If you’ve ever felt like your content disappears faster than your kid’s snack stash, you’re not wrong. Instagram is amazing for connection (and I’ll always love it for that), but when it comes to longevity? It’s like building a sandcastle at high tide. Pretty… but gone in hours.
That’s exactly why I brought on Elaine Timms, Pinterest strategist and creator of the Evergreen Impact Method. Elaine knows how to take one piece of content and turn it into traffic that compounds for months… even years. Yes, years. While you’re busy doing school drop-off, squeezing in a client call, or finally finishing your coffee before it goes cold, your content could actually still be working for you.
In this episode, we’re digging into:
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If you’re ready to stop creating content that disappears in a day, start here.
Your content deserves more than a day of visibility. And you deserve a marketing plan that fits real life.
If you're not new around here, you know that I have been shifting the
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:way I teach content strategy because
, while I love Instagram and it's really
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:great for connection, it's never
meant to give you content longevity.
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:And that is exactly why I invited Elaine
Tims onto Mompreneur Mastery today.
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:Elaine is a Pinterest strategist and
creator of the Evergreen Impact Method.
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:She helps woman led businesses turn
one piece of content into traffic that
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:compounds over months or even years, so
you're not stuck on the hamster wheel
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:of posting for 24 hours of visibility.
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:I am really excited for you to
learn from her in this episode.
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:before we talk about the evergreen
impact method, can you tell us a bit
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:about how you got started in this work?
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:Elaine Timms: Yes, actually I started to
dabble online in:
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:like the bro marketers because they seemed
to really dominate the space at the time.
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:Quickly realized I didn't like
to follow them, so I started
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:paying attention to other people.
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:In the meantime, I had also started a
mom blog because once I became a mother,
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:that seemed like a logical choice.
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:And I learned everything that I
could about Pinterest from a lot
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:of different bloggers and just
people at the time grew its traffic.
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:My blog I'm talking about, I grew its
traffic to over a hundred thousand
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:sessions and then I realized how much I
liked the strategy and I loved helping
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:people and the excitement that they
saw when they had traffic buildings.
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:So I sold my blog and I went all in
on my Pinterest marketing business.
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:Sydney: That's amazing.
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:I'm not gonna lie, I am an Instagram
person because for like personal reasons
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:when I was struggling postpartum, I found
like a lot of great connection there.
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:So I love it that way.
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:But I am always so intrigued by Pinterest
strategy for like marketing purposes.
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:So part of the reason I
wanted to have you on was.
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:Generally just to like pick your brain as
well as like, of course help my audience,
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:but I personally have so many questions.
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:was there a moment when it
like clicked for you that
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:Pinterest wasn't just helpful?
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:It was like a really great like
visibility tool for business.
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:Elaine Timms: Yeah, it didn't take
long because everybody was kind of sold
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:this idea that social media marketing
was an entire marketing plan, and I
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:was like sitting over there going, but
no, but wait, what about Pinterest?
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:And it's often overlooked, but
it didn't take long to also see
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:that people were burning out.
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:There was no shelf life to the content
and it was just a content creation,
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:like hamster wheel all of the time.
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:So I was like, wait a minute,
Pinterest totally fits to give you a
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:shelf life and to avoid that burnout.
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:So that's kind of where I was even
more passionate about the work
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:that I do, and especially when it
comes to moms and women that this
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:was actually sustainable for them.
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:Sydney: How long would you
say a shelf life of a pin is
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:Elaine Timms: you know, it could
be anywhere between a couple of
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:months into a couple of years.
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:I own another niche website and
its traffic, its main piece of
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:traffic comes from a handful
of pins that I pinned in:
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:I do go in and make sure to update that
content, but that's how long you're
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:looking at now, of course, you know that.
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:You know those pins can die off,
but you're getting like a few
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:months as opposed to a few hours.
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:Sydney: Right.
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:Yeah, I think I mean for me,
because Instagram is like what I
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:do, I can get like a couple weeks
or a couple months if it's like a
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:pinned post, but it's definitely
not as evergreen as Pinterest is.
