It is often said that communication is the Universal solvent. And on the contrary, communication, between more than two terminals, is the fabric of physical reality. So what happens when gods communicate? We create new Universes. Thus, communication is the Foundation of what must come next. Join Brother Amin Muhammad, Tony York, Brother Rashad Muhammad and Brother Adam X as they forge the atoms of Brotherhood, and map out a vision for the future involving the Establishment of order, and the necessity of land.

Takeaways:

• The episode emphasizes the necessity of establishing a spiritual and ethical foundation to ensure the sustainability of our endeavors.
• It is crucial for individuals to realize their inherent potential and recognize that we are capable of creating transformative change.
• The discussion highlights the importance of unity among black men, portraying us as a unique and powerful collective force for positive change.
• We must actively engage and empower the younger generation, providing them with opportunities to contribute and take ownership of our future.

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This is the Ascension podcast.

Salaam alaikum, brothers.

Peace, brothers.

Peace.

Peace.

It's a blessing to be with.

Y' all got Brother Amin on the mic.

I'll praise you to.

We got a fresh brother, Brother Rashad on the mic.

Yes, sir.

Praise be to Allah.

Praise be to Allah.

And we got Brother Tony.

Og.

Brother Tony.

Thank you.

His return.

He was on episode three or four or five, and he's made his return after his.

After his.

We'll call it his pilgrimage, his spiritual pilgrimage.

And now he's back and the brothers are back, and I'm just going to open us up in prayer.

There we go.

Bismillah Irrahmanirrahim.

Alhamdulillah.

Rabil Alamin Arachmani.

Rahim Maliki, Yomidim.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the most merciful.

All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the worlds, the Beneficent, the most merciful, and Master of the Day of Judgment.

The alone do we serve, the alone.

We beseech for divine aid.

Guide us on the right path, the path upon whom Thou has bestowed favors not upon whom Thy wrath has been brought down, nor upon those who go astray.

Thank you, Allah, for bringing the brothers together.

Guide this conversation.

Have us loosen the knot from our tongues and have us speak on topics that will enlighten the most.

We love and serve you alone.

Amen.

So last episode, me and Amin got together.

It was spiritual blueprint, you know, because him and I, we've been at it like five, six years, doing a lot of groundwork.

I'm not sure how much Brother Rashad, you know about.

You know, got a grocery store in south la.

We're building infrastructure to feed our people.

But we thought it was like a good plate.

I was like, okay.

We put.

We put these physical works in physical reality.

Now let's lay down the spiritual blueprint.

You feel me?

Because if we don't.

If we don't have the ethics and we don't have the purpose to do what we got to do, nothing we build in this reality is going to maintain and sustain.

Exactly.

And what I've learned from Tony, and he's given me, like, Tony's like, big bro.

He told me, like, when he got back, it's like, you have to establish your organization and your entity for permanence and eternity.

So what I've learned, and we talked about this last time, is I've been running and gunning.

So single father, three children, running with him, running with our other partner, Timu, running with Imani.

And I've been scrambling like Michael Vick.

Know who Michael Vick is, right?

The quarterback?

Yeah.

You know, he was fire, but he's not.

He's not Tom Brady.

You feel me?

So the formula I've learned is it before we establish anything, we have to stabilize ourselves as men.

So kind of what I've been telling myself.

You know what?

Let's get back to root.

This podcast started it all.

Let's stabilize so we could establish an organization to the future and then build the levels accordingly.

That's how God did it.

You feel me?

This is beautiful.

That's what this is.

Exactly.

After the Big Bang, there was centrifugal force that brought everything into existence.

Like, that's right.

You need the big bang, chaos energy, and then you need to create.

That's how it works.

Yep.

That's nice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You create a sun, planets that rotate out of it.

That's right.

Need that energy.

That's right.

That's how it's supposed to be.

Endless creation is great, but without order and structure, it's chaos still.

That's right.

Where do you.

Where do you.

Do you think as far as where we are on the order versus chaos?

Like, where do you think we are?

Like, as far as.

Like, our journey is meant.

Our journey is like building the kingdom, building what we're building.

Like, I think we're at the place where we're realizing we need to establish order.

Right.

That what we talked about, for sure.

Yeah, yeah.

In the midst of chaos.

Absolutely.

You know, but that's fine.

It's not something to be afraid or upset about.

It's.

It's the part of creativity.

Absolutely.

You know?

Absolutely.

And that's that.

To me, I look at it like, a lot of people get mad or sad or have strong feelings about negativity, but I feel like negativity is a.

Is a force that is a part of creation.

And it's like, to have a feeling about it is kind of an immature perspective.

Absolutely.

You need positive and Negative polarity for creation.

The difference is, you know, God is outside of all of that.

He wills those two forces in order to create.

And in order for us to, like, be as that type of creator, we should, like, copy that formula.

Absolutely.

What's that formula?

Say it again.

It's.

It's.

It's organization.

Okay.

After creativity.

Organization and creativity.

Like, you.

You.

You allow the.

The energy to flow, and then you whip it into shape.

This game.

That's real.

And I feel like as us, as gods, as black men is like, we're doing that right now.

Absolutely.

We're in the process.

In the process.

Yeah.

And I.

It's.

We talked about how we, as black men of America, specifically, like, we are our own tribe, and we talked about this before the podcast.

Yes.

And it's.

What is it?

Is it my perspective?

It's the experience specifically in the Americas that we as black men have went through and our families have gone through that gives us that, like, I feel you, bro.

Like, when we look at each other, any black man, like, we see this.

Like, I feel you, bro.

You know what I'm saying?

That's why I love it.

Like, we just look at each other and like, we know what time it is.

Like, you don't got to explain it.

It's like, bro, I feel you.

And it's not.

