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The Truth Behind Church Crisis and Police Response
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In this episode of the Black Executive Perspective podcast, hosts Tony Tidbit and Chris P. Reed discuss the harrowing incident at Jesus Dwelling Place Church in North Braddock, Pennsylvania, where a gunman attempted to shoot the pastor during a service. The timely intervention by church members prevented a tragedy, but the delayed police response raised questions about emergency services in the community. Pastor Glenn Germany joins the hosts to recount the incident, the bravery of the congregants, and the emotional aftermath. Despite limited resources, they discuss the church's efforts to support the community. The episode ends with a call to action for listeners to help the church and the importance of empathy, sharing, and stopping discrimination.


▶︎ In This Episode

1.     00:00 Introduction and Police Response

2.     00:48 Welcome to the Podcast

3.     01:05 Shoutouts and Acknowledgements

4.     01:43 Incident at Jesus Dwelling Place Church

5.     02:38 Interview with Pastor Glenn Germany

6.     03:16 Church Background and Community

7.     05:29 Service Structure and Philosophy

8.     09:45 The Day of the Incident

9.     12:41 Confrontation with the Gunman

10.27:01 Police Response and Aftermath

11.31:46 Lack of Police Support

12.32:53 Reflecting on the Incident

13.34:19 Community and Police Response

14.36:03 Mental and Emotional Impact

15.39:58 Seeking Support and Resources

16.44:32 Call to Action for Help

17.50:09 Final Thoughts and Gratitude

18.54:43 Tony's Tidbit and Need to Know with Nsenga

19.01:05:56 Closing Remarks and Call to Action

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Rev Glenn Germany: But at the

same token, the police force that

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actually the, the state troopers

are the ones who had jurisdiction.

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Now they're 22 miles away and we

call at like one oh six and they

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don't get dispatched till one 11.

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They should have already been

here in that time period.

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And then they come in 22 miles away.

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So only one officer came, and

then even 10 minutes after that,

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the other one come about 1 31.

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So.

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We were holding the guy down from

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By the time they got in

here, it was even more time.

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Tony Tidbit: We'll discuss race and how it

plays a factor and how we didn't even talk

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about this topic because we were afraid.

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BEP Narrator: A Black

Executive Perspective.

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Tony Tidbit: Welcome to a Black Executive

Perspective podcast, a safe space where

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we discuss all matters related to race,

especially race in corporate America.

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I'm your host, Tony

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Tidbit.

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Chris P. Reed: And I'm

your co host, Chris P.

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Reed.

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Tony Tidbit: Thanks, Chris.

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Glad you're here, my brother.

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So, first, I want to give a shout

out to the University of New Haven,

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a radio station that's allowing us to

use their podcast studio, station WNHU.

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Executive Perspective podcast.

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Tony Tidbit: Exactly.

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Check them out.

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And so today.

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We're going to explore the chilling

incident at Jesus Dwelling Place Church

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in North Braddock, Pennsylvania, where a

gunman, believe it or not, failed attempt

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to shoot the pastor during service was

averted by a quick thinking church member.

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Despite the gun malfunctioning and

the immediate intervention by the

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church members, The delayed police

response and absence of an ambulance

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spotlights urgent questions about

emergency services in the community.

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Joining us today, Rev.

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Glenn Germany, will discuss the

details of this near tragic day, the

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commendable bravery displayed by their

church members, and what it means for

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public safety and divine intervention.

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Stay tuned.

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Pastor Glenn Germany, welcome to a

Black Executive Perspective, my brother.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Tony.

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I appreciate you and Chris

having me on your show today.

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Tony Tidbit: Buddy, number one,

thank God that you're here.

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Okay, because I can imagine we're

going to dive into it, but we're

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just blessed that you're here.

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You're looking good.

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And you know, you're going to

share exactly what happened.

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So look, are you ready to

talk about it, my brother?

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Yeah.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, I am.

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I'm ready.

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All right.

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Tony Tidbit: Let's talk about it.

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Chris P. Reed: So I know that, you

know, Tony said near tragic, but I

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consider it to be a tragic day because

of the residue of what happened.

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But before that day, give me a little

information about your church, Jesus's

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Dwelling Place Church and about the

people and the principal foundings

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that you guys, uh, embark upon.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes.

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Um, Jesus dwell in place.

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We're actually a no denomination

church, and we clarify no denomination,

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you know, because even today, non

denomination has become a denomination.

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And so we want to clarify that, you know,

if someone believe in the Lord Jesus as

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their Lord and Savior, you know, they're

our brother and sister in the faith,

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all the rest of the doctrine will work

out as we study the Bible together.

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But, you know, we're in the midst

of a, uh, Mint below poor community.

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You know, I don't like considering them

that way, but the truth is the truth.

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You know, a lot of people come to

our churches on fixed incomes of

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that nature, you know, but all the

more so we need to power a GOD here.

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But our, you know, our church

doors are always open to everyone

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and anyone, you know, we're not

a respecter of persons at all.

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And we're just in a community

that needs us and we're just

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trying to do a good work.

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Tony Tidbit: That is awesome, my friend.

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And so tell us about the

spirit in the church, right?

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You know, non denominant.

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What'd you say?

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Say that again.

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No denomination, right?

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Which I love, right?

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It's just, it's spirit filled, God

fearing, you know, whoever believes

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in Jesus Christ shows up and has a

chance to worship and fellowship.

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So tell us a little bit about

the people who show up and their

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love for their community, their

church, and more importantly, God.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, we have all ages

showing up, you know, and it's really a

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marvel of just, you know, the people who

we get from the community coming out.

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And, you know, we do

work in the community.

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So, you know, people do know we here,

we do book bag giveaway, we do health

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fairs, we do, um, domestic violence.

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We're trying to work on a

mental health piece as well.

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You know, and we're getting a good aspect

of people coming out and joining us.

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We're a small congregation, but

with the limited resources that

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we have, we do a great work.

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Chris P. Reed: How long has your

church been in this community, Pastor?

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Rev Glenn Germany: We've been

in the community for 14 years.

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We actually received the church from a

Methodist church that was here before us.

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Tony Tidbit: So, Pastor Glenn, tell

us what a regular service looks like.

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What do you guys, what does everybody

do when they do come to church?

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Talk to us a little bit about the service.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, um, our service

doors was open a lot more before COVID.

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COVID really slowed us down a

lot as it did a lot of churches.

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But, you know, we still try to have our

church doors open three times a week.

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We have three services that we

actually offer to the community.

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And our service, you know, our service

is kind of different than other services.

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I want it that way.

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I like it that way.

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And what I mean by that is that it's

just not a monologue where we don't

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just come in and it's like a business

where we just get people in, rush

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them out, get them in, rush them out.

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You know, it's more so, no, let

us really relate to the people.

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Let us hear their needs,

you know, doing our service.

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We open up with praise and worship.

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After praise and worship, we have

a testimony time to let people

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say how God has blessed them and

what's going on in their lives.

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After that, you know, we pray for the

children that's sick and shedding.

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And then I bring the message.

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Now, the interesting thing about when

I bring the message is that you're

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allowed to stop me when I'm preaching.

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Now, I know that's not heard of in

other churches, you know, don't stop

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the pastor once he's in his message.

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But I believe that church is

the highest aspect of education.

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I believe that it is a place where you

should come to and learn like a education

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institution where you have the right if

you don't under, I mean, it's just amazing

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to me and I'll slow down a little bit.

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But what I mean by that is that

you I'm supposed to be one who is a

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watchman for the people, an overseer.

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I'm supposed to be explaining to

you things that you need for life.

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Now, if I'm up here preaching,

and you get lost, and you can't

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stop me, and you can't say, I'm

sorry, can you explain that to me?

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Can you go back over that?

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Can you, you know, can

you go in more detail?

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You know, it's like,

you're gonna leave here.

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And you didn't get what I was

supposed to be giving you.

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I mean, that just blows my mind of how,

you know, churches don't really care.

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Rather than that, the people here,

you know, it's like, go get the tape.

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Now ask me a question.

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Let me explain it.

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Let me go back over it because

it's vital for your life.

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I'm up here teaching you

things that you need.

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And so, At our church, you're allowed

to stop me in the midst of a sermon

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and ask me, can you repeat that?

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Can you go back over that?

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Can you explain that to me in more detail?

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Because it's really about you getting

the word and you learning the word.

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Chris P. Reed: Let me say this.

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So as a teacher, preacher, pastor,

prophet, you know, it seems like you

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have an all inviting, all encompassing,

all inclusive type of church.

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And I know that maybe that may be

what led to, you know, or what, uh,

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people might accuse as a contribution.

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To this incident because you had a

stranger, so to speak, come in your miss.

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But it seems like that's what

you wanna bring people in.

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You wanna bring people to the Lord.

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So you're always gonna continue to welcome

that type of, uh, open armed invite, uh,

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invitation to folks to come in and hear

what you have to say and engage with you.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, if this is a

place, a house of healing, and people

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are supposed to come in and get healed,

you don't see no hospitals, you know,

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wondering who's coming in, stopping,

because it's a place of healing.