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:So yeah, I'm always fascinated by that
aspect, especially as like a busy mom
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:who has very little time for things.
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:To start growing like
a Pinterest following.
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:Is there like a set number
of pins you should be like
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:posting a week or month, or.
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:Elaine Timms: Right.
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:So right there you're not actually
there to build a following.
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:That can come naturally and it
will, you will gain followers,
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:but that's not actually the goal.
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:What you're building is a
content library that compounds
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:in performance over time, so.
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:Great news is you don't need to
worry about followers because
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:you can actually get traction.
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:And it just, you can simply start
by pinning one optimized pin.
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:So optimized meaning using keywords
one pin a day and building your way up.
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:There is no magic number but I highly
recommend that one pin a day saved
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:to your relevant boards, and then
just using your Pinterest SEO is more
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:relevant to how many pins per day.
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:Sydney: Okay.
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:That's good to know.
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:And I love that I talk about
that for Instagram as well.
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:Like there's no special
number of followers.
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:You just have to have
like the quality content
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:Elaine Timms: E, everybody
wants that number.
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:It's something I answer all the time, like
I'm not surprised to answer it again, but
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:it's just, it truly, it does not matter.
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:You can get lots of
traction with one pin a day.
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:Sydney: Nice.
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:Good to know.
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:And how like.
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:deer pins have to be, or
is it more SEO focused?
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:Elaine Timms: It's
definitely more SEO focused.
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:You of course want them to look good.
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:You know, but, you know, beauty's
in the eye of the beholder.
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:'cause I have seen some really
ugly pins perform well on
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:Pinterest for a really long time.
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:So who knows?
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:So what does that tell us?
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:That yes, aesthetics are
important, but you're right.
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:Keywords are even more important.
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:So if you're answering what that
person is searching for and you've
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:got your like search intent down,
you're gonna get those clicks
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:Sydney: Good to know.
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:What is one thing people keep doing
for visibility that just isn't
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:worth their time or energy, do you
think, when it comes to Pinterest?
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:Elaine Timms: Worrying about followers
just kind of spamming the platform
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:with their Instagram content without
giving Pinterest any sort of context.
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:Again, going back to those keywords.
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:That's a huge mistake
repurposing their reels.
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:It's a completely different audience
like Pinterest, people are cold to you.
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:They're open to meeting you, but they
definitely don't know who you are.
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:So those entertaining, more nurturing
reels are not going to perform to the
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:degree that most people think they should.
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:Sydney: Okay.
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:That's good to know.
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:Yeah.
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:'cause I've seen just from like following
random people on Instagram there, we'll
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:talk about how much traction they get just
from sending their, like, or linking their
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:Instagram to their Pinterest account.
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:I'm like, I don't know if
it would work the same, but.
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:Elaine Timms: There is some advice out
there, some people that will tell you that
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:that's a way to diversify your length.
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:And I'm not saying not
to test it for yourself.
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:Of course I'm always game for that.
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:But you know, in my experience and over
my client accounts, the pins that link
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:to Instagram don't get as much reach
as, say, linking to your own online
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:real estate, which is more important
in my world than anything else.
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:Sydney: Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
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:Do you think, because I like, again,
I focus on Instagram strategy.
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:Is there a way to repurpose
Instagram content to Pinterest
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:Elaine Timms: Right.
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:So, you know, Pinterest
has these carousel pins.
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:I'm still testing those, so I don't have
a complete amount of knowledge about
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:them, but it's great for repurposing
your carousels, just giving more context
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:in the pin description, and then making
sure that that carousel pin linked to
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:something that gives even more contact.
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:Because you're not there to entertain.
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:You're there to like, educate,
inspire, help somebody, plan
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:a moment, something like that.
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:So they need more pieces to the story than
maybe you're giving away on Instagram.
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:Sydney: That makes sense.
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:Now when you mentioned links to
somewhere, would that just be
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:people linking to like long form
content like blogs and podcasts or?
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:Elaine Timms: Yeah.
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:Sydney: Or could it be
specific sales pages?
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:Elaine Timms: Yeah, you
can link to all of those.