It's not.

It's really you.

It's not like, the more you look at it, it's not just.

Just necessarily between us men.

It's also with our women, like, we.

We understand that we are a breed unlike anything else this planet has ever seen.

Amen.

Like, they accidentally created superhumans.

You know, they created.

Wait, we're the superhero?

We're super human.

Oh, my God.

Yes, we're.

And it's not superhuman as in, like, we're better, but the potential is there.

Absolutely.

And it's like, if you hone a skill, it.

It resonates with everyone on the planet because in our genetic memory, everyone exists, you know, all the way back to the original man.

Like, amen.

We can relegate ourselves to a specific spot on the planet if we want to, which happens sometimes because, you know, you buried your ancestors there.

But that's not necessarily something that.

That, that.

That points to us.

That's.

There are people that it points to for us.

We go everywhere.

Like, we have bones on every landmass in this planet, and we have genetic memory from every land mass in this planet.

We're different.

Yes, we are.

And not only.

Not only have you considered the fact that we're from every place on this planet makes us different.

But also the fact that, like, they literally bred superhumans.

Absolutely.

They matched the strongest, the most beautiful, the most talented.

They match those people together.

Like.

No, put them two together.

Put them two together.

And put them two together on purpose.

Oh, wow.

To create a stronger breed of people.

No, absolutely.

I didn't even think about them selectively mating us.

Work.

Sounds cruel, but working to our advantage and working.

You know what?

Yes.

What a damn.

And if you consider, if you go farther back, right.

Tribal Shabazz, if you consider the trials that we went through in becoming and living through the tribe, tribe of Shabazz, where we were living in the jungles and strengthening our skin and strengthening our hair in order to get to that point.

Absolutely.

Let's give the listeners something, some.

Some perspective on Trappishabaz and specifically that time period and what he did.

You got to do it.

Okay, so I don't want to get it wrong.

I think it was.

Was it 25,000.

I think it was 50,000 years ago.

Yeah.

So 50,000 years ago, when we, before we were quote unquote, Africans, Scientist Shabazz, when we were all in Asia, so the Asian landmass.

Well, the whole planet was considered Asia.

It's planet Asia.

Every land mass was Asiatic land masses.

It was Asia Major, which is where we now call Africa.

But then there were Asia minors all around Africa.

And so as the planet known as Asia, like we were all Asiatic people at one time.

Yes, sir.

It's a more recent thing that we have continents with different names.

Maybe in the last 6,000 years.

Okay.

Yes, sir.

So my.

I don't like going off a source, but my recollection of the tale or the history is 50,000 years ago, scientist by the name of Brother Shabazz decided to take, to rebel against the other scientists and take the black man at the time into Asia and no, excuse me, into Africa.

And to make us tougher and to strengthen us up.

The other scientist says, we don't really want you doing that.

If you're going to do that, do that over there.

And so that was about 50,000 years ago.

And that is the story of how we have kinkier hair, have tougher hair, have flatter noses.

So that happened about 50,000 years ago.

Continue, brother.

With that the story want to give the context.

Well, yeah, I mean, we're all of us.

If you look at the planet, like all people of melanated color, all black people, quote unquote, aren't the same.

There are versions of us that exist with every phenotype, every physical description.

So it's obvious physically that we're not all the same.

But specifically the black man in America, we have traits of all of our other ancestors and all of our.

All the people all over the planet.

But what makes us unique are these the specific hells that we went through in order to get to where we are today.

Amen.

And that, you know, that that is the reason why we make music that the entire world resonates with.

That's right.

We.

We make.

You know, we, we, we.

When we get on the field and get into these sports, we play them different than anybody else that out here.

Like, I seen a brother the other day that was playing tennis and he was hopping over to hitting it backhand, and it was just like.

You didn't tell me that was tennis.

That's what tennis was.

I'd be watching tennis.

Like, that's different.

You know, it's like what's in us is something that anybody ever.

Every.

Everybody don't just have.

And I mean, they can copy us and they can get it, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because we all are related technically, but it ain't.

It just naturally.

That level of, like, creativity is naturally within us.

It's just superhuman.

It's unrivaled.

And we.

And I, what I know and just what through Allah has shown me is like, at the highest levels of those who run the world, it's envy and hatred for our potential.

Not yet it will be, but I feel like they hone the skill very well.

Wait, hold on, hold up.

What do you mean?

You don't think they're envious right now?

They hone our ability and our talents.

They manipulate us.

I'm not saying of course they do that, but I'm saying at the same time, they do that because they want to be us.

They want the power and the potential that we have.

I think some of them do.

I think the ones at the top, the ones in control.

Okay, yeah.

Yes, sir.

Would rather just watch their show punnies run like, oh, I feel it.

They created us, and now they have the say of what we do.

There are some on the bottom who had no say in what they're experiencing.

Like, why do they have all of that and we don't?

We're supposed to be at the top, but they're just part of the game, too.

They're not even essential players.

Okay, understood.

You know, so I want to give the other side of the cone.

We talk about the potentiality for Creativity.

But as I've seen being now clear, and Tony could probably attest, is there's also the other side of the potentiality for wickedness and destruction.

And so that's what we have to grapple with is both sides of that spectrum.

The full totality of being, being the beneficent, the merciful, and being the vengeful and the destructive.

And the wreaker of chaos across the universe.

So that is our.

The potentials for both ways is there.

And it comes back to what Brother Amin was just talking about with the chaos and the organization, the structure, like the destruction out there in society that we are seeing and grappling with right now is chaos.

Chaos, absolutely.

It is the chaos that we have to dial back.

We have to organize it, control over it.

And only.

We're the only ones who could do it.

Absolutely.

That's the thing.

Wow.

I have it.

Yes.

We're the example.

No.

