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DJ Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

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I'm DJ Sir Daniel.

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And my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government

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as Johnnie Ray Kornegay the third.

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And real quick, Sir Daniel, I want to send love and a shout out to Phi

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Beta Sigma Fraternity Incorporated.

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Today is our founder's day, 111 years.

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So shout out to all the brothers of Sigma.

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Love y'all and we hear sir.

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Daniel.

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This is our first public live of 2025 We did a live but it was a private one last.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Oh, yes.

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Yes.

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You like wait a

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minute.

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DJ Sir Daniel: We was

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live

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DJ Sir Daniel: last week No, but you're absolutely correct.

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Um, yes, this is our first live and because we are the the podcast dropping

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the needle on black music history, you know, we You know Gotta keep shout.

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We gotta a shout out to, to the Divine.

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So shout out to you and your brothers.

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Yes.

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Um, it was nothing but blue and white all on my timeline today.

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Yes.

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So I was like, it gotta be, it gotta be Founder's Day for the brothers . And

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um, also before we get started, um, we want to give, to send Massive love.

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Yes.

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And um, and just prayers to the people in Los Angeles.

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Right now, who are, you know, fighting for their lives, basically making sure

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that they evacuate, um, if they have to evacuate because of those ongoing

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fires, I heard something very important today that needed to be said, um, a lot

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of us who are outside of Los Angeles looking in might believe that it.

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These fires are only affecting rich people.

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That is not

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DJ Sir Daniel: true.

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That's not the case.

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There are a lot of people who are low income, middle income,

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middle class, um, who are just being disenfranchised as we speak.

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So I think we need to, you know, turn up the empathy.

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Absolutely.

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I think it's really every time there is A natural disaster.

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Literally my reflex is if a person is poor, what do they do?

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Like when they need to evacuate, like, how do they evacuate?

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If you are an individual that does not have a mode of transportation and

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they're like, you need to leave your area and you need to go somewhere.

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Like, where do you go?

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And this is where, when we talk about, um, Public resources and all of that

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that this is why voting is really important like we have to be able to

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do it Because this is devastating.

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I have seen so many images Um, we've seen video i've actually talked to

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people so i've reached out to some of our people Um to make sure that they

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were good now that was yesterday.

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I got to check in with people today Yeah, because it's a day by day thing.

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And so Listen empathy turn up the empathy because I can't imagine So

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Daniel, I literally was like, I've never seen anything like this before.

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I can't imagine what I would do in this situation.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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Same, same over here.

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Um, also thinking about us here in Georgia, you know, we're keeping

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our fingers crossed here in Georgia.

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Cause mother nature is about is doing her big one right now.

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Yes.

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All across the nation.

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And, um, yeah, just everybody just be safe.

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And, um, And keep in contact with your loved ones, whether they're on

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the East Coast or the West Coast.

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And just, you know, key points we wanted to show our love to you guys and

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just make sure that you're doing good.

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And just, of course, letting us know if we need to amplify a

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signal for you, if you need help.

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Let us know and we'll do what we can to, on our end, as far as our

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resources to help amplify the word.

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Yeah.

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So definitely want to send, um, we just put that up from Mark McPherson.

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Shout out to Mark.

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Thank you so much for, for joining us, Mark, um, as always.

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And Mark was just saying, um, the fire has impacted his family.

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Uh, a cousin lost her home and a husband and a, and another doesn't

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know if his home is still there.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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My goodness.

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DJ Sir Daniel: That see, those are the types of things that, We just don't

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think about, we don't think about those things and until they happen to you.

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Yep.

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So what we like to do here, you know, at Queue Points, um, you know, maybe

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this, you're not listening to this while we're broadcasting live, but

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you're listening to this at another time and it's giving you some, some joy.

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That's cause that's what we want to do.

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So we, J.

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Ray and I, you know, we get, sometimes we don't eat these topics

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literally just fall into our laps.

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Because a lot of people, you know, you got

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to love social media for this.

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A lot of people have a lot of hot takes.

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I mean really hot takes and let's see.

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Let's start.

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Do we want to start off with the tweet?

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Let's

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let's start with it.

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Let's start with the tweet.

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This is so you saw this.

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Sir, Daniel, I have a question.

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Well, first of all, we're going to read the tweet And so Daniel,

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please what is this tweet?

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And what was your first thought when you read it because you

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shared it with me and I was like,

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DJ Sir Daniel: huh?

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so apparently, um Sade x goddess on december 29th Had an epiphany That r

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kelly wrote michael jackson's you were not alone and she went to x and tweeted it.

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Yes You So Mr.

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WizArab10 responded, quote tweeted, um, Sade, quote tweeted her and said,

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There is no better writer in the history of American music than R.

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Kelly.

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And of course, that set off quite the sandstorm of, you know,

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Tweets, replies, clapbacks, um, videos, it just, it went viral.

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Of course, as you can see down there, that, that tweet alone has gotten what?

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What is this right here?

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3.

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1 million views.

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DJ Sir Daniel: That just to let you, that just lets you know how polarizing R.

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Kelly.

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Is even when we're not talking about the, you know, the behaviors that landed

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him in prison, you know, people are making these hot takes about him being

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the best American songwriter ever.

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And then to top it all.

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On top of all of that, you know, Teedra Moses has been in the news.

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She's, you know, her tiny, since her tiny desk, she's been popping up on

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interviews and whatnot, and she made a stop at the R&B Money podcast.

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She did podcast, uh, with tank and, um, I forget the other hosts, but

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she made a comment regarding R Kelly that set Twitter on fire as well.

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And I believe we have a clip of that.

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We do have a clip

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of that.

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Adore you by Prince.

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Greatest Sex, R.

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Kelly.

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What a song!

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You can close your eyes and see everything he's saying.

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I was so angry when I heard that song.

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How did you get to anger?

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Because in my mind, I was always competing against him, even

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though I wasn't at that time.

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Space yet.

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And I was like, he's still so much better.

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The honest

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here inside my what do you say here on inside this bed of mine?

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I see ceiling fans and you on top of me.

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If you close your eyes, you can see it.

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Everything's in inside these walls.

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There was well a Capricorn top 5 RB songs.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Huh?

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So I believe okay.

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So Jay Ray, what is your reaction to that?

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And I'll let you know how come back to you.

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Um, so

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I think two things can be true at the same time.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Mm hmm.

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Um, As someone who has liked a lot of R.

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Kelly songs over the years, right?

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Um, I, I rebuke myself for, for liking R Kelly for longer than I should have.

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And I think I've talked about that on this show, right?

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I think two things can be true at the same time.

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I, um, I, I, I do not think that R Kelly is the greatest American songwriter.