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And so this is also a place of healing.

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Although we have to be safe, don't, don't

get me wrong, and I want my parishioners

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to feel safe, but at the same token, it

has to be Welcoming an open door policy,

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Tony Tidbit: and I can imagine you've

had a lot of people that you didn't

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know who may have just moved to the

community or, you know, felt the spirit

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that they they're not a church goer and

they all of a sudden says, you know what?

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I want to go in church and fellowship

and learn more about God Jesus Christ.

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So this wasn't unusual to

have somebody that you didn't

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know coming to your church.

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Is that correct?

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Rev Glenn Germany: No, it's not unusual.

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And for, you know, uh, we actually

do live music here and we're a small

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church, but we have been in music, me

and my brother for over 30, 40 years.

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We've been in music for

that long, you know, and so.

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We have a sound system that's

really amazing and we make sure it's

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crisp and we play live instruments,

you know, bass player, drum,

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keyboard, you know, with singers.

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So, therefore, people do hear our

music in the community and sometimes

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people just look in just to listen to

the live music and then go back out.

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So, it's not unusual for us to have

people peep in and leave out at all.

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Tony Tidbit: Got it, got it.

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So, speaking of that,

tell us about the day.

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When this person that walked in,

um, like any other day, right?

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Somebody you didn't know.

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So talk to us, tell us where you

were in, in, uh, from a service

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standpoint and then what happened?

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Rev Glenn Germany: Well,

it was really a blessing.

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And, you know, um, let me say it like

this at the time when I first recognized

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him, cause I was running late for church.

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All right.

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It was doing praise and worship.

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He came in, he went out,

he came in, he went out.

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All right, and that was doing praise and

worship, and it wasn't alarming because

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some people don't like praise and worship,

and they only like to wait for the word,

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and so at that point, it wasn't alarming

to me, and then my brother had told me

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a night before that he had spoke to some

young man, and he told me he was going

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to be, that the young man was going to

be there, so I was expecting someone

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of his age to be there, you know, and

then when I started to bring the word,

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and I stood up to bring the word, he

was in the back, and as I Prayed in so

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I could, uh, before I start preaching,

he moved up to the front of the church.

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It wasn't alarming because the simple

fact that, you know, even when I looked

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at him, he gave me a smile, you know,

so nothing was really alarming at all,

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you know, or made me uncomfortable.

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It was just a regular service.

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But the blessed part about it,

I'll say is that we actually stayed

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in praise and worship that day.

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for 45 minutes longer than

what we really used to stay in.

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At the time that I stood up to give the

message, service was supposed to be over.

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Tony Tidbit: Wow.

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Wow.

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You know, let's, we have a clip

from that timeframe, right?

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So you guys are having praise and worship.

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Um, and it's funny you said it was, it was

a little longer session this time, right?

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45 minutes.

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out of character.

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Uh, guys having a good time.

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You must, the spirit must be filling

everybody for you to keep praise and

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worship going on that long, right?

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We don't need a word right now.

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Let's just, let's just glorify God.

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Let's sing.

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Let's have a good time.

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Your brother said, Hey, some new

person is going to come tomorrow.

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So you expect it, a young

person, not a big deal.

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You know, if you had that before

person sitting, At the back of the

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pew, then slowly start moving up.

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So you're thinking, you know,

the spirit is moving, right?

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The praise and worship is working right?

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People, you know, come in with

their arms folded and the next

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thing you know, they started hearing

the, the, the, the praises of God.

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And the next thing you know,

they start becoming loose, right?

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So I would imagine that's

what you were thinking.

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So let's play the clip in terms

of what happened at that moment.

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Rev Glenn Germany: And Godly

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chose

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Church Members: Jesus, Jesus.

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Oh!

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Give me a chance!

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OK OK OK I'm pleading!

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I'm pleading!

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I'm pleading!

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I'm pleading!

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Tony Tidbit: So Pastor Glenn

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Explain to, because obviously we have the

video, but this is just the audio portion,

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explain to everybody what, what was that?

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Well, I heard Jesus.

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So Jesus never stopped being

said, which is, which is great.

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Right.

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But tell us what was

happening at that timeframe.

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So the audience knows.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes.

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At that time, like I said,

I had just prayed in.

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He was in the back of the church.

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I had prayed in and he

moved up to the front.

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He was on my left corner, you

know, and I looked over there

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cause I like to read the audience.

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I like to, you know, see

where they are and see, you

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know, their comfortable level.

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And so when I looked at him, he

smiled at me and then I started to

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look at the rest of the congregation.

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And as he, as he, he got

up and I seen him stand up.

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And I'm thinking that he's going,

my brother is in the video.

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You will see my brother is to

the right of me because I have a

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reader reading while I'm preaching.

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And so I'm thinking that he's

going to, you know, the service was

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longer than it was supposed to be.

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I'm thinking he's going to tell my

brother, Hey, I wanted to stay, but

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I have to go, you know, cause you

know, y'all was pretty long today.

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And so I'm thinking that he's going to

actually tell my brother, you know, go

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over there and speak with my brother.

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But once he got to the middle of the

pulpit, you know, where I preach from.

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You know, I, you know, I took my

eyes off him once he stood up the

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next time I seen him on it and really

see him as much as I just see the

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barrel of the gun staring at me.

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And so at that point, you know, I tell

everybody they'd be like, ask me this

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question, like, what were you thinking?

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I'd be wanting to say, What do you think?

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I was thinking.

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I mean, really, you know, a

gun, you're staring at a gun.

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It's get out the way right out the way.

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Ain't no superman.

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Ain't no trying to talk nobody down.

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I'm moving out his way.

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I'm trying to get cover, you know,

and then I'll take my chances from

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there, you know, and so At that point,

I didn't hear no gunfire, and so now,

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uh, I look back to see, you know,

what's going on, and I see my deacon

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have him, so now I'm like, oh, go help.

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And at that point, I went and helped, we

wrestled the gun from him, and then I went

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from one point of trying to protect the

congregation from him, to now I'm trying

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to protect him from the congregation.

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Chris P. Reed: Let me ask you this

cause that's, that's very interesting.

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And people talk about how time slows down.

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And so for you, I've seen the

video and I know, you know,

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it's a matter of 15, 16 seconds.

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Like it was boom, boom, boom.

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It was, it was so much

action in my perspective.

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But from your perspective, now that

you've got a chance to, I don't

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know if you've seen the video.

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And, you know, if you okay, when you look

back at it, did it seem that immediate

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or did it seem slow motion in real time?

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Because your motion from diving

got the way to jumping back

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into the fray was amazing to me.

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I was like, man, this dude was

just jumping to the left and now

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he's helping his brother, you

know, or his, uh, his, uh, deacon.

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Subdue this guy.

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And like you said, trying to

protect the congregation from him.

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How did that elapse in your mind?

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Was it slow motion?

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Was it faster than you know, next thing

you know, you blinked and it was over.

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How

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Rev Glenn Germany: did that work for you?

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Yeah, be honest with you.

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It wasn't no thinking.

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It was like just natural reactions

at that point, to be honest with you.

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I had no time to really

consider what was going on.

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Think, do I want to help?

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Not want to help.

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It was just natural reactions.

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And, you know, I tell people all the

time and it's nothing that, you know,

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I'm proud of, but I had a past before.

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You understand what I'm saying?

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In my past, it I've been to altercation

such as that plenty of times.

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Okay.

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So it was just training setting.

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I mean, you know, you've been

there before and at that point

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it's like, we gonna fight for life.

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I, I don't know how many

bullets he have in a gun.

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I don't know what his intentions

is, but we gonna get that gun off.

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He, that's for sure.

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You jumped into fight Air buddy.

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Chris P. Reed: I gotta say he

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jumped in

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the fight.

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Air flight, Tony.

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Tony Tidbit: say, I mean, when you

said you had done stuff before, I'm

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like, well, you Superman, because

you dove, I mean, instantaneously.

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So, so, but let's back up a little

bit because, uh, and Chris spoke to it

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about Deacon Clarence McAllister, right?

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Talk a little bit about him because

he dove over, I believe a pew or,

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or something that was up there.

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He dove.

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over that on top of him and

subdued him, uh, which then

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you were able to come and help.

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about Deacon McAllister,

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Rev Glenn Germany: you

know, him and his wife.

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And I got to put his wife in

any time I talk about him.

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I got to add her in there.

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They are really pillars to our church.

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She is really.

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I mean, she's the motor that moves

the engine, you know, and him, he

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is a wonderful, wonderful person.

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And the crazy thing about it is that,

you know, uh, a week ago before this

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incident happened, I'm saying a week

before the incident, I spoke with my

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wife after service along with my brother,

who is the senior pastor of the church.

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I spoke to them.

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I said, look, yeah, yeah.

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They've been faithful to us.

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They've been committed.

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They always give they give themselves

anything you need done at the church.

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They are the ones I was like, we got to

figure out some way of honoring them,

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you know, and so for it to be him, the

one who actually jumped over the rail

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and came and that's just who he is.