Wow.

We're the only ones that can handle it.

We're the only ones.

And so it hasn't been handled, but we.

We see it.

Absolutely.

I look at it later.

We're the.

The parents of civilization sleeping right now.

And when the parents asleep, the children while out.

While out.

And so once we wake up and get our stuff together, the world will essentially fall into place the same way it does with everything else that we put out.

Like, the world is like, oh, no, that's what it is.

Like, this is what style is.

This is what music is.

Even if they catch it decades after we're done with it, we set the tone.

Absolutely.

And so once we get it together and we begin to, like, show the world now, this is not it.

This is it.

The world will resonate.

Absolutely.

So what does that mean, Tony?

It means what?

We got to be ethical.

We got to be ethical.

We gotta.

Gotta be active.

We gotta be effective.

That's right.

We gotta be.

What's the word?

Efficient.

That's right.

We gotta be efficient, you know, and can't be wasteful.

Like, there's people who.

Most people with power, money don't necessarily do anything about issues that are bothering.

Bothering them.

That's real.

Yeah.

They're not.

They're not at cause over it.

They're not at cause over it.

And if they do try to do something about it, it gets corrupted, the money gets squandered, wasted.

Like what we're hearing about.

I mean, in.

In any city in America.

Yes, sir.

You know, but, you know, so it goes back to the ethics.

Absolutely.

Got to be ethical.

We get.

But that goes back to the establishment.

If it's well established, if everyone is on point.

That's right.

And there's policy and there's being followed and is being policed.

Yes.

Not policed, like in the sense in a bad way.

No, not a bad police, not like LAPD police.

I mean like if it's being like managed, adhered, managed, there's no stopping.

To me, that's the separation.

Like the key to our success is in not necessarily physically separating, although I plan to do that as well.

But like mental and spiritual separating from what doesn't serve us in order to create what does.

Thus far, we've kind of just been pulled along like while we've been sleep, like somebody else has been controlling our destiny in the direction of this household.

And if we decide that it's not going the way that it should be going, which we all kind of do agree on, and we have to decide which way it's supposed to be going, and we haven't even woken up and wiped asleep from our eyes in order to make that kind of decision.

Right.

You know, but that's the future that we're looking at.

That's the future that we need to be focused on.

And I think, you know, I mean, this is a calling for all of us is like, now we've done the, we've done a lot of motion and chaos.

Now it's time to establish that order and put in the ethics.

Is one thing I, you and I can both agree on is like, regardless of what we, what we have done so far, we haven't had that level setting conference about, okay, what are the rules?

What are the ethics that we all can agree to and abide by?

We've all, we've all operated in our silos of chaotic activity and, and to be fair with us, it is working.

But if we want to take what we're doing and scale it out and teach it and teach it and make it the statewide nationwide, we're going to have to establish ourselves.

And a part of that requirement is, okay, what are our rules?

What are our ethics?

How are we going to create the policies?

And then no police.

That's the word.

That's the word.

Because what's the real word of police policy?

Yeah, enforcement and enforce the policies.

So now was that time and knowing that and given that we're, I like this podcast because we, we, we're able to see it for what it is and then do something about it.

Because once, once we see it's like, okay, that's why that's why.

Where we are.

That's why we're kind of like, this.

Is the board meeting.

Yeah, bro, that's exactly what this is.

No, seriously.

Oh, my God.

No.

Yes.

That's why I love you.

So it is.

It's a board meeting.

Yeah.

And it's not a coincidence that we're now that out of necessity, we're bringing the board meetings back so we could establish that order, because this podcast is what led to where we are right now.

It created the universe that we all now inhabit.

And coincidentally, Tony just came back in town through an accident, and now he's back here to help us establish that new level of order.

So now it's necessary.

Absolutely.

Because he was responsible for this universe, and now he's back here to be like, okay, boys, this is what we got to do.

Yeah.

And that's why I've been for the.

For the last.

I don't know how long, every time I talk to you, man.

Podcast.

No, no, he's been on.

He's been, like.

He's been on it for, like, the past year, six months, pretty much since we stopped.

Yeah.

No, you're right.

It's been two and a half.

Yeah.

Two and a half years since we stopped.

Yeah, he's been on it.

I'll give him.

So.

So the last time.

Yeah, no, that's.

This is beautiful, because the last time I see the.

The growth.

The last time I was here.

Yeah.

With Timu and you.

We were.

You know, there was talks about.

And everything that was discussed in that podcast episode is coming to fruition.

Yeah, bro, absolutely.

100%.

And I.

100%.

The.

From the very first episode, I never anticipated, like, external, like, validation for what we were doing, because I understood that this is documenting the process.

And when you're making the documentary, like, nobody really is watching the story as it unfolds.

They watch it 10 years down the line when it's like, how did that happen?

That's right.

You know, so for me, this was always a very important part of the process.

Absolutely.

Processing it.

Absolutely.

We talk about that, too.

Like, documentary documenting, you know, our art and what we're doing for the future.

It's.

It's our high, it's our pyramids, and it's our hieroglyphics, you know, and.

Yeah, brother.

So, brother Rashad, I don't know anything.

The beautiful thing is I love that you're here.

I'm glad that brother Tony, like, brought you, and I don't know anything about you, and I love.

So I Actually want.

I don't even know you.

Tell me you're 37.

Yes.

Which is dope because I'm 38.

You said you're a Libra, right?

Yes.

Okay.

But yeah, bro.

No.

Who is.

Who is brother Rashad?

I mean, and you were born in the nation, right?

Yes.

You a nation, baby?

Yes.

Like, bro.

Yeah.

What's up?

Who are you?

My name is Rashad Muhammad.

And thank you.

Thank you for Tony, for bringing me through this beautiful circle of brothers and discussing building foundations and just things for themselves and the people in general.