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The reason why, by the way, I hovered over Sir Dixon's name is because I

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was like, is this person like a troll?

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And then I'm like, Oh, he has like 500 and he has like half a million followers.

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So he's not a troll.

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Right.

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So I Tiedra and tank are not off with the greatest sex, especially when you

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like jump into like lyrics like that.

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And you're like, yeah, like that is.

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Well crafted and interesting and I can see all the things and I

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get where they're coming from.

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I don't think it was worth.

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I don't think all of the vitriol that Tidra got.

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After that was worth it.

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I also don't think Teidra's responses were worth it either stuff.

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Many things can be true at the same time.

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Like, I feel like there's a lot of mess to go around.

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There's some mess with how she responded.

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There's some mess with the fact that we're talking about R Kelly and

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having to, at this point, and I feel like we have to do this reckon with

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his legacy, which is huge and vast.

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Um, And the fact that I think people be crazy on Twitter when they say stuff

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like he's the greatest songwriter I don't think that that's true, but I

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don't necessarily I don't think t dra and tank are wrong But I do think some

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of the tweets that t dra made were wrong.

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It's a lot going on with it.

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It's a lot

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, I think so Basically, I think that Tidra became the

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target of a lot of women specifically became the target because a lot of

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women feel like what happened in the R.

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Kelly situation as a woman, you should be as bothered and troubled by, um, The

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things that happen to these other young women and that you as a woman should

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have want nothing to do with this and then speaking out and still calling

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his name and giving him, you know, accolades about his talents is somehow

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cheapening and lessening the, um, what happened to these people, the victims,

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the people that had these experiences.

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And so.

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Yes, I think all of that people, sometimes it does, it just takes

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one person to become a target and to become a focal point for all of

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those thoughts that people have.

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And so that day just happened to be Teedra Moses.

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And now they've been whacking tank about, cause tank, this ain't the

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first time tank is, has been called R Kelly's name on their podcast.

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And they've been whacking the people who've been whacking

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tank about that for a while too.

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So it's like, there's just, so then it makes me think.

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Like, okay, is it worth it?

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Is R.

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Kelly's music that good to be calling out his name constantly

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and to risk, you know, the vitriol of the public coming down on you?

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So that's a question that popped up in my mind.

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And then when I got to thinking about it, I started thinking, Oh, I think.

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I understand why R Kelly's music still has a chokehold on black people.

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But let us have it.

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The DJ.

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So Daniel, we need a, we need a sound for this.

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DJ.

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So Daniel theory,

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DJ Sir Daniel: you know, guys, I have, I have a theory.

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I have thoughts.

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Okay.

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So

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It's threefold.

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So I believe R Kelly, I believe.

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I believe I can

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fly.

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DJ Sir Daniel: R Kelly came along at a very specific time.

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And he was able to master the R& B bad boy trope with a mix

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of sensitivity and sensuality.

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I believe.

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He came at the right time.

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He came on the coat on the coattails of Jodeci and Bobby Brown and I'll be sure

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and he took that trope of bad boy and just turn it up like he he turned it up

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bit by bit just to see how much we could take and and and the public was loving it.

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You know, women specifically, women specifically loved what R Kelly was

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giving, what he presented, what he rep, what he was presenting to them

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physically, you know, he's at that time.

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Um, you know, male R& B singers really had to, not only did you have

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to sound good, you had to look good.

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So you know, he had the body.

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He was, um, he had at every chance he could, you know, give you like somebody

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who may or may not have been in prison at one point, you know, and was giving you.

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Kind of, I just got out of prison fashions, but I'm, I'm singing to you

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at the same time and I want to make you feel safe and I'm, I'm going to sex

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you up and down and all around and just make you feel, you feel really good.

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So he met, but he was able to do other songs where he was able to, you know,

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sprinkle sensitivity in there and, you know, I want to, you know, make you feel

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like he's about to cry and, and we ate that, excuse me, we ate that stuff up.

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We ate it up.

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Women ate it up.

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And so he endeared himself to the public using that bad boy trope

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and fusing it with sensitivity.

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Second part.

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The black community, we have continuously had this back and

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forth conversation or this back and forth about The idea of masculinity

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and

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DJ Sir Daniel: how it should look and be performed.

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And R.

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Kelly just happened to come along and fulfill that and be like, Hey,

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that's something I can point to.

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That's what a real man does.

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I can feel by proxy, I can talk to my woman through R Kelly and exhibit

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maleness, masculineness, and, you know, take you down just by singing and take

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you down with these lyrics and, you know, You know, that's something that we held

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on to, you know, that's a good black man.

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That's a, you know, he's a sensual black man.

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We, he's our, he's our generations, Teddy Pendergrass and Marvin Gaye all

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rolled into one and, you know, and he looked like a man, man, you know?

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So.

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And those are things that the black community is constantly grasping for.

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Sure.

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Whether we want to admit it or not, we are constantly grasping for

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it, we are constantly pointing to examples to show what is, and now

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more than ever, what is not considered masculine or manly in the community.

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And so that, so that, those things keep us in a chokehold, kept, R.

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Kelly kept us in a chokehold.

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And last but not least.

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Jay Ray, R.

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Kelly's music is directly associated with good times and nostalgia.

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Yes.

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Point

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DJ Sir Daniel: blank period.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: There's no, like, if you're a certain age, I believe

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I Can Fly was sung at your, at your high school graduation.

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It was sung at your kindergarten graduation.

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Yes, it was.

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Okay, yeah, he did what all singers do when they want to make people cry and

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feel emotions He brings out a black choir To sing behind him and sing.

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I believe I can fly Um same thing with you are not alone.

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Yeah You know, those are, those are things that we hold on to that

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meant something to us that are, um, that was sung at our baptism.

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You are not alone because I'm walking, you know, um, Jesus is walking with me.

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R Kelly made me feel that and let's not, we popping, popping bottles in the club

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and having fun and, you know, grinding on each other to the, to the remix.

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And this is the remix to ignition.

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It was a, it was a good time.

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Those were like the gold.

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They refer to that as the golden era for a reason.

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Yeah, it was some good times.

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I R Kelly was just coming out of every speaker and we just cannot let that go.

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You are absolutely correct.

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I think the other layer to it as well.

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In addition to all of those three things is that R Kelly.

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And I think because of.

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Some of his own limitations, right?

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And, and, and in the way that he, um, you know, his education and

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all of those things communicated to people was in kind of a way that

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there was no ambiguity about what R.

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Kelly was talking about, right?

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So when we think about Some of the R& B music is so funny, like how it took

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us years to figure out that they was talking about like, Oh, they're talking

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about like, I know that's what you are.

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My Starship was about until you got, you started to understand nuance.