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There was one time, long story short,

my car broke down, I'm downtown, coming

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off the, um, like the little freeway,

but I'm in the middle of traffic, I

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call him, this guy comes down, change

my tire in the middle of the street,

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put me on a new tire, fix the flat,

get me on my way, and be like, just go

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pastor, get out of here, you know, didn't

want nothing, didn't ask for nothing,

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just get out of here pastor, you know,

but that's the type of person he is.

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Always helping people

and for him to do that.

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It didn't amaze me at all because

that's just the type of person he

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is He he'll give his life for you.

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I mean, he don't you know He just

is a given person and you know He'd

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give up himself and he even showed

he'll give his life if I have to be

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Chris P. Reed: it's good to have good

people Now, what's the sister name

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so we can make sure we get her in the

in the byline Mary McCallister, Mary

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McCallister, his name is Clarence

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Rev Glenn Germany: McCallister,

her name is Mary, and she is a

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beautiful, wonderful sister.

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Chris P. Reed: God bless them both.

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God bless them both.

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And so, when that's going on, and he

jumped to action, I mean, obviously,

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I would love to know his mind state

too, and I'm sure you guys have spoken,

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but he jumped to action, he comes over

the altar, you know, with the guy.

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Immediately you went from, like I

said, uh, flight to fight and you

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go back into the fight with him.

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What's going on in your mind?

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seen interviews where you said you were

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speaking to the guy and things like that.

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So, the interaction at that

point in time, what's the words?

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What's the things that we may

not have picked up on the audio?

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What's going on after you realize, okay.

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Now the gun is not an

immediate danger anymore to me.

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What's the next steps in your mind?

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Rev Glenn Germany: I'm just going to

back up to the altercation a little bit.

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If the gun was immediate danger to me all

the way until I got to the gun, angle that

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I take the gun was still pointing at me.

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And so I was like, Whoa, let me take

an angle that he can't still shoot me.

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So my angle, you know, first day

I was mic'd up and you'll see me

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fix my mic, kind of, kind of loosen

me up, you know what I'm saying?

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Then I'm like coming at an angle

to where I'm out of harm's way.

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But the thing that amazed me

the most, little words were

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spoken between me and him.

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But the whole time we were communicating

while we were getting the gun from him.

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And that was the most amazing

part to me of the communication

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that me and him had while we were

getting the gun from the gentleman.

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You know, it was like, you

know, even you'll hear us at

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the end, even be more vocally.

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But while we were, you know, it

was like, I see you got his hands.

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I got his hands now.

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Release his hands.

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And then he went for the gun because

he knew I got his hands now, but we

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were in communication the whole time.

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And that part was the only thing

that really like slowed down.

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And it's like, wow, we were really

communicating with each other,

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getting this out of this guy's hands.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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What, what was the gunman?

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Did he say anything?

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Was he saying stop?

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Or I'm sorry.

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Or, you know, what was his communication?

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes.

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And like brother Clarence didn't see

The gunman, because he's the cameraman,

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he didn't see the gunman until the

gun until in through the camera.

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That's when he seen the gunman

when it was pointing at me.

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Once we got him down.

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Now, you know, if you see the guy kind

of quit once once we had him and got

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him down, it was like no struggle.

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But the communication is I had at

least 12 or 15, like, well, really,

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it was like 20 minutes to almost

totally of that I had to yeah.

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While I was holding him down, you know,

waiting for the police to get here and

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me and him had a conversation and he

was just as normal talking to me like

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me and you're talking right now, you

know, it wasn't nothing hostile, you

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know, it was like, I asked him, wow,

what made you do something like that?

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What was happening?

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What's going on?

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You know, and he just, you know, he

told me his name, where he from, where

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he lived at before, how long he'd

been in Pittsburgh, you know, I mean,

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we're, we're talking, you know, and

he tells me he's sorry, you know, and

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he said, I don't know why I did it.

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I don't know.

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He just said, you know, something told

me come in here and kill the pastor.

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And I followed out what it told me, you

know, and he told me this twice, but

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at the time, you know, The one that get

me the most is when I had a chance to

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talk to him when he was in the car and

I walked up to him and he spoke to me

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like, you know, like man was buddies.

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You know how you playing one on one

basketball with your buddy and you say

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something like, Oh man, you got out today.

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But he told me like this.

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He said, yo, bro, you

ducked the taco today.

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And I'm like, duck taco.

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But what he was saying was,

yo, bro, I was shooting at your

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head and you ducked that thing.

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But it was just this calm,

calm as man was speaking.

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Chris P. Reed: Let me ask you this

because you obviously serious about this

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preaching thing because you was straight

and preacher boat at this point in time.

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Was there ever any anger or any

frustration, aggravation or rage

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that kicked in that this man was

just about to take your life because

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it seemed like you didn't even step

into that mindset behind the pulpit.

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Like, how did you avoid

all of that type of?

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I can't believe this dude tried to

come at me, especially with your past.

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Like you said, okay.

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You seem to be straight

preacher guy the whole time.

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How did you keep that type of poise?

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Rev Glenn Germany: I mean, it's, you

know, a lot of times it's what you put

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in you, you know, the thing is I tell

people all the time, you know, it just

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wasn't an event that just happened.

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God's been prepping me prepping my

church prepping us all for this incident.

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We were in the book of Peter and we

were learning about when various trials

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come your way, you know, not taking them

personal understanding the truth of, you

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know, they're there to build you up, you

know, and I didn't do it because I knew

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I was on videotape or anything like that.

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I just was like.

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I understand, you know, when I looked

at him and I seen like, I can't be mad

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at this guy, you know what I'm saying?

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When I see he's not all here, you know,

it's one thing is somebody planned it out,

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plotted, thought about it, you know, he

just did it off the spur of the moment.

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He was dealing with something in his mind.

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I didn't know all this at the

time, but when I looked at him,

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I was like, But man, I hear you.

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I love you.

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I'm not angry with you.

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I'm not upset with you.

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I forgive you.

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You know, I just wanted to let him know,

you know, that I really care about him.

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That somebody care about him, you

know, but no, it just ain't in me no

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more, I guess, to be honest with you.

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And I just thank God for that, that,

you know, the love of God is just

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in me, but he's just an instant.

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I tell everybody y'all just seen

that on tape, but you are who you

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are, you know, and anybody who

knows me, they know me as such.

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You know, you will not get, you

can ask a thousand people about

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me, you're going to get the same

report for all thousand people.

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Chris P. Reed: That's what's up.

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And I know you, I know you're going to

go to the, to the aftermath of this,

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Tony, but, but my question is, when

did you realize that it was on tape?

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Like, I'm sure during the moment, you're

not even thinking about that dang tape.

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You're not thinking

about it being recorded.

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When did it hit your mind

that, oh my gosh, this is all

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like, people are witnessing it.

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There's a record of this situation.

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When did that hit you?

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Rev Glenn Germany: Well, the tape hit

me when I seen my people getting angry.

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I seen them getting angry.

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So the first time I get the

recorder off, because I don't

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know what they're going to do.

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And now I got to protect him.

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And at the same token, make

sure that, you know, they stay.

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And I didn't want none of their

actions to be caught on tape of

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them doing anything contrary.

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I was comfortable.

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I just didn't want my people to be

caught on tape out of character.

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Bless you.

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Tony Tidbit: You know, I got to say this.

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I want to try it.

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Cause you said something a few minutes

ago that we're going to dive into, but I

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just got to say this right at the end of

the day, you know, people come to church.

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They learn about the word of God.

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They learn about, you know,

turning the other cheek.

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They learn about dealing with adversity.

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They learn about all the things.

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That God wants us to do when

we face adversity, when things

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don't go our way, right?

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And here was a prime example.

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You guys are in the middle of

praise and worship, you're having

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a good time, and then all of a

sudden this incident happens.

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And then, based on that, you saw Not

only yourself, but your, your flock

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jump to action and actually, uh,

epitomize at that moment what you've been

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teaching them for the longest, right?

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So how do you, just tell us real quickly,

how did, does that make you feel proud?

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How does that make you feel

about your congregation?

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Rev Glenn Germany: I

was really proud of him.

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You know, some of them was praying

for him, you know, at that point.

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And that's where you even hear Jesus,

Jesus, Jesus, you know, and in a small

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clip that we're going to show even

later, you know, I had told them one,

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one to come and pray, I'm like, you're

going to pray, move over there and pray.

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But let me finish talking to him.

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I don't want nothing to be disturbed, but

I told them in the next service, I was

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proud of them and they passed the test.

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Tony Tidbit: That is awesome.

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My friend.

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Now talking about passing the test,

you said something a minute ago and we

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just got finished talking about how.

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Out of the blue, the situation happened,

you guys wasn't expected, rose to the

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occasion, you know, Deacon McAllister, you

know, hero, him and his wife, you, Sudhu,

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the congregation, it could have been, it

could have, to your point, went a whole

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other way, but everybody held their cool.

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They did what they need to do,

but you said it took 20 minutes

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for the police to show up.

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That doesn't make, so talk to

us a little bit about that.