Yeah, I've literally grew up in entrepreneur spirit.

My father in San Diego was a Muslim from New Jersey.

He moved to San Diego.

What's his name?

Brother Carl Muhammad.

Brother Carl.

Super entrepreneur, really hardworking soldier, and just gave me, like, a really good example of a black person that didn't really make excuses about anything and just like, built and worked as ass off.

And just like, you know, everything is like, do for self.

So when I came to Los Angeles, I just had that built into, like, my software as a person, and I took off pretty fast in Los Angeles.

Like, as soon as I came out here, I had a pretty successful music career.

But I've never viewed myself as like, a music.

Like a.

Just a music person.

I'm just like, an overall creative.

So.

Yes, sir.

I've always had a vision of like, like using creativity as a platform.

But there's always a bigger picture because, like, as a. I grew up in the Nation of Islam.

Like, there's always a mission in life.

There's nothing, like, done for vain.

So, like, when you do something, it's like, okay, it's like, you bought that house, you got your family, but, like, there's so much work to be done because your people are still not where they need to be.

That's right, bro.

You know, so I've always had.

And me and Tony talk about.

Talk about this all the time.

It's like he have.

He's doing root camp and giving back is like, I've always tried to think of, like, okay with the platform that I've been blessed with and all these people that I'm meeting, like, I know a lot didn't put me here just to be some dude around people and have success.

Like, there's a bigger purpose and reason, you know, for this.

And I'm so glad that even, like, the way Tony.

We got reintroduced back into each other recently through music, but quickly realized that, wow, there's like, even though we do music and talk about music, there's so much more that you know that, that we want to do in life and our conversations reflect that.

And so just bringing me here and listening to you brothers is like confirmation of like, yeah, we need to keep doing this.

And I actually heard of the brother Fahim and his brother.

That's your brother.

Okay.

Yeah.

Because it was a big deal.

Like, first off, San Diego, so low key and like, nothing's really happening.

Small moss number eight.

So.

So when there was a brother buying up acres of land, that was like, that's a big deal.

That's like, wait, who is like, what's happening?

They once bought acres of land in San Diego, let alone a brother.

So that was like, that was very exciting to me because it's like, wow, someone's building something.

And like San Diego's really low key.

It's like small.

Like it's not Los Angeles.

Like LA is huge.

So like anything like that in my mind, it just, it sparked a lot of excitement.

It's like, like, wow, somebody's out here with the vision, trying to make something happen.

So that was very.

It was very cool that you.

That that just happened to your brother and this just happened to be the circle, you know, related to that.

So that's really cool.

Just in general, in the beautiful.

This our universe pulled you in.

Yeah.

No, no.

100.

Wow.

It's really gravitational.

Oh, it literally pulled you in and.

Yeah.

And that's crazy.

Oh, my God.

But it doesn't matter.

Whatever.

It doesn't matter what Moss it is.

I always feel at home, but because I.

My career was very like all this stuff was new for me, like being 23 years old in the music industry and going, doing all that stuff that I was doing.

Oh, wait, for what?

For working on Nas album.

Nas, King Disease, we want to grab.

That's what's up.

For producing.

Nice, bro.

For producing.

Oh, that's what's up.

Yeah, for King's Disease.

Yeah, for King on King's Disease.

Yeah, I did.

I love that.

Yeah, I like this.

That was you off there?

That's what's up, bro.

Yeah, yeah.

Hey, boy.

He brought me into work on that dope.

But I was saying that to say that my relationship between the nation got a little bit distant because I got caught up in Work just got caught up in that.

And that's part of the mission too.

But I've always.

It never left anything.

But it's just like I always felt like I'm on this like distance space journey.

But I'll be back.

That's right.

You know, you back and you ain't went nowhere.

No, I didn't really go anywhere.

Elijah Muhammad said the only excuse for not being there is work or school.

You was at work.

And.

And that's what I always felt like.

Like, damn.

I'm not like it.

Cuz.

When I was in San Diego, I was literally engineering for the.

The minister.

Like, Like I was.

Oh, he was working, working, like recording his lectures.

Yes, sir.

And putting me in, like, put him on this computer so he can have like a, A database and a. I was literally doing engineering for the mosque, basically.

So when I left Los Angeles, I mean, when I left San Diego, I kind of just got into engineering and producing on a.

Just, you know, on a bigger.

On a bigger scale.

But I was really intimate, like really at the minister's house every day.

Da, da, da.

Then I moved to la.

Then it's like, it's.

I'm not the moss at all.

I understand.

I'm disconnected from the brothers.

So it.

That for me for a long time was kind of different.

And like, I wasn't really used to that.

Yes, sir.

And it kind of made me uncomfortable because my wife is really registered.

Oh.

She's going to MGT class every day.

And like, my life is just not like that.

Wait, so she's going to MGT class in la?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I have three daughters there in Mui right now.

Or we did on.

We did.

We're doing the online thing.

Yeah.

With Salih.

Yeah.

Who is your wife, bro?

Sister.

Janika Muhammad.

But like, do you know sister.

We're in and out, man.

We're in and out.

Because our life is just a lot.

It's a lot going on.

I understand.

Like, it's just a lot going on.

We're artists.

Like, we're.

Sometimes we be weird and it's just like we're just growing and developing as human beings, but we're trying to pull it all together.

That's right.

I'm saying.

And so like, yeah, I'm glad that, that this is the opportunity just to kind of be around.

That's beautiful.

And it's also.

This is.

I love this because it's our ministry.

Yeah.

You feel me?

Like, Amin and I were talking like the.

The minister put out a lecture series the time and what must be done.

You know, so it's our, it's our opportunity to have this ministry, but not just be a trumpet and talk back up our ministry with action and production in the material universe and actually build it.