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You started to understand like, Oh, this is a euphemism

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for this other thing, right?

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Because as you grow, you get more education and you realize how

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to communicate with some nuance.

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You know what I mean?

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R Kelly didn't do nuance.

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DJ Sir Daniel: No.

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Not at all.

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You

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just didn't do.

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And I will tell you, I will tell you when I, um, as a former R Kelly fan, I'm

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going to keep repeating that because I want to be clear that I made a choice.

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Oh, in the early two thousands, really, um, to not be an R Kelly fan.

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Right.

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So just like I stepped in the name of love, unfortunately, just like with

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the best of us, you couldn't avoid it.

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It was a feel good song, but whatever, I digress.

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The thing that was so dope to me in the nineties, when R Kelly, when in

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particular, when 12 play came out.

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Was how unfiltered it was.

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So I was a kid, right?

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I wanted somebody to say they doing the thing that they doing, right?

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That was edgy and cool to me at the time, right?

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Um, it was like, Prince unfiltered, you know what I'm saying?

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Cause Prince, it was like Prince, whereas, you know, Prince was,

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Prince was a songwriter, right?

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So he could write with nuance.

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He could also be unfiltered, right?

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But that wasn't the lane.

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You know what I mean?

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Whereas I felt like R.

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Kelly was like saying the thing.

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And that was really cool to me at the time.

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Why is that important?

Jay Ray: 00:20:14

I think that is important because We're now at a place

Jay Ray: 00:20:20

where I wish we had more nuance.

Jay Ray: 00:20:24

Like, I wish, I wish that folks read more.

Jay Ray: 00:20:27

I wish that there were more words used.

Jay Ray: 00:20:29

I wish that folks could learn like new vocabulary words from music.

Jay Ray: 00:20:34

We not there anymore.

Jay Ray: 00:20:35

I think that R.

Jay Ray: 00:20:37

Kelly didn't force us to think about it too hard.

Jay Ray: 00:20:41

We felt he allowed us to just feel it and experience it.

Jay Ray: 00:20:46

Those are very valid.

Jay Ray: 00:20:48

Right.

Jay Ray: 00:20:49

Sure.

Jay Ray: 00:20:50

I also would like to be engaged up here.

Jay Ray: 00:20:56

R.

Jay Ray: 00:20:57

Kelly, to the point, it was feel good.

Jay Ray: 00:20:58

You felt it here.

Jay Ray: 00:20:59

You felt it in your groin.

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You felt it wherever you was going feeling.

Jay Ray: 00:21:02

It wasn't necessarily that you had to think about it.

Jay Ray: 00:21:05

You was just feeling it.

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And I, and I think.

Jay Ray: 00:21:09

That is also a thing that made folks love the music that he was making at the time.

Jay Ray: 00:21:18

Um, and is also a thing.

Jay Ray: 00:21:23

It's the, it's the, it's the good and the bad of it.

Jay Ray: 00:21:26

I think people saw that

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That he was able to do this right now.

Jay Ray: 00:21:34

Not keep not even recognizing that he had all these other talents to write.

Jay Ray: 00:21:38

So it wasn't just, you know, the lyrics.

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It was like the music and the composition and all those other things,

Jay Ray: 00:21:42

which were natural talents for him, but I think that everybody saw that

Jay Ray: 00:21:50

and was like, I want to do that.

Jay Ray: 00:21:52

That's great.

Jay Ray: 00:21:53

I want to do that.

Jay Ray: 00:21:55

It kind of left the other stuff alone and I'm like, yeah, that was cool.

Jay Ray: 00:22:00

But this other thing is cool too.

Jay Ray: 00:22:03

Like everything don't got to sound like 12 play or the R.

Jay Ray: 00:22:08

Kelly album.

Jay Ray: 00:22:09

I remember Sir Daniel and I'm going to stop in a minute, but I remember when.

Jay Ray: 00:22:15

You remind me of something came out I thought that song was riveting that dude

Jay Ray: 00:22:20

was literally singing y'all They this is who the brother said was the greatest

Jay Ray: 00:22:25

American songwriter that dude literally wrote the lyrics you remind me of my Jeep

Jay Ray: 00:22:33

Something like my bank accounts I want to spend it.

Jay Ray: 00:22:37

What, what, what's happening?

Jay Ray: 00:22:41

DJ Sir Daniel: And let's not forget the, the yodeling at the end,

Jay Ray: 00:22:43

right?

Jay Ray: 00:22:45

DJ Sir Daniel: The yodeling

Jay Ray: 00:22:48

we sometimes when the, when the young people, um, Make fun of us and talk

Jay Ray: 00:22:56

about y'all are, we are cri uh, uh, talk about our criticism of their music today.

Jay Ray: 00:23:01

And they point out certain things.

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That's what they think.

Jay Ray: 00:23:04

That's moment that they point out.

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And I'm just like, you got us there.

Jay Ray: 00:23:07

Yeah,

Jay Ray: 00:23:07

we, you got us.

Jay Ray: 00:23:08

We did that.

Jay Ray: 00:23:08

DJ Sir Daniel: He yodel.

Jay Ray: 00:23:09

Yeah, you got us there.

Jay Ray: 00:23:10

You right, you right.

Jay Ray: 00:23:12

That was, that was crazy.

Jay Ray: 00:23:13

You sounded crazy back then.

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And to it's, I think you are, you're onto something here.

Jay Ray: 00:23:19

It's like, there is, there's room.

Jay Ray: 00:23:23

There's room, there's definitely room for the un, the unserious.

Jay Ray: 00:23:28

There's room for camp.

Jay Ray: 00:23:29

That's it really is.

Jay Ray: 00:23:31

I, I think there, I really think we need more campiness.

Jay Ray: 00:23:34

Mm-hmm . We need more camp in you love camp.

Jay Ray: 00:23:36

Our culture.

Jay Ray: 00:23:36

Uh oh.

Jay Ray: 00:23:37

I love camp.

Jay Ray: 00:23:38

And, and I think there's, there should be room for that only because.

Jay Ray: 00:23:43

I think we are leaning more on the more destructive things that, whatever, for

Jay Ray: 00:23:50

whatever reason, people are finding solace and finding, you know, Amusement in the

Jay Ray: 00:23:56

things that are destructive, um, to not only to ourselves, but to each other.

Jay Ray: 00:24:02

Um, but yes, I, you're right.

Jay Ray: 00:24:06

We don't have to think hard when it comes to listening to a, uh, uh, R Kelly

Jay Ray: 00:24:11

song and the sons of R Kelly that have come along and the grand, the grandsons

Jay Ray: 00:24:17

that he have now that don't even sing.