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yeah, that part, you

know, that was like, wow, you know, but

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it was a lot of stuff going on that day.

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Let me just say this here, all glory

be unto God, because the simple fact

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that The way everything was and for

that incident to happen, everything

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turned out the way it did, I thank God.

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It was un excusable for that to occur.

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They were in the mission, our police,

now this is afterwards where I

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get the chance to investigate why.

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They were in the mission, uh, or in the

middle of transitioning to a unified

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police operation here in our area

because there's a bunch of small bureaus

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here together and they decided to make

one police force to cover them all.

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But that Sunday.

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That police force wasn't formed yet.

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It was supposed to be

starting the next week.

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Now, how you leave something unintended

for a whole day like that in an area

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like this blows my mind, but that was

a choice that they decided to make.

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And so the police officers who they

call now, another thing I would say

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is that we called an active shooter.

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All right.

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And so that part really has me upset as

well, that we called an active shooter.

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I don't care about what jurisdiction I

don't care about, you know, Um, anything

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because people's life is on the line.

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At that point, I believe

the nearest police station.

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I understand that they have to be

careful because they could be sued to.

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But when you're talking about active

shooter, there's a police state

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of Pittsburgh City limits is only

two minutes away from my church.

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They could have came a lot faster

than a Turtle Creek police that came.

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And when they got here,

only one officer came.

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So he got here.

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in like, you know, 15 minutes after him.

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Now I need to say the

call had to go through.

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So I'm holding them all weather

calling and we got time stamps of,

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you know, at the time when my wife,

who was the last person to call, who

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even called two minutes after they

call to the time the police got here.

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You, we, it was 15 minutes easily, but

I still had to hold him prior minutes

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before they can even get the call

through, you know, we did things wrong

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herself, which comes with awareness,

learning that in situations like

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that, only one person called too many

calls, they get overloaded with calls.

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One person called explain the situation.

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It will help save a little bit of time.

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But at the same token, the police force

that actually did the state troopers

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are the ones who had jurisdiction.

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Now they're 22 miles away and

we call at like 1:06 and they

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don't get dispatched to 1:11.

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They should have already been

here in that time period.

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And then they come in 22 miles away.

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So only one officer came and

then even 10 minutes after that,

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the other one come about 1:31.

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So we were holding the guy down from

1:05 till they get outside at 1:31.

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By the time they got in

here, it was even more time.

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Chris P. Reed: So.

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So when you say the other one came,

you mean the other fire department?

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Ambulance, SWAT.

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The other one came, the other one,

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Tony Tidbit: the

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police

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officer,

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Rev Glenn Germany: the other, there,

there may be total officers that came

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to the scene with maybe four officers.

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Now, once the one got here and we

got him in the car, maybe he call

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and say everything is, you know,

uh, different, but I don't know.

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But, you know, the sad part

is we call an active shooter.

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Didn't know.

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Amlan's come.

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No fire.

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Um, truck come.

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Nothing.

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One officer came and me and that

one officer and we got footage

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of it that they didn't see.

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It was on a video.

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You know, someone filmed on a video phone.

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One officer came, me and that one officer.

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We got Walk the guy out to the

officer's car ten minutes later.

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That's why I have time to talk to him.

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Is that that's when the other

police officers get here.

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Now only like three more officers came.

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Tony Tidbit: Let's back up.

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Let me say this

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Chris P. Reed: though, Tony.

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Let me say this.

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Go ahead.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm so sorry.

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Buddy,

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Tony Tidbit: this is Woo!

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Chris P. Reed: So first of all, first

of all, Pastor Glenn, I want to give

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you some grace in the fact that you said

maybe we didn't do everything right.

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You're not supposed to be

learning, educated on all of

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the protocols in an emergency.

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Like dang, you did so much right.

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Don't put that on you, bro.

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Don't put that on your heart.

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You did what you needed to.

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You called the authorities.

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The authorities are supposed to

be authoritative at that point

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in time and come and save you.

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You had already did all the

saving you needed to do that day.

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They need to come in, you know, with

the cavalry and save you or at least

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secure the scene and the situation.

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It is a tragedy.

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When we talk about tragedy, that

seems to unfortunately be the

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greatest tragedy in all of this.

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Is that you didn't get no support

from the people that are there to

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protect the server serving protect

you guys and that's the confusion.

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That's the frustration.

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It's interesting that there

is more emotion for you from a

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negative perspective in that.

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Then it wasn't

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a man that tried to kill you, kill you,

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Tony Tidbit: buddy.

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I mean, think about it for a second.

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And again, maybe it's me.

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I never, you know, you learn as a kid,

call 9 1 1, the instructions wasn't, well,

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don't call if somebody else calls, okay?

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At the end of the day, people call

9 1 1 about situ they get multiple

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calls, which they should get, right?

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About a circ a situation.

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So it has nothing to do with, oh, maybe

we should, uh, we called too much.

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No, it's an active shooter.

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You're supposed to call,

multiple people supposed to call.

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That's not that.

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I'll be honest with you, to Chris's

point, that has nothing, you guys

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have no accountability on that.

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That is the police force, that's the 9

1 1 operator, that's, that's them, okay?

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Number two, 20 minutes, and, and, and

look, definitely want to praise God.

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We want to, you know, praise you guys

for what you did to defuse the situation.

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But this could have turned out, I mean,

think about it, what if he got some shots

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off, somebody could have died and only

one officer comes in an active shooting.

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So did you think about, and again, we

can always, you know, uh, uh, uh, play

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Monday morning quarterback, but did you

think about what could have happened

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and by the police not showing up?

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Rev Glenn Germany: Yes, I actually, you

know, that runs through my mind a lot.

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And I actually, you know, there are

things, you know, I'm still challenging

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the day and I know I can't, I'm not

allowed to do this, you know, because

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I don't want to get arrested for it.

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But I told myself one day I just

want to call the police on a sunday

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and call active shooter and see

if they really made adjustments.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Because this area need police presence and

you know, I know and I hear y'all telling

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me that y'all making adjustments and I

hear y'all saying It was unexcusable.

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But what true evidence do I have

that y'all made adjustments?

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And the only test is to really just say,

okay, let's just call Actors Shooter

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and see what happens this time and

see if they really made adjustments.

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But I know I can't do that,

but truly that is in my heart.

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Tony Tidbit: Let me ask you

this though, and maybe you

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know this or maybe you don't.

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Talk a little bit about the community.

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What's the response time for

the police in any situation?

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Do you know that at all?

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Rev Glenn Germany: They said that they

would like the response time to be four

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minutes in any other part of the city.

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It would have been four minutes, you

know, and like I'm saying, when you

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call active shooter, the city limits

of Pittsburgh is not that far from us.

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It's just that when you deal

with the other, you know, other

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communities, they have police presence.

721

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We don't have police presence here.

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At all in our, in our neighborhood,

it needs to be when you're

723

:

dealing with a neighborhood and

it's not, don't get me wrong.

724

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It's not like a all out war

neighborhood, but still you need

725

:

police presence in the central of it.

726

:

So then at any given time they

can disperse in wherever part

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of the area they have to be.

728

:

But we, you know, we just don't have that.

729

:

Chris P. Reed: Let me ask

you a question real quick.

730

:

Um, is this the first instance of a

place like yours, a place of worship?

731

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That has become under attack.

732

:

And so they just didn't

have a protocol in place.

733

:

They didn't know how to respond.

734

:

I mean, they just didn't have

the wherewithal to do it.

735

:

Um, or, oh, it's not.

736

:

Oh, oh, okay.

737

:

Wow.

738

:

Tony Tidbit: So tell us about that.

739

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Tell us about that.

740

:

They're

741

:

Chris P. Reed: inexcusable.

742

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Rev Glenn Germany: We're 10

minutes from the tree of life.

743

:

Okay.

744

:

I don't know if you heard of

the tree of life incident that.

745

:

We're 10 minutes from the Jewish

synagogue, where 11 people died.

746

:

We're 10 minutes from there.

747

:

So they should have a protocol in place.

748

:

That happened a couple years ago.

749

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10 people, 11 people died.

750

:

They even coming out and actually,

you know, comforting us as well.

751

:

But we're 10 minutes from there.

752

:

So they had no excuse for not having a

protocol in place, none, especially as big

753

:

as the, uh, Tree of Life situation went.

754

:

Tony Tidbit: So, so

755

:

how is, based on all the things that have

happened, um, from the shooter, you guys

756

:

wrestling to the ground, the congregation,

obviously praying over him, loving him,

757

:

the lack of, um, emergency services.

758

:

From a mental standpoint, how, how

are you and your church members doing?

759

:

Rev Glenn Germany: We're pulling

through, you know, it's a process.

760

:

And a lot of times, you know, as

pastors, we take things lightly.

761

:

And I thank God that he

removed some of my defenses.

762

:

And what I mean by that is that, God can

empower me and let me overcome everything,

763

:

give me wisdom, understanding, open

my understanding, and it just empowers

764

:

you to be a more than a conqueror,

but some of the time he lets down my

765

:

defenses so I can really understand

the comfort that others need and I

766

:

can understand, you know, trauma.