So that's like.

Yeah, it's beautiful.

Like, my point is, is like you're back and now you have the opportunity to get the word out.

You got three brothers in the Nation of Islam.

We got a brother that's down with the purpose of rehabilitating our people out of the condition that we're in.

Yeah, I was talking to Brother Tony on the phone, cuz me and my wife was going through a little bit and so we were kind of, we were looking at some like little light counseling.

Yes.

Oh yes sir.

And so we had, before he had his unfortunate, you know, he had like that, his incident.

We were on the phone, he was like, yeah, I was basically telling him like, I'm an artist and, and I'm a little bit out there, so sorry for the way I am.

It was like, brother, you don't have to, you don't have to apologize.

If anything, we need to build our own energy, creative energy within our own like nation.

Like we should have our own Hollywood, we should have our own art structure.

And that made me comfortable because for a long time I didn't even know that I wasn't even like allowed to do that just because it's very military.

It's military and no one's smiling.

And so for a minute I was like, well, we don't do that here.

And so I gotta go get that from somewhere else.

Like just that, that colorful energy.

But he and the minister, I've heard him say this and it made me feel a lot better as just like an artist and made me feel more comfortable, like there's a home for it.

And I'm not saying like the Nation alienated art at all, but it's just that I just wasn't used to seeing.

That Farrakhan is an artist.

No, I know, he's a good one too.

No, literally he is.

But the only thing is I didn't see that in my surroundings.

Like, it's like he's the only one.

But no one is referring to reflecting that in my community.

But now, like, But LA is so different though.

No, we got.

LA is like Nilam.

It's like, it's in San Diego is not like this.

Trust me.

It's way different.

It's like there's hardly no young people.

And so there's like.

When I went to la, I was like, yo, this is like, I wish I grew up in this mosque because this is more leaning towards, like, there's like, outlets and stuff to do here.

Like, Nilam is doing music videos and like, oh, wow.

There's like, that's accepted here, but that's.

That.

I didn't feel like that in San Diego.

It was more like, you're just gonna, like.

I don't know, just a different vibe.

It's a different vibe.

Just a different vibe.

And it's the reason why we got different months.

Yeah.

And it's for different vibes.

No, that's right.

And I think that's why a lot brought me to Los Angeles, because it's like, you need to be here.

Like, this is where you're going to do your thing at.

Because it's more of a, you know, it's more of your.

Your temple, whatever.

Absolutely.

No.

And it's the thing about la, the energy is so.

It is.

Is a vortex.

You've got.

We got.

We're surrounded by mountains and mountains.

It's so two tectonic plates going in completely opposite directions, which is crazy.

Like, we got, literally, we're earthquake centers.

We have that pressure.

We have all these cultures.

We've got gang culture, we've got Beverly Hills.

We get all of this chaos in one.

Not small.

It's smallish relative to the planet Earth.

A state that makes enough money that it could be its own country.

Absolutely.

And then you got so much poverty here that, you know, you got a whole city of homeless people downtown.

Absolutely.

It's a lot happening, a lot of.

Chaos, a lot of energy in all directions.

And.

And based on what you said, the formula for creativity is chaos.

Yeah, yeah.

So we have literally all of those pieces.

Yeah.

This is the, The.

The.

The cesspool of chaos.

And all we got to do is bring order and structure to it.

And it's funny because we all go through this, we get caught up in work, and it's not.

It's like a.

It's like a tour of duty.

You gotta, like.

There comes a period in your life when you got to go through a tour of duty in the material universe to just eke out an existence, to make some money, to have it, to have a purpose in the material universe, then Allah will Come you home, will call you home.

And if most of us who are black men, especially, who have that purpose, we're going to come back home.

Yeah, we're going to come back home.

And.

But money is the energy, the currency of this world.

So right now, as it's the.

The primary source of that energy, we all have to go out and grind and get it.

That's right.

But as you know, the world changes and rotates.

We just.

As long as we're feeding energy out into the universe, absolutely, the energy will come back to us.

So it doesn't matter what, what the exchange or the currency is at that time.

It just keeps grinding, keep doing grinding.

Yeah, And I'm just like, I'm.

I'm like giving you.

I'm like patting you on the back, bro.

I was like, yeah, yeah, I see.

We all see you.

And you put in work and you were a good brother and like, now it's.

You never left and you were, you were doing your thing in la.

Like, really building out these past couple.

This past year specifically.

But this past, like, this past couple weeks, a lot's really been like, all right, bro, you put in a lot of work.

I.

Last day of Ramadan spray my.

Sprained my ankle.

So Allah had to, like, sit.

Yeah.

To sit me down.

Had to sit me down for real on the last day.

Be like, okay, you're doing all this stuff, but, like, you used to go to the mosque every Sunday.

You haven't been to mosque in a while.

Okay, now it's time to.

I'm calling you back.

You work for me, bro.

Yeah.

So I sat down and then I go to.

I go.

I go to the mosque on Sunday.

I start.

I'm back to pushing final calls and like south la and like, I have a pushing spot and food for Less parking lot.

And I just get off my 50 final calls, bro.

And I'm telling, I'm telling you, once I started doing that, then we got the podcast back, the boys are back.

And it's.

The moral of the story is a lot is as very clearly told me, I got you.

Yeah, it's this thing.

Got you is this thing that I've been wrestling with where it's like.

Like we call Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, we call those religions.

I don't believe they are religions.

I believe they're like ways of life.

To me, a religion is an individual thing.

A Religion is what you do religiously.

And so, like, each of us have a personal religion.

So, like, when I have these kinds of conversations, it's muddled and muddy because people all look at.

No, this is my religion.

That's your religion.

What you do on a daily basis is your religion.