Jay Ray: 00:24:20

They, they do this melodic stuff, but they're all, they're all part

Jay Ray: 00:24:24

of his lineage of saying things.

Jay Ray: 00:24:27

And then, you know, it's funny when we had that conversation

Jay Ray: 00:24:31

with, um, Leo, for our girl Leo.

Jay Ray: 00:24:36

And I think she's over, she's over on,

Jay Ray: 00:24:37

yeah, she's over there on IG.

Jay Ray: 00:24:38

What's up

Jay Ray: 00:24:39

DJ Sir Daniel: Leo?

Jay Ray: 00:24:39

You know, we had that conversation about women's, um, Reactions getting less

Jay Ray: 00:24:46

and less, um, anti whatever the women becoming more acclimated to the way

Jay Ray: 00:24:55

a lot of the singers and rappers were talking to them and even finding joy.

Jay Ray: 00:25:00

In the music, you know, we had a whole episode about that and it's got

Jay Ray: 00:25:05

to be said, you know, I think that the more we get things and we accept

Jay Ray: 00:25:11

them, the less abrasive they may sound and the less crazy they may sound.

Jay Ray: 00:25:17

But, you know, if you came up in a time like we did where We can tell a

Jay Ray: 00:25:21

distinct difference when things change.

Jay Ray: 00:25:23

Yeah,

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DJ Sir Daniel: it still kind of raises an eyebrow and then looking back.

Jay Ray: 00:25:27

We're like Was he really the greatest songwriter and we're going to stay

Jay Ray: 00:25:32

on that because that's what the topic is That's what the topic is is like

Jay Ray: 00:25:36

does he was he really the greatest songwriter because now what he was good

Jay Ray: 00:25:40

at What that is That rascal was good at, was good at making songs that the

Jay Ray: 00:25:46

radio, that radio programmers had no problem putting into heavy rotation.

Jay Ray: 00:25:52

J.

Jay Ray: 00:25:53

Ray, right here, right now, back in 2005, I remember when the program

Jay Ray: 00:26:00

director that out at the radio station that I was working at told us, and

Jay Ray: 00:26:06

I was producing a show called Loving Relationships with Joyce Letell on V103.

Jay Ray: 00:26:12

Our program director came to us and said, Hey guys, you

Jay Ray: 00:26:15

know, it would be a great idea.

Jay Ray: 00:26:18

And this is when somebody's, um, They're not telling you what to do,

Jay Ray: 00:26:22

but they're telling you what to do,

Jay Ray: 00:26:23

DJ Sir Daniel: but they're, they're suggesting, suggesting really

Jay Ray: 00:26:27

heavily that you guys do a show and string all the episodes of R.

Jay Ray: 00:26:36

Kelly's Trapped in the Closet and do a whole love and relationships.

Jay Ray: 00:26:41

Show around trapped in the closet, and I was like what sure okay?

Jay Ray: 00:26:49

We can do that But it was it was literally a no brainer the phone lines

Jay Ray: 00:26:54

were lit up all night people had all kinds of things to say It was It, he,

Jay Ray: 00:27:00

he did his, R Kelly did his big one with that because it got people talking.

Jay Ray: 00:27:05

It got people trying to guess what was going to happen next.

Jay Ray: 00:27:08

The songs, each one was less than a, if I can remember was less

Jay Ray: 00:27:12

than a minute and 30 seconds.

Jay Ray: 00:27:14

Which is, which is again is to his point is genius because it keeps people wanting

Jay Ray: 00:27:20

to hear more and then for radio that was absolutely, that was a gold mine for

Jay Ray: 00:27:27

radio because it keeps people tuning in.

Jay Ray: 00:27:30

So that's what his genius is.

Jay Ray: 00:27:32

He's good at getting us horny, good at getting us, you know, turned up.

Jay Ray: 00:27:38

And, um, and we're nosy.

Jay Ray: 00:27:40

So, of course, we want to hear, you know, want to hear what the, uh, what's going to

Jay Ray: 00:27:43

happen next when he opens up the closet.

Jay Ray: 00:27:49

So, okay, y'all let us know.

Jay Ray: 00:27:53

Drop it in the chat.

Jay Ray: 00:27:54

If you want to join us, we are planning to watch trapped in the closet.

Jay Ray: 00:27:59

I've never seen.

Jay Ray: 00:28:01

Any of them except of except if i've caught a clip, but it's been very few

Jay Ray: 00:28:06

and far between Literally r kelly does not trend in my algorithm really so

Jay Ray: 00:28:11

I don't really see a lot of r kelly stuff But so i've never seen them.

Jay Ray: 00:28:15

So sir.

Jay Ray: 00:28:16

Daniel and I are probably going to get together And we want to invite you and

Jay Ray: 00:28:20

for those of y'all that came to our live show Let them know how crunk it is

Jay Ray: 00:28:23

when you come and hang out with Queue Points Outside of here because we really

Jay Ray: 00:28:26

get to we really get to talk mess Um, but I want to watch the trapped in the

Jay Ray: 00:28:31

closet with sir Daniel and we might as well invite all of y'all because y'all

Jay Ray: 00:28:34

will want to watch it too We should all watch it together like a family.

Jay Ray: 00:28:38

I want to see trapped in the closet

Jay Ray: 00:28:40

DJ Sir Daniel: I see Shaniqua in the chat on IG.

Jay Ray: 00:28:42

Shaniqua and I were working at the, um, at HMV Record Store during the height of R.

Jay Ray: 00:28:47

Kelly's superpowers.

Jay Ray: 00:28:48

So we saw plenty of those CDs walking out of the store because he,

Jay Ray: 00:28:56

I don't know, he, I really believe whatever magic is associated with the

Jay Ray: 00:29:03

mythology of the, um, the Pied Piper.

Jay Ray: 00:29:07

Him him linking himself to that mythology of the Pied Piper was Was very smart on

Jay Ray: 00:29:14

his point on his part because he really did that there was just something and

Jay Ray: 00:29:19

this could be said about cult leaders You know, there was something that was

Jay Ray: 00:29:23

very Magnetic about him and the things that he was doing that people just ate up

Jay Ray: 00:29:31

I think I think okay.

Jay Ray: 00:29:32

So this is the perfect timing to talk about the pop music formula.

Jay Ray: 00:29:35

Yes, I think this is the perfect timing.

Jay Ray: 00:29:38

So I'm actually going to pull in there was a study that came out this year.

Jay Ray: 00:29:42

Hold on.

Jay Ray: 00:29:42

I'm gonna put the screen share back up.

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There was a study that came out this year.

Jay Ray: 00:29:46

This is not the study.

Jay Ray: 00:29:47

This is scientific scientific American did kind of a recap of it.