767

:

People deal with it differently.

768

:

And even myself, I'm learning every

day of how it's, you know, yeah.

769

:

The effects that I'm getting like, I'm

like wanting to go like, okay, you know,

770

:

I've been here before, done this before.

771

:

And so I should be okay.

772

:

It's just crazy.

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You know, in my younger age,

it wouldn't affect me the way

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it does now that it affects me.

775

:

I'm, I'm actually really

suffering myself, you know, from

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:

this incident and small ways.

777

:

And every day I'm seeing it.

778

:

more ways that it's affected me.

779

:

The first way it hit me was the

initial event didn't hit me at all.

780

:

I was comfortable, but then

I had to take my daughter who

781

:

was here with me, who's 14.

782

:

She's seen it.

783

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And this is where, this is, this is,

784

:

this is where it always.

785

:

Get me at and I always

go into tears because

786

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Tony Tidbit: it's okay.

787

:

My brother,

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Rev Glenn Germany: I'm dealing with it

in a, in a, in a secondary aspect, just

789

:

watching my daughter have to process it.

790

:

That was the part that,

you know, I couldn't take.

791

:

And then my older daughter, she

called me and to watch her break

792

:

down every time I think about

793

:

every time I think about and

watching them break down.

794

:

It just, I have no power over.

795

:

It breaks me every single time.

796

:

Every interview, every

conversation about it.

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:

Chris P. Reed: Let me, let

me say this pastor because.

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:

I think the toughest part is something

that you and your people need healing

799

:

and, and, and support and assistance

on is that you guys are forced.

800

:

Cause you said the next

Sunday, you was back up there.

801

:

Y'all going back to

the scene of the crime.

802

:

I mean, think about how much mental

anguish it is to go back to the

803

:

scene of the crime, to fulfill the

task that the Lord has for you.

804

:

It wasn't a situation

where you could just.

805

:

Go somewhere else and start up

another church and forget all that.

806

:

You got to go back and somewhat

relive that every Sunday, every

807

:

three, I'm sorry, three times a week.

808

:

What'd you say?

809

:

Three times a week and keep the mission.

810

:

On task, right?

811

:

Keep the mission of building

the kingdom on task.

812

:

How difficult is that for you?

813

:

Mentally?

814

:

I know you got family, your daughter, your

brother, your wife, you got loved ones

815

:

that you actually wanted to support beyond

yourself and make sure they were safe.

816

:

Like, that was, you said that

earlier, your mindset was to make

817

:

sure everybody was safe, but you're

returning to that scene of the crime.

818

:

There has to be some residue.

819

:

That's established there.

820

:

Do y'all have the opportunity or the,

or the ability to talk to somebody or,

821

:

or have the, uh, ability to reach out

and make sure that y'all can get the

822

:

support like, like the, uh, the synagogue

received, you know, where people are

823

:

pouring in to make sure that y'all still

good and y'all can continue this mission

824

:

in the way in which you wanted it to go.

825

:

Rev Glenn Germany: Our resources is

totally different and I hate to say it

826

:

like this, you know, their resources,

the professionals that came with them,

827

:

I know that people die, but still

you're dealing with trauma, you know,

828

:

and to all respect to their situation,

you know, I watch how I speak about

829

:

it because 11 people did die and they

didn't have the outcome that we had.

830

:

And I thank God for that, you

know, but they're professional

831

:

people who stepped in.

832

:

It's totally different than

what was offered to us.

833

:

We get the generic resources, the, you

know, and no offense to the people who

834

:

trying to help and I thank them for trying

to help, you know, but at the same token,

835

:

you need a higher level of professionalism

coming in here, trying to help, not just

836

:

the neighborhood church down the street.

837

:

I mean, we got as much as wisdom

and counseling in any church.

838

:

So, you know, you just got to go to

a higher level of professional, like

839

:

the hospitals stepped in for them.

840

:

You know what I'm saying?

841

:

And different.

842

:

When they had their situation, and I'm,

I'm not looking for anything as far

843

:

as, you know, do for us the way y'all

did them, they, in one week, they got

844

:

over $3 million in support for them

and what they were going through, and

845

:

one week, we didn't even get $1100

846

:

support, you know, they got professionals

coming in, you know, I just started

847

:

speaking with the justice, uh, uh, U.

848

:

S.

849

:

Department of Justice.

850

:

They're actually now taking notice

because, uh, two nights ago, a young

851

:

lady get, uh, killed behind the church.

852

:

And so these things is now bringing

attention to this community

853

:

and now they're stepping in

and now I'm challenging them.

854

:

But no, the resources that we got here

compared to other people who have, I mean,

855

:

other communities and other synagogues

and churches, our resources is limited and

856

:

we're getting a limited edition by far.

857

:

Chris P. Reed: Have all the

members been comfortable enough?

858

:

To make their way back.

859

:

Um, it's got to be difficult

from a traumatic perspective.

860

:

I know I'm married and if I told my wife,

hey, we're gonna go to the church that the

861

:

man tried to come and shoot the spot up.

862

:

We would have to have a conversation,

some fasting, some prayer and

863

:

some other stuff before we.

864

:

So how does that work?

865

:

How is that working for you?

866

:

Because obviously you're always

trying to build and grow and

867

:

expand the word and witness.

868

:

How much more difficult is it in your

situation with your limited resources?

869

:

Rev Glenn Germany: Um, you know, we're

being, I think the greatest aspect of

870

:

counseling is coming from right here

with us, you know, being here with us,

871

:

you know, we're talking, you know, we

know our congregation, we're like family.

872

:

We're not just hirelings.

873

:

We know our people.

874

:

We spend time with our people.

875

:

We go places with our people.

876

:

You know, we talk on the phone all week.

877

:

I talked to every one of my people.

878

:

So, you know, That's the greatest aspect

of healing going on and comfort level.

879

:

I let them know that I'm doing

things now so we can have security.

880

:

Because even my wife told me, you know,

when someone walked in the church,

881

:

she looked back because I explained

to her, like, Right now I had to take

882

:

time off my job because, you know,

just doing my family, dealing with the

883

:

church, dealing with interviews and

everything, I'm not working at this point.

884

:

And so I still have to supplement

my income by going out at

885

:

times in Uber at nighttime.

886

:

And so the thing that is, you know,

I don't get paid from the church.

887

:

I don't get a payment at all

from the church, you know?

888

:

So the thing that, um, I was saying, and

it's, you know, it's affected me and I

889

:

understood what my wife was saying was

because like a young man got in my car.

890

:

And he was sitting in the back seat and

he opened up a Gatorade and it went pop.

891

:

And at that minute, you know, I'm

like looking back, then, um, the

892

:

whole ride, I'm like looking at him

saying, I wonder if he just gets in

893

:

the car, no reason, just try something.

894

:

I never thought that way before,

but now that's my thinking.

895

:

You, you understand what I'm saying?

896

:

And so I see how it's still every day,

something new is occurring that I'm like,

897

:

this is the effect of what happened.

898

:

And so.

899

:

you know, but it allows me

to be relatable to my people.

900

:

And so now I'm really

understanding, opening them,

901

:

seeing what things they need.

902

:

You know, most of them have came

back and, you know, most of them

903

:

is at the point where they just

like, you know, God brought him here

904

:

because this is a safe haven for him.

905

:

God knew that we would keep him

and God knew that he can get help.

906

:

Nothing happened.

907

:

And we're really trusting in God, you

know, by the same token, I know it

908

:

has to be some Residue because I got

residue and I'm about as strong as

909

:

anyone you're gonna find and I'm not

boasting But I'm just being honest,

910

:

but if I got residue they got residue

911

:

Tony Tidbit: Pastor tell the

audience specifically what

912

:

You know What donations, what resources

specifically that you need for your

913

:

church and your church members.

914

:

Chris P. Reed: And how

do we activate that?

915

:

Like what, what, yeah, absolutely.

916

:

Give him the pathways to make sure that

we can support you as a, as a African

917

:

American community, as a world community,

as a Christian community, how do we go

918

:

about supporting you, encouraging you

and making sure your guys, your people

919

:

get the assistance that they need and

the conversations that they need to have.

920

:

Rev Glenn Germany: Well, I thank y'all

for what you're doing now, because this

921

:

is an outlet for conversations, and

that's why, at this point, I haven't

922

:

turned down an interview, because of

the simple fact that this is something

923

:

that people need to hear, you know?

924

:

And my church is built around my theology.

925

:

And my, my life is my theology.

926

:

I live what I preach.

927

:

I practice what I preach in every aspect

of it is, you know, that's just how it is.

928

:

And the reason why I'm saying that

is because I'm reaching out to

929

:

people because like in my church,

I believe that God has gifted.

930

:

Everyone with their individual

gift and that gift have to

931

:

be given over to the kingdom.

932

:

You know what I'm saying?

933

:

We all don't have every gift and my

gift is teaching people the word of God.

934

:

My gift is helping people counsel.

935

:

I don't have the gift of understanding,

you know, like they asked me.