Amen.

And it's.

It is necessary to establish your religion for you to have order and structure in your life and to accomplish goals.

Yes.

And so what you're talking about is you're getting back to the religion that you already established.

That's right.

That's right.

It was just a very simple,.

Very.

Simple system of discipline.

That's all it was.

I was like, okay.

You know, and.

Oh, and the beautiful.

Okay.

And you got.

I got three children, too, bro.

I didn't know.

How old are your children?

3, 6 And 10.

Pro.

That's wild.

Yeah.

11.

Okay.

No, 11.

86.

Wow.

Right there.

Wait.

I have all girls.

I got girl, boy, girl.

Okay, Cool, man.

That's what's up, bro.

Yeah, dude.

Yeah.

Changed my life.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So, and another thing I'll give you now that you were on the same team with Comet, Fatherhood, it's what Allah is like.

No, no.

I've got you.

Prioritize your children.

Absolutely.

Go to the mosque.

You're good.

You're not.

You're not going to go broke serving me.

Yeah.

You feel me?

It's not happening.

Not even close.

Like, not saying that you won't go through some scares, but I'm never going to totally leave you out to drive.

No, no, no, no, no.

We're all going to get tested to see if, like, if we're really with the purpose.

Like, if you're like, are you still going to be with a purpose?

Like when you got negative $20 in your bank account, Are you still going to be at a purpose when the girl you like ain't with you or not when your wife leaves?

And also I'm going say a single father, like, their mom left like, a year after I joined the nation.

Wow.

You know what I'm saying?

So I've been.

I've been through it.

Yes.

So Allah has really told me.

It's like, bro, I.

You.

I've got you through this far.

You think I'm gonna drop you, bro?

Yeah.

Go to the mosque.

Take your children to the beach.

You went to the beach on Saturday, had the.

Went to the beach on Friday, had the best time of our lives.

Just, like, doing, like, a scavenger hunt and the beast finding, like, seashells and Seaweed.

And like, the game this simple.

Who could find the coolest?

It was like endless amounts of fun.

So, so much fun.

So simple.

They were running on the beach.

I was having fun.

Like, everyone on the beach is having fun.

And then I. I realized when I was on the beach, I'm just like, oh, man, this is heaven.

That's amazing.

I'm here.

Okay.

I'm good.

There's this, like, saying where it's like.

Like all.

All of us have two wolves, and the wolf that's stronger is the wolf that you feed.

Right.

And I look at it like.

Like, everything we do in life is about feeding one of those wolves.

It's either the energy of good or the energy of negativity or whatever.

Right.

And you can't let the negative energy, the negative wolf, die.

You gotta keep them fed.

Right.

But it's like, you got to determine what things qualify for that.

And it's different for everybody.

Right.

You gotta keep the balance between the two wolves.

But I like to have.

So what's the negative wolf?

Like, what do we feed them?

Like, what does that represent?

I think it's different for everybody.

Right.

I think that, you know, it's chaotic energy.

Okay.

Like, sometimes it's just as small as, like, I don't know, like, breaking from your routine of diet.

Okay.

You know, it's a chaotic thing that you do to give yourself a little bit of pleasure so that you're not necessarily so rigid that you.

Yeah.

Lose sight of what's fun.

Absolutely.

You know, like.

And time out.

That's like.

Okay.

The mosques have that type of tendency of, like, rigidity.

Yeah.

Like, no disrespect to our mom.

Yeah.

That's real.

It's military.

That's order.

That's.

That's a place where most people.

Yeah.

Like, a lot of people look at the mosque as, like, this is like the sanctum, the holy place.

No, the mosque is a hospital.

No, that's.

The mosque is the place where people are sick and they need help.

They need structure, order, guidance.

Like, the mosque can't be chaotic.

No, that's real.

You know.

No, you don't look for the mosque for the chaos.

No, no, sir.

If it is, it's not.

It's not working.

That's right.

You know, and Mr. Farrakhan is not going to tolerate something that doesn't work.

He's going to shut that down completely.

Completely, bro.

The work world has enough chaos in it.

Absolutely.

For you to be able to find your.

Your negative to, like, your outlets.

Yes.

But you know, it's like.

But you, you, you, you do have to make sure that your, your, your positive, your energetic wolf, your, Your order and structure is the big wolf.

No, absolutely.

That's the wolf that you resonate with the most in order to be successful in life.

Absolutely.

And I do think the, our purpose as the, the Nation of Islam is to be that stable datum for our people, to be that stable point.

Like, okay, well, I may not be in the nation right now, but at least I know when all goes down.

I'm going over there.

Like, they're, they're the ones I know I can trust.

Oh, yes.

And they're.

And even they may not, they may take advantage of us now.

They may spit on it, may not like us, but everybody knows, like, oh, well, the nation got me.

And I, I have, it's like insurance, bro.

I have this little theory that the reason why we haven't reached whatever is next, whatever the next iteration of this cycle is, is simply because everyone hasn't gotten that, that, that message.

Like, everyone doesn't know what message?

The idea that, that this is where to go.

Oh, I feel you.

I think once everyone has it and knows, like, like they know that there is a choice and they can choose which one after they've come to that conclusion, then it's like Judgment day.

I feel you.

But you can't have a judgment Day if everybody doesn't even know right from wrong.

That's real.

You know, and I don't, I don't necessarily mean just the mosque, but I mean like the way of life.

So if you got a church that's doing it and they're doing it right, that works too.

Absolutely.

It's just everybody don't got the, like, God is real call or, you know, a lot of people out here just wilding because they don't know.

They don't know.

And it's, it's.

It's on those who do know to, to not necessarily propagate, but propagate, but also be the clean glass.

That's right.

You know, be the example of if you do it this way, it does work.

That's what matters.