Jay Ray: 00:29:54

So I'm gonna read a couple of pieces of this 'cause I think it's really important.

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So, when comparing today's hit tunes with the top 40 of the past decades, strong

Jay Ray: 00:30:06

opinions are never in short supply.

Jay Ray: 00:30:07

Every generation seems to lament its successors, musical tastes, and

Jay Ray: 00:30:12

listening, listening habits, right?

Jay Ray: 00:30:13

We, we get into the habit of doing that.

Jay Ray: 00:30:16

What it's saying though is new research suggests.

Jay Ray: 00:30:21

Popular music has indeed undergone some measurable and significant shifts

Jay Ray: 00:30:27

over the past 50 years, with popular song lyrics becoming simpler, And more

Jay Ray: 00:30:34

repetitive, according to a study published on Thursday in Scientific Reports.

Jay Ray: 00:30:39

Here's a quick quote.

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There's more rhyming lines and also more chorus, says the study's senior author,

Jay Ray: 00:30:50

Eva Zangarelli, a computer scientist at Austria's University of Innsbruck.

Jay Ray: 00:30:56

We basically found that lyrics have gotten easier to comprehend.

Jay Ray: 00:31:00

This trend observed across five of the most popular English language music

Jay Ray: 00:31:03

genres, including rap rock R& B and country since 1970 hints at how shifts

Jay Ray: 00:31:10

in music listening habits Platforms and production may be shaping pop culture.

Jay Ray: 00:31:14

Here's why I wanted to mention this Because that's the thing that R.

Jay Ray: 00:31:18

Kelly figured out.

Jay Ray: 00:31:20

Yes,

Jay Ray: 00:31:20

DJ Sir Daniel: so Sir,

Jay Ray: 00:31:21

sir, Daniel and I before as we were kind of preparing for this show

Jay Ray: 00:31:27

Um Um pulled the lyrics to you are not alone, which I always thought was just

Jay Ray: 00:31:32

like a beautiful song and then i'm like Oh, this song only has like two

Jay Ray: 00:31:36

two verses like the song is all verse.

Jay Ray: 00:31:39

That's it It's like some lyrics, but the lyrics are real pedestrian.

Jay Ray: 00:31:44

Like there's like a verse.

Jay Ray: 00:31:46

Let me pull up.

Jay Ray: 00:31:47

I'm pulling it up.

Jay Ray: 00:31:48

Please do you are not alone.

Jay Ray: 00:31:50

We are going to read the lyrics to you are not alone together and you will understand

Jay Ray: 00:31:55

exactly what we're talking about here.

Jay Ray: 00:31:58

DJ Sir Daniel: Program directors all that what they're looking

Jay Ray: 00:32:02

for is there they they need what we're talking about that era.

Jay Ray: 00:32:06

What was attractive to a program director is whether the song was going to keep

Jay Ray: 00:32:10

people tuned into their radio station.

Jay Ray: 00:32:14

Um, for the amount of time that the song was on so that they could sell

Jay Ray: 00:32:18

you stuff after the song was played.

Jay Ray: 00:32:19

Yep, and then and then they will program it so it can be played

Jay Ray: 00:32:23

again long enough so you can stay.

Jay Ray: 00:32:26

And listen to, for the song to be played again so they can sell you more stuff.

Jay Ray: 00:32:30

That's why it's called programming.

Jay Ray: 00:32:32

And so the music had to fit into that in order for them to sell more stuff,

Jay Ray: 00:32:37

they had to have so short enough to play put in rotation so they can have more

Jay Ray: 00:32:43

commercials put in to sell you stuff.

Jay Ray: 00:32:46

And so, as we see here, go ahead with the, I'm going to

Jay Ray: 00:32:49

just, I want people to understand.

Jay Ray: 00:32:52

All right.

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So.

Jay Ray: 00:32:54

This is You Are Not Alone.

Jay Ray: 00:32:56

When you go through and you read the lyrics, I'm just

Jay Ray: 00:32:57

going to read the first verse.

Jay Ray: 00:32:59

Another day has gone.

Jay Ray: 00:33:01

I'm still all alone.

Jay Ray: 00:33:02

How could this be?

Jay Ray: 00:33:03

You are not here with me.

Jay Ray: 00:33:05

You never said goodbye.

Jay Ray: 00:33:07

Someone tell me why did you have to go and leave my world so cold?

Jay Ray: 00:33:12

And then, We go and we slip into the, the, the, the, uh, the chorus every day.

Jay Ray: 00:33:17

I sit and ask myself how they love sip away.

Jay Ray: 00:33:19

Something whispers in my ears and says, you are not alone.

Jay Ray: 00:33:22

And then we go through the, you're a lot alone, lone, lone.

Jay Ray: 00:33:24

Then we have.

Jay Ray: 00:33:25

A verse which makes sense.

Jay Ray: 00:33:27

We got a second verse.

Jay Ray: 00:33:28

Okay, cool So then we do a little bit of that.

Jay Ray: 00:33:31

All right, that's the second verse I'm not gonna read it all the way through Okay,

Jay Ray: 00:33:35

then we hop back into that chorus, right?

Jay Ray: 00:33:38

Then we're gonna give you a little A little bit we're gonna give you

Jay Ray: 00:33:41

like a vamp then we're gonna hop right back into that chorus, right?

Jay Ray: 00:33:44

And we just ride that course out for the rest of the song, right?

Jay Ray: 00:33:48

Now

Jay Ray: 00:33:48

DJ Sir Daniel: michael jackson do what michael jackson michael jackson

Jay Ray: 00:33:51

does right now This is not i'm not saying that this is unlike other

Jay Ray: 00:33:57

songs that other songs don't have similar structures That's not what i'm saying.

Jay Ray: 00:34:01

What i'm saying is r kelly very early figured out that I only

Jay Ray: 00:34:06

need to give them a little bit.

Jay Ray: 00:34:07

I need to give them a I don't need to overthink these

Jay Ray: 00:34:10

verses I need to make them.

Jay Ray: 00:34:12

I need to make them clear and concise Give them some hot vamps

Jay Ray: 00:34:17

and a great hook and a great chorus.

Jay Ray: 00:34:20

And we're going to ride that thing out four minutes.

Jay Ray: 00:34:24

DJ Sir Daniel: And less than that, and shout out to Shaniqua to, um, bringing

Jay Ray: 00:34:28

up Mariah Carey and her 5 words.

Jay Ray: 00:34:30

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:34:31

I love a good Mariah Carey, 5 word.

Jay Ray: 00:34:34

I love the fact that she could put, she could fit incessantly.