936

:

Okay.

937

:

What can we do as far as, you

know, how, you know, can you

938

:

give a vulnerability assessment?

939

:

Well, I'm not in security.

940

:

You need to have somebody who is skilled

in security, come, walk the building.

941

:

You know what grants are available.

942

:

You know what things are open.

943

:

I don't know what grants are available.

944

:

I'm focusing on pastor and

teaching, open up the word of God.

945

:

You know what I'm saying?

946

:

So my cry, and I'm asking

people, people who are gifted.

947

:

in writing, um, grants, people

who are gifted in understanding

948

:

what things are available.

949

:

I'm asking them, help me.

950

:

You know, I, I, I, I'm limited.

951

:

I'm not uneducated.

952

:

I'm well educated.

953

:

I'm street smart.

954

:

And so, you know, I comprehend very well.

955

:

And if you told me to do it, I can do it,

but with everything else I'm juggling,

956

:

it's not going to get done properly.

957

:

When there's people who do

this every day, who understand

958

:

every aspect of this, help us.

959

:

Just come and say, Hey, I want to help.

960

:

I can do that vulnerability

assessment that you need.

961

:

I can make sure you get

the grants you need.

962

:

We just wrote one for our church.

963

:

You know what I'm saying?

964

:

I know what type of resources y'all need

because I helped them through the same.

965

:

I need that type of people coming on

a board using their gift to help us.

966

:

My gift is to counsel the people,

make sure that they keep coming.

967

:

You know what I'm saying?

968

:

Keep them learning the word of God.

969

:

That's my gift.

970

:

And I try to stay in my lane.

971

:

You know, if I have to do something else,

then I, you know, I'm more than willing.

972

:

But something's going to be

missed, missing, because I'm

973

:

not doing this every day.

974

:

But for people who do things every day,

you know, we need extra funding for sure.

975

:

We need more resources for sure,

you know, and that always helps.

976

:

But at the same token, anyone

who understands this situation,

977

:

my cry to you is help us.

978

:

You know, this is something

that you deal with every day.

979

:

Help us.

980

:

Chris P. Reed: For those who have that

anointment, Pastor, how do they reach you?

981

:

Rev Glenn Germany: You can reach

us right through our website.

982

:

Um, it's

983

:

jesusdwellingplacechurch.

984

:

org.

985

:

You can reach us right on, uh, you can

look us up, Google us, and you'll see

986

:

our church address and our church phone

number, which is, you'll get strict, uh,

987

:

connected right to me, uh, 412 304 4338.

988

:

You know, you can, uh,

look on my Facebook page.

989

:

There's many ways if someone wanted to

reach out to help us, they can help us.

990

:

You know, I think the people who have

been helping us, but the people have

991

:

been helping us are people from like

my community who are on fixed incomes.

992

:

I'm getting $5 in the mail, $10 in

the mail, and I'm grateful for it.

993

:

Trust me.

994

:

And.

995

:

Our church is not, uh, we're not

one of them churches where we

996

:

beg for money and do something.

997

:

I mean, I'll just explain

this really quick.

998

:

At our church, we don't even

hand around an offering plate.

999

:

We keep a box in the back of our church.

:

00:48:48,675 --> 00:48:50,745

You're looking, the box is

right to my right hand corner.

:

00:48:50,755 --> 00:48:52,245

It stays on the side of the church.

:

00:48:52,475 --> 00:48:55,195

You give, you do it before

church, you do it after church.

:

00:48:55,345 --> 00:48:57,075

But we're not stopping service for giving.

:

00:48:57,115 --> 00:48:59,465

Our focus is teaching

people the Word of God.

:

00:48:59,695 --> 00:49:01,755

We go on different trips with our church.

:

00:49:01,785 --> 00:49:02,945

We do activities.

:

00:49:03,205 --> 00:49:06,355

Everything that we do is funded

100 percent by the church.

:

00:49:06,595 --> 00:49:11,255

We take our, we went down Alabama,

Virginia, uh, New York, uh,

:

00:49:11,315 --> 00:49:16,255

everywhere we go, Philadelphia, we

pay for the stay at the people stay.

:

00:49:16,445 --> 00:49:17,635

We feed the people.

:

00:49:17,665 --> 00:49:20,145

All you got to do is come everything.

:

00:49:20,165 --> 00:49:23,695

If our people ever have need, we

don't check and see how much you gave.

:

00:49:23,855 --> 00:49:24,909

If you have need.

:

00:49:25,070 --> 00:49:25,820

Let us know.

:

00:49:25,870 --> 00:49:26,750

We'll take care of it.

:

00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,470

That's the type of church we are.

:

00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:29,750

We're not churches.

:

00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:30,290

We're begging.

:

00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:32,840

God's been meeting our needs,

helping us all the time.

:

00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:33,870

And I'm grateful.

:

00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:37,270

So a lot of times I just be like,

God, I know you, you'll handle it.

:

00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:40,989

But some of the time, if you don't speak

about it, nobody will know about it.

:

00:49:40,990 --> 00:49:42,730

And so it has to be spoken about.

:

00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:48,740

And so my ask, my cry is that people who

understand the situation, you know, Who

:

00:49:48,740 --> 00:49:52,970

can know different things that we need

that I'm not able to see at this moment.

:

00:49:53,330 --> 00:49:54,660

Please get involved.

:

00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:58,350

Chris P. Reed: One of the pillars

of Christianity is charity.

:

00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:03,380

And so my question to you is, of all

this, obviously the tragedy of you

:

00:50:03,380 --> 00:50:07,720

guys not being adhered to by Uh, the

responders or the authorities to make

:

00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:09,940

sure that you were secure is very tough.

:

00:50:09,970 --> 00:50:14,860

The magnificence of God protecting

you and putting the cloak over you

:

00:50:14,860 --> 00:50:18,340

to make sure you stayed alive to tell

this story and bring light to some

:

00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:20,300

of these things is a wonderful deal.

:

00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,870

But what would be one final thought that

you would want to leave with our listeners

:

00:50:24,060 --> 00:50:28,610

or one thing that you'd like to say or

resonate above all with this conversation

:

00:50:28,620 --> 00:50:29,790

we've been able to have with you today?

:

00:50:31,075 --> 00:50:34,065

Rev Glenn Germany: The greatest thing I

would want to say to our, to people who

:

00:50:34,065 --> 00:50:38,865

are listening, and to be honest, you know,

a lot of times focus on the incident, a

:

00:50:38,865 --> 00:50:45,035

lot of times focus on the need, but the

greatest aspect is like, there's no sin

:

00:50:45,045 --> 00:50:49,715

beyond God's redemption, you know, I want

people to understand, it don't matter

:

00:50:49,715 --> 00:50:54,715

what someone done, we need to learn to

forgive one another, you know, give them

:

00:50:54,755 --> 00:51:01,985

the, um, give them the opportunity, give

them the opportunity to know the Lord,

:

00:51:01,985 --> 00:51:08,115

you know, And the greatest aspect is,

once again, I tell people all the time,

:

00:51:08,115 --> 00:51:12,065

what they see on video was not a miracle,

and I'm not saying it wasn't a miracle,

:

00:51:12,085 --> 00:51:18,195

it was, it can be argued that, you know,

scientifically, the gun jammed, and people

:

00:51:18,195 --> 00:51:22,245

can, you know, say, well, it gun jammed

off an RA, I'm not going to argue that,

:

00:51:22,245 --> 00:51:25,825

you don't want to say it's a miracle,

okay, I'm okay with it, but to be honest

:

00:51:25,835 --> 00:51:30,835

with you, the greatest miracle that I ever

saw, and no one can argue, I know my past.

:

00:51:31,265 --> 00:51:34,575

And God was able to take someone

like me with a past that I

:

00:51:34,575 --> 00:51:36,385

had and actually save me.

:

00:51:36,565 --> 00:51:40,345

And if he can save me and have me

here standing in my sound mind,

:

00:51:40,515 --> 00:51:43,895

talking about how good he is,

he can do the same for anyone.

:

00:51:44,285 --> 00:51:47,735

So my message to anyone is I don't

care where you are, who you are, I

:

00:51:47,735 --> 00:51:49,065

don't care what you've been through.

:

00:51:49,405 --> 00:51:52,575

There is no sin that is

greater than God's grace.

:

00:51:52,935 --> 00:51:57,135

And God is willing and waiting

for you to repent and come home.

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Tony Tidbit: Amen, my brother.

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Amen.

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Pastor Glenn, number one, my friend.

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00:52:03,655 --> 00:52:09,045

Um, I want to thank you for appearing on

a Black Executive Perspective podcast,

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00:52:09,525 --> 00:52:15,815

your love for your fellow human being,

your love for God is just instrumental.

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00:52:15,825 --> 00:52:17,665

It's, it's, it's just pouring out.

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00:52:17,945 --> 00:52:22,005

I can imagine what you've been

teaching your, your, your, your

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00:52:22,005 --> 00:52:25,485

members and the love that they

have for their fellow human being.

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00:52:25,735 --> 00:52:28,425

And I'm going to ask our audience,

because I learned this a long time ago.