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:So you've got lead pages, sales pages,
landing pages, lead magnet pages,
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:blogs podcasts turned into blogs.
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:You can absolutely create
pins for all of those links.
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:The, the idea of, you know, like my
own strategy is to always be linking
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:to something that you own, that you
can control that doesn't go anywhere.
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:So ultimately, all roads leading into
your business ecosystem and email.
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:List would be ideal.
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:Sydney: Right.
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:And then I assume that would
help with like more backlinks
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:to your website as well.
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:Elaine Timms: Yeah.
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:And so yeah, if you're ranking pins
on Pinterest, you're also able to get
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:found on Google because your Pinterest
pins can get ranked on there as well.
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:So just, yeah, all around
helping you get found.
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:Sydney: Pinterest often gets
grouped in with social media.
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:Do you view it as or more like
a visual search type of thing?
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:Because that's what I
always kind of assume it is.
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:Elaine Timms: Absolutely it
is a visual search engine.
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:This doesn't mean that they haven't had
some identity crisis over the last several
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:years and trying to keep up with, you
know, short form video content platforms.
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:But at the end of the day, what drives
Pinterest is the SEO portion and just
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:the people that want to learn something
and plan something offline kind of stuff.
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:Sydney: For sure.
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:And now I've heard you say before
that your content isn't broken,
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:it's just not circulating.
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:Can you explain what that
means and why it matters?
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:Elaine Timms: So what that means
is I find a lot of people create
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:like even a long form blog post.
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:They'll pin it once, or they'll
post about it on social media
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:once, and then that's it.
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:Like they don't even realize that you
can keep that content working for you.
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:So in terms of a Pinterest strategy,
that's creating multiple pins
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:for the same piece of content,
but perhaps that piece of content
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:covers off several different topics.
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:So it's making sure to target those
different angles and keep the pins
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:circulating so that content now is
working harder for you as to opposed
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:you thinking you have to create a
new piece of content all the time.
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:You could actually take that piece of
content, see that it's getting good
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:traction, create another like long
form blog posts of a tiny section
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:from it, and now you have double
the content circulating for you.
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:Sydney: I love that so much as a
very busy person who has very little
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:time to do things like repurposing
content and is my absolute favorite.
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:Elaine Timms: would love, like
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:Sydney: to know.
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:Elaine Timms: I'd love for
people to flip the script and.
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:Like completely creating for socials,
like create that long form and then
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:take that and go, what are those
tiny little snippets that people
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:would really enjoy on socials?
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:And then take it from there.
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:Like you do all the hard work first, but
it's now sitting out there and then create
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:like, I just think it would create so much
ease in people's lives, especially moms.
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:Sydney: Mm-hmm.
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:I love that.
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:That answered my next
question too, so that's good.
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:Yeah, you walk us through
your Evergreen impact method?
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:Elaine Timms: Yes, so that is my
Pinterest powered visibility system.
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:I only have just started to piece
it together without realizing
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:I was doing this behind the
scenes for clients all the time.
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:So the first thing is what
I call the content core.
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:So that's like identifying and
organizing your long form content
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:with however that is created for you.
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:So creating.
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:Also a content hub.
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:I like to grab all of the links,
put them into a content hub.
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:That, from there I actually categorize it
by content category, stage of the funnel.
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:So basically it's your organization piece.
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:What do we have to work with, right?
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:So then from there we're gonna
do the platform positioning.
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:So what does that mean?
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:How are we gonna position
you on Pinterest?
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:What keywords are we going to target?
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:What interests are we targeting?
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:It's creating up boards and you
know, creating a keyword bank.
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:Just so that you're telling Pinterest,
Hey, this is what my business is about.
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:This is what my content is about.
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:So you're positioning yourself.
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:So Pinterest understands that.
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:And then again, it's that evergreen
circulation piece that we just
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:spoke about is it's a long.
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:Game platform, right?
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:So Pinterest needs continual pins in
order to really start to understand
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:what the content piece is about and also
to keep your content in circulation.