Jay Ray: 00:34:38

Into a song lyric, I'm all for it, but even Mariah Carey, you know, she,

Jay Ray: 00:34:43

she's going to give you a thoughtful lyric, but all artists after a while,

Jay Ray: 00:34:48

they figured out, Oh, we've got to, in order for our songs to make it.

Jay Ray: 00:34:53

To um, to airplay, we've gotta, we've gotta um, make it concise.

Jay Ray: 00:34:59

We've gotta dumb it down a little bit and even take out bridges.

Jay Ray: 00:35:04

And that's what a lot of people are complaining about now is that

Jay Ray: 00:35:06

songs don't have bridges anymore.

Jay Ray: 00:35:08

I want a bridge!

Jay Ray: 00:35:09

Listen, we need to campaign.

Jay Ray: 00:35:11

Queue Points has always been campaigning for the bridge.

Jay Ray: 00:35:14

Bring back the bridge.

Jay Ray: 00:35:15

We want to understand the song.

Jay Ray: 00:35:18

We need time to get into this thing.

Jay Ray: 00:35:20

So baby, I need you to bridge me and to tell me what we need to know.

Jay Ray: 00:35:25

DJ Sir Daniel: That's why here at Queue Points, we always speak Michelle

Jay Ray: 00:35:27

Williams, the black Michelle Williams.

Jay Ray: 00:35:29

We always speak her name because she is the queen of bridge.

Jay Ray: 00:35:34

You know, Beyonce

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was in the studio.

Jay Ray: 00:35:35

Michelle, Go in and do your thing.

Jay Ray: 00:35:37

Go and handle

Jay Ray: 00:35:38

DJ Sir Daniel: that.

Jay Ray: 00:35:38

Go and handle that for me.

Jay Ray: 00:35:40

Okay, but I do want to, the beauty, I'm so glad you mentioned Mariah.

Jay Ray: 00:35:45

We also, Laura Hill put the word reciprocity into a song.

Jay Ray: 00:35:49

DJ Sir Daniel: Reciprocity.

Jay Ray: 00:35:53

Stop it now.

Jay Ray: 00:35:54

Stop it.

Jay Ray: 00:35:55

I'm just I'm just

Jay Ray: 00:35:58

That's a five syllable word

Jay Ray: 00:36:02

DJ Sir Daniel: that you

Jay Ray: 00:36:02

have to

Jay Ray: 00:36:02

DJ Sir Daniel: sing real quick.

Jay Ray: 00:36:05

Jay Ray are we haven't chatted with our buddy in a long time, but Daryl.

Jay Ray: 00:36:11

Darryl is in the chat on Instagram.

Jay Ray: 00:36:13

We gotta shout out our friend Darryl.

Jay Ray: 00:36:15

We, we are praying for you out there on the West Coast.

Jay Ray: 00:36:18

I hope you're all good.

Jay Ray: 00:36:19

I saw you post earlier that you're good and I want to make sure that

Jay Ray: 00:36:22

you're still staying good out there.

Jay Ray: 00:36:24

And we, you know, we're thinking about you and the whole West and the

Jay Ray: 00:36:27

whole Los Angeles in this moment.

Jay Ray: 00:36:29

Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:36:30

So y'all and you know, it's so funny.

Jay Ray: 00:36:31

So Instagram is over here.

Jay Ray: 00:36:32

So I can't even read like what's happening I see y'all is popping

Jay Ray: 00:36:35

over on IG But yes, and I see it.

Jay Ray: 00:36:38

Everybody is like yo to the bridge bring bridges back We playing with these

Jay Ray: 00:36:42

people by not giving them a bridge so that we can really get into these songs.

Jay Ray: 00:36:47

Okay and so R.

Jay Ray: 00:36:50

Kelly back to R.

Jay Ray: 00:36:52

Kelly is Has R.

Jay Ray: 00:36:56

Kelly proven himself over the years to be Um, he's a good crafter of songs.

Jay Ray: 00:37:05

You know what I'm saying?

Jay Ray: 00:37:06

It's undeniable like you can't even undeny that we are not talking about

Jay Ray: 00:37:11

R Kelly the person and all that other stuff that we absolutely disagree with.

Jay Ray: 00:37:15

We have been very clear about where we stand on that stuff

Jay Ray: 00:37:18

with him as a songwriter.

Jay Ray: 00:37:19

We get it.

Jay Ray: 00:37:20

We get that.

Jay Ray: 00:37:21

Is he the greatest American songwriter ahead of a head of

Jay Ray: 00:37:25

like Smokey Robinson ahead of?

Jay Ray: 00:37:28

I.

Jay Ray: 00:37:29

There are so many I cut carol king a pair There are so many songwriters

Jay Ray: 00:37:35

DJ Sir Daniel: so many and I think Yes.

Jay Ray: 00:37:39

Okay.

Jay Ray: 00:37:39

So here's the thing.

Jay Ray: 00:37:40

We understand that people get on x or twitter And they talk greasy they

Jay Ray: 00:37:45

hot takes or call hot takes just for that Sometimes you just throw it

Jay Ray: 00:37:49

out there just to get people riled up and this and the that twitter

Jay Ray: 00:37:53

user did just that With his 3.

Jay Ray: 00:37:56

5 million views on this one tweet But I think, so here's a question.

Jay Ray: 00:38:02

If R.

Jay Ray: 00:38:03

Kelly never got into trouble or never, or his, um, antics never got brought into

Jay Ray: 00:38:09

the light, do you think in a few years, J.

Jay Ray: 00:38:13

Ray, that we could have possibly seen R.

Jay Ray: 00:38:15

Kelly inducted into like a Kennedy Honors as a, um, American songwriter,

Jay Ray: 00:38:21

like alongside the likes of Carole King and, you know, Aretha

Jay Ray: 00:38:26

Franklin and, and those people?

Jay Ray: 00:38:28

I, I don't actually, I don't, I don't, and not because I think he,

Jay Ray: 00:38:35

those spaces, I think you have to have more cachet in white world.

Jay Ray: 00:38:48

Not to say that white people didn't love R.

Jay Ray: 00:38:50

Kelly too, because white people definitely did.

Jay Ray: 00:38:52

You can't sell as many records as he did.

Jay Ray: 00:38:53

And I have white people loving you too.

Jay Ray: 00:38:55

But I do think Our Kelly was much more of a black famous star and he

Jay Ray: 00:39:02

would have gotten whatever accolades in black culture that we would have

Jay Ray: 00:39:07

given him at the highest level.

Jay Ray: 00:39:08

Our Kelly would have definitely gotten those awards.

Jay Ray: 00:39:12

I don't think you can write the lyrics that are make the

Jay Ray: 00:39:15

songs that are Kelly made.

Jay Ray: 00:39:17

I don't think you can make like an ignition and get like a Kennedy honor.