Yeah.

That's what's important.

Being a good example so people can see like, oh, wow, like, there's a person that does have a clean glass like that, or they're attempting.

Or they're.

If it gets dirty there, it's more clean than dirty.

That's like, there's somebody that's constantly doing work on themselves.

And I, I feel like that was Always something that I love about the nation because, because we always as, as for black people specifically, even though it's like we're universal, it's not just for black people.

It's grown definitely over the years, but obviously it's focused on us first because, you know, but we the most messed up.

No, literally.

Nah, for real.

But having that, having that aspect of constantly working yourself is so huge because I just remember growing up and like my dad, like there was.

Everyone in my family was just like allbad.com like literally this side of the family is just on this side.

And it's like if it wasn't for my dad.

Yeah, like implanting what you were supposed to.

My mom too.

But it was just mainly my dad though.

He was the one that was driving stuff home.

And he wasn't perfect, but he was such a good example and he tried his best to always keep morality high.

That's what's up.

And, and keep a, a good clean glass so we can like when we get older, we're following that.

We don't follow.

We're following that same path.

Like I'm trying to keep my glass clean and, and more so just like I had a lot of homies that were also just kind of like in the community, kind of lost, whatever.

And naturally, naturally they always looked at me like, yo, Hayes is always a good ass dude.

He's a good dude.

He doesn't do this, he do that.

And like, no, I could tell you're a good dude, bro.

And that always attracted them.

I was always, I was always like really cool at bringing my homies to the mosque because they was like, well, if Hayes is going like, let me just see what, let me just see what that's about.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Nice.

They was like, let me see what that's about.

I had a, one of my homies almost joined, but he was like, he was a Rasta, so he ended up, he ended up doing his roster thing.

It doesn't matter.

It's like all up you family.

That's right.

But I've always had a tendency of.

And I'm so glad that my father was a good example.

I'm not perfect, obviously, none of us are.

But I've always keep, I tried to keep that as an example of like that's how we're going to attract our people to absolutely the mosque.

Because like we, when, when they're all bad, they need something to lean on.

Like somebody that's like, yo, they need, they need like a good example of something to like Fall to fall into.

So, like, I'm so glad that that's always been the part of the nation.

It's like the morality clause.

It's like, right, you.

There's a reason why we're not doing this.

Not just so.

No, not just so.

I mean, obviously we need to do that, but it also is very, very attractive.

That's right.

Like, there's like that part, though, about your homeboy.

I think that was the purpose for him to show up and get that however long he stayed, that's what he was supposed to do.

Yeah.

Like, many are called fewer chosen.

This ain't an easy thing that we're deciding to do.

We're stepping on the front lines of the battle to say we will be the cannon farter.

Yeah.

You know, we will sacrifice our lives so that it all can go.

Not necessarily that we're all going to die, but we're on the front line.

That's real.

Everybody not going to be on the front line, you know, and then when the.

When the war is over and we standing strong and it's like, they did that.

Yeah.

Now me, I was always in so many situations where I was like, I was always a square and not like, I never cared anyways, because naturally I don't care.

Yeah.

But.

But it's like, like, certain people that if you're too self conscious, bro, it's like you have to like, be comfortable with like.

Like, so many people think it's weird not to, like, oh, you have a wife at like 19 or you don't smoke?

Married at 19, bro.

I got married.

You a good bro and you're still married to that wife.

Yeah.

All praise is due to our lives.

You can look like an alien to our people because we're so.

We're.

We're taught all these just different things.

We are the alien.

Like, you know what I'm saying?

We are the aliens.

Some people think we are the aliens.

And some people shy away from that thing.

It's a bad thing.

Ain't nothing else.

That's the alien.

We are the alien.

We are the most unique of the most unique of the most unique.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So that was always a challenge of like, just like being like, it's okay.

Like, don't worry.

Like, it's all good.

You can be a square and it's nothing.

There's nothing wrong with it.

It's.

You're good, bro.

You're good.

Don't get sucked.

Don't get sucked in.

And I'm glad we're talking about this.

Because I could say all.

All of us, we're good dudes.

I think, like, growing up, people knew.

It's like, okay, well, they're good dudes.

So what I'm now learning is like, you could be a good dude, but you have to develop the personal technology to not get taken advantage of.

Because I know all of us have been taken advantage of.

All of.

I know.

Especially I know.

And I.

Women, Anybody?

God of abundance.

That's right.

Like.

Like the creator that created me created fruit.

Yes, sir.

You know, one fruit produces many, many, many more fruits.

If it's not a genetically modified fruit, you know, a real fruit can remake the tree that it came from.

Yes, sir.

And so, you know, we.

We don't have to have the lack, mentality, or fear of, like, somebody taking something from us.

Like, it happens.

It does.

That's life.

That's right.

It's a frustrating, annoying thing because we look at it like we don't have enough already, but whatever we need is out there.

That's right, man.

That's right.

In abundance.

That's right.

We don't have to be worried.

And I think that that's the first knowing and operating.

That is the first defense.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's abundance.

Yeah.

The whole thing about, you know, obviously we need money and there's, you know, money.

But one of the things that I was thinking about when you guys were talking about chaos and energy and stuff is that money, change, everything changes.

That's right.

Change is constant.

Yeah.

That's the only thing.

Only thing that's guaranteed is change.

That's right.

Period.

So by us establishing things for the future, that when things do change, there's a stable post.

That's right.

Or posts, plural.

That's.

That's the next move.

That's where it's at.

Just one more way that we.

We create that scenario that he was about talking.

Talking about where, when all else fails, where do they look?

They're gonna look at the nation.

Because we're gonna seamlessly continue moving forward because we've already put things into place because we already saw what was coming.

Right.

Unafraid.