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00:52:28,755 --> 00:52:30,295

How does God bless people?

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00:52:30,775 --> 00:52:31,455

Through people.

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So I'm asking everyone who's listening

and watching this episode of a

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00:52:36,561 --> 00:52:38,164

Black Executive Perspective podcast.

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00:52:39,085 --> 00:52:44,425

And we're going to have their website

and their number up and please, from

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00:52:44,425 --> 00:52:47,595

the bottom of your heart, give, right?

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00:52:47,635 --> 00:52:51,735

As pastor stated, they don't,

they know what they know.

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00:52:52,325 --> 00:52:58,625

And at the end of the day, based on the

humanity, That they have shared and showed

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in a very hostile situation, which could

have went a long way, a different way,

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00:53:04,735 --> 00:53:09,345

but the love that they continue to show,

not just the outside community of their

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police force and, and emergency services,

but to the gunmen that tried to kill them.

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They showed love and patience

and they turned the other cheek.

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So I'm asking you and the Black Executive

Perspective podcast is going to make

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00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:27,060

a donation to Jesus Dwelling Church.

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00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:32,580

I'm asking you to also make a

donation and bless these people

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00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:34,520

as they have blessed the world.

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00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:38,780

Pastor Glenn, we want to thank you for

coming to a Black Executive Perspective.

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00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,700

We're going to have you come back because

we want to hear how things are going.

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00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:42,779

You're welcome.

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00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,810

Um, and more importantly, when

I'm in the Pittsburgh area, trust

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00:53:45,810 --> 00:53:48,660

me, my brother, I'm gonna come

and check out your church, right?

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00:53:48,660 --> 00:53:50,090

I love it.

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And especially with the part

where the pastor, you can stop

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00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,390

the pastor and you hold on now.

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00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,900

I love that part, right?

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00:53:59,110 --> 00:54:03,660

But all, all, all jokes aside, my

friend, um, thank you for coming on.

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00:54:03,970 --> 00:54:08,400

This is a tragic event, but

to your point, God's love.

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00:54:08,735 --> 00:54:13,875

His wisdom always surpasses

any incident that we may have.

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So thank you again for joining us.

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00:54:15,425 --> 00:54:17,525

Rev Glenn Germany: I appreciate it.

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Thank you, Chris.

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And thank you, Tony, for having me.

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It's truly a blessing.

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And we do plan on, well, I

do plan on being instrumental

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in the young man's life.

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I actually spoke with the

police officer, you know, and

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I let them know my background.

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I have an understanding and they told

me it's okay for me to contact him.

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So I will be contacting him,

going to visit him and be

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instrumental in his rehabilitation.

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Thank you.

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Tony Tidbit: That is

beautiful, my brother.

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That is beautiful.

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So thank you.

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So I think it's now time for

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BEP Narrator: Tony's

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00:54:46,465 --> 00:54:47,075

Tidbit.

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Tony Tidbit: It's time

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for Tony's Tidbit.

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And the tidbit, as always, epitomizes

what we talked about today.

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00:54:53,555 --> 00:54:57,875

Divine intervention does not always

come in the form of miracles.

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00:54:58,525 --> 00:55:04,495

Sometimes it is seen in the courage

of everyday heroes among us.

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00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:11,750

And this, uh, tidbit epitomizes the

church of Jesus dwelling because everybody

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00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:16,300

there rose to the occasion and they

rose to the occasion because of how

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00:55:16,310 --> 00:55:20,760

Pastor Glenn has helped them open their

eyes and learn more about the Lord.

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So we want to thank you.

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00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:26,450

Chris P. Reed: It's also time

in our weekly segment for

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00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:27,840

Need to Know with Nsenga.

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00:55:28,050 --> 00:55:30,720

Nsenga, what do you feel like

we need to know this week?

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Hello and

welcome to Need to Know with Nsenga.

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00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:36,620

Thank you for joining me today.

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00:55:36,620 --> 00:55:36,940

I'm Dr.

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00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:37,920

Nsenga Burton.

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00:55:37,980 --> 00:55:40,670

I am a scholar.

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00:55:40,990 --> 00:55:45,220

An activist, uh, and someone

who knows a little bit, an ex,

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00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:47,200

an expert in intersectionality.

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00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,840

That's the intersection of race,

class, gender, sexuality as it

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00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,340

relates to media industries.

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00:55:51,550 --> 00:55:56,950

Today I wanna talk about Congresswoman

Jasmine Crockett and the iconic,

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00:55:57,010 --> 00:56:02,800

beautiful, and lovely and very talented,

uh, and accomplished Kelly Rowland.

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Um, of course.

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00:56:04,685 --> 00:56:08,515

One third of Destiny's Child,

solo artist, a mom, wife, all the

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00:56:08,525 --> 00:56:12,885

things, and this angry black woman

stereotype that black women have to

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00:56:12,885 --> 00:56:16,205

face, especially black executive.

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00:56:16,355 --> 00:56:18,505

This is something I've

faced in my own career.

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00:56:18,515 --> 00:56:22,225

When you are a dynamic black woman

who is in complete control of

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00:56:22,225 --> 00:56:29,460

herself and is competent in your

job and usually has performance that

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00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:34,750

exceeds that of others, you are often

dubbed as the angry black woman.

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00:56:35,070 --> 00:56:37,690

I've experienced this

myself in the workplace.

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00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:41,340

I've been told to make myself smaller

so that other people, particularly

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men, um, aren't afraid of me.

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00:56:45,550 --> 00:56:48,200

Other women aren't afraid of me.

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I've said something to a staff member,

Um, you know, a support staff member,

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00:56:53,470 --> 00:56:56,980

I'll say it and they won't hear it

or if they push back, but if, you

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00:56:56,980 --> 00:57:01,980

know, someone with a testicle says it,

then they will jump to it right away.

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So it's not just men who malign,

um, or dismiss, um, Um, or who

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00:57:07,310 --> 00:57:10,540

require women to be less than.

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And so I want to talk about this in

the context of what happened with

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00:57:13,940 --> 00:57:19,300

Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett and, uh,

Kelly Rowland, who of course is an icon,

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00:57:19,810 --> 00:57:24,510

um, of many, in many ways, but you know,

one third of Destiny's Child, one of the

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00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:27,460

bestselling bands, groups of all time.

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00:57:28,825 --> 00:57:33,335

So if you've been living under a

rock this week, um, a Congresswoman,

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00:57:33,355 --> 00:57:37,225

Jasmine Crockett, she's Congresswoman

from Texas, uh, got into it.

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00:57:37,305 --> 00:57:41,895

And I just say, got into it, uh, is,

uh, Marjorie Taylor Greene who is a

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00:57:41,905 --> 00:57:44,185

Congresswoman from Georgia where I live.

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00:57:44,255 --> 00:57:47,975

Marjorie Taylor Greene does what

Marjorie Taylor Greene is allowed to do.

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00:57:48,305 --> 00:57:51,055

Attacked her personally, uh,

attacked Jasmine Crockett

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00:57:51,095 --> 00:57:55,005

personally about her appearance,

um, talking about her eyelashes.

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00:57:55,035 --> 00:57:56,205

And then Jasmine.

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00:57:56,395 --> 00:57:57,645

Crockett went in on her.

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The response has been, Oh my gosh, look at

these two women debasing themselves, look

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00:58:04,245 --> 00:58:09,375

at these two women, you know, and with

people equating what one did to the other.

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00:58:10,105 --> 00:58:13,245

So Marjorie Taylor Greene

literally attacked this woman.

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The expectation though, and this is the

expectation of black executive women is

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00:58:18,615 --> 00:58:26,320

for Jasmine Crockett to ignore, dismiss,

and, Or just take whatever Marjorie

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00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,240

Taylor Greene and her cronies give

her without standing up for herself.

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That is actually a requirement.

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00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:36,380

Whether HR admits it or not.

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A requirement for dynamic black women.

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In executive spaces, the same Kelly

Rowland was spoken to in a way that

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she thought was unprofessional and

inappropriate, uh, as she was attending

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00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:52,580

the red carpet at the con film festival.

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00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:57,410

When I tell you, my colleagues in the

media have been trying desperately to

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00:58:57,410 --> 00:59:01,680

paint this woman as a difficult person

because she actually stood up for herself

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to a subordinate, a support staff member.

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Is just spot on for what we talk

about when we talk about the

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angry black woman stereotype.

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So it's like, as long as you're doing it

with a smile, being a dynamic black woman,

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00:59:17,185 --> 00:59:23,905

you're willing to, um, dismiss people's

microaggressions, macroaggressions, any

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00:59:23,905 --> 00:59:28,065

type of aggressive behavior against you at

any level, it doesn't have to be a boss.

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It can be a support staff, someone

who reports to you at any level, then

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you are labeled an angry black woman.

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I'd like to remind people that Jasmine

Crockett Is a Congresswoman, a Congress

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person who is actually in Congress.

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Congress is a workplace,

so she should be afforded.

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The same level of professionalism that

everyone else has afforded in Congress.