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:So this is the area where we
create multiple pins per content
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:and we are actually, you know,
targeting different angles.
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:You know, like, I'll give you a little
small example because this might fly
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:over some people's heads, but a gardening
client, for example, and if they have
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:like a small backyard gardening layout,
but that could also be like a tiny
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:backyard, that could be a balcony, right?
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:That could just be any small space.
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:And so that is where you're just
getting your pins circulating for
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:all of these different search terms.
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:And then from there, we wanna make
sure, of course, that we're reaping
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:some of what we're sewing, right?
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:So you wanna make sure to have pins
that are mapped out to your funnel.
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:So for example, going back to the
gardening, if I have, you know, small
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:backyard garden, vegetable garden layout.
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:I have a couple of different options, but
then I have an email opt-in that says,
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:you know, here's your garden layouts for
a small backyard in each growing zone.
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:Well, now all of a sudden that
person's like, oh, okay, great.
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:Like, I definitely need
to know that information.
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:Boom, they sign up.
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:Right?
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:So that's just like making sure
to map out how can we get these
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:people into your ecosystem.
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:And then from there you're doing
what I call the insight loop.
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:So you wanna make sure what
you're doing is working.
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:So this is tracking the
performance of pins and boards.
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:It's identifying what's working and
using the data that you see in your
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:actual PIN strategy moving forward.
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:So that can be like making sure that
seasonal pins actually perform at
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:Did it work?
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:Did it not work?
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:What's always in your top 20 pins?
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:What's another angle that we can
use to get even more traffic?
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:And so I'll cover off like the
most important things to look at
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:during metrics are during metrics.
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:The most important Pinterest metrics to
track are impressions, saves, engagements,
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:and of course outbound click that
will tell you a full picture of what's
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:from there, it's, you know,
rinse and repeat, add in the new
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:content just to expand your, your
circulation and, and your gold.
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:Sydney: Awesome.
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:I love having like a general framework
for things that makes it feel so much
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:more doable and less overwhelming.
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:I definitely feel you.
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:I somewhat recently kind of came
up with my five steps to sales
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:on like Instagram framework after
doing it for literal years with
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:Elaine Timms: I.
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:Sydney: clients and like
teaching other people.
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story where Pinterest became like
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:a huge visibility engine for them?
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:Elaine Timms: I actually have like
multiple clients right now where
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:But I'll tell you about a client
where I was like a little bit
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:I was like, wow, I don't
know about this niche.
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:It was actually in the red light therapy.
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:Which I knew there were searches on
Pinterest, but just to see the amount
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:of traction they got on Pinterest was
just like, whoa, like mind blowing.
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:So that's like actually one of
my favorite stories to tell,
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:because I often get asked, well,
you know, like Pinterest is just.
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:For like recipes or you know, like
DIY stuff, but it's, it's truly not.
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day, anybody that's listening needs
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:to go and check to see what's being
searched within their niche, because
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:Sydney: Yeah.
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:Definitely.
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:And what kind of results can people
like realistically expect and how
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:long does it take to see traction?
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:I know it's like a very
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:Elaine Timms: Yeah.
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:Sydney: kind of thing, but
is there like a general
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:Elaine Timms: So generally speaking,
when I'm talking to clients and
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:they're interested and they're just
trying to determine whether or not
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:to come on is that growth truly
happens at six to nine months.
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:Now, you will start to
see growth, but it's.
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:The growth that you're looking
for, where you're getting a
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:pretty good amount of clicks.
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:Pinterest really understands
what your account is about and
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:is trusting your content and your
website and really pushing it out.
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:So six to nine months, but
honestly it can take up to a year.
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:But I don't want that to scare
anybody because Pinterest is more
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:of like an investment, right?
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:So over time, you're gonna compound.
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:But again, after like three months,
you're gonna start seeing the green,
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:you're seeing the bars all going up.
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:But yeah, you gotta be in it for at least,
please give it like six to nine months.
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:Sydney: Yeah, but it definitely
seems like the payoff is there if
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:Knowing how evergreen those pins are,
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:Elaine Timms: Right.