Unafraid of that future we just planned.

Right.

You know, or if you plan for it, you don't have to worry about it.

It's not.

Yeah.

By planning, there is no emergency because you drilled it, you planned it.

It's only emergency because you're unprepared.

You were unprepared.

That's literally it.

That's right.

And so we literally it.

The beautiful thing.

That's Deep.

Yeah.

That we're all aligned with.

The purpose is like we want to rebuild the black man and build infrastructure for ourselves.

Agreed.

Like, yeah, right.

That's what we're all on purpose with right now.

Absolutely.

So with that purpose, there is going to be.

And there's going to be counter intention.

There's going to be another.

A purpose that the people who run the world don't want us to do that.

So we have.

We have a.

An intention.

We have purpose and we have counter intention.

Encounter purpose.

And Tony, what is that?

The anatomy of that is a problem.

That's a problem.

That is a problem.

That's a problem.

Yes, a problem.

And it's not.

It's.

It's inevitable.

And choosing that what we wanted.

Oh, we want to rehabilitate the black man.

To bring a whole new kingdom of heaven on earth where the righteousness rules rule.

They're not going to just let us do that.

We gotta be patient and not move too fast.

Not move too slow.

Not jump.

No guns.

No.

Not anticipate the command.

That's right.

Just build slow.

Just build, build.

Just build slow and strong.

Build slow.

Build strong.

Build good.

It's like.

And that's it.

And document the process.

Amen.

Which is what this is.

And it's.

Also another thing that I feel like is super important.

Is one thing that stuck with me when I was younger is the Elijah Muhammad.

He says, study the white man.

Absolutely.

And I say that in reference to.

There's a taste level that comes to a certain level of attraction to when you build things.

And I'm like a person that really pays attention to aesthetics.

Like, I believe that yes, we can build and we.

And it's like, that's very important.

But if you build something that's not attractive, no one's going to come.

It doesn't matter how much time you spent.

Doesn't matter.

Like if there's like an AMC theater and you want to build an AMC theater, that you want to build a theater too.

That means your theater needs to be like AMC or better.

Yeah.

It can't just be like, well, I have a theater.

You should come.

Because I'm so.

I'm black Mexican.

No.

And I feel like taste is probably.

I would say that's my only critique in our community is that.

And obviously because we haven't had the opportunity to have the opportunity to.

No.

Everything you do is out of.

Out of necessity and survival.

So we're in a new age where now we are have millionaires and billionaires that kids Are like, like, I work with Jaden Smith.

So Will Smith, he's had the blessed opportunity to have a first generation of his children are rich and they have.

They have things they didn't have to.

So they have a whole different perspective of how life is.

Even the way they move.

Like, everything is already like a top shelf way of living.

And I feel like that's the.

That's like a.

One of the crazy cheat codes.

Like that, That's.

That's what we have to connect in our community, is high taste levels for things on all levels.

Absolutely.

But that's what we need.

That's.

That's what.

That's the.

The Elijah Muhammad put it like, our unity is as strong.

What do you say?

Like this.

All right, this is your quote.

I mean, but our unity or.

I mean, yeah, but you say it all the time.

But yeah, our unity is more powerful than an atomic bomb.

You say that literally every week.

How do you forget it right now?

But yeah, that's what it is.

I'm in a lot of places right now.

We're having a lot of conversations, and they're inspiring me in a lot of ways.

I know I'm physically here, but spiritually I'm over here.

Mentally, I'm way over there.

Our unity is more powerful than atomic bomb.

And that.

That's beautiful, that atomic bomb energy comes when you have.

Because you're going to need people that have no vision, just want to work right.

You also need people who have vision and want to execute, but then you need people who want to, like, fine tune and beautify.

You need all of that.

All of that.

That's the unity.

Like, that's the reason why you need it 100%.

And so, like, you talking about it gave me chills.

The other place that I'm at right now, I've been having this, like, vision of, like, our own version of like, Coachella.

And I got some.

So many ideas about it.

And it's like I was having this.

This conversation with my wife about, like, yeah, I can do it.

I can.

Because I see it, so I know it has to happen.

I can do it.

But if it ain't right, what's the point?

You know, I don't want to do it right if it ain't gonna look right, if it ain't gonna be better than what already was.

Like, I don't want to just do something right.

So, like, like, you gave me chills when you start saying, yeah, yeah, man, I was having that conversation today with my wife.

Yeah.

And now it's motivating.

I'm like, I mean, I love doing the work, but no, I'm motivated.

I'm so motivated.

And, like, I'm so happy that you said the word board beanie, because now I'm even more inspired to get us together.

So it makes it more business, like, you know, because this is.

We're talking spirituality.

We're talking.

But this is, like, now that we have real infrastructure, this is actually work.

And when it comes to board meetings, you can't just not do a board meeting or not have a board meeting for two and a half years.

I'm just charging it to the future.

No, it's real.

And it makes me.

I guess, hearing y' all talk because we're all professionals in some sense, it makes me, like, bring.

Want me to being even more professional with this platform and be like, no, this is like the black man's spiritual board meeting.

This is the spiritual blueprint.

This is.

What are we going to do?

Lift God.

Yeah, that's right.

No, ascension.

Ascension.

The lift of God.

Yeah, it's real.

Yeah, man.

So I am.

I love a lot.

Like, he has really shown me, like, bro.

Like, no, you know what you do?

You build systems.

You are really good at seeing talent and putting things together and using your nerdy mindset to get into Excel and make sure everything's operating administratively so the artists can come in and flourish.

So people like you, who are crazy, artistic people like you, who are artistic, come in here and just sit down and do your thing.

And, like, I really, really enjoy doing that.

And Allah is being like, bro.

I'm like, why would you.

Why would you think you're going to get off that post?