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Now, you know, if you watch Congress,

we are in a downward spiral.

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Uh, there's no real decorum anymore.

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Um, you know, the people who are in

Congress, many who have been elected,

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um, I just do not conduct themselves

with any type of professionalism.

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Um, they seem to have no

knowledge of how Congress works.

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And I do believe that Marjorie

Taylor Greene is one of these people.

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Um, they have no interest in learning

how the process works and, and I live

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01:00:20,050 --> 01:00:23,580

in Georgia, by the way, so I can say

this, they appear to have no interest

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01:00:23,580 --> 01:00:27,030

in how Congress works so that they

can get with the people of Georgia

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01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:29,480

who have elected them, um, to office.

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And so, you know, when you are

incompetent, when you are out of your

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league, uh, when you are not prepared

for meetings and such, um, the same

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thing that happens in workplaces to the

rest of us is what happens in Congress.

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You have a colleague who wants to

deflect from them being unprepared

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01:00:48,945 --> 01:00:54,225

or not really, you know, present

intellectually present, um, or just

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01:00:54,225 --> 01:00:59,745

not really willing to, uh, learn the

norms of the office or how things work.

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And so they lash out in different

ways and they elevate behaviors

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based on stereotypes about others, i.

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e.

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black women.

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So instead of people saying, Oh

my gosh, Marjorie Taylor Greene

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insulted that woman in the workplace.

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Something should be done about

this because it is a pattern of

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behavior for Marjorie Taylor Greene.

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It becomes Jasmine Crockett

should have taken the high road.

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So my question is, how long are

black women, especially dynamic black

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women, expected to take the high road?

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And when you don't take the high road,

why do we have to be punished when

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we are standing up for ourselves,

defending ourselves, or just giving

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the same energy that was given to us?

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Why does it, why is the onus

on us to be the bigger person?

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And I know this sounds like middle

school, but if you look at Congress

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01:01:47,735 --> 01:01:49,560

today, It looks like middle school.

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01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:50,550

All right.

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So yeah, we want to be Michelle Obama.

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When they go low, we go high,

but in real life, we know

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that that doesn't always work.

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And the assumption that Jasmine

Crockett has not tried to go high as

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it relates to Marjorie Greene Taylor

and her cronies is also rooted.

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Uh, in this, uh, racist and sexist, I

would say misogy misogynoir ideology

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about black women executives.

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And I say the same thing

with Kelly Rowland.

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Um, the, the idea that she's difficult

when she has had, I mean, 30 year

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career that has said everything but

the opposite, has said the opposite

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01:02:26,345 --> 01:02:29,545

of, uh, her being difficult is asinine.

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So to try to.

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Make it so that as she rises as

an individual, um, in her acclaim,

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01:02:36,910 --> 01:02:39,730

even though we all know she's

highly acclaimed, right, if, if you

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01:02:40,100 --> 01:02:43,980

follow her career, you know, she's

highly acclaimed, um, and this.

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01:02:44,585 --> 01:02:50,995

What appears to be this clear intention

to make her out to be this angry black

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woman is really telling more about

us as a society than it is about her.

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And I'd also like to remind people

that celebrities are in the workplace

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when they're on the red carpet.

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They're not there just having fun so that

you can go and do like, who's the best

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01:03:05,085 --> 01:03:08,145

dress, who's the worst dress, who had

the best that, and that that's for you.

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They are at work.

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They are showing up because they have

been obligated to show up, right?

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It's all part of an industry.

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It's all part of a system.

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So she is at work.

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She's in the workplace

and she's Kelly Rowland.

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They all need to stop pretending

that she's like just some woman

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01:03:22,395 --> 01:03:23,795

rolling up on the red carpet.

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If you're on the Canne red

carpet, you are a significant

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01:03:26,655 --> 01:03:28,255

figure in entertainment, period.

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01:03:28,415 --> 01:03:30,535

If you are significant figure

in entertainment, period.

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You should be treated a certain way.

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And the baseline is professionalism.

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So no, you know, I don't know what

transpired where she had to tell

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him, don't talk to me that way.

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He touched her a couple of times.

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01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:46,880

If you saw the video, um, I don't

even know why that's appropriate.

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01:03:47,235 --> 01:03:48,245

You know, all the touching.

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01:03:48,785 --> 01:03:51,795

Um, if you touch people, sometimes

it sets them off, they're triggered.

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01:03:51,825 --> 01:03:53,605

They've had other

experiences or what have you.

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01:03:53,995 --> 01:03:55,765

That is professionalism one on one.

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01:03:55,785 --> 01:03:59,435

Do not touch another person in the

office, you know, in kindness or

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in hate, just don't touch them.

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Right.

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01:04:02,465 --> 01:04:06,955

Um, so when we think about these

things, Congress, when we think about

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01:04:07,005 --> 01:04:08,695

the red carpet, they are workplaces.

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01:04:08,765 --> 01:04:13,695

These are where black executive

professional people in general, uh,

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01:04:13,695 --> 01:04:15,685

women specifically in this instance.

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01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:21,490

Uh, exist and so they should be

treated with the same respect

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01:04:22,020 --> 01:04:25,390

and decorum as everyone else.

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01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:30,180

And when those lines are crossed,

they should not be expected to

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01:04:30,180 --> 01:04:33,190

not stand up for themselves, which

is what people want us to do.

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01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:34,520

Right.

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01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:38,130

And when you do stand up for

yourself, you are labeled difficult.

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01:04:38,529 --> 01:04:40,540

Oh, we need to have a

change in leadership.

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01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:44,060

You know, even though this person is

getting all the things done that we

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01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:46,870

need them to get done, which is why

they've been invited to be on the

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con, the Canne red carpet, or which is

why they're been elected to Congress.

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Um, we still need you to make

yourself smaller so that other

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people feel okay about themselves.

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We still need you to take the, uh,

the higher road so that we can ignore

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all the misogyny, all the white

supremacy, all the patriarchy that

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is being thrown at you, um, in these

particular spaces that are hostile to us.

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And my last point is this, in a

world where we're literally erasing

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black people in general, brown people

too, black and brown people, um,

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immigrant people, um, from history

books for the comfort of white people.

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Because that's really the

reason that was given, right?

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It wasn't for any other reason

other than the comfort, right?

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Oh my God, my students,

my kids are uncomfortable.

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People are uncomfortable

talking about this.

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When are we going to start thinking

about Black women's comfortability?

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When do we get to be comfortable?

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In the workplace question.

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Have a great day.

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Chris P. Reed: Thank you.

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Nsenga.

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That was a great word and

it's going to go a long way.

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We truly appreciate it.

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Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

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That was some great information.

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Nsenga.

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Thanks a lot.

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So I hope everyone has enjoyed our episode

today, 20 minutes too late, a church

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crisis and the delayed police response.

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So I think it's now time for our call

to action and our call to action to

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L E S S, and we want everyone to

incorporate this call to action.

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L stands for learn.

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We want everyone to learn about

different people, different races.

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This way you can enlighten yourself

and become more emboldened to

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meeting new individuals and

accepting new circumstances.

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Chris P. Reed: And the E, it stands

for empathy to understand the diverse

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perspective and make sure things are

not only non denominational, but no

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denominational as it relates to the

perspective that people can provide.

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Tony Tidbit: Exactly.

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And then S stands for share.

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Now you want to share what you've

learned to your friends and family so

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they can become enlightened as well.

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Chris P. Reed: And then

the S stands for stop.

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The second S is for stop.

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Cause we want to actively stop the work

of discrimination and foster inclusivity.

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We want to make sure that we check

those who are being exclusive and who

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are being discriminatory in their ways.

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And at the dinner table, at the, at

the, uh, opportunities at the water

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cooler, make sure if you see something,

you say something that correct these

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people because we learn from each other.

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Tony Tidbit: And by doing this,

when we all can go ahead and move

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forward, this call to action.

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Guess what?

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We're going to make a more fair,

more understanding world, and

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we're going to be able to see

the change that we want to see.

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So everyone, incorporate less, make more.

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L.

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E.

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S.

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S.

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So more importantly, we want to thank

you for joining another episode of a

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Black Executive Perspective podcast.

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Uh, again, 20 minutes too late, a church

crisis and a delayed police response.

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Chris P. Reed: Make sure we're talking

before we get out of here, make

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should be addressing, make sure you leave

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And hopefully it's something that we

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Tony Tidbit: Yes.

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And follow a black executive perspective.

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For our fabulous guests, Pastor

Glenn Germany, We want to thank him

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for joining for my man, Chris P.

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Reed, give him a shout out, Chris,

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Chris P. Reed: man, appreciate

all the people, all of the love.

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And this is just a, the epitome of

what, um, good people are about what

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this man has talked about today.

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And I think it'll fill a lot

of our viewers with the spirit

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and hopefully move them.

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To be charitable and to be understanding

and to be patient and to accept the

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grace that they have before them.

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Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

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And then for our producer, Noel

Miller, who is working behind the

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glass to make this all possible.

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I'm Tony Tidbit.

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We talked about it.

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We love you and we're out.

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