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:'cause if you gotta think of it,
like you don't need to be camera
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:ready, you don't need to dance, you
don't need to do any of those things.
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:You have something that, like you
went and took a week's vacation
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:with your family and you wanna
enjoy the beach with your kids.
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:Right, and I know you can post on social
media too by scheduling it, but it's
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:just nice to know that it's just always
working whether you're there or not.
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:Sydney: Yeah, and like
working for longer periods of
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:Elaine Timms: Exactly.
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:Sydney: That's, yeah.
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:Elaine Timms: Yeah.
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:Sydney: Right, and you've built
a business that works around your
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:life, not the other way around.
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:What has been like the most
rewarding part of that?
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:Elaine Timms: The most rewarding part is
literally being able to design my days as
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:I want which was the goal from the onset.
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:Like I was never a person
that wanted my kids to go to
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:daycare and do all those things.
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:I wanted to be a present mom, so the
ability to, yeah, just grow it the way
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:I've never worried about scaling and going
in on all of the strategies right off.
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:The business has really allowed me
just to grow the way that I want
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:and be present in my actual life.
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:And then as my kids get older,
it's going to be interesting enough
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:and keep me going so that I can
grow it into whatever I want.
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:Sydney: Yeah, definitely.
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:I the exact same way.
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:Elaine Timms: So they are eight
and five and it's just, yeah, I
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assembly and one of them got an award
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the school year, I can take, you know,
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:Just that flexibility and freedom, like
you can't, I don't know if there's enough
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:money in the world to replace that.
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:Sydney: Yeah, for sure.
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:I love that.
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:My kids are almost five six and eight, so
like very similar and being able to like
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doctor's appointments and
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:Sydney: truly amazing.
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:My husband is also in the
military, so we move a lot.
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:Elaine Timms: Yeah.
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:Sydney: to like stay home when we
first move and get everyone like
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:acclimated and all of that is important.
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:Elaine Timms: It's so nice, right?
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:Like, and thank goodness we have that
as an option in, in this day and age to.
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:I remember, we kind of
had that when I was a kid.
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:My mom worked like at a school, so
she had like summers off and stuff,
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:Elaine Timms: Right.
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:Sydney: it was still a little
different being able to like completely
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:create your own schedule and be
home and it's just 10 outta 10.
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:Elaine Timms: after we record this
podcast, I'm gonna go for a run.
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:Like what?
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:You know what I mean?
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:I couldn't do that in a nine to five.
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:And I quickly learned about myself while
I was in corporate before making the
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:transition that I just knew I couldn't
do this for the rest of my life.
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:Like, I can't have a boss, a schedule,
and you can only take this amount
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:So that doesn't work.
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:Sydney: Yeah, definitely not for everyone,
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:Elaine Timms: No.
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:Sydney: for sure.
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:Now for the mom listening, who knows,
Pinterest could help but keeps putting
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:Elaine Timms: I would say go on Pinterest
because you're likely putting it up 'cause
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:You don't think probably that
your business belongs on there.
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:If I had to bet money
on it, it would be that.
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:So I would invite them to
go on and do some searches.
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:See what people are searching around
and then get excited about it.
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:Go over to my website and
grab my free strategy guide.
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:It will give you an overview how
everything works and the important
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:things to get in place, and
it's a great way to get started.
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:Sydney: Perfect.
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:I was gonna ask about that next,
so I will definitely have the link.
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:In the show notes for everyone to grab it.
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:And then can you just let us know
what your website is as well?
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:Elaine Timms: Sure I can
be found@elainetims.com
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:and from there you can check out.
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:I've got services, I just do DIY.
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:Services done for you
services at this point.
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:We'll see in the future if
I'll offer more but that's, you
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:can grab the strategy guide.
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:That will also mean that you're
joining my Evergreen Impact newsletter,
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:where I share all of my bits and bobs
and interesting pieces weekly ish,
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:and that's where you can find me.
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:I am definitely excited to check that out.
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:Thank you so much for taking the time
to chat with me about Pinterest today.
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:Elaine Timms: Thank you for having me.