Jay Ray: 00:39:24

DJ Sir Daniel: This is not going to happen, right?

Jay Ray: 00:39:28

Yeah, I mean,

Jay Ray: 00:39:28

correct me if I'm wrong, y'all.

Jay Ray: 00:39:30

Let me know in the chat, like IG.

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I mean, can.

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Can you, can you

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DJ Sir Daniel: do your, yes, you all there in the IG chat, all, all of the chats.

Jay Ray: 00:39:39

Can you see R.

Jay Ray: 00:39:40

Kelly if he hadn't, if all of that stuff had not come into the, into the light.

Jay Ray: 00:39:45

Could R.

Jay Ray: 00:39:45

Kelly have been inducted into like the Kennedy honors as a American of the great,

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one of the greatest American songwriters.

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Now to your point, Jay Ray, I do think he was knocking on becoming white

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people famous when he did, when he made a duet with That duet with, um, Lady

Jay Ray: 00:40:03

Gaga, Lady Gaga, and I'm going to tell you, I thoroughly enjoyed that song.

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What was it?

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Do what you want to my body.

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Do what you want with my body.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Which in retrospect, you know.

Jay Ray: 00:40:18

It's a

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whole mess.

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DJ Sir Daniel: It's a whole mess.

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But I, listen.

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That thing I used to that I used to bump that that R.

Jay Ray: 00:40:26

Kelly and Lady Gaga something serious I even made my own my own mashup.

Jay Ray: 00:40:30

Did you?

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did.

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I

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want to hear your mashup of do what you want

Jay Ray: 00:40:36

DJ Sir Daniel: Is do what you want the the acapella?

Jay Ray: 00:40:38

Well, I made I did filtered out my own acapella and um And partnered it

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with the, the yin yang twins whisper.

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That is an appropriate combination.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Oh, yes, absolutely.

Jay Ray: 00:40:52

So check this.

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Look at the, look at the chat.

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Let's talk about what the people are saying.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No.

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So the people are like, nah, son.

Jay Ray: 00:41:05

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, it looks like a big, a big fat.

Jay Ray: 00:41:07

No.

Jay Ray: 00:41:07

So I don't know.

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Maybe it's just the people that watch that watch and listen to this podcast.

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So they're just like, not going to happen.

Jay Ray: 00:41:16

Or there are, but there's a segment.

Jay Ray: 00:41:19

We cannot ignore that segment of the community that is not letting go.

Jay Ray: 00:41:27

Of R Kelly.

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It's like that picture of black Jesus and JFK in every black home

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in the sixties and seventies.

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Some black people just aren't going to let it go.

Jay Ray: 00:41:38

They are not going to let, let go of that picture of Martin Jay,

Jay Ray: 00:41:42

JFK and black Jesus in their home.

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They're just not going to let it go.

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Despite everything that has come to light.

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I think we are far enough removed from.

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R.

Jay Ray: 00:42:02

Kelly's imprisonment.

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That folks.

Jay Ray: 00:42:09

I think these are all personal decisions.

Jay Ray: 00:42:12

You know what?

Jay Ray: 00:42:13

This is a personal decisions.

Jay Ray: 00:42:14

Jay Ray has long decided to not be an R Kelly fan.

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So I don't got I don't got nothing.

Jay Ray: 00:42:23

I'm always weird.

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When an R Kelly song that was the R Kelly and Jay Fiesta came on and on the

Jay Ray: 00:42:28

radio the other day and I'm like, oh, we're playing songs with R Kelly in it.

Jay Ray: 00:42:33

Now, is that what we're doing?

Jay Ray: 00:42:35

I don't like it.

Jay Ray: 00:42:37

DJ Sir Daniel: And I think, you know, I'm one of those DJs where

Jay Ray: 00:42:41

I'm not, I'm just going to be controversial to be controversial.

Jay Ray: 00:42:45

I am going to put on this R Kelly song and I dare one of y'all

Jay Ray: 00:42:49

to come say something to me.

Jay Ray: 00:42:50

That's not that that's not my bag.

Jay Ray: 00:42:52

I there's plenty of music around that.

Jay Ray: 00:42:54

I can play old and new.

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in a set.

Jay Ray: 00:42:58

I don't have to make that a part of my repertoire.

Jay Ray: 00:43:01

Why?

Jay Ray: 00:43:02

Because it just has an ick factor to it to me.

Jay Ray: 00:43:07

You said something earlier that I think is really important.

Jay Ray: 00:43:12

People have to decide what hills they want to like make their thing.

Jay Ray: 00:43:17

This R.

Jay Ray: 00:43:18

Kelly thing is not worth it to me.

Jay Ray: 00:43:19

First of all, The despicable things that that man has done.

Jay Ray: 00:43:25

I don't even want that type of energy, even though I don't know.

Jay Ray: 00:43:29

No R Kelly.

Jay Ray: 00:43:29

I never met.

Jay Ray: 00:43:30

No R Kelly.

Jay Ray: 00:43:31

I don't want that kind of energy.

Jay Ray: 00:43:33

Nowhere near me, even though it's just coming through the speaker.

Jay Ray: 00:43:35

I don't want none of it.

Jay Ray: 00:43:37

I don't want none of it near me.

Jay Ray: 00:43:39

And so I do think.

Jay Ray: 00:43:42

That people get to make choices about we decided to have this

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conversation because we were very confused about somebody saying that R.

Jay Ray: 00:43:53

Kelly was the greatest American songwriter.

Jay Ray: 00:43:55

I mean ever ever that's wild.

Jay Ray: 00:43:58

That is a wild statement to make.

Jay Ray: 00:44:01

That's the reason why we wanted to have this discussion.

Jay Ray: 00:44:05

I if it was not this conversation, if we do, if we did not see that tweet, we

Jay Ray: 00:44:11

probably wouldn't be talking about R.

Jay Ray: 00:44:13

Kelly.

Jay Ray: 00:44:13

DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah, so Nick, Nick fresh, just use the, uh, a quote on

Jay Ray: 00:44:19

the timeline saying called, um, the people that are keeping like R Kelly

Jay Ray: 00:44:23

alive, like, is there still their theme?

Jay Ray: 00:44:26

Theme music are like the hotel uncles and he's, and this is a segment of, of

Jay Ray: 00:44:32

black men that specifically feel like R.

Jay Ray: 00:44:35

Kelly is a victim of a system trying to take him out systematically

Jay Ray: 00:44:41

because he is a black man and R.

Jay Ray: 00:44:45

Kelly was about to buy Jive Records

Jay Ray: 00:44:48

and

Jay Ray: 00:44:51

DJ Sir Daniel: he wasn't, well, he, but he, he's, he was, he, he's a victim

Jay Ray: 00:44:57

of systematic racism, which is not.

