Phil Hopper is a former Kansas Jayhawks football player and Kansas City SWAT cop. He was one of the speaker's at last year's Cedar Falls Bible Conference. And he is the Senior Pastor at Abundant Life Church in Lee's Summit, Missouri, where he gave a powerful and timely message called "Arise and Awaken" on March 29, 2020 about how Christians should think about the Covid-19 "divine interruption." In this podcast, he sits down with Matt to discuss ideas brought out in that message more in depth.
Link to Phil's March 29, 2020 sermon, "Arise and Awaken" (sermon starts at 27:45): https://youtu.be/sjmijLm1x5s?t=1665