so much when it is, when it first came out, it was like, tell me what's wrong or tell me what my competitors are doing. And it would just like start spitting information. Yeah. And it was like, holy shit,

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[02:01:39] Yeah. So the, the free version, which is what I usually use. Yeah. I did pay for, um, the developer playground. So I can go in and I can use G PT four and use it side by side with other models, like a, a huge list of models. And like I, you can, if you wanna see what G P T 3.5 would say. Versus what G PT four would say.

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[02:02:18] Josh Phillips: really amazing.

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[02:02:38] Jeff Nesbitt: helpful.

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[02:02:56] Josh Phillips: yeah. Um, I was at a Pacific County. Tourism board meeting and I pitched 'em the idea that they should

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[02:03:07] Josh Phillips: uh, they Well that's great.

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[02:03:19] And then I put a lotus on it. There you go. That looks really good. And lotus is obnoxious weed, so it actually applies. Um, I didn't even realize that until I just said it.

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[02:03:56] Yeah, good luck. Like that is not what I want to do. Like I want, you can ask how does this, how can I utilize this tool for this business application? But like, I don't want, like, shit, I don't know the other, the other side of it, which, which is, there's so much there. A big side. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't know.

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[02:04:21] Jeff Nesbitt: I like talking about that stuff, but there's no answers. No. It's just like, I don't know why ais talk to demons, but they do. Yeah. That's what they say at least. Yeah. It's crazy. They still, they still knew enough to where they say a lot of creepy shit if you ask them questions about creepy shit.

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[02:04:43] Josh Phillips: me too. I mean, I've, uh, what was the, there was a one that you, for the, maybe it was the auto where you could like plug in a YouTube video and it'll like summarize it for you. Mm-hmm. You don't even have to watch it.

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[02:05:09] It's the most fun. They can do music too. That's a new one. That's just like getting pretty good. You see all those Drakes? Yeah.

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[02:05:19] Jeff Nesbitt: I've tried to do that. I can't figure it out. I don't

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[02:05:25] When she went up, that was a chick. Yeah. I thought

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[02:05:29] Josh Phillips: Um, she was interviewed by the New York Times and she really poked the bear. She was, she was like,

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[02:05:41] Josh Phillips: made everybody take it down, basically. Um, she said, do we really care about what people like Drake have to say or do we just like the sound of the music?

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[02:05:55] Jeff Nesbitt: that's a great question. Yeah. I

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[02:06:07] Jeff Nesbitt: if I missed. No, well, it doesn't matter.

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[02:06:27] Oh, it's, and the Drake part sounded like Drake and the words he used sounded like words that Drake would use. Yeah. That's the part that really got me is that the lyrics were fired.

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[02:06:38] Jeff Nesbitt: It was very good. Um, but yeah. And that's, that's. It still does take some constructive mastery. Like you ha it's not like they just were like, write a Drake song, blah, blah, blah.

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[02:07:11] Um, so it's, it's a, it takes some stuff, but I mean, it's not the same as Drake and whatever, in the fucking studio. It's not the same thing, but it still produces us the same

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[02:07:30] Like to go out and kick a soccer ball for a living, like, I don't think it'll take that job away. Probably not. And then like, the act of catching a fish, like my quote unquote, like two lives that I lived, uh, I don't think it'll impact that cuz both are like really, like they're experience based and we hope, like we've talked about this as a company, like I think that there might be an uptick in what I do because of it, because there of recreation

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[02:08:05] Josh Phillips: uh, and yeah, like, just like real activities.

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[02:08:26] Jeff Nesbitt: never leave. But like, no, I think you're right.

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[02:08:45] There you go. And people will spend it on things like fishing poles and

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[02:09:02] I'll keep listening then. Yeah.

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[02:09:15] Josh Phillips: which is Yeah. Which one, which could happen.

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[02:09:23] Josh Phillips: here?

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[02:09:27] Jeff Nesbitt: No, a lot of 'em are elderly.

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[02:09:35] Jeff Nesbitt: clubs and just the people here in general. I think when my friend Matt was living here, like it's been 10 years now, but, um, he was single and we were like having a conversation about how he might have to move because he just isn't gonna meet anybody here.

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[02:10:13] Yeah. Um, and at the time we were like 24. I was like, this is not looking good for you, man.

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[02:10:32] Cool. It hasn't launched, but the funding was all approved and, uh, we had our like, meeting up in Raymond about it. Uh, that was about a month ago. And

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[02:10:46] Josh Phillips: Yeah, no, there's, um, I would like to see like more access.

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[02:10:53] Jeff Nesbitt: driving access.

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[02:11:29] Whereas people that choose to live here or grow up here, whether they don't have the means or they choose, chose to live here because of its proximity to these places, they need to be open. You know, it's like, it's important. It's not only important for businesses like mine, but it's important for just like health-wise for people to get out and experience it and definitely be a

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[02:11:57] Yeah. Uh, people around here were very upset and still are. People still talk about it. Oh yeah. That's been a while now. But that used to all be open. Mm-hmm. Even when I was a kid, it was mostly open.

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[02:12:14] Yeah.

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[02:12:29] Josh Phillips: a beautiful place there. Um, yeah. Then Hancock allows access, which is cool.

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[02:12:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. They're not like private company.

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[02:12:53] Josh Phillips: not, I don't think there's any legal obligations for them to be like, yeah, you can come on our, I think there is some

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[02:12:59] Josh Phillips: benefits.

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[02:13:11] Josh Phillips: but yeah.

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[02:13:16] Jeff Nesbitt: cut their own Oh, while I got you in here, if you do end up working with City of Oaco, um, they need to have dedicated funding for the main maintenance of Black Lake. And they don't currently have that, that I know of because it has noxious weeds that reoccur every year.

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[02:13:57] But something to think about if you end up there. Okay. Um, most municipalities don't think about weed control and they don't realize how expensive it is and how time consuming it is and how cheap it can be if you just keep up on it if you're

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[02:14:12] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah. Like you can do it every year for under a thousand dollars or you can do it every five year. Every five years for 10 grand, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's, I don't know.

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[02:14:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, so when I was researching you, um, I just Googled your name, Josh Phillips, and this is what came up. The

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[02:14:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Um, I had to search a Josh Phillips soccer player. There you go. And then you came American soccer player right there.

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[02:15:06] Jeff Nesbitt: all about him actually. Yeah. It was a sad story, man. It was horrible. He was an abused kid. Yeah. And he had a dad or a stepdad or a father figure who was beating him up and he didn't like noise.

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[02:15:35] That's,

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[02:15:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Uh, so we covered a river runs through it. Yeah. We covered Josh Phillips, the murderer. Is there anything else you would like to talk about? Yeah, I don't

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[02:15:49] Jeff Nesbitt: honestly think we covered a lot of, of stuff. I mean, it's been almost two hours.

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[02:16:00] Josh Phillips: but I can't think of anything. I did a poor job, uh, highlighting the craziest stories for Stop

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[02:16:09] Josh Phillips: But, no, I've, no, this was really fun. I appreciate it. I've, I've enjoyed a really good

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[02:16:19] Josh Phillips: friends. Like I have, I already have two friends,

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[02:16:23] Josh Phillips: There you go. Yeah.

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[02:16:26] Anyway, thank you so much for coming. It has been a pleasure. And thank you guys for listening. Any closing words? No,

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[02:16:33] Jeff Nesbitt: Bye everybody.

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