Jay Ray: 00:45:00

Which is not far.

Jay Ray: 00:45:01

He's a victim of a very bad educational system.

Jay Ray: 00:45:05

He's a victim of a lot of child abuse,

Jay Ray: 00:45:08

child abuse and assault and all

Jay Ray: 00:45:10

DJ Sir Daniel: of those things.

Jay Ray: 00:45:11

That man has been victimized throughout his whole life.

Jay Ray: 00:45:13

And what and what do victims do?

Jay Ray: 00:45:15

They tend to victimize other people.

Jay Ray: 00:45:18

That's not always in R.

Jay Ray: 00:45:20

Kelly's case.

Jay Ray: 00:45:21

This is what happened.

Jay Ray: 00:45:22

You're absolutely right.

Jay Ray: 00:45:24

Now, trying to Put him up on nail him to a cross and make him

Jay Ray: 00:45:29

and make him the savior of R& B.

Jay Ray: 00:45:34

You know, again, like Jay Ray said, if that's the hill you want to die

Jay Ray: 00:45:39

on, if that's the, if that's the, the, the road to Calvary for you,

Jay Ray: 00:45:45

that's what you want to carry on your back by all means do that.

Jay Ray: 00:45:49

But I, but back to the topic, back to the topic, I

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want to share something.

Jay Ray: 00:45:55

This is the man That y'all want to raise up.

Jay Ray: 00:46:00

This is him.

Jay Ray: 00:46:00

Here's what he said.

Jay Ray: 00:46:02

Here's what he said.

Jay Ray: 00:46:08

You remind me of my Jeep.

Jay Ray: 00:46:09

I want to ride it.

Jay Ray: 00:46:11

Something like my sound.

Jay Ray: 00:46:13

I want to pump it girl.

Jay Ray: 00:46:15

You look just like my cars.

Jay Ray: 00:46:18

I want to wax it.

Jay Ray: 00:46:20

What?

Jay Ray: 00:46:21

And something like my bank accounts.

Jay Ray: 00:46:23

I want to spend it.

Jay Ray: 00:46:24

And he repeated it.

Jay Ray: 00:46:27

Okay.

Jay Ray: 00:46:28

This, this is not worth it.

Jay Ray: 00:46:36

It's not worth it.

Jay Ray: 00:46:37

I don't

Jay Ray: 00:46:37

DJ Sir Daniel: know.

Jay Ray: 00:46:37

I don't know.

Jay Ray: 00:46:39

I don't think this is, but I don't think this is an episode where we're

Jay Ray: 00:46:44

definitively trying to say that R Kelly can't be the greatest American

Jay Ray: 00:46:50

songwriter because clearly there's a lot of people who still ride for him.

Jay Ray: 00:46:55

I'm saying that , but what we're saying over here, as for me and my house, as

Jay Ray: 00:47:01

for me about house, it's not flying.

Jay Ray: 00:47:04

No, that's the bull.

Jay Ray: 00:47:05

That's cap.

Jay Ray: 00:47:06

And that kids, what

Jay Ray: 00:47:07

they say, that's cat.

Jay Ray: 00:47:08

That's the young people

Jay Ray: 00:47:08

DJ Sir Daniel: say it's cap.

Jay Ray: 00:47:09

That's not, that's cap.

Jay Ray: 00:47:11

It's a skull.

Jay Ray: 00:47:12

Scully.

Jay Ray: 00:47:13

It's a hoodie.

Jay Ray: 00:47:13

It's all of the things.

Jay Ray: 00:47:14

It's not the truth over here, . So I don't know.

Jay Ray: 00:47:19

Try again.

Jay Ray: 00:47:21

Try

Jay Ray: 00:47:22

again.

Jay Ray: 00:47:23

DJ Sir Daniel: I mean, you got, Oh, no, I don't.

Jay Ray: 00:47:25

I almost brought up another name, but I don't want to go off into that tangent

Jay Ray: 00:47:29

because he's definitely a son of R Kelly.

Jay Ray: 00:47:33

And I'm not going to, I'm not going to bring that up.

Jay Ray: 00:47:36

Do we

Jay Ray: 00:47:37

want, who?

Jay Ray: 00:47:37

Who?

Jay Ray: 00:47:45

DJ Sir Daniel: Maybe this should be like a, a paper.

Jay Ray: 00:47:48

Should this be a Patriot conversation?

Jay Ray: 00:47:51

I don't know what I'm now.

Jay Ray: 00:47:53

Oh, I mean, we could do that.

Jay Ray: 00:47:54

Y'all want to come and hang out with us again.

Jay Ray: 00:47:56

Well, apparently we got to have another conversation.

Jay Ray: 00:47:58

I don't even know who's there.

Jay Ray: 00:47:58

Daniel's about to mention.

Jay Ray: 00:48:00

I do not know this

Jay Ray: 00:48:00

DJ Sir Daniel: person was on the verge of being in trouble

Jay Ray: 00:48:02

also, but that quietly went away.

Jay Ray: 00:48:06

That's all I'm going to say.

Jay Ray: 00:48:07

Okay.

Jay Ray: 00:48:08

DJ Sir Daniel: That accusation came and went and went quietly away.

Jay Ray: 00:48:13

Okay.

Jay Ray: 00:48:14

Okay.

Jay Ray: 00:48:15

These are, these are things more to come.

Jay Ray: 00:48:18

So here's what y'all need to do.

Jay Ray: 00:48:20

Here's what y'all need to do to stay up.

Jay Ray: 00:48:21

You see what just happened?

Jay Ray: 00:48:23

There's like a cliffhanger.

Jay Ray: 00:48:24

So Please y'all.

Jay Ray: 00:48:28

Thank y'all so much For I see the chat It is going crazy on ig and I love it Y'all

Jay Ray: 00:48:39

thank y'all so much for rocking with us.

Jay Ray: 00:48:43

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Jay Ray: 00:48:44

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Jay Ray: 00:48:48

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Jay Ray: 00:48:53

We got to post it on our IG.

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We got to

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Thank you so much, James, for that.

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Jay Ray: 00:49:14

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Jay Ray: 00:49:23

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Jay Ray: 00:49:26

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And Jay Ray, what do I say at the end of every episode?

Jay Ray: 00:49:49

My, my eyes.

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And let me stop this life.

Jay Ray: 00:49:53

You have a choice.

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You can either pick up the needle or you can let the record play.

Jay Ray: 00:49:58

I'm DJ Sir Daniel.

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My name is Jay Ray, y'all.

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And this is Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history.

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We will see you all in the